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Posted: 3/16/2011 7:18:52 AM EST
Well, that's what they said when the progressives enacted a Federal income tax almost 100 years ago


"They promised that it would never go above 7%, and the richest people would pay most of the taxes anyway. In this post we’re going to go through the history of the income tax and how the income tax has changed over the years despite it’s promises of making paying taxes simpler."


http://blog.voogru.com/2010/09/18/income-taxes-a-short-history-of-the-income-tax/

Speed
Link Posted: 3/16/2011 7:20:13 AM EST
[Last Edit: 3/16/2011 7:20:21 AM EST by _DR]

Too bad a politician's words mean less than nothing.
Link Posted: 3/16/2011 7:30:45 AM EST
Well, they did get the part about the rich paying the most correct.
Link Posted: 3/16/2011 7:34:13 AM EST
Originally Posted By _DR:

Too bad a politician's words mean less than nothing.


QFT!
Link Posted: 3/16/2011 7:40:39 AM EST
Originally Posted By speedracer422:
Well, that's what they said when the progressives enacted a Federal income tax almost 100 years ago





The progressive democrat of 1910 wasn't the progressive democrat of 2010.

Remember, if your business was cash-based and dependent upon land (i.e., farmer or rancher), you did FAR better paying an "income tax" rather than federal property tax (which was the other realistic option).

So, every time you start to lament the income tax, thank a farmer.

Link Posted: 3/16/2011 7:41:22 AM EST
Link Posted: 3/16/2011 7:51:51 AM EST
The Progressives also insisted our Social Security Number would NEVER be used for identification purposes.

The 19th Amendment was the Progressive's crowning achievement and sealed our Nation's fate.
Link Posted: 3/16/2011 8:02:44 AM EST
To believe there are people who beleive that system is fair and equal.

Fkn MORANS!
Link Posted: 3/16/2011 8:03:56 AM EST
Originally Posted By jwr6:
Originally Posted By speedracer422:
Well, that's what they said when the progressives enacted a Federal income tax almost 100 years ago





The progressive democrat of 1910 wasn't the progressive democrat of 2010.

Remember, if your business was cash-based and dependent upon land (i.e., farmer or rancher), you did FAR better paying an "income tax" rather than federal property tax (which was the other realistic option).

So, every time you start to lament the income tax, thank a farmer.



Party had nothing to do with tax system when it was implemented
Link Posted: 3/16/2011 8:07:54 AM EST
Originally Posted By thermocafe:
The 19th Amendment was the Progressive's crowning achievement and sealed our Nation's fate.


Oh, boy.....

Link Posted: 3/16/2011 8:10:20 AM EST
Death by incrementalism. Social Security was only supposed to be for a small group of people. Now you can't escape it. Gradually they chip away slowly until the rights are gone. Look at gun control. That's the best case of incrementalism being applied by the government.
Link Posted: 3/16/2011 8:32:37 AM EST
[Last Edit: 3/16/2011 8:33:55 AM EST by DoberDude]
A mans labor is his personal property. Personal property should only be shared if the owner desires to do so.

To agree with income tax is to admit you're a socialist.

It's wrong, it's always been wrong and should be stopped immediatley.

Also, all politicians should immediatley be removed from their fat cat retirement plans and join Social Security like the rest of us.

Then, Social Security should be phased out over time trying to impact the folks who ACTUALLY paid into it the least.

My .02

Link Posted: 3/16/2011 8:37:51 AM EST

Originally Posted By Zaphod:
Originally Posted By thermocafe:
The 19th Amendment was the Progressive's crowning achievement and sealed our Nation's fate.


Oh, boy.....


Its true.
Link Posted: 3/16/2011 8:53:38 AM EST
Originally Posted By DoberDude:
A mans labor is his personal property. Personal property should only be shared if the owner desires to do so.

To agree with income tax is to admit you're a socialist.

It's wrong, it's always been wrong and should be stopped immediatley.

Also, all politicians should immediatley be removed from their fat cat retirement plans and join Social Security like the rest of us.

Then, Social Security should be phased out over time trying to impact the folks who ACTUALLY paid into it the least.

My .02



Your logic applies to all taxation schemes that I can think of. Tariffs are placed on property. Land taxes are on property. I can't think of any form of taxation which doesn't tax a man's property.
Link Posted: 3/16/2011 8:55:11 AM EST
And Obamacare won't raise your taxes, the national deficit, OR your premiums. It will also never affect your choice of physician.
Link Posted: 3/16/2011 9:37:39 AM EST

Originally Posted By Snips:
Originally Posted By DoberDude:
A mans labor is his personal property. Personal property should only be shared if the owner desires to do so.

To agree with income tax is to admit you're a socialist.

It's wrong, it's always been wrong and should be stopped immediatley.

Also, all politicians should immediatley be removed from their fat cat retirement plans and join Social Security like the rest of us.

Then, Social Security should be phased out over time trying to impact the folks who ACTUALLY paid into it the least.

My .02



Your logic applies to all taxation schemes that I can think of. Tariffs are placed on property. Land taxes are on property. I can't think of any form of taxation which doesn't tax a man's property.

My logic also disagrees with property tax.

Anyone who agrees with all these taxes is more than welcome to pay mine.
Link Posted: 3/16/2011 9:38:35 AM EST

Originally Posted By Sylvan:

Originally Posted By Zaphod:
Originally Posted By thermocafe:
The 19th Amendment was the Progressive's crowning achievement and sealed our Nation's fate.


Oh, boy.....


Its true.

Yep.

Link Posted: 3/16/2011 9:39:06 AM EST

Originally Posted By BustinCaps:
And Obamacare won't raise your taxes, the national deficit, OR your premiums. It will also never affect your choice of physician.

You fear monger, you.
Link Posted: 3/16/2011 9:41:24 AM EST
Originally Posted By DoberDude:

Originally Posted By Snips:
Originally Posted By DoberDude:
A mans labor is his personal property. Personal property should only be shared if the owner desires to do so.

To agree with income tax is to admit you're a socialist.

It's wrong, it's always been wrong and should be stopped immediatley.

Also, all politicians should immediatley be removed from their fat cat retirement plans and join Social Security like the rest of us.

Then, Social Security should be phased out over time trying to impact the folks who ACTUALLY paid into it the least.

My .02



Your logic applies to all taxation schemes that I can think of. Tariffs are placed on property. Land taxes are on property. I can't think of any form of taxation which doesn't tax a man's property.

My logic also disagrees with property tax.

Anyone who agrees with all these taxes is more than welcome to pay mine.


How do you propose to fund any form of government without taxation?
Link Posted: 3/16/2011 9:43:08 AM EST
Originally Posted By davis9588:
Originally Posted By _DR:

Too bad a politician's words mean less than nothing.


QFT!


Link Posted: 3/16/2011 9:48:21 AM EST
How else would we pay for the military?
Link Posted: 3/16/2011 9:51:04 AM EST
Originally Posted By DoberDude:
A mans labor is his personal property. Personal property should only be shared if the owner desires to do so.

To agree with income tax is to admit you're a socialist.

It's wrong, it's always been wrong and should be stopped immediatley.

Also, all politicians should immediatley be removed from their fat cat retirement plans and join Social Security like the rest of us.

Then, Social Security should be phased out over time trying to impact the folks who ACTUALLY paid into it the least.

My .02



Taxation is neccessary... period. It is the amount of taxation and what our representatives do with the revenue is the problem.

Our politicians have been bought and paid for. And not by fkn hippies and po black folk.

Globalist entities control DC with money and power.

You all can keep talking in circles about party and welfare that left, right, up, down, liberals capitalists, blah, blah, blah.

None of it means shit.

If you want to restore the Republic, you need to get those fkn lobbyists and their money out of DC and out of the pockets of those crooked fkrs we elect. Swappin out the crooked fkrs, for different crooked fkrs from a different political party hasn't done jack.

Link Posted: 3/16/2011 9:53:52 AM EST
Link Posted: 3/16/2011 9:59:45 AM EST

Originally Posted By KILLERB6:
Well, they did get the part about the rich paying the most correct.

They really, really hated the "robber barons" back then.




Link Posted: 3/16/2011 10:03:08 AM EST
Liberals say whatever they need to at the time to get the votes. Means nothing.
Link Posted: 3/16/2011 10:03:44 AM EST
Originally Posted By _DR:

Too bad a politician's words mean less than nothing.


You know what a politician is going to do: Whatever he says, he means the opposite.
Link Posted: 3/16/2011 10:06:04 AM EST

Originally Posted By shooter69:
Liberals say whatever they need to at the time to get the votes. Means nothing.

Sadly that doesn't only happen on the left.


Link Posted: 3/16/2011 10:11:39 AM EST

Originally Posted By _DR:

Too bad a politician's words mean less than nothing.

It is not that they lie, they do. It has gotten to the point that they no longer even care to determine if what they are saying is a lie or not. The veracity of the statement they make is not even worth considering. The only value what they say has is:" Does this help me or hurt me." Truth is not part of the equation anymore. And we let them get away with it (or they do).
Link Posted: 3/16/2011 10:12:26 AM EST
Originally Posted By DoberDude:
A mans labor is his personal property. Personal property should only be shared if the owner desires to do so.

To agree with income tax is to admit you're a socialist.

It's wrong, it's always been wrong and should be stopped immediatley.

Also, all politicians should immediatley be removed from their fat cat retirement plans and join Social Security like the rest of us.

Then, Social Security should be phased out over time trying to impact the folks who ACTUALLY paid into it the least.

My .02



Military has to be paid.


My problem is and has always been personal property tax.

To tax a mans land , home, car every year is extortion by the state.
Link Posted: 3/16/2011 10:14:51 AM EST
[Last Edit: 3/16/2011 10:15:11 AM EST by randomhero97]
Originally Posted By TheTracker:
Originally Posted By DoberDude:
A mans labor is his personal property. Personal property should only be shared if the owner desires to do so.

To agree with income tax is to admit you're a socialist.

It's wrong, it's always been wrong and should be stopped immediatley.

Also, all politicians should immediatley be removed from their fat cat retirement plans and join Social Security like the rest of us.

Then, Social Security should be phased out over time trying to impact the folks who ACTUALLY paid into it the least.

My .02



Military has to be paid.


My problem is and has always been personal property tax.

To tax a mans land , home, car every year is extortion by the state.



Isn't that, by definition, extortion as well?

Link Posted: 3/16/2011 10:21:15 AM EST
Originally Posted By randomhero97:
Originally Posted By TheTracker:
Originally Posted By DoberDude:
A mans labor is his personal property. Personal property should only be shared if the owner desires to do so.

To agree with income tax is to admit you're a socialist.

It's wrong, it's always been wrong and should be stopped immediatley.

Also, all politicians should immediatley be removed from their fat cat retirement plans and join Social Security like the rest of us.

Then, Social Security should be phased out over time trying to impact the folks who ACTUALLY paid into it the least.

My .02



Military has to be paid.


My problem is and has always been personal property tax.

To tax a mans land , home, car every year is extortion by the state.



Isn't that, by definition, extortion as well?



No this should be the main reason for a federal government.
Link Posted: 3/16/2011 10:23:31 AM EST
[Last Edit: 3/16/2011 10:24:05 AM EST by TheTracker]
Property tax never allows you simply own your land or house.

Link Posted: 3/16/2011 10:26:41 AM EST
Originally Posted By TheTracker:
Property tax never allows you simply own your land or house.



Property tax is basically government-mandated fire and police insurance.
Link Posted: 3/16/2011 10:29:40 AM EST

Originally Posted By TheTracker:
Originally Posted By randomhero97:
Originally Posted By TheTracker:
Originally Posted By DoberDude:
A mans labor is his personal property. Personal property should only be shared if the owner desires to do so.

To agree with income tax is to admit you're a socialist.

It's wrong, it's always been wrong and should be stopped immediatley.

Also, all politicians should immediatley be removed from their fat cat retirement plans and join Social Security like the rest of us.

Then, Social Security should be phased out over time trying to impact the folks who ACTUALLY paid into it the least.

My .02



Military has to be paid.


My problem is and has always been personal property tax.

To tax a mans land , home, car every year is extortion by the state.



Isn't that, by definition, extortion as well?



No this should be the main reason for a federal government.

But who gets to decide how much must be paid to the military?
Should the military be forced to live within a budget?
Should foreign aid/global welfare be considered military spending?
How many years of a man's life (how much of each day) should be forcibly allocated to support the military?
...


Link Posted: 3/16/2011 10:31:03 AM EST
Originally Posted By ORIGINAL-Waterdog:
Originally Posted By DoberDude:
A mans labor is his personal property. Personal property should only be shared if the owner desires to do so.

To agree with income tax is to admit you're a socialist.

It's wrong, it's always been wrong and should be stopped immediatley.

Also, all politicians should immediatley be removed from their fat cat retirement plans and join Social Security like the rest of us.

Then, Social Security should be phased out over time trying to impact the folks who ACTUALLY paid into it the least.

My .02



Taxation is neccessary... period. It is the amount of taxation and what our representatives do with the revenue is the problem.

Our politicians have been bought and paid for. And not by fkn hippies and po black folk.

Globalist entities control DC with money and power.

You all can keep talking in circles about party and welfare that left, right, up, down, liberals capitalists, blah, blah, blah.

None of it means shit.

If you want to restore the Republic, you need to get those fkn lobbyists and their money out of DC and out of the pockets of those crooked fkrs we elect. Swappin out the crooked fkrs, for different crooked fkrs from a different political party hasn't done jack.



THIS
Link Posted: 3/16/2011 10:34:56 AM EST
Link Posted: 3/16/2011 10:35:11 AM EST
same thing applies to "temporary" taxes like some states that have sales tax will have a "temporary" sales tax increase, 20 years later it's still there.

Took what like 80 years to get rid of the tax on phone bills to pay for the Spanish-American War
Link Posted: 3/16/2011 10:36:00 AM EST
Originally Posted By speedracer422:
Well, that's what they said when the progressives enacted a Federal income tax almost 100 years ago


"They promised that it would never go above 7%, and the richest people would pay most of the taxes anyway. In this post we’re going to go through the history of the income tax and how the income tax has changed over the years despite it’s promises of making paying taxes simpler."


http://blog.voogru.com/2010/09/18/income-taxes-a-short-history-of-the-income-tax/





Speed


I give them partial credit.
Link Posted: 3/16/2011 10:37:16 AM EST
[Last Edit: 3/16/2011 10:38:52 AM EST by _DR]
Originally Posted By Sylvan:

Originally Posted By Zaphod:
Originally Posted By thermocafe:
The 19th Amendment was the Progressive's crowning achievement and sealed our Nation's fate.


Oh, boy.....


Its true.

Link Posted: 3/16/2011 10:39:39 AM EST
[Last Edit: 3/16/2011 10:40:44 AM EST by Dr_Dickie]

Originally Posted By John_Wayne777:
Originally Posted By ORIGINAL-Waterdog:
Swappin out the crooked fkrs, for different crooked fkrs from a different political party hasn't done jack.




Swapping out a democratic majority in the house for a Republican majority and swapping out senators has ensured that Obama agenda items like the massive healthcare atrocity won't pass. If you think that doesn't matter, then your grasp of the American political system can be charitably described as unsophisticated.

Well, in truth, historically it has just been a matter of degrees. Do you not think we would have SOME sort of healthcare bill that could morph into a single payer system if McCain had won?
With the advent of the Tea Party, there is finally some "push back," but many aren't holding their breath. We have nothing but history to go bye (pun intended), and that does not bode well long term.

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