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Posted: 6/23/2017 1:38:38 PM EST
A recent insurance study links increased car crash claims to legalized recreational marijuana.

The Highway Loss Data Institute, a leading insurance research group, said in study results released Thursday that collision claims in Colorado, Washington, and Oregon went up 2.7 percent in the years since legal recreational marijuana sales began when compared with surrounding states.

Legal recreational pot sales in Colorado began in January 2014, followed six months later in Washington, and in October 2015 in Oregon.

"We believe that the data is saying that crash risk has increased in these states and those crash risks are associated with the legalization of marijuana," said Matt Moore, senior vice president with the institute, which analyzes insurance data to observe emerging auto-safety trends.
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http://www.foxnews.com/auto/2017/06/23/insurance-study-ties-legal-pot-to-boost-in-car-crash-claims.html

"but there's no real, definitive evidence or proof"
"but don't you love freedom?"
"it's as safe/safer than driking"
"people should allow people to use or do anything they want, as long as it doesn't affect anyone else"
"your'e just afraid of the pot needles"
etc.
Link Posted: 6/23/2017 1:43:18 PM EST
I'm not helping
I live in one of the hearts of legal pot. Hit a light pole last winter
Link Posted: 6/23/2017 1:44:45 PM EST
I've been assured by multiple ARFcommers that pot is absolutely, perfectly, safe and even makes you a more aware drive. This study is clearly wrong.
Link Posted: 6/23/2017 1:45:16 PM EST
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Originally Posted By bradpierson26:
I'm not helping
I live in one of the hearts of legal pot. Hit a light pole last winter
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while hitting a lit pole?
Link Posted: 6/23/2017 1:46:03 PM EST
Duuuuuuuuuuude!
Link Posted: 6/23/2017 1:46:14 PM EST
During times of increased ice cream sales, there is an increase in shark attacks.

Correlation =/= causation
Link Posted: 6/23/2017 1:47:22 PM EST
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Originally Posted By unknownhavoc:
I've been assured by multiple ARFcommers that pot is absolutely, perfectly, safe and even makes you a more aware drive. This study is clearly wrong.
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Cite one source of somebody telling you that?

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Link Posted: 6/23/2017 1:48:02 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Disgruntled_vet:


Cite one source of somebody telling you that?
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Ah yes, because I keep a list of pot threads written down so I can cite them for 16ers who ask me to cite them.
Link Posted: 6/23/2017 1:48:14 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Disgruntled_vet:
During times of increased ice cream sales, there is an increase in shark attacks.

Correlation =/= causation
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Link Posted: 6/23/2017 1:48:20 PM EST
Potheads come out. Potheads come out.
Link Posted: 6/23/2017 1:48:51 PM EST
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Originally Posted By unknownhavoc:


Ah yes, because I keep a list of pot threads written down so I can cite them for 16ers who ask me to cite them.
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Okay, then you lose. Thanks for playing.
Link Posted: 6/23/2017 1:49:45 PM EST
2 years really isn't long enough to notice a trend. Do a 10 year comparison, and then you'll have good numbers.
Link Posted: 6/23/2017 1:51:47 PM EST
Yeah, well that's like your opinion, man.
Link Posted: 6/23/2017 1:51:48 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Disgruntled_vet:


Okay, then you lose. Thanks for playing.
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Here you go, little Troll

Do I need to hold your hand and show you the post, too?
Link Posted: 6/23/2017 1:52:08 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Disgruntled_vet:
During times of increased ice cream sales, there is an increase in shark attacks.

Correlation =/= causation
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An intoxicant causing an increase in wrecks?

Who slanders the Holy Weed?
Link Posted: 6/23/2017 1:52:37 PM EST
don't care, it still shouldn't be illegal
Link Posted: 6/23/2017 1:52:52 PM EST
In before there is no way to prove they are high at the time of the accident?
Link Posted: 6/23/2017 1:52:54 PM EST
Link Posted: 6/23/2017 1:52:54 PM EST
LOL. In other news, Washington state is at a near all-time low in traffic deaths and ranks lower than almost every other state in deaths per vehicle miles travelled. Please pray for us though, the carnage is unbearable.
Link Posted: 6/23/2017 1:53:07 PM EST
Im not a pot fan..but short of actual test on scene..meh...and I would imagine those who were going to use, were already using before the law changed......my guess..just another way for insurance companies to raise prices and deny coverages....
Link Posted: 6/23/2017 1:53:35 PM EST
Pot needles. Not. Even. Once.
Link Posted: 6/23/2017 1:53:51 PM EST
This thread will go at least 9 pages.
Link Posted: 6/23/2017 1:53:53 PM EST
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Originally Posted By feudist:
An intoxicant causing an increase in wrecks?

Who slanders the Holy Weed?
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Care to provide evidence that it is causing the wrecks? Or do I just have to accept your assumption as gospel?
Link Posted: 6/23/2017 1:54:38 PM EST
What is driking?
Link Posted: 6/23/2017 1:54:42 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Disgruntled_vet:
During times of increased ice cream sales, there is an increase in shark attacks.

Correlation =/= causation
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Well, it IS a fact that pot still affects depth perception up to two days after use. Depth perception is kinda important for driving.....
Link Posted: 6/23/2017 1:56:21 PM EST
I'll drink to that...
Link Posted: 6/23/2017 1:57:21 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Disgruntled_vet:


Cite one source of somebody telling you that?
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Maybe you should stick around on these forums a little more before trying to play this game.
Link Posted: 6/23/2017 1:58:13 PM EST
But bro, pot solves all the worlds problems and cures cancer.
Link Posted: 6/23/2017 2:03:06 PM EST
According to GD pot either cures every disease known to man or permanently fries your brain after 1 hit.
Link Posted: 6/23/2017 2:04:51 PM EST
Link Posted: 6/23/2017 2:07:08 PM EST
It was illegal to drive intoxicated before.

It's illegal to drive intoxicated now.

Are we saying that banning the *possession* of alcohol is a worthwhile tradeoff  to (maybe) eliminate a statistical blip?
Link Posted: 6/23/2017 2:11:36 PM EST
I wonder if the higher the normal amounts of rain and snow and road ice had any weighting in the study?

Or illegals being given ID's and allowed to drive, whereas a few years back they would always hit n run with no claim.

It's not like the insurance industry has a motive to release a study that would seem to justify higher premiums, amirite?

Stoned people probably do crash more than sober people, but pot should be treated like alcohol and cigarettes. And it will, now that those states are seeing that extra tax revenue. No putting that genie back in the bottle.
Link Posted: 6/23/2017 2:14:15 PM EST
Ray Charles saw this one coming the day the first state decriminalized weed.

Insurance company studies are designed to do one thing and one thing ONLY and that is to make money for insurance companies.

Government studies for the most part are politically driven and many of them can be considered biased.

Much the CDC studies are designed to get more money and power for the CDC.
Link Posted: 6/23/2017 2:14:20 PM EST
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Originally Posted By 1Andy2:
What is driking?
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What's a dikfer?
Link Posted: 6/23/2017 2:16:59 PM EST
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/2006624_Drug-companies-trying-to-make-marijuana-pain-killers-.html

And their friends still want to profit off of what they say is acceptable.
Link Posted: 6/23/2017 2:19:02 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:
I posted a thread several weeks back. iirc they said pot is now the number 1 "drug" found in a persons system in fatal car crashes.
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What is interesting to note is that evidence of pot use stays in one's system for up to months after it is used.

It would be interesting to find out if the levels found after these crashes was high enough to render any kind of real incapacitation.
Link Posted: 6/23/2017 2:20:57 PM EST
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Let me guess...they blamed an accident on pot if the person had any detectable THC in his system, and not if he was actually high at the time of the accident

One interesting bit of info from the Castille shooting trial was when the coroner stated that it's impossible to tell someone's THC intoxication level if they're dead
Link Posted: 6/23/2017 2:21:04 PM EST
I see it coming! So...... IBTL.
Link Posted: 6/23/2017 2:22:36 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Disgruntled_vet:


Cite one source of somebody telling you that?

<Banned (actually re-banned)--you don't get to reregister to avoid your ban using several accounts. It's especially stupid to draw attention to yourself with continuous personal attacks on the good members, as that prompts staff attention. --tbk1>
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Previous user names?
Link Posted: 6/23/2017 2:22:53 PM EST
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Originally Posted By mcantu:
Let me guess...they blamed an accident on pot if the person had any detectable THC in his system, and not if he was actually high at the time of the accident
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That's not even a guess.
Link Posted: 6/23/2017 2:25:25 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Disgruntled_vet:


Cite one source of somebody telling you that?

<Banned (actually re-banned)--you don't get to reregister to avoid your ban using several accounts. It's especially stupid to draw attention to yourself with continuous personal attacks on the good members, as that prompts staff attention. --tbk1>
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Link Posted: 6/23/2017 2:26:28 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Disgruntled_vet:


Cite one source of somebody telling you that?

<Banned (actually re-banned)--you don't get to reregister to avoid your ban using several accounts. It's especially stupid to draw attention to yourself with continuous personal attacks on the good members, as that prompts staff attention. --tbk1>
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So who was he originally?
Link Posted: 6/23/2017 2:28:22 PM EST
Of course it does. It's a fucking intoxicant.
Link Posted: 6/23/2017 2:28:26 PM EST
Link Posted: 6/23/2017 2:30:39 PM EST
Link Posted: 6/23/2017 2:30:48 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Disgruntled_vet:


Cite one source of somebody telling you that?

<Banned (actually re-banned)--you don't get to reregister to avoid your ban using several accounts. It's especially stupid to draw attention to yourself with continuous personal attacks on the good members, as that prompts staff attention. --tbk1>
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one of three that I have been waiting on.
Link Posted: 6/23/2017 2:34:11 PM EST
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Originally Posted By thebeekeeper1:
Several, but I don't recall the names, as none were noteworthy members. Just a troll, doing troll things.
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<Removed -40xb>

Link Posted: 6/23/2017 2:35:14 PM EST
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Originally Posted By unknownhavoc:
Ah yes, because I keep a list of pot threads written down so I can cite them for 16ers who ask me to cite them.
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Originally Posted By unknownhavoc:
Originally Posted By Disgruntled_vet:


Cite one source of somebody telling you that?
Ah yes, because I keep a list of pot threads written down so I can cite them for 16ers who ask me to cite them.
So you give a statement, then when asked for an example, you pull that? If you can't prove it, why say it?

Also, it sited a 2.6% increase. Exactly how many is that? And is that a reason to tell someone what they can or cannot Do?

We already have DWI/DUI laws on the books. Find a way to conduct a field sobriety test for marijuana that accurately measures current intoxication, and let people who want to use it use it in their own homes, same as alcohol, where usage won't "pick your pocket or break your arm".
Link Posted: 6/23/2017 2:36:00 PM EST
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Originally Posted By xerxes2695:
According to GD pot either cures every disease known to man or permanently fries your brain after 1 hit.
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Originally Posted By xerxes2695:
According to GD pot either cures every disease known to man or permanently fries your brain after 1 hit.
I'm solidly in the "The only thing dumber than smoking pot is putting people in prison for smoking pot" camp.



Originally Posted By hawktheslayer:
Of course it does. It's a fucking intoxicant.
And naturally, the same relationship exists between legal gun ownership and shootings, right?
Link Posted: 6/23/2017 2:37:11 PM EST
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Originally Posted By tango1978:
one of three that I have been waiting on.
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same here.

and several people have said people with ee feedback usually aren't retreads

though I remember someone posted they investigated a retread's feedback, and got 4 troll accounts nailed
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