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Posted: 1/4/2012 7:40:46 PM EDT
.......why does DeNeiro ( in the opening stages of the film) stash his pistol behind the crates.......

.......instead of carrying it on his person into the bar?


I understand this is just a movie...

.... and is written (for entertainment purposes only) by people without "warrior mindset", or probably without Military training.


That said, I've racked my brain in search of a good reason to go into that situation unarmed.

I really can't think of a good enough reason to go unarmed. Anybody have any opinions about this?

Am I right to think of that (stashing pistol, instead of carrying) as a bad move?
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 7:41:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/4/2012 7:44:12 PM EDT by RVAguy]
In case he was searched.

ETA: Once entering the bar through the front (having a chance to scan the inside area), he made his way to the back door, unlocked it and then positioned himself at the bar, closest to the back door.
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 7:42:36 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/4/2012 7:42:59 PM EDT by HunterGren]
The only reason I can see doing that would be if he wasn't supposed to show up armed & was worried about being searched. That way he could attempt to run out the back & try to grab it if he needed to.
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 7:42:59 PM EDT
When you know there's a good chance you'll be searched while under the gun, you stash on your planned escape route if SHTF.
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 7:43:16 PM EDT
Originally Posted By RVAguy:
In case he was searched.


Link Posted: 1/4/2012 7:44:04 PM EDT
Originally Posted By RVAguy:
In case he was searched.

That's what I always assumed. He was setting up a "Michael Corleone."
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 7:44:22 PM EDT
in case he was searched he could just pose as a dumb tourist who wanted a late night nip.
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 7:46:30 PM EDT
"I never walk into a place I don't know how to walk out of."
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 8:23:20 PM EDT
Gotcha, I thought of that too....but then I was like, "well, there's no police in the bar".

I wasn't thinking about him being searched by the other folks in the bar.
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 10:41:07 PM EDT
Ice skates, of course.
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 11:24:27 PM EDT
Originally Posted By KILLERB6:
Ice skates, of course.


Nah. He's blind.
Link Posted: 1/5/2012 2:33:32 AM EDT
He's being hired by very bad people who he was sent to kill (Shamus).

Assumed he would be searched and loose weapon in process.

If he was "renditioned" for any reason, it would most likely be out the backdoor to avoid bystanders.

Link Posted: 1/5/2012 2:46:55 AM EDT



I'm surprised he didn't spray all the bullets with teflon before he stashed the gun...













Link Posted: 1/5/2012 2:50:56 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Blue_Monkey:
"I never walk into a place I don't know how to walk out of."


This pretty much explains it.
Link Posted: 1/6/2012 7:36:17 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Billy_Dee:
Gotcha, I thought of that too....but then I was like, "well, there's no police in the bar".

I wasn't thinking about him being searched by the other folks in the bar.




The whole point of the movie is that all the operatives were former security services from their respective countries that were now mercenaries (Ronin). They would take the appropriate precautions when meeting someone new.
Link Posted: 1/6/2012 7:43:22 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/6/2012 7:44:13 AM EDT by 2506jet]
Originally Posted By Noname:



I'm surprised he didn't spray all the bullets with teflon before he stashed the gun...



Didn't want to really kilt anyone...


















Link Posted: 1/6/2012 8:50:53 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Evil_Ed:
Originally Posted By KILLERB6:
Ice skates, of course.


Nah. He's blind.


Marsellus Wallace's soul.
Link Posted: 1/6/2012 9:03:19 AM EDT
He could say he was just a drunk looking for a drink if the wheel chair guy gave bad intel and it wasn't the Irish waiting at the bar.

Link Posted: 1/6/2012 9:11:18 AM EDT

Originally Posted By chadintex:
Originally Posted By Evil_Ed:
Originally Posted By KILLERB6:
Ice skates, of course.


Nah. He's blind.


Marsellus Wallace's soul.
Boathouse paint.

Link Posted: 1/6/2012 9:11:21 AM EDT
Originally Posted By chadintex:
Originally Posted By Evil_Ed:
Originally Posted By KILLERB6:
Ice skates, of course.


Nah. He's blind.


Marsellus Wallace's soul.


Snapes killed Dumbledor.
Link Posted: 1/6/2012 9:14:03 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Evil_Ed:
Originally Posted By chadintex:
Originally Posted By Evil_Ed:
Originally Posted By KILLERB6:
Ice skates, of course.


Nah. He's blind.


Marsellus Wallace's soul.


Snapes killed Dumbledor.

He was a ghost...THE WHOLE TIME!
Link Posted: 1/6/2012 9:16:33 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Bushylover:

Originally Posted By Evil_Ed:
Originally Posted By chadintex:
Originally Posted By Evil_Ed:
Originally Posted By KILLERB6:
Ice skates, of course.


Nah. He's blind.


Marsellus Wallace's soul.


Snapes killed Dumbledor.

He was a ghost...THE WHOLE TIME!

It's his sled from when he was a kid.
Link Posted: 1/6/2012 9:22:03 AM EDT
Standard CIA Protocol, duh.
Link Posted: 1/6/2012 9:23:08 AM EDT
Originally Posted By PR361:
When you know there's a good chance you'll be searched while under the gun, you stash on your planned escape route if SHTF.


This, "I never walk into a place I don't know how to walk out of"
Link Posted: 1/6/2012 9:31:56 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Admiral_Crunch:

Originally Posted By Bushylover:

Originally Posted By Evil_Ed:
Originally Posted By chadintex:
Originally Posted By Evil_Ed:
Originally Posted By KILLERB6:
Ice skates, of course.


Nah. He's blind.


Marsellus Wallace's soul.


Snapes killed Dumbledor.

He was a ghost...THE WHOLE TIME!

It's his sled from when he was a kid.


Darth is Anakin, and Luke is his son, and Leia is his sister, and Yoda molests Wookies
Link Posted: 1/6/2012 9:34:51 AM EDT
"If there's doubt there's no doubt."
Link Posted: 1/6/2012 9:52:50 AM EDT
So, what was in the box?


Link Posted: 1/6/2012 9:55:07 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Capt_Tuttle:
So, what was in the box?




Have you not followed the subthread in this thread? Duh, it was a blind pair of ice skates that killed Dumbledor...but they were all dead to begin with.
Link Posted: 1/6/2012 9:57:35 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Indrid-Cold:
He's being hired by very bad people who he was sent to kill (Shamus).

Assumed he would be searched and loose weapon in process.

If he was "renditioned" for any reason, it would most likely be out the backdoor to avoid bystanders.


He never left. He was deep cover CIA. All of those people he "went to high school with"? Fellow deep cover agents.
Link Posted: 1/6/2012 9:59:23 AM EDT
This thread is definitely relevant to my interests.
Link Posted: 1/6/2012 10:01:12 AM EDT
Originally Posted By HunterGren:
The only reason I can see doing that would be if he wasn't supposed to show up armed & was worried about being searched. That way he could attempt to run out the back & try to grab it if he needed to.


to what end??
If the people in the bar expected him and he was supposed to be a soldier- wouldn't they expect him to have a gun??

It only makes sense if he went into a bar where they weren't expecting him and he has to pretend t be totally innocent. - and that's assuming the peopel in the bar would be hardcore enough to search a random stranger.
Link Posted: 1/6/2012 10:01:52 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Cromlech:
This thread is definitely relevant to my interests.

so you have a head like a box of frogs then
Link Posted: 1/6/2012 10:10:59 AM EDT
Originally Posted By AdviceDog:
Originally Posted By HunterGren:
The only reason I can see doing that would be if he wasn't supposed to show up armed & was worried about being searched. That way he could attempt to run out the back & try to grab it if he needed to.


to what end??
If the people in the bar expected him and he was supposed to be a soldier- wouldn't they expect him to have a gun??


And if the bar is a setup to grab him?

Layers upon layers. He wasn't worried about cops, or it just being a bar with no bad people in it. He was there, pretending to be one thing when he was really another. What if someone else was playing the same game?
Link Posted: 1/6/2012 10:15:26 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Keith_J:

Originally Posted By Indrid-Cold:
He's being hired by very bad people who he was sent to kill (Shamus).

Assumed he would be searched and loose weapon in process.

If he was "renditioned" for any reason, it would most likely be out the backdoor to avoid bystanders.


He never left. He was deep cover CIA. All of those people he "went to high school with"? Fellow deep cover agents.


I thought the premise of the movie was warriors without a master. Thus the title Ronin. If he was still in the CIA, the title of the movie wouldn't make sense.
Link Posted: 1/6/2012 10:29:57 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Renegade13B:
Originally Posted By Keith_J:

Originally Posted By Indrid-Cold:
He's being hired by very bad people who he was sent to kill (Shamus).

Assumed he would be searched and loose weapon in process.

If he was "renditioned" for any reason, it would most likely be out the backdoor to avoid bystanders.


He never left. He was deep cover CIA. All of those people he "went to high school with"? Fellow deep cover agents.


I thought the premise of the movie was warriors without a master. Thus the title Ronin. If he was still in the CIA, the title of the movie wouldn't make sense.


Yeah but you didn't know that til the end now did you?
Link Posted: 1/6/2012 10:34:20 AM EDT
This is a good thread.
Link Posted: 1/6/2012 10:37:27 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Renegade13B:
Originally Posted By Keith_J:

Originally Posted By Indrid-Cold:
He's being hired by very bad people who he was sent to kill (Shamus).

Assumed he would be searched and loose weapon in process.

If he was "renditioned" for any reason, it would most likely be out the backdoor to avoid bystanders.


He never left. He was deep cover CIA. All of those people he "went to high school with"? Fellow deep cover agents.


I thought the premise of the movie was warriors without a master. Thus the title Ronin. If he was still in the CIA, the title of the movie wouldn't make sense.

Would Deidre hire him if he had been openly in the CIA.
Link Posted: 1/6/2012 10:44:12 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/6/2012 10:45:21 AM EDT by stockshift]
Originally Posted By Renegade13B:
Originally Posted By Keith_J:

Originally Posted By Indrid-Cold:
He's being hired by very bad people who he was sent to kill (Shamus).

Assumed he would be searched and loose weapon in process.

If he was "renditioned" for any reason, it would most likely be out the backdoor to avoid bystanders.


He never left. He was deep cover CIA. All of those people he "went to high school with"? Fellow deep cover agents.


I thought the premise of the movie was warriors without a master. Thus the title Ronin. If he was still in the CIA, the title of the movie wouldn't make sense.


The Japanese legend of the 47 Ronin (which is cited in the movie) relates a tale of 47 retainers whose daimyo was executed under less than ideal circumstances. Those samurai became ronin (masterless samurai) and pretended to devolve into a degrading life of poverty and misfortune. However, it was all a ruse.

Years later all but one* of the ronin organized an assault upon their master's betrayer and killed him. Afterwards, they committed ritual suicide. The story became legend in Japan.

To all onlookers, the 47 ronin were masterless because they had no liege. However, they secretly remained true to their (deceased) liege. It fits with being a 'deep cover' agent of the CIA in a small way.

*: Allegedly one of the 47 ronin was late or missed the attack altogether. I don't know if this is historical fact or not. The Japanese movie "Chushingura" is a quality film that can shed more light on the story of the 47 Ronin.

Link Posted: 1/6/2012 10:46:26 AM EDT
He needed a plan B in case of ambush by a cup of coffee.
Link Posted: 1/6/2012 10:47:20 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Keith_J:

Originally Posted By Renegade13B:
Originally Posted By Keith_J:

Originally Posted By Indrid-Cold:
He's being hired by very bad people who he was sent to kill (Shamus).

Assumed he would be searched and loose weapon in process.

If he was "renditioned" for any reason, it would most likely be out the backdoor to avoid bystanders.


He never left. He was deep cover CIA. All of those people he "went to high school with"? Fellow deep cover agents.


I thought the premise of the movie was warriors without a master. Thus the title Ronin. If he was still in the CIA, the title of the movie wouldn't make sense.

Would Deidre hire him if he had been openly in the CIA.


Everyone she hired had a past. It was my understanding that everyone she hired, including Sam, was a former agent of some organization. No one was open about their past in that movie.
Link Posted: 1/6/2012 10:49:03 AM EDT
Originally Posted By stockshift:
Originally Posted By Renegade13B:
Originally Posted By Keith_J:

Originally Posted By Indrid-Cold:
He's being hired by very bad people who he was sent to kill (Shamus).

Assumed he would be searched and loose weapon in process.

If he was "renditioned" for any reason, it would most likely be out the backdoor to avoid bystanders.


He never left. He was deep cover CIA. All of those people he "went to high school with"? Fellow deep cover agents.


I thought the premise of the movie was warriors without a master. Thus the title Ronin. If he was still in the CIA, the title of the movie wouldn't make sense.


The Japanese legend of the 47 Ronin (which is cited in the movie) relates a tale of 47 retainers whose daimyo was executed under less than ideal circumstances. Those samurai became ronin (masterless samurai) and pretended to devolve into a degrading life of poverty and misfortune. However, it was all a ruse.

Years later all but one* of the ronin organized an assault upon their master's betrayer and killed him. Afterwards, they committed ritual suicide. The story became legend in Japan.

To all onlookers, the 47 ronin were masterless because they had no liege. However, they secretly remained true to their (deceased) liege. It fits with being a 'deep cover' agent of the CIA in a small way.

*: Allegedly one of the 47 ronin was late or missed the attack altogether. I don't know if this is historical fact or not. The Japanese movie "Chushingura" is a quality film that can shed more light on the story of the 47 Ronin.



They must have had good benefits to be that dedicated. Matching 401 or something.
Link Posted: 1/6/2012 10:55:12 AM EDT
Originally Posted By RePp:
Originally Posted By stockshift:
The Japanese legend of the 47 Ronin (which is cited in the movie) relates a tale of 47 retainers whose daimyo was executed under less than ideal circumstances. Those samurai became ronin (masterless samurai) and pretended to devolve into a degrading life of poverty and misfortune. However, it was all a ruse.

Years later all but one* of the ronin organized an assault upon their master's betrayer and killed him. Afterwards, they committed ritual suicide. The story became legend in Japan.

To all onlookers, the 47 ronin were masterless because they had no liege. However, they secretly remained true to their (deceased) liege. It fits with being a 'deep cover' agent of the CIA in a small way.

*: Allegedly one of the 47 ronin was late or missed the attack altogether. I don't know if this is historical fact or not. The Japanese movie "Chushingura" is a quality film that can shed more light on the story of the 47 Ronin.



They must have had good benefits to be that dedicated. Matching 401 or something.


It is a little known fact that the 47th ronin was late to the attack due to an incident at the Tokugawa-era equivalent of Ryan's Steakhouse. True story.

Link Posted: 1/6/2012 10:56:30 AM EDT
He was in a state where CCW isn't allowe in bars.
Link Posted: 1/6/2012 11:00:34 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Noname:



I'm surprised he didn't spray all the bullets with teflon before he stashed the gun...



Link Posted: 1/6/2012 11:00:39 AM EDT
Originally Posted By RePp:
Originally Posted By stockshift:
Originally Posted By Renegade13B:
Originally Posted By Keith_J:

Originally Posted By Indrid-Cold:
He's being hired by very bad people who he was sent to kill (Shamus).

Assumed he would be searched and loose weapon in process.

If he was "renditioned" for any reason, it would most likely be out the backdoor to avoid bystanders.


He never left. He was deep cover CIA. All of those people he "went to high school with"? Fellow deep cover agents.


I thought the premise of the movie was warriors without a master. Thus the title Ronin. If he was still in the CIA, the title of the movie wouldn't make sense.


The Japanese legend of the 47 Ronin (which is cited in the movie) relates a tale of 47 retainers whose daimyo was executed under less than ideal circumstances. Those samurai became ronin (masterless samurai) and pretended to devolve into a degrading life of poverty and misfortune. However, it was all a ruse.

Years later all but one* of the ronin organized an assault upon their master's betrayer and killed him. Afterwards, they committed ritual suicide. The story became legend in Japan.

To all onlookers, the 47 ronin were masterless because they had no liege. However, they secretly remained true to their (deceased) liege. It fits with being a 'deep cover' agent of the CIA in a small way.

*: Allegedly one of the 47 ronin was late or missed the attack altogether. I don't know if this is historical fact or not. The Japanese movie "Chushingura" is a quality film that can shed more light on the story of the 47 Ronin.



They must have had good benefits to be that dedicated. Matching 401 or something.


Spit-food-out funny. Thanks.

Link Posted: 1/6/2012 11:02:27 AM EDT
Originally Posted By caexpat:
Originally Posted By AdviceDog:
Originally Posted By HunterGren:
The only reason I can see doing that would be if he wasn't supposed to show up armed & was worried about being searched. That way he could attempt to run out the back & try to grab it if he needed to.


to what end??
If the people in the bar expected him and he was supposed to be a soldier- wouldn't they expect him to have a gun??


And if the bar is a setup to grab him?

Layers upon layers. He wasn't worried about cops, or it just being a bar with no bad people in it. He was there, pretending to be one thing when he was really another. What if someone else was playing the same game?


If they were going to grab him- I think the gun would be more useful if he had it on him, instead of stashed in the alley.
Link Posted: 1/6/2012 11:06:55 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Blue_Monkey:
"I never walk into a place I don't know how to walk out of."


"Then why are ya gettin' into that van?"

"You know the reason"

Link Posted: 1/6/2012 11:15:30 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/6/2012 11:16:06 AM EDT by Alien]
Originally Posted By Noname:
I'm surprised he didn't spray all the bullets with teflon before he stashed the gun...


Holy shit that's a lot of line breaks that I had to erase.

Anyway, are you kidding?! They'd go through the magazine and gun!


Link Posted: 1/6/2012 11:17:49 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/6/2012 11:18:13 AM EDT by GunnyG]

Originally Posted By Renegade13B:
Originally Posted By Keith_J:

Originally Posted By Indrid-Cold:
He's being hired by very bad people who he was sent to kill (Shamus).

Assumed he would be searched and loose weapon in process.

If he was "renditioned" for any reason, it would most likely be out the backdoor to avoid bystanders.


He never left. He was deep cover CIA. All of those people he "went to high school with"? Fellow deep cover agents.


I thought the premise of the movie was warriors without a master. Thus the title Ronin. If he was still in the CIA, the title of the movie wouldn't make sense.

Hey... it was 1998. Bill was in the oval office. I think we could have been considered to be lacking a master.... kind of like now.
Link Posted: 1/6/2012 11:20:29 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Indrid-Cold:
He's being hired by very bad people who he was sent to kill (Shamus Seamus).

Assumed he would be searched and loose weapon in process.

If he was "renditioned" for any reason, it would most likely be out the backdoor to avoid bystanders.



Fixed spelling cause I am bored at work. Until seeing the credits, I would have spelled it that way too.

Rob
Link Posted: 1/6/2012 11:21:36 AM EDT
this was posted on the front door. It helped make the city safe

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