Warning

 

Close

Confirm Action

Are you sure you wish to do this?

Confirm Cancel
Member Login

Arrow Left Previous Page
Page / 2
Posted: 12/13/2016 11:17:58 AM EST
[Last Edit: 12/13/2016 11:18:37 AM EST by Beamy]
Picked up one of these back in late October.

So far I've only put 100 rounds through it. No issues other than the SA trigger pull could be a little bit better.

Beretta sells a low profile decocker and slide release for it. Also I've read these are very easy to convert to decocker only.

Will it replace my Glock 17, 92FS, or CZ75B no. However I'm pretty impressed with it none the less.
Attachment Attached File
Link Posted: 12/13/2016 12:39:46 PM EST
not suppressor friendly


not for me
Link Posted: 12/13/2016 12:44:55 PM EST
Wife has the SC 9mm.  Nice little gun.  I definitely want to put the Stealth lever (I think that's what it's called?) on it; that's about my only gripe - the sharp, pointy edges of the safety.  
Link Posted: 12/13/2016 12:46:32 PM EST
Link Posted: 12/13/2016 12:56:03 PM EST
I've got a full size 9mm PX4 and its one of my favorite guns. 

Still looking to do a G conversion, and bummed that I didn't get one of Steve Bedair's guide rods before he passed away last year.  

Great guns, and I shoot mine way better than a Glock.   
Link Posted: 12/13/2016 1:08:14 PM EST
I've got one no problems with it and it shoots well.
Link Posted: 12/13/2016 1:22:32 PM EST
Sold a Para LDA 1911 to buy one for my dad for fathers day in 2007. He loves the gun. The compact is on a short list of guns I might buy in the near future.
Link Posted: 12/13/2016 1:30:21 PM EST
took a look on Beretta's website, besides the slide release and safety they also sell steel triggers, steel guide rods, and a target hammer and main spring for these.
Link Posted: 12/13/2016 2:06:17 PM EST
The full size 9mm is the one my wife settled on after shooting a lot of different guns. We share, I carry it often, shoots really really well. I think it's a pretty underrated pistol.
The decocker mod is pretty simple, no parts needed, just remove a spring and ball detent. Google+YouTube+mild mechanical aptitude = "G" model, worth it.
Link Posted: 12/13/2016 2:10:23 PM EST
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By dtha70:
not suppressor friendly


not for me
View Quote


This. I could have bought one last month for cheap but passed for the same reason.
Link Posted: 12/13/2016 2:26:31 PM EST
I bought a subcompact a couple months back. Decent pistol and I like the 13 + 1 capacity in such a small gun. The G conversion was super easy to do, but I still want to get some stealth levers for it. 

Link Posted: 12/13/2016 2:32:09 PM EST
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By JBecker_72:
I bought a subcompact a couple months back. Decent pistol and I like the 13 + 1 capacity in such a small gun. The G conversion was super easy to do, but I still want to get some stealth levers for it. 

https://s17.postimg.org/jh1nkih9b/IMG_2783.jpg
View Quote


Can you compare it to a G26 as far as handling, recoil characteristics, carryability etc?
Link Posted: 12/13/2016 2:42:25 PM EST
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By feudist:


Can you compare it to a G26 as far as handling, recoil characteristics, carryability etc?
View Quote View All Quotes
View All Quotes
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By feudist:
Originally Posted By JBecker_72:
I bought a subcompact a couple months back. Decent pistol and I like the 13 + 1 capacity in such a small gun. The G conversion was super easy to do, but I still want to get some stealth levers for it. 

https://s17.postimg.org/jh1nkih9b/IMG_2783.jpg


Can you compare it to a G26 as far as handling, recoil characteristics, carryability etc?
Size wise it's a little taller, but everywhere else is pretty similar. For recoil it is about average, not too snappy but it's not as smooth as other guns. I carry it IWB and don't have an issue. But I usually carry a P2000 which is a bit bigger. If you can carry something G19 sized you can definitely carry one of these easily. 

Overall it's a good gun if you like DA/SA pistols. 
Link Posted: 12/13/2016 4:13:42 PM EST
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By JBecker_72:
Size wise it's a little taller, but everywhere else is pretty similar. For recoil it is about average, not too snappy but it's not as smooth as other guns. I carry it IWB and don't have an issue. But I usually carry a P2000 which is a bit bigger. If you can carry something G19 sized you can definitely carry one of these easily. 

Overall it's a good gun if you like DA/SA pistols. 
View Quote


Thanks.
Link Posted: 12/13/2016 4:17:03 PM EST
Underrated it's a great gun , shot thousands of rounds through it , not an ounce of shit
Link Posted: 12/13/2016 4:18:46 PM EST
Call me crazy but the way I'd describe the PX4 is essentially a DA/SA Glock
Link Posted: 12/13/2016 4:24:12 PM EST
The PX4 Compact Carry is on my short list of wants after an M9A3 and Vertec Inox.
Link Posted: 12/13/2016 4:35:12 PM EST
I like the look and feel of these PX4's and after reading this thread, I might just do it. This and a Shield in 9mm.
Link Posted: 12/13/2016 4:42:39 PM EST
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By a79flhrider:
I like the look and feel of these PX4's and after reading this thread, I might just do it. This and a Shield in 9mm.
View Quote


Honestly my only gripe with mine is that the trigger pull in SA could be a little lighter, other than that I have no issues with mine.

They feel really comfortable in the hand as well
Link Posted: 12/13/2016 4:44:38 PM EST
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By John_Wayne777:
I have a compact. I've been very much anti-PX4, but Ernie Langdon has turned me around on them with his experience using the guns. He's put I think around 70,000 through PX4's to this point with no problems to speak of.

It was enough to make me go out and buy one. I've converted mine to decock-only, installed the 92F style levers on it, replaced the mainspring with a much lighter mainspring that still offers reliable ignition, and I've added the Talon grips. As soon as I get my holster for it I'm going to carry it as my primary carry gun.

If you're interested in going down the PX4 rabbit hole, click here:

https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?16519-The-PX4-Compact-might-be-my-DA-SA-Glock-19
View Quote

Thanks for the link. Lucky Gunner Ammo on youtube talks about it as his new AIWB pistol and it has piqued my interest.
Link Posted: 12/13/2016 5:25:52 PM EST
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By 556A2:
The PX4 Compact Carry is on my short list of wants after an M9A3 and Vertec Inox.
View Quote

That has been on my want list for a while as well.  Has it been released?  Last I looked (couple months ago?) I couldn't find any information on it.
Link Posted: 12/13/2016 6:27:19 PM EST
I don't own a PX4. I'm a 92/96 guy. If I wasn't invested into the mags and holster and have a number of 92s and 96s. I'd go PX4.
Link Posted: 12/13/2016 6:55:22 PM EST
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By Miami_JBT:
I don't own a PX4. I'm a 92/96 guy. If I wasn't invested into the mags and holster and have a number of 92s and 96s. I'd go PX4.
View Quote


Hence why it took me a while to buy one myself
Link Posted: 12/13/2016 6:58:15 PM EST
Link Posted: 12/13/2016 7:13:40 PM EST
I like mine....
Link Posted: 12/13/2016 7:17:41 PM EST
Love mine. Great handgun, just wish the trigger didn't suck so bad. 
Link Posted: 12/13/2016 7:33:42 PM EST
I bought a compact about 6-8 months ago.  It's become my carry gun and my favorite pistol.  I'm going to buy another one, although possibly the full size, after the first of the year. It's a really pleasant gun to shoot and very accurate.
Link Posted: 12/13/2016 7:35:38 PM EST
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By FDrifting:
Love mine. Great handgun, just wish the trigger didn't suck so bad. 
View Quote

Mine has a pretty good trigger, easily as good as other DA/SA guns I've owned and better than most. 
Link Posted: 12/13/2016 8:32:26 PM EST
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By Miami_JBT:
I don't own a PX4. I'm a 92/96 guy. If I wasn't invested into the mags and holster and have a number of 92s and 96s. I'd go PX4.
View Quote

they really should've kept the mags the same.
Link Posted: 12/13/2016 8:37:03 PM EST
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By bushmaster069:

they really should've kept the mags the same.
View Quote View All Quotes
View All Quotes
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By bushmaster069:
Originally Posted By Miami_JBT:
I don't own a PX4. I'm a 92/96 guy. If I wasn't invested into the mags and holster and have a number of 92s and 96s. I'd go PX4.

they really should've kept the mags the same.


I don't own any PX4s because they didn't.

I would own a few PX4s if they did.
Link Posted: 12/13/2016 8:45:09 PM EST
Good quality gun, just doesn't appeal to me

Love the 92 series though
Link Posted: 12/13/2016 8:55:05 PM EST
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By Beamy:


Hence why it took me a while to buy one myself
View Quote View All Quotes
View All Quotes
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By Beamy:
Originally Posted By Miami_JBT:
I don't own a PX4. I'm a 92/96 guy. If I wasn't invested into the mags and holster and have a number of 92s and 96s. I'd go PX4.


Hence why it took me a while to buy one myself

I fell in love with 'em when they first hit the market. I still want a full size 9mm, .40, and .45 PX4. But like I said. I'm right now just interested. Don't have the cash to spend on them when there are other toys I want. I do have to say that other than some agency issues they seem to be a good gun. I know a couple of PDs dropped them . I believe it was the Maryland State Police that had issues with them.

The South African Police Service just adopted them across the board to replace the Star BMs, Beretta 92s, Z88, RAP-9s, and SP1s in service. 
Link Posted: 12/13/2016 8:57:16 PM EST
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By Bassgasm:


I don't own any PX4s because they didn't.

I would own a few PX4s if they did.
View Quote View All Quotes
View All Quotes
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By Bassgasm:
Originally Posted By bushmaster069:
Originally Posted By Miami_JBT:
I don't own a PX4. I'm a 92/96 guy. If I wasn't invested into the mags and holster and have a number of 92s and 96s. I'd go PX4.

they really should've kept the mags the same.


I don't own any PX4s because they didn't.

I would own a few PX4s if they did.

Same here, but I understand why they didn't. The PX4 mag capacity is to compete with Glock. The older 92s competed against Hi-Powers, Sig P226s, and S&W Model 59s
Link Posted: 12/13/2016 9:02:42 PM EST


Link Posted: 12/13/2016 9:04:25 PM EST
[Last Edit: 12/13/2016 9:11:27 PM EST by John_Wayne777]
Link Posted: 12/13/2016 9:05:14 PM EST
Link Posted: 12/13/2016 9:07:43 PM EST
Link Posted: 12/13/2016 9:09:21 PM EST
Link Posted: 12/13/2016 9:09:46 PM EST
I like my 45
Link Posted: 12/13/2016 9:16:03 PM EST
Many do not appreciate the 92/M9 series.
When the Army adopted it,
It was not the gun operators were using.
It was in wimpy 9mm.
It was not the new gun operators went to.

If you were in the Rangers or Special Forces using beat to hell old 1911s with crappy even more beat magazines, the only thing you missed was the 45 ACP.

You now had twice the capacity in a pistol that was accurate and reliable with lots of new great magazines.

The gun was not perfect.
The size was not for everyone.
Front sight options were what you got.
Locking blocks in unserviced guns would fail.
Checkmate mags made to requested Army standards had issues in some conditions.
Concealed carry options were a compact that was not very compact and the centurion, even less compact.
Mag compatible subcompact became the 9000 with was not all that mag compatible, not as reliable as the 92,
With a horrible trigger,
And some guns with grip material issues,
Stupid snap opening grips instead of fixed base plates or mag extensions,
And a whole different manual of arms and controls.
And beretta was surprised it was not popular.

Early laser and light options did exist for the 92.
Instead of just making a railed version for more options,
A neat looking 90-two with some non compatible updates, slick grips held on by an edge of plastic, and a gay rail cover,
Surprised beretta by not being popular.

A more compact option than the 92, the cougar,
Came out. Using non 92 compatible magazines.
In a full sized version, a little seen compact version with some slide changes that messed up holster compatibility, a mini version you could not get a grip on, and stupid grip panels that went below the magwell,
Was reliable and had an interesting recoil reducing function, that messed up suppressor hosting,
But shared 92 manual of arms,
Again surprised beretta by not being popular.

At a time you think they would have introduced a polymer striker fired pistol,
A polymer frame for 92 uppers,
A more compact 92 series,
After a failed polymer frame pistol with snap open base plates,
A failed 92 non magazine compatible rotating barrel pistol,
A slick grip 92 update,
They combined polymer frame, non 92 mag compatibility,
Rotating barrel, and snap open base plates into one pistol,
The PX4.

And again seem surprised at its lack of popularity.

I put my money where my mouth is.

I have bought NIB 9mm versions of the full, compact, and sub compact versions.



The PX4 combines a polymer frame with a hammer fired DA/SA upper.
You basically have three options with SA pistols.
A super light SA trigger you active a safety for.
A varying striker type trigger,
Or a DA fist pull for SA light follow up pulls.
Each have their pros and cons.

The subcompact is a PX4 in looks only.
It uses a tilt non PX4 non rotating barrel design.
Length, height, width are subcompact ish but it has a huge overall volume. It is very chunky to carry.
Beretta states it is smooth for CC draw.
It is slick.
I may not want my CC guns as grippy as a game gun,
But I have put over 1000 rounds through this gun in dry and rainy conditions.
Beretta stats the innovative snap base plate conceals better but opens on the draw for a better grip.
I know of no serious shooter that wants moving parts shifting on their guns front grip on the draw.
Function has been 100% reliable with SC and fills sized mags with sleeves.
Grouping is acceptable.
At ten yards it was 4 ins he's low and two left.
The worst POI/POA of any NIB pistol I have taken to the range.
My opinion of a subcompact is the average size hand on the intrinsic grip or with baseplates like a Glock 26 you can get a full grip and it is double stack.

Thinner and shorter single stack non full grip I consider a sub sub compact or pocket pistol. The 9000 has a better length grip. The cougar L has a better length grip.
The controls are less ergonomic than a 92.

Anyways, I cannot say bad things about function and reliability, but I would not recommend this as a sub compact concealed carry.



The full sized is a joy to shoot.
Recoil is like a pellet gun.
But if you advertise a slick non catching sub compact for concealed carry, why does the full sized service pistol still feel like a wet bar of soap?
It is interesting.
Over a thousand rounds of full reliability. Accurate.
On target out of the box.
If your desire is a polymer framed, DA/SA full sized service pistol go for it.
It is an awesome compromise between a striker fired polymer gun and an all metal DA/SA gun. But it is just that, a compromise.
I would rather grab my Flock 17 or 92. There are things I like about each of those better.
There is not enough I like about the PX4 to choose it over either.

Now we move on the the compact.
It is a great sized gun except for the same huge amount of volume it occupies.
The dust cover / rail and tall slide just occupy a lot of space. It points better than a G19 and less recoil, but is not as overal sleek as it, a cougar L or 92c, at least the old non railed version.
And they introduce an ambi slide lock lever that makes it the widest of the PX4s.
Again, over one thousand reliable rounds fully reliable out of the box.



I, and many people I know,
Enjoy a fully integrated line of magazine compatible pistols in suppressor height night sight thread, to game guns, to service pistol, to compact, and to subcompact.

Most major manufacturers do this.
Beretta has not done it in the 92,
And cannot do it in the PX4.

Triggers were mediocre for a DA/SA gun.

Like a socialist doubling down on failed policies,
Beretta seems bent on repeating historical failures and doubling down on pushing this line of pistols.

Crappy trigger on the 9000, CX4, and ARX.

Little interest in 92 non mag compatible guns, being out more.

Little interest in rotating barrels, bring out another.

Success in other companies updating and expand their flagship like CZ, RAMI, polymer framed versions, etc. don't do it.

These are interesting, reliable guns.
Limited factory and after market options.
No pricing advantage.

Beretta is not Kel Tec,
But they have the same look cool/ innovative for the sake of it vibe going to me,
Vs pure function with it being ok to look sexy.
Link Posted: 12/13/2016 9:19:09 PM EST
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By Miami_JBT:

Same here, but I understand why they didn't. The PX4 mag capacity is to compete with Glock. The older 92s competed against Hi-Powers, Sig P226s, and S&W Model 59s
View Quote View All Quotes
View All Quotes
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By Miami_JBT:
Originally Posted By Bassgasm:
Originally Posted By bushmaster069:
Originally Posted By Miami_JBT:
I don't own a PX4. I'm a 92/96 guy. If I wasn't invested into the mags and holster and have a number of 92s and 96s. I'd go PX4.

they really should've kept the mags the same.


I don't own any PX4s because they didn't.

I would own a few PX4s if they did.

Same here, but I understand why they didn't. The PX4 mag capacity is to compete with Glock. The older 92s competed against Hi-Powers, Sig P226s, and S&W Model 59s


My 92A1 came from the factory with three 17 round magazines.

It would be really damn cool if those same magazines fit the PX4.
Link Posted: 12/13/2016 9:19:28 PM EST
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By John_Wayne777:


True enough...

But Mec-Gar now makes a really nice M9 magazine that holds 18 rounds for the 92 series pistols that is very durable and reliable. I own several and they've been GTG for me...and Langdon has been using them for a while with nothing but praise for them. The Mec-Gar M9 mag offers all the benefits of the USMC's mag spec, but with more bullets.
View Quote
Comparing a PX4 17 round mag and a 92A1 17 round mag, the PX4 is a bit thicker and shorter. They also are slightly harder to seat when loaded compared to the 92A1. 
Link Posted: 12/13/2016 10:14:58 PM EST
[Last Edit: 12/13/2016 10:15:56 PM EST by Tomac]
Carried a PX4 Compact 9mm for about a year, it was 100%. However...
Didn't care for the slide-mounted safety (which I converted to the G-model decock-only),
grip was too slick (added Talon tape),
bbl was awfully short for a gun that size,
rail was too short for anything but a micro light.

Good gun, but better options available for my needs.
Link Posted: 12/13/2016 10:30:01 PM EST
I have the full sized PX4's in both 9mm and 40S&W......and they are as nice to shoot as my 96 Centurian.

That's meant to be a compliment, BTW 
Link Posted: 12/13/2016 11:22:09 PM EST
I really do wonder why Beretta didn't adapt these to take 92 magazines
Link Posted: 12/13/2016 11:28:20 PM EST
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By Beamy:
I really do wonder why Beretta didn't adapt these to take 92 magazines
View Quote


To make more money.

The PX4 in 9mm was my first pistol. I put over 30k rounds through it taking classes, shooting IDPA, USPSA, and 3 gun matches, plus range sessions. It was my only EDC for a long time, it never malfunctioned, never stopped going.

Sold it to a friend who needed a pistol, he absolutely loves it.
Link Posted: 12/13/2016 11:31:23 PM EST
[Last Edit: 12/13/2016 11:35:15 PM EST by 0E8]
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By feudist:


Thanks.
View Quote View All Quotes
View All Quotes
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By feudist:
Originally Posted By JBecker_72:
Size wise it's a little taller, but everywhere else is pretty similar. For recoil it is about average, not too snappy but it's not as smooth as other guns. I carry it IWB and don't have an issue. But I usually carry a P2000 which is a bit bigger. If you can carry something G19 sized you can definitely carry one of these easily. 

Overall it's a good gun if you like DA/SA pistols. 


Thanks.

Everything he said minus it not being as smooth as other guns. The PX4 is noticeably smoother than other guns in its class. Only reason I don't carry one is im not a fan of the da/sa combo
Link Posted: 12/13/2016 11:39:19 PM EST
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By 0E8:

Everything he said minus it not being as smooth as other guns. The PX4 is noticeably smoother than other guns in its class. Only reason I don't carry one is im not a fan of the da/sa combo
View Quote

I ran a magazine through it tonight against a rotting pumpkin. You're right, it is smooth for its size. But the subcompact doesn't have a rotating barrel like the others do. So to me it's average in the recoil department. My P2000 is smoother. 
Link Posted: 12/13/2016 11:51:14 PM EST
I have a full size and CCW a compact. In my opinion it's one of the best guns on the market. Great controls, ergonomic, and very accurate. With the rotating barrel thing, double taps with it are like magic. Two holes appear on the target about an inch apart.
Have close to 10k rounds through my full size with no drama. Maybe 2k through the compact, still flawless. Absolutely one of the most underrated guns on the market.
Link Posted: 12/14/2016 6:44:58 AM EST
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By John_Wayne777:


True enough...

But Mec-Gar now makes a really nice M9 magazine that holds 18 rounds for the 92 series pistols that is very durable and reliable. I own several and they've been GTG for me...and Langdon has been using them for a while with nothing but praise for them. The Mec-Gar M9 mag offers all the benefits of the USMC's mag spec, but with more bullets.
View Quote View All Quotes
View All Quotes
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By John_Wayne777:
Originally Posted By Miami_JBT:

Same here, but I understand why they didn't. The PX4 mag capacity is to compete with Glock. The older 92s competed against Hi-Powers, Sig P226s, and S&W Model 59s


True enough...

But Mec-Gar now makes a really nice M9 magazine that holds 18 rounds for the 92 series pistols that is very durable and reliable. I own several and they've been GTG for me...and Langdon has been using them for a while with nothing but praise for them. The Mec-Gar M9 mag offers all the benefits of the USMC's mag spec, but with more bullets.

I know, but when Beretta came out with it. The Mec-Gar wasn't on the table yet. 
Link Posted: 12/14/2016 9:25:20 AM EST
I have to wonder why Beretta barely markets it.... granted the way the way they market the 92FS is saying hey this is what .mil uses

You'd think they'd actually try pushing their products harder
Arrow Left Previous Page
Page / 2
Top Top