In 1997, a year before Stokely Carmicheal (Kwame Toure) died, Cornell University "honored" him as one of the Radical Militant Black Panthers who, along with a hundred other black radical/terrorists armed with machine guns, invaded and took control of Cornell's Administration building and held the University President hostage at gunpoint for a day and a half.  The President, with a gun to his head, agreed to begin the Black Studies programs there and hire more black radicals as faculty. These terrorists are now considered "revolutionaries" in the Black community and are widely honored and praised for their violent tactics.

From Cornell Univ. press release April 1997:
[i]"Kwame Ture, formerly Stokely Carmichael,leading spokesman for the Black Power Movement of the 1960s gave a talk at Cornell titled, "28 Years After the Takeover: Developing a National Black Student Agenda."
Ture's talk [b]commemorated[/b] [shock] the occupation of Cornell's student union, Willard Straight Hall, for 36 hours on April 19, 1969, by approximately 100 African American students. The takeover followed months of unrest over issues concerning minority education and race relations on campus and seized the nation's attention, becoming for many people [b]an enduring symbol of black student activism[/b]."[/i]

THIS is how far the Black Community has "progressed" in the last 30yrs.  To HONOR and COMMEMORATE a violent, armed  terrorist action as an "enduring symbol of black student activism"!!

source: [url=http://www.news.cornell.edu/releases/April97/stokely.jkg.html]Cornell Univ.[/url]
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After he died, a eulogy was given to honor Kwame Toure at Purdue University:
A TRIBUTE TO KWAME TOURE/STOKELY CARMICHAEL: THE LIFE AND STRUGGLE OF A REVOLUTIONARY WARRIOR
"Toure and the Panthers were socialists and internationalists, Toure’s Pan-Africanism clashed with the Panthers’ more traditional Marxist-Leninism, which allowed the development of coalitions with white radicals.//Toure strongly opposed coalitions with white individuals and organizations. //

Like many black activists of the 1960s, Toure’s political ideas and ideologies changed. During his early 1960s years at Howard University, he believed in the basic tenants of reformist or liberal integrationism. And as the head of SNCC, Toure stood at the side of the Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr., and the Southern Christian Leadership Conference(SCLC) in the struggle for black civil rights. However, his frustration with the slow pace of reforms within the American political system, and his growing resistance to King’s nonviolent social protest methodology in the face of vicious white terrorism, provided the impetus for Toure to embrace the more aggressive "Black Power" doctrine as the rallying cry of younger black radicals. Toure’s break with King precipitated the radicalization and increased militancy of the Civil Rights Movement in the late 1960s.// Long live Kwame Toure!"

Dr. Floyd W. Hayes, III
Department of Political Science
[url=http://www.purdue.edu/bcc/library/haytur.htm]Purdue University[/url]

It's funny how the statement "vicious white terrorism" is given to excuse the militant extremism of the Black Panthers.

continued...

As later recalled in a book about the takeover("Cornell '69:Liberalism and the Crisis of the American University" by Donald Downs):

Student takeovers were common on campuses in the '60s, of course. But Straight Hall that day is terrifyingly distinctive: "Oh, my God, look at those goddamned guns!" shouts an AP photographer as the students walk out of the building. Several hold guns, and a leader wears bandoliers filled with ammunition. No shots are fired. But this is the first time guns have been introduced into a campus conflict, which shocks many Americans. And that defining day lodges itself deep in the memory of many Cornellians.

[url=http://www.news.wisc.edu/view.html?get=1187]Univ. Wisconsin[/url]


[b]Just one of the historical insights into Black History you probably won't hear about this month - or ever.[/b]

When is White history month?  I keep forgetting.  [;)]

[@:D]
a criminal is a criminal unless it is a black criminal, then they are oppressed, misunderstood, disadvantaged, yada, yada.
[soapbox]
there is no 'white' history.  the pc liberals have re-written history so that there is nothing that any white has done worthy of mention except the oppression of the poor blacks that were sold into slavery by other glorious blacks.  white - like guns - is baaad.  any significant achievements in this country have been by the oppressed black hyphenated americans.  soon white will be banned as a color.
yes, i am tired of the pc crap and of every frickin month being 'black something/somebody' month.  everytime my kids come home from school and we talk about the lastest black something celebration at school, i ask when is white cracker month at school.
i seldom give race a second thought, but i am begining to get pissed off.
[soapbox]
thanx for bringin it up...

[shock]What?  We'd be RACISTS if we had a [i]white[/i] history month!  We can't even be PROUD to be [i]white[/i] if we're not part of the KKK, don't you know?  [;)]

December 1st. 00:00:00.001 to 00:00:00.002

Av.

But why should we have that?

We haven't been mistreated for hundreds and hundreds of years and are still victims of racism today. We are so misfortunate, mistreated, unrecognized, etc, etc... yadda, yadda...

sound familiar? I'm quite tired of it actually[rolleyes]

we cant have white history month because whitey is the devil, i thought we all knew that

So we should feel bad since we took the country over from the Indians and England!?!?

WTF? The French and Spanish also controlled parts of the country. Should we apologize to them? Survival of the fittest IMHO.

Anyway, my family only come over in the 1940's from Germany and Poland after WW2.

[sarcasm]How do I get the American government to reimburse me for pain and suffering since some family members were lost to American soldiers? [/sarcasm]

Av.

It's called affirmative action on parade.
netrig, how about being white for one week and try getting a federal job, or admitted into a college that uses affirmative action quotas or have your construction company be denied a federal contract because it is white owned.
It may be the shortest month, but it still is a MONTH long !!

He's right, I think some people here need to re-read the biography of Malcolm X

The fact still remains that affirmative action is legalized RACISM !! You cannot fix the problem of racism by using racism to do it.
Level the playing field for all people regardless of who they are or whatever else you might use to classify a person as and use the legal system to prosecute those who commit racist acts.

[b]Netrig[/b] if you're going to lift (i.e. plagiarize) entire articles from somewhere, at least cite the source and a link if possible.

As far as SAT and black/white admissions, then why is Univ. Calif. dropping SAT in its admission criteria?  If SAT is, as you point out, useful in distinguishing high and low quality students, why is UC dropping it?

Hint: it's because, on average, black applicants fall far behind other races on the test.  It makes blacks "look" worse that whites/asians and shows how horribly-educated most inner-city blacks are. (not good for teacher's unions to have their black students not go to college). But for the ones that do make it to a high quality school, the black/white gap diminshes (as you state).

preach it spectre.
if all they want is to be "equal"  o.k., fine let's end all of the government sponsored programs, affirmative action etc.... let's take race off of applications...............oh, don't think that's fair, thought so.  bitch, bitch, bitch.  where is "African America" at anyway?  I don't call myself "German American" I'm an American.

Keep Hope Alive!

I predict that we'll have a white history month as soon as the "Non-H1B Visa worker apprecition day" becomes a holiday.

I didn't mean to sound like a Kard Karrying Klan member or anything, it's just that in the area i live in (Detroit), i am supposed to feel ashamed or something because i'm white.  being an LEO, i get informed daily that i am a racist for god forbid, doing my job.  when i reply to the individual that immediately feels the need to label me a racist, i usually reply, "look aroud you, i don't see any Koreans or Brazilians trying to steal vehicles in front of me, how could i single you out?.  (off my soap box) it WAS an intelligent argument anyway, netrig.

And what society are YOU from?  Are you a native of the Arapesh people of Papua New Guinea? Were you living in their society, working with stone tools and living in mudhuts, until you only recently moved to America? If so, I understand your frustration with adapting to American society.

Or were you born into the American society like me?  Did you attend a lower-class public school and watch cartoons on Saturday morning TV as a kid like me?  You did? Well how 'bout this...

Did you have to hide in in your basement as a kid like me during the Detroit riots of '67 because you were white and Black Panthers were armed and marching just a few blocks away, threatening to start "killing white babies", while liberals condoned thier "struggle"?

Were you ever LEGALLY rejected for a job as a University faculty member like me because you were told right to your face that "we need a minority".    

Were you ever LEGALLY declined scholarship after scholarship like me because you were a "white male" not a black, hispanic, puerto rican, latino, chicano or any other non-white race?

To all those bleeding-heart race-baiters out there who think affimative action is "progress" [b]YOU CAN KISS MY LILLY WHITE ASS"[/B]

Oh please,
The poor oppressed white man?
I hear this anti-black crap everywhere. Give it a break. You act like whites don't get credit for anything anymore. SO what if there is a black history month.
I guess everybody forgot how it took federal laws to get whites to stop treating blacks like animals and actually allow them a chance to be equal. It didn't take federal laws to allow whites to prosper. Whites will always be better off than any other race in this country because they have had a several hundred year head start.
If i get banned from this site for voicing my opinion then so be it.
I am sick of hearing the  poor me I am a white man whining.

I hear blacks saying that crap too and I tell them to grow up. Blacks don't need reparations, and not everything is a racial attack against blacks.
Yeah the crap exists, but why feed it?

Oh yeah, I also think affirmative action is an insult to both blacks and whites. I got loans to pay back for my education. and like many others of all colors I am laid off.

I should try [u]WHAT[/u]?  Who the FUCK are YOU to give ME advice?  

So you stick your hand out, grab some money from some "whitey-banker-lender" as a loan, go to school [b]on his nickel[/b] then start preaching about how you "made it on your own" while you still owe "whitey" for your education?  

I worked for and earned every nickel BEFORE I spent it on MY education.  [/u]My education[/u] was bought and paid for [u]by ME[/u] and no one else!!
[b]I OWE NOBODY![/b]

YOU should try that - then you can open your big fat under-edjumacated, can't-spell-worth-a-damn, latent-racist, hypocritical, self-righteous, idiocy-spewing mouth.  

[b]Yeahhh... 'swot I thot, mofo.  Awl fuk-U-up!![/b]

Ok, sorry. Need to think before typing.

Not called for man!  I happen to know several highly logical, intelligent black men.
 
[b]DO NOT let a thread THAT I STARTED degrade into this![/b] [;D]

I kick some ass where I see it needs (netrig) but you are way over the line. Not cool.

I think it is April 15th, when our payments are due.....fullclip

It's amazing what a horse's ass you can be at times.  I will remind you that no man is an island and that you did not spring fully formed from your father's forehead.  People did help you along the way, starting with your parents and then others along the way.  Perhaps you should avert your eyes from the glare of your own magnificence for a moment.  You went to a public school on somebody else's dime, just for starters.

p.s. Criticizing spelling ranks right up there with making fun of screen names in the ways of destroying the credibility of one's arguments.

Examine the context and you'll understand my point.  It's obvious I was talking about loan-debt.  Netrig made a point of bragging about being a self-made man, all the while still in debt for his school.  Then had the gall to tell me what I should do.  Idiotic hypocrisy.

As far as ad hominem attacks - Guilty-as-charged [b]Golgo-13[/b]. I get certainly riled up sometimes, I do admit.

I wish people should be judged by the "Content of their character, not the color of their Skin"..   Sounds like a even playing field to me.

How can someone who posts this:

[b]"It is imposible to try and catch up to a society that has a 1500 year head start on you."
[/b]
and this:
[b]
"I do not hold anyone responsible for my prior condition and I hold only myself responsible for my current condition."
[/b]
and this:
[b]
"I am not for or against any program that classifies by race."
[/b]
all in the [u]same[/u] thread be "spot on"? [whacko]

Clearly this is going to be a touchy subject, so I'll try not to tread on too many toes here...(first time for everything! [;D]  )

I see that, in general, in the state I live in (Florida) 80 percent of the population in jail at any given time is likely to be black, while statewide, blacks are less than 20 percent of the population.

There's something vaguely disturbing about that picture, don't you think?

The civil rights movement came to a boil and matters were essentially solved (from a legal perspective) by the early 70's.  So it's been at least thirty years.  A new generation, and a half.  This new 1.5 generations has not yet resulted in what I can call a stable black community.  Illegitimate children are par for the course, fathers are absentees or worse, drug and alcohol abuse is rampant,  criminal activity is high and has been so for years, and so many of these people are living off food stamps and welfare, and are SATISFIED to live like that, that I can't believe that there's a simple solution.   Once I was working in a store when a black man came in and started talking to my employer, and he said, and I quote:  "I gots my welfare check, I gots my foodstamps, I gots it MADE."   I'm not a violent man, but the most overriding desire overcame me:  The desire to take those foodstamps and that welfare check and shove it so far up his ass  that he could feel my wrist watch scraping his tonsils on the way out.  

How DARE anyone come to EXPECT my tax contribution to the welfare and foodstamps programs as his due, rather than as a relief measure in between times of employement?! [pissed]   GET A DAMNED JOB!!!

Every ethnic group that comes to America invariably joins in the great American experience with a smile on their lips and a willingness to work hard and make it work.  Every ethnic group save ONE.   Germans, Irish, English, Spanish, French, Russian, Italian, Albanian, Iranian, Czechoslovokian, Japanese, Chinese, Korean...they ALL join wholeheartedly in the Great American Melting Pot (or in Texas they'd call it the Great American Chili!), but...the blacks don't seem to do that.
Not like the other ethnic groups, anyway.

They are more inclined to remain separate and not try to merge with the culture around them.
They're not 'team players' like the others.  I question their average work ethic.

I'm not saying there aren't some great black Americans.  There are.  I can think of several that are outstanding Americans, regardless of color.  Colin Powell leads off the list.  If it weren't for his gun views, I'd support him in a Presidential bid.   Several great actors.  James Earl Jones.  Whoopi Goldberg.  Will Smith.   And so on.  These are good people I'd be glad to have over for dinner sometime.

But there are too many blacks who fall far short of my most basic standards of human decency and behavior, and I wonder what the problem is.

And then I turn to the words of Dr. William Shockley...you look it up.

CJ

Quoted:
"But there are too many [s]blacks[/s] [b]people[/b] who fall far short of my most basic standards of human decency and behavior, and I wonder what the problem is."
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I've taken the liberty to illustrate where some of the problem lies.

[b][size=3]Store Apologizes For Ill-Timed Chicken Promotion[/size=3][/b]



Official Says Promotion Only Ran At One Store

[i]Posted: 7:55 a.m. EST February 6, 2002
Updated: 8:14 a.m. EST February 6, 2002[/i]

HARRISBURG, Penn. -- The Giant Food Stores company is apologizing for a Black History Month promotion involving fried chicken at one of its supermarkets.

The chain's Union Deposit store in Dauphin County, Penn., advertised a sale on fried chicken -- in honor of Black History Month.

The store had a sign saying "In honor of Black History Month, we at Giant are offering a special savings on fried chicken.''

An official at Giant said that it was only at that one store. He said a customer had complained about the sign and it's been taken down.

Customer Lance Sellers said that he was shocked by the sign, but said when he approached the store manager, the manager asked why it was offensive.

Paula Harris of the area chapter of the NAACP said the sign reinforces racist stereotypes.

Harris said "Not all African Americans eat fried chicken, greens and chitlins. We like salad, roast beef, low-fat chicken, just like everybody else.''


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The_MaCallan, your point would be valid but for the statistics I mentioned:  In a state that's less than 20 percent black, the jail population is 80 percent black.

Yes, there are too many people who fall far short of my basic expectations of a human being. No ethnic group is immune, not even my own.  We have enough white trailer trash in this county to prove that without a problem!   But still more blacks fall short of my expectations, and they're the minority!

I don't condemn anyone for their ethnic group.  I do my best to treat people by the golden rule. I don't care what the color of your skin is, or what religion you follow, all I care about is how you treat me, and your fellow man.  I have seen enough to form my opinion, and my opinion is that the blacks in the area that I live and work in are less likely to meet my standards than any other ethnic group, by percentages and probability.    I didn't make them act like that, either.

They DO have a choice, and a chance. Just as I did.  Stay in school, keep out of trouble, mind your mother (and father, if available), and become someone you can be proud of...and that others can be proud of.    I won't allow it to hurt me, though, if they can't achieve this reasonable goal.

CJ

Much of the reason for the problems that are magnified in the black community come from the "leadership" of the black community.  
This is the point of my thread.

How can blacks improve "their" problems when more and more of their leaders sound like radical ex-Black Panthers like Stokely Carmichael was?  

How can Cornell and Purdue and NAACP and all other institutions expect to help blacks when they now actually honor and commemmorate the most destructive elements of their people?

The BIG LIES being perpetrated upon the blacks are actually coming from those radical militant blacks who are becoming their national leaders.  
Historical revisionism, especially black-historical revisionism like my original posts illustrate, are leading large segments of the black community away from any hope of progress.  What's left is what we see - hugely disproportionate crime, illiteracy, illegitimacy, and poverty.  And LOTS of growing extremism among the black "leadership" as well.  
Not a very good combination.

Ever heard this phrase before?





"No Irish Need Apply."






The defense rests.

Sometimes you guys just go way overboard with the personal attacks. There is no need for it. We can talk about "race" and not resort to tantrums and whining.
Here's some "fun facts" off the top of my head.
February was at one time "National History Month." "Black History Week" was done during "National History Month." February was not picked to slight Blacks.
Fried Chicken, grits, collared greens and water melons are examples of southern cuisine, not simply foods relegated to one ethnicity.  Poor Southern Whites also ate these things as well as the rest of us.
Governments, companies and corporations on the "Dow Jones Industrial Averages" get loans all the time. There is nothing shamful about it. In fact, one of the ways the Federal Reserve increases the money supply is to create the conditions whereby banks want to loan money.

Now go back and have a civilised discussion about "race." [:D]

[soapbox]
Now why did I know that this particular topic would come up at this time?
Yes, I think it is good that we can have an intelligent dialogue regarding the racial issue --- it shows that this country has improved a great deal over 200+ years in how people of different backgrounds relate to each other. Some of the points mentioned also indicate that we, as a people, still have a LONG way to go. That's right --- the problem we have is not with the country, and the ideals that it was built upon, but with the PEOPLE who live in it!! Everybody is so wrapped up in gaining their own little "ethnic" bit of the American dream that we overlook the fact that there are those who revel in our in-fighting, and interpret it as a sign of weakness. If Al-Qaida were to come to my neighborhood and start killing Americans, are they are going to see me as a "fellow victim of oppression under the corrupt American regime", embrace me with open arms and spare my life? HELL NO!! They will just go ahead and blow my f***ing black [b]AMERICAN[/b] head off!!
[b]It is important to talk about this, BUT THERE ARE MUCH MORE IMPORTANT THINGS TO CONCERN OURSELVES WITH AT THIS TIME!![/b]

Here endeth the ranting...

OT, but,,,
did anyone listen to [b]this[/b] guy speak on CNN Sunday?
Hell, I'm starting to like him!


[img]http://www.bondinfo.org/newsevents/newsevents/repjj/3rdrepjj.gif[/img]
Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson, Founder of BOND, the Brotherhood Organization of A New Destiny ("Rebuilding the Family By Rebuilding the Man"), is sponsoring the "Third Annual National Day of Repudiation of Jesse Jackson." This event is held annually on the day Dr. Martin Luther King's birthday is celebrated (the Third Annual Event will take place Monday, January 21, 2002, from 12 noon till 2 PM PST, and will be held every year until Jesse Jackson "repents of his wrongs.") Location: In front of Jackson's Rainbow/PUSH offices at 5750 Wilshire BLVD., Los Angeles, CA

"Jesse Jackson is desperate and out of control," said Rev. Peterson. "Jackson has recently attempted to undermine the Bush Administration and the 'War on Terrorism' by trying to negotiate with the Taliban. Jackson is currently attempting to 'shakedown' corporations like Toyota Motors to enrich himself and his cronies. He doesn't care about poor blacks, or any other Americans. He has pit black against white, poor against rich, and his brand of exploitation has set race relations back fifty years-- we're saying no more! We are calling on all Americans of goodwill to stand against racist demagogues of every color."

Rev. Peterson is asking all that can help to please do so. The best ways are these: 1. Financial Contributions. 2. Subscribe to our BOND Newsletter. It's a unique, excellent publication, and your subscription payment will be used to help finance this effort. 3. If you're not able to support us financially, you can help us in other ways, such as helping get the word out. We will need plenty of support. We will be happy to send you a free copy of our BOND Newsletter, and information on the "Third Annual National Day of Repudiation."
[url]http://www.bondinfo.org/newsevents/newsevents/repjj/repjj02.htm[/url]

[url]http://www.saf.org/pub/rkba/Madison/F97Madison.html[/url]

"The editorial begin with a short history lesson in California gun control. Several years ago, so-called "‘Assault weapons’ were the guns of choice among criminal gangs. Big, expensive, accurate rifles were the problem, and a ban was the answer."

"The anti-gun crowd now contends the problem is -- small, inexpensive, inaccurate pistols, and a ban is the answer," continues the editorial. And then something very prophetic is revealed. "Next, of course, the problem will be medium sized, mid-priced, fairly accurate weapons." Leading to a complete ban on guns.

Upon returning the current proposal, banning affordable guns, the editorial then reported about the outcome of a press conference by local politicians. An African-American leader named Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson, "Head of a central Los Angeles self-help group called the Brotherhood Organization of a New Destiny, asked the gun snatching officials how many of them lived in the inner city. No on raised a hand."

The Review Journal praised Rev. Peterson for scolding officials by informing them that, "We are good citizens, and we cannot protect ourselves because you allow criminals to run wild. I’d like you to come to the inner city for a week and see the importance of a weapon."

The editorial concluded with another great history lesson involving the need for guns during the LA riots in 1992 and how the NRA, "Chartered gun clubs for Blacks in the South at a time when the Ku Klux Klan waged war against integration and burned homes. Strangely enough, the KKK didn’t mess with blacks who were armed."

"Conservative Black Leader Alleges Assault by Jesse Jackson's Son

Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson, head of the Brotherhood Organization for a New Destiny, was allegedly assaulted by the son of Rev. Jesse Jackson after a verbal confrontation with Rev. Jackson at a meeting with Toyota executives on Monday.

B.O.N.D. officials described the altercation in a press release Tuesday afternoon, which is said to have taken place at a Los Angeles Trade Bureau Forum Meeting at the L.A. Chamber of Commerce - where Toyota executives were unveiling their "21st Century Diversity Strategy."

Rev. Jackson was a featured speaker.

Rev. Peterson drew a hostile response from the audience when, during a question and answer session, he asked whether conservative blacks would be locked out of Toyota training programs arranged as a result of Jackson's threatened boycott of the car maker earlier this year.

"After several heated verbal exchanges between Rev. Peterson and Rainbow/PUSH officials, Jesse Jackson jumped in the fray by calling Rev. Peterson and other black conservatives 'parasites, who show up after someone else shakes the fruit off the trees,'" B.O.N.D. officials claimed.

"What followed could only be described as fireworks as Rev. Peterson laid into Jackson for his snide personal attack; the two were sitting five feet from each other.

"A security guard soon entered in an apparent attempt to remove Rev. Peterson, but he refused to leave. At this point Jonathan Jackson (Jesse's son) and two other Jackson supporters positioned themselves across from Rev. Peterson and glared at him for the remainder of the meeting."

The B.O.N.D. press release continued:

"At the meeting's conclusion, Jonathan Jackson attempted to block Rev. Peterson and a B.O.N.D. representative as they moved though a walkway. Rev. Peterson made his way past the younger Jackson despite this.

"When Rev. Peterson and the B.O.N.D. representative moved to exit the room, Jonathan Jackson and several other men crossed the room and Jackson shoved Rev. Peterson."

A spokeswoman at Rainbow/PUSH's Chicago headquarters told NewsMax.com that she was unfamiliar with Rev. Peterson's allegation but would respond after reviewing accounts from both sides".
[url]http://www.newsmax.com/showinsidecover.shtml?a=2001/12/11/144337[/url]

I mean this sincerely, Netrig, you sound like the voice of reason, something too many Americans lack.

And frankly, I think that there are quite a few blacks (I'm assuming you are) like you out there; they just don't get the media attention that the whiny "you owe us 40 acres and a mule" crowd gets.  It's amzing to me that the media is stone-cold silent on the fact that Bush Jr's cabinet is the most racially diverse in history, but when Al Sharpton talks about Bush being racist for not reducing the number of black men in prison last spring (like he can do something about black men being stupid and getting caught) you hear about it.

The sqeaky wheel gets the grease.  It makes "good" news to constantly cover the "oppression" of blacks.  Most people being kind of dumb, they think all blacks are bitchy whinos holding their hands out expecting charity from gov.org at our expense because the media only gives blacks that kind of attention.  If the media would shift its focus to those who actually earned what they have the negative attitude that many whites have toward blacks might change.  But, I've been known to be wrong.

By the by, you said something about wishing we could be black for just a week.  Try being white for a week and being around blacks.  If looks could kill, every whitey in the country would have been boiled in lead by now.  I went to a predominantly black elementary school before being sent to a private school.  I was bullied and beat up by black kids every day, but that isn't "racism."  If the same thing happened in reverse, it would make national headlines.  Try that on for size and you might understand why many whites have trouble trusting blacks.

I also agree with The_Macallan that many in the national leadership of the black community continues to push the class warfare doctrine.  Any nation that has a communtiy of people that is statistically behind in an economic sense and more importantly in education, they will always look for leaders to help.  Unfortunately many in this same situation are easliy imppressionable and come to understand only the words those who are seen as their leaders and fighters for a better life.  It is at this point that the black communtiy needs to realize that Jessie Jackson is not the model to follow or look up to.  Some one in an earlier post mentioned Colin Powell.  Unfortunatly I remember that there was talk of him turning his back on blacks when a presidential bid was in speculation.  This is a vital point to remember.  Why admonish a respectable and honest man while beliveing in untruths from other leaders in the black community.  Of course some of the more liberal white Democrats are equally to blame for the class warfare ideology.  

Hope that I did not step on too many toes here, but honest disscussion and I welcome reasonable debate.

IMO, there will always be major problems until people stop ASKING to be treated differently. This goes for all the hyphenated Americans out there.
As long as "leaders" like Jesse Jackass, Al Sharpto, and Louis Farrakhan are allowed to run roughshod all over the political scene, and get support from the black community, there will be problems.
Unfortunatly, Malcom X was killed (evidence shows he was assassinated by the Nation of Islam) before he could get the word out about tolerance, which he learned on his trip to Mecca.
I wonder why the south hasn't had the riots like in L.A. And Cincnatti lately? Could it be because people in the south are MORE tolerant?

Jush my opinion.

[smoke]

Its Black Rifle History Month?  If so, we need to start a thread in the Weapons area, and post old pictures of the History of the Black Rifle.  Shouldn't be prejudice to the new generation of black rifle only....

I was reading through this thread and found there may be some misinformation out there about what affirmative action really is (or is meant to be anyway).  You can find info from the Department of Labor at the following link:

[url]www.dol.gov/dol/topic/hiring/affirmativeact.htm
[/url]

Specifically, I noticed there was some mention of "quotas" in some earlier posts.  Quotas are in fact illegal except in extreme cases to alleviate blatant discrimination after a successful discrimination lawsuit.

Look here for some info:
[url]www.utexas.edu/hr/eos/AAmyths.html[/url]

I realize affirmative action has probably been responsible for some incidents of reverse discrimination, but I do not believe that is what it is meant to accomplish.

From Executive Order 11246 Sec.202(1)
"The contractor will take affirmative action to ensure that applicants are employed, and that employees are treated during employment, without regard to their race, color, religion, sex or national origin."

On the first page of the DOL site cited above it says, "For federal contractors and subcontractors, affirmative action must be taken by covered employers to recruit and advance qualified minorities, women, persons with disabilities, and covered veterans..."

So take that how you may.  There is no mention anywhere of "quotas" (except as noted above- look at utexas).  As with any policy/law/exec. order in this great country there is some room for interpretation in the language.  You know, the whole "What a reasonable and prudent person would do in the same situation..." type of stuff.

I'm not trying to flame anybody here, just provide some information for those that may be interested.  I realize affirmative action may be misused by those responsible for enforcing it.  Also, given two equally qualified candidates for a position differing only in race, gender, etc. it is legal to choose the candidate that would help in the diversification of the workforce.  Is that really wrong?  That question is not easy to answer.  Regardless of which candidate is chosen it still comes down to race, religion, gender, disability, veteran status, etc. in some cases.

Anyway, some stuff to think about.

BTW- I am a 22 yr. old, white, middle-class, college senior.  I am paying my own way through college (no "affirmative action" grants- notice the quotes, no loans, and no mommy-daddy help), and a registered Republican.  Who'da thought I'd post something about Affirmative Action?

And I love my Bushmaster

Have a good day

Well, perhaps catching up was never meant to be. After all, if a people (in general) can't or don't catch up even when the deck is stacked in their favor, what else can be done to help?

No, it doesn't. There's a right way to spell words and misspelling words - especially when a spell-checker is available - is, to many people, a sign of laziness. Misspelling a word is just as bad as saying "2+2=5" - it's wrong, and shouldn't be tolerated. [b]Everyone[/b] can spell properly if they try. Those who don't spell correctly must not be trying.

I think that we can all learn a lesson from Malcolm X. He believed, and preached, that the black man and the white man could not co-exist in the same country. The idea was put in his head, and he accepted it, without question. Yet, when he went to Mecca on his "hajj" (pilgrimage), he saw men of ALL races sharing and worshipping together. It was this self-discovery, and the realization that what he had been told was not correct, that led to his assassination. What I am saying is this --- there are too many people, race notwithstanding, who are too lazy or too self-centered to question and investigate thoughts and ideas for themselves. They would rather let someone else put ideas in their heads, and words in their mouths. We will be better off when we ALL take the time to do the necessary research, ask the questions, process the information available to us and form our own opinions, rather than have someone else dictate to us how we should think and what opinions we should express.  

Yes, it does.  It indicates that one cannot refute the substance of the another's argument or, perhaps, his logic.  You'd be better served to fall back on "Well, you're just an old poopyhead!" than to try to make the case that poor spelling is indicative of anything but poor spelling.  On the other hand, maybe Dan Quayle really is an idiot?