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Posted: 4/20/2016 1:52:46 AM EDT
http://dailycaller.com/2016/04/19/intel-lays-off-12000-people-after-lobbying-for-more-foreign-workers/


I don't mind the lay offs. Its part of the business cycle. But lobbying for foreign workers and laying off American workers is just wrong.
Link Posted: 4/20/2016 1:59:41 AM EDT
All those liberal faggots in Rio Rancho can suck it.
Link Posted: 4/20/2016 2:13:41 AM EDT
Gonna need more details about the layoffs before getting all pissed off.
Link Posted: 4/20/2016 3:08:59 AM EDT
Follow global economics much?
Link Posted: 4/20/2016 3:46:52 AM EDT
Well is like my job, I knew when they gave us raises they'd just take it back by hiring less people and stil bitching about work being slow.

It's the nature of management. Only when Americans start waking up and doing French Revolution type stuff will corporate get the idea to lay off. But it is what is...
Link Posted: 4/20/2016 3:49:20 AM EDT
So what percentage of that 10% of GLOBAL workforce the article mentions are US-based  workers
Link Posted: 4/20/2016 8:09:12 AM EDT
Why do you hate capitalism.. And freedom. Their business their rules...that is the union hating ARF com way.
Link Posted: 4/20/2016 8:11:19 AM EDT
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Look its alot cheaper to import slave labor here , than to move shit overseas.

You goddamned filthy greedy motherfuckers just dont understand.

If you pay more than a dollar a day , you cant stay in business.
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Its not capitalism to buy off the government to allow you to bring in more H1B visas. And Intel is non union.
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Link Posted: 4/20/2016 9:13:03 AM EDT
Any question about the rise of fascism?

Guess who pushes for changes in laws so as to benefit financially?
Link Posted: 4/20/2016 9:14:56 AM EDT
Oh well Im a gov worker working on my two pensions. No fucks given.
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Kicking perfectly good American workers to the curb while crying they need more cheap foreign H-1B chattel

There must be a secret contest to see which company has the most.
Link Posted: 4/20/2016 9:25:23 AM EDT
Sweet, more people on welfare and unemployment!

Why do you hate free trade!??!?!
Link Posted: 4/20/2016 10:11:38 AM EDT
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So, don't buy any of their products "just to show them"...........
Link Posted: 4/20/2016 10:21:04 AM EDT

The chip-making giant said the mass firings are part of a "restructuring initiative” that will further its shift away from the PC business toward smart devices and cloud-based computing.




But the firings stand out in light of Intel’s lobbying to expand the H-1B visa program. In 2013, the company’s government affairs managers complained that Intel simply can’t find enough homegrown workers in technical fields to meet its needs. And in 2014, the company called for allowing the spouses and children of H-1B recipients to automatically qualify for work in the U.S. as well.




I had to stop reading, someone should tell these people that there's a difference between getting fired and getting laid off.
Link Posted: 4/20/2016 10:21:49 AM EDT
Yes we can.
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So, don't buy any of their products "just to show them"...........
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I don't mind the lay offs. Its part of the business cycle. But lobbying for foreign workers and laying off American workers is just wrong.


So, don't buy any of their products "just to show them"...........



Well I work there so......
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The chip-making giant said the mass firings are part of a "restructuring initiative” that will further its shift away from the PC business toward smart devices and cloud-based computing.


But the firings stand out in light of Intel’s lobbying to expand the H-1B visa program. In 2013, the company’s government affairs managers complained that Intel simply can’t find enough homegrown workers in technical fields to meet its needs. And in 2014, the company called for allowing the spouses and children of H-1B recipients to automatically qualify for work in the U.S. as well.


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whats the difference?
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The chip-making giant said the mass firings are part of a "restructuring initiative” that will further its shift away from the PC business toward smart devices and cloud-based computing.





But the firings stand out in light of Intel’s lobbying to expand the H-1B visa program. In 2013, the company’s government affairs managers complained that Intel simply can’t find enough homegrown workers in technical fields to meet its needs. And in 2014, the company called for allowing the spouses and children of H-1B recipients to automatically qualify for work in the U.S. as well.





I had to stop reading, someone should tell these people that there's a difference between getting fired and getting laid off.





whats the difference?




 
Getting fired is when you fuck up, getting laid off is when the company fucks up.
Link Posted: 4/20/2016 10:47:01 AM EDT
A lot has changed in the market (especially international demand etc) in the last couple of years, but never mind that, let's get all butthurt!

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Link Posted: 4/20/2016 10:50:33 AM EDT
Odd that Intel can't find any US workers that are qualified....

I knew a woman about 10 years ago who worked in a division of Intel that did nothing but research small tech start up companies. They'd buy up the companies that looked promising, layoff the people working there and then take the technology back in house. Intel has had tons of opportunity to hang onto skilled workers, they just chose not too.
Link Posted: 4/20/2016 11:01:55 AM EDT
Ho Chi Minh would be proud of Intel.  



No military action required to shutter American factories.  Just build factories in Vietnam, fire the American factory workers, and close the American plants.  

http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1108664
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This is not a bad idea.  

Lets use H1B's for every freakin job we can with the exception of critical infrastructure/saftey/gov/etc.  Raise the Tax rate on said jobs to an outrageous amount.  Provide excellent stipend and health care to natural born citizens.  Live the dream.
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Oh yeah. That's core to the computer business.
Link Posted: 4/20/2016 11:41:29 AM EDT
Trump has flip-flopped on this issue (big suprise) and now supports an increase in H1B visas:

http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-h1b-visas-gop-debate-immigration-2016-3

Trump has engaged in large-scale H1B visa abuse at his resorts, hiring hundreds of foreign workers under the H1B visa program while turning American applicants for those jobs away:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/26/us/politics/donald-trump-taps-foreign-work-force-for-his-florida-club.html
Since 2010, nearly 300 United States residents have applied or been referred for jobs as waiters, waitresses, cooks and housekeepers there. But according to federal records, only 17 have been hired.

In all but a handful of cases, Mar-a-Lago sought to fill the jobs with hundreds of foreign guest workers from Romania and other countries.
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Well is like my job, I knew when they gave us raises they'd just take it back by hiring less people and stil bitching about work being slow.



It's the nature of management. Only when Americans start waking up and doing French Revolution type stuff will corporate get the idea to lay off. But it is what is...
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You know that the 'French Revolution' didn't end well, right?  



 
Link Posted: 4/20/2016 11:47:09 AM EDT
Did I miss all the Michael Milken's championing the "free" market?

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Its not capitalism to buy off the government to allow you to bring in more H1B visas. And Intel is non union.
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isn't Kuwait run like that? almost impossible to become a citizen, but citizens get a annual check from the gov, and guest workers do all the work?
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Trump has flip-flopped on this issue (big suprise) and now supports an increase in H1B visas:

http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-h1b-visas-gop-debate-immigration-2016-3

Trump has engaged in large-scale H1B visa abuse at his resorts, hiring hundreds of foreign workers under the H1B visa program while turning American applicants for those jobs away:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/26/us/politics/donald-trump-taps-foreign-work-force-for-his-florida-club.html

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Trump has flip-flopped on this issue (big suprise) and now supports an increase in H1B visas:

http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-h1b-visas-gop-debate-immigration-2016-3

Trump has engaged in large-scale H1B visa abuse at his resorts, hiring hundreds of foreign workers under the H1B visa program while turning American applicants for those jobs away:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/26/us/politics/donald-trump-taps-foreign-work-force-for-his-florida-club.html
Since 2010, nearly 300 United States residents have applied or been referred for jobs as waiters, waitresses, cooks and housekeepers there. But according to federal records, only 17 have been hired.

In all but a handful of cases, Mar-a-Lago sought to fill the jobs with hundreds of foreign guest workers from Romania and other countries.



Apparantly trump hasn't flip flopped, you simply don't bother to read.

Megyn Kelly asked about highly-skilled immigration. The H-1B program is neither high-skilled nor immigration: these are temporary foreign workers, imported from abroad, for the explicit purpose of substituting for American workers at lower pay. I remain totally committed to eliminating rampant, widespread H-1B abuse and ending outrageous practices such as those that occurred at Disney in Florida when Americans were forced to train their foreign replacements. I will end forever the use of the H-1B as a cheap labor program, and institute an absolute requirement to hire American workers first for every visa and immigration program. No exceptions
Link Posted: 4/20/2016 12:00:35 PM EDT
This isn't "free market", this is flat out corporatism and the politicians of both sides just lap it up.



You want to move your plant to some 3rd world country with no industrial base and no IP protections?  Fine, that's your choice, but this is collusion to fuck over American citizens.
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It's the vote-buying shit like welfare and unemployment  that makes companies do this H1-B shit.  

A company shouldn't have to compete with the FSA Disbursement Office for labor.  
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  Getting fired is when you fuck up, getting laid off is when the company fucks up.
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The chip-making giant said the mass firings are part of a "restructuring initiative” that will further its shift away from the PC business toward smart devices and cloud-based computing.


But the firings stand out in light of Intel’s lobbying to expand the H-1B visa program. In 2013, the company’s government affairs managers complained that Intel simply can’t find enough homegrown workers in technical fields to meet its needs. And in 2014, the company called for allowing the spouses and children of H-1B recipients to automatically qualify for work in the U.S. as well.


I had to stop reading, someone should tell these people that there's a difference between getting fired and getting laid off.


whats the difference?

  Getting fired is when you fuck up, getting laid off is when the company fucks up.


When the company fucks up or when the government fucks the company and the shit rolls down hill?
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This isn't "free market", this is flat out corporatism and the politicians of both sides just lap it up.



You want to move your plant to some 3rd world country with no industrial base and no IP protections?  Fine, that's your choice, but this is collusion to fuck over American citizens.
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And the government is completely complicit. Our ridiculous tax rates are the #1 reason corporations engage in these despicable efforts.
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I do not know if the posters that espouse archo-capitalism on here are driven by blind ideological purity, naivety, self-hatred or are paid shills but unless you are in the 1% (or heck maybe the .5%) what is happening is NOT going to benefit you at all. Most Americans have been getting screwed by globalization and will continue to be at an accelerating rate as it touches more and more job types and areas of the country. Companies like Intel are not going to care if they layoff all their employees in the US and move to India if it will help their bottom line. Those of you thinking it can't happen to my job/my company are just like the Jews thinking that as long as they kept making stuff for the Nazis they were safe, nope they got put on the train anyway - but after everyone else. Its putting your head in the sand.

A functioning democracy cannot exist where you have 95% of the population on the dole or in poverty with a very small or non-existent chance of improving their lot while a ruling class of politicians, corporate executives and celebrities see themselves as citizens of the world and not the US.

Since companies have abused the visa program for years I do not think they can be trusted with and it needs to be abolished completely. There need to be tariffs in place that MATCH the tariffs that specific country put on those exact types of goods from the US - I dont think ANYONE can argue this is not fair. Finally, if a company wants to pull out of the US it needs to cost them and cost them big - at least a 50% exit tax for corporate earnings with NO loopholes. If they get caught cooking the books it should have a 100% penalty on TOP of the 50% exit tax. They need to obey laws the same as you and me, think what would happen to anyone on here if we got caught violating laws like ITAR, massive fines and/or FPMITA prison, why should  companies be able to buy their way out for pennies on the dollar?

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Apparantly trump hasn't flip flopped, you simply don't bother to read.

Megyn Kelly asked about highly-skilled immigration. The H-1B program is neither high-skilled nor immigration: these are temporary foreign workers, imported from abroad, for the explicit purpose of substituting for American workers at lower pay. I remain totally committed to eliminating rampant, widespread H-1B abuse and ending outrageous practices such as those that occurred at Disney in Florida when Americans were forced to train their foreign replacements. I will end forever the use of the H-1B as a cheap labor program, and institute an absolute requirement to hire American workers first for every visa and immigration program. No exceptions
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Trump has flip-flopped on this issue (big suprise) and now supports an increase in H1B visas:

http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-h1b-visas-gop-debate-immigration-2016-3

Trump has engaged in large-scale H1B visa abuse at his resorts, hiring hundreds of foreign workers under the H1B visa program while turning American applicants for those jobs away:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/26/us/politics/donald-trump-taps-foreign-work-force-for-his-florida-club.html
Since 2010, nearly 300 United States residents have applied or been referred for jobs as waiters, waitresses, cooks and housekeepers there. But according to federal records, only 17 have been hired.

In all but a handful of cases, Mar-a-Lago sought to fill the jobs with hundreds of foreign guest workers from Romania and other countries.



Apparantly trump hasn't flip flopped, you simply don't bother to read.

Megyn Kelly asked about highly-skilled immigration. The H-1B program is neither high-skilled nor immigration: these are temporary foreign workers, imported from abroad, for the explicit purpose of substituting for American workers at lower pay. I remain totally committed to eliminating rampant, widespread H-1B abuse and ending outrageous practices such as those that occurred at Disney in Florida when Americans were forced to train their foreign replacements. I will end forever the use of the H-1B as a cheap labor program, and institute an absolute requirement to hire American workers first for every visa and immigration program. No exceptions


Coming out against abuse of the program...wow...so bold.  

Trump's pronouncements about ending H1B visa abuse are about as sincere as his wedding vows.

He has a documented history of abusing the program, as you would know if you bothered to read the NY Times article I linked.

He reversed his earlier call for a halt to the program, and advocated its expansion during the FoxNews debate.

Fuck Lyin' Trump.
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Coming out against abuse of the program...wow...so bold.  

Trump's pronouncements about ending H1B visa abuse are about as sincere as his wedding vows.

He has a documented history of abusing the program, as you would know if you bothered to read the NY Times article I linked.

He reversed his earlier call for a halt to the program, and advocated its expansion during the FoxNews debate.

Fuck Lyin' Trump.
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Trump has flip-flopped on this issue (big suprise) and now supports an increase in H1B visas:

http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-h1b-visas-gop-debate-immigration-2016-3

Trump has engaged in large-scale H1B visa abuse at his resorts, hiring hundreds of foreign workers under the H1B visa program while turning American applicants for those jobs away:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/26/us/politics/donald-trump-taps-foreign-work-force-for-his-florida-club.html
Since 2010, nearly 300 United States residents have applied or been referred for jobs as waiters, waitresses, cooks and housekeepers there. But according to federal records, only 17 have been hired.

In all but a handful of cases, Mar-a-Lago sought to fill the jobs with hundreds of foreign guest workers from Romania and other countries.



Apparantly trump hasn't flip flopped, you simply don't bother to read.

Megyn Kelly asked about highly-skilled immigration. The H-1B program is neither high-skilled nor immigration: these are temporary foreign workers, imported from abroad, for the explicit purpose of substituting for American workers at lower pay. I remain totally committed to eliminating rampant, widespread H-1B abuse and ending outrageous practices such as those that occurred at Disney in Florida when Americans were forced to train their foreign replacements. I will end forever the use of the H-1B as a cheap labor program, and institute an absolute requirement to hire American workers first for every visa and immigration program. No exceptions


Coming out against abuse of the program...wow...so bold.  

Trump's pronouncements about ending H1B visa abuse are about as sincere as his wedding vows.

He has a documented history of abusing the program, as you would know if you bothered to read the NY Times article I linked.

He reversed his earlier call for a halt to the program, and advocated its expansion during the FoxNews debate.

Fuck Lyin' Trump.


But Cruz has never wavered, amirite?

Do you get all your news from the NYT's.  Probably.  I am sure Trump, the lazy, trump the stupid, trump the clueless personally hires everyone who works in any of his companies.  
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Where did you get this happy horseshit?  A North Korean travel agency?



I agree there are too many people in the US on the FSA gravy train... and I'd drop about 99.87% of them tomorrow and let them fucking starve were it up to me.  But this shit about poverty with no hope is just derp.
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Where did you get this happy horseshit?  A North Korean travel agency?



I agree there are too many people in the US on the FSA gravy train... and I'd drop about 99.87% of them tomorrow and let them fucking starve were it up to me.  But this shit about poverty with no hope is just derp.
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A functioning democracy cannot exist where you have 95% of the population on the dole or in poverty with a very small or non-existent chance of improving their lot




Where did you get this happy horseshit?  A North Korean travel agency?



I agree there are too many people in the US on the FSA gravy train... and I'd drop about 99.87% of them tomorrow and let them fucking starve were it up to me.  But this shit about poverty with no hope is just derp.


Do you think all those people are going to quietly go off and starve? No they are going to be robbing, killing and burning you and your family first. Unless there is a legit path off of the dole - ie jobs - welfare CANT be fixed. Earlier in the thread someone mentioned the French Revolution, well that is how you get one.
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Do you think all those people are going to quietly go off and starve? No they are going to be robbing, killing and burning you and your family first. Earlier in the thread someone mentioned the French Revolution, well that is how you get one.
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Millions for defense, not one dime for tribute.  Fuck the Danegeld.

The French that revolted had a legitimate beef.  They weren't FSA spoiled by generations of pandering.
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Globalists terraforming the USA to suit their agenda....
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Do you think all those people are going to quietly go off and starve? No they are going to be robbing, killing and burning you and your family first. Unless there is a legit path off of the dole - ie jobs - welfare CANT be fixed. Earlier in the thread someone mentioned the French Revolution, well that is how you get one.
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A functioning democracy cannot exist where you have 95% of the population on the dole or in poverty with a very small or non-existent chance of improving their lot




Where did you get this happy horseshit?  A North Korean travel agency?



I agree there are too many people in the US on the FSA gravy train... and I'd drop about 99.87% of them tomorrow and let them fucking starve were it up to me.  But this shit about poverty with no hope is just derp.


Do you think all those people are going to quietly go off and starve? No they are going to be robbing, killing and burning you and your family first. Unless there is a legit path off of the dole - ie jobs - welfare CANT be fixed. Earlier in the thread someone mentioned the French Revolution, well that is how you get one.


Those shitheads can pull their pistols or whistle Dixie.  If it wasn't defacto illegal to say "boo" to the leaches due to the threat of overwhelming force from the federal government, there'd be a lot fewer Democrat voters by next week.
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I do not know if the posters that espouse archo-capitalism on here are driven by blind ideological purity, naivety, self-hatred or are paid shills but unless you are in the 1% (or heck maybe the .5%) what is happening is NOT going to benefit you at all. Most Americans have been getting screwed by globalization and will continue to be at an accelerating rate as it touches more and more job types and areas of the country. Companies like Intel are not going to care if they layoff all their employees in the US and move to India if it will help their bottom line. Those of you thinking it can't happen to my job/my company are just like the Jews thinking that as long as they kept making stuff for the Nazis they were safe, nope they got put on the train anyway - but after everyone else. Its putting your head in the sand.

A functioning democracy cannot exist where you have 95% of the population on the dole or in poverty with a very small or non-existent chance of improving their lot while a ruling class of politicians, corporate executives and celebrities see themselves as citizens of the world and not the US.

Since companies have abused the visa program for years I do not think they can be trusted with and it needs to be abolished completely. There need to be tariffs in place that MATCH the tariffs that specific country put on those exact types of goods from the US - I dont think ANYONE can argue this is not fair. Finally, if a company wants to pull out of the US it needs to cost them and cost them big - at least a 50% exit tax for corporate earnings with NO loopholes. If they get caught cooking the books it should have a 100% penalty on TOP of the 50% exit tax. They need to obey laws the same as you and me, think what would happen to anyone on here if we got caught violating laws like ITAR, massive fines and/or FPMITA prison, why should  companies be able to buy their way out for pennies on the dollar?

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I do not know if the posters that espouse archo-capitalism on here are driven by blind ideological purity, naivety, self-hatred or are paid shills but unless you are in the 1% (or heck maybe the .5%) what is happening is NOT going to benefit you at all. Most Americans have been getting screwed by globalization and will continue to be at an accelerating rate as it touches more and more job types and areas of the country. Companies like Intel are not going to care if they layoff all their employees in the US and move to India if it will help their bottom line. Those of you thinking it can't happen to my job/my company are just like the Jews thinking that as long as they kept making stuff for the Nazis they were safe, nope they got put on the train anyway - but after everyone else. Its putting your head in the sand.

A functioning democracy cannot exist where you have 95% of the population on the dole or in poverty with a very small or non-existent chance of improving their lot while a ruling class of politicians, corporate executives and celebrities see themselves as citizens of the world and not the US.

Since companies have abused the visa program for years I do not think they can be trusted with and it needs to be abolished completely. There need to be tariffs in place that MATCH the tariffs that specific country put on those exact types of goods from the US - I dont think ANYONE can argue this is not fair. Finally, if a company wants to pull out of the US it needs to cost them and cost them big - at least a 50% exit tax for corporate earnings with NO loopholes. If they get caught cooking the books it should have a 100% penalty on TOP of the 50% exit tax. They need to obey laws the same as you and me, think what would happen to anyone on here if we got caught violating laws like ITAR, massive fines and/or FPMITA prison, why should  companies be able to buy their way out for pennies on the dollar?



You have no idea what you are talking about. It would do you some good to look up statistics on the productivity of American workers vs. any 3rd world shit hole. Hour for hour, dollar for dollar, American workers are VASTLY more productive than Chinese, Vietnamese, Mexican, Haitian, Malaysian, and any other 3rd world nation's workers. Combine that with our infrastructure and stability and you have an environment for productivity that no other nation on earth has.

It isn't until you have a combined effort by our government, through onerous taxation, and foreign governments, through tariffs, that the productivity of American workers lose the ability to compete in the labor market and corporations begin looking for alternatives. Even with those conditions, the U.S. has the 2nd highest industrial output in the world.

Lowering the domestic corporate tax burden (which is #1 in the world) would make the U.S. a magnet for corporations and would actually treat the disease. Throwing up tariffs will only treat the symptoms.
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The FSA is a legitimate threat only because of the protections affored them by government.
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You have no idea what you are talking about. It would do you some good to look up statistics on the productivity of American workers vs. any 3rd world shit hole. Hour for hour, dollar for dollar, American workers are VASTLY more productive than Chinese, Vietnamese, Mexican, Haitian, Malaysian, and any other 3rd world nation's workers. Combine that with our infrastructure and stability and you have an environment for productivity that no other nation on earth has.

It isn't until you have a combined effort by our government, through onerous taxation, and foreign governments, through tariffs, that the productivity of American workers lose the ability to compete in the labor market and corporations begin looking for alternatives. Even with those conditions, the U.S. has the 2nd highest industrial output in the world.

Lowering the domestic corporate tax burden (which is #1 in the world) would make the U.S. a magnet for corporations and would actually treat the disease. Throwing up tariffs will only treat the symptoms.
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Why do you hate capitalism.. And freedom. Their business their rules...that is the union hating ARF com way.


I do not know if the posters that espouse archo-capitalism on here are driven by blind ideological purity, naivety, self-hatred or are paid shills but unless you are in the 1% (or heck maybe the .5%) what is happening is NOT going to benefit you at all. Most Americans have been getting screwed by globalization and will continue to be at an accelerating rate as it touches more and more job types and areas of the country. Companies like Intel are not going to care if they layoff all their employees in the US and move to India if it will help their bottom line. Those of you thinking it can't happen to my job/my company are just like the Jews thinking that as long as they kept making stuff for the Nazis they were safe, nope they got put on the train anyway - but after everyone else. Its putting your head in the sand.

A functioning democracy cannot exist where you have 95% of the population on the dole or in poverty with a very small or non-existent chance of improving their lot while a ruling class of politicians, corporate executives and celebrities see themselves as citizens of the world and not the US.

Since companies have abused the visa program for years I do not think they can be trusted with and it needs to be abolished completely. There need to be tariffs in place that MATCH the tariffs that specific country put on those exact types of goods from the US - I dont think ANYONE can argue this is not fair. Finally, if a company wants to pull out of the US it needs to cost them and cost them big - at least a 50% exit tax for corporate earnings with NO loopholes. If they get caught cooking the books it should have a 100% penalty on TOP of the 50% exit tax. They need to obey laws the same as you and me, think what would happen to anyone on here if we got caught violating laws like ITAR, massive fines and/or FPMITA prison, why should  companies be able to buy their way out for pennies on the dollar?



You have no idea what you are talking about. It would do you some good to look up statistics on the productivity of American workers vs. any 3rd world shit hole. Hour for hour, dollar for dollar, American workers are VASTLY more productive than Chinese, Vietnamese, Mexican, Haitian, Malaysian, and any other 3rd world nation's workers. Combine that with our infrastructure and stability and you have an environment for productivity that no other nation on earth has.

It isn't until you have a combined effort by our government, through onerous taxation, and foreign governments, through tariffs, that the productivity of American workers lose the ability to compete in the labor market and corporations begin looking for alternatives. Even with those conditions, the U.S. has the 2nd highest industrial output in the world.

Lowering the domestic corporate tax burden (which is #1 in the world) would make the U.S. a magnet for corporations and would actually treat the disease. Throwing up tariffs will only treat the symptoms.


Pick which category you fit into and bold it:

1. blind ideological purity
2. naivety
3. self-hatred
4. paid shill
5. I am in the 1%
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