Importance of Owning a SHTF Rifle: 9/11/01 vs. Present

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Posted: 8/12/2011 7:05:33 PM EDT

Even though Bin Laden and most of his flunkies are dead, I still feel we are closer to the brink of disaster than we were on 9/11. I hate to say it, but I think the likelihood of actually needing to shoulder a SHTF rifle is even greater now than I thought it was 10 years ago. (Don't get me wrong, I sincerely hope that day never comes.) What do you think? We're coming up on the 10th anniversary of 9/11... Do you feel any safer today?

Posted: 8/12/2011 7:07:44 PM EDT

[#1]

I continue to prep.

Posted: 8/12/2011 7:07:51 PM EDT

[#2]

I have never attributed a lack of personal safety to the events of 9/11.

Posted: 8/12/2011 7:09:05 PM EDT

[#3]

I only feel older.

We're real short on mujahideen around here.

Posted: 8/12/2011 7:09:45 PM EDT

[#4]

Not trying to be a dick here but, how is your rifle going to help you if terrorists attack America again? You think they're going to invade your neighborhood or something? Maybe they're going to try and engage our military in open warfare here in the States and you'll be invited to lend a hand? Uhhh, not gonna happen.

Posted: 8/12/2011 7:11:09 PM EDT

[#5]

I feel no safer....get a good rifle and know how to use it.....and plenty of mags and ammo as well as some load bearing equipment.

Posted: 8/12/2011 7:11:52 PM EDT

[#6]

Honestly, Al-Qaeda is the last thing I'm worried about. Its like a man getting breast cancer. Sure, it COULD happen, but the odds of it happening are astronomically low. I'm also not worried about ever using a rifle for "SHTF". A handgun? Certainly. Using a long gun to SUPPLEMENT food for my family? Certainly. Gunning down Hi-Point toting welfare zombies from 300 yards in the prone position? NO.

Posted: 8/12/2011 7:11:53 PM EDT

[#7]

And people shitcanned their Y2K rifles when exactly?

Posted: 8/12/2011 7:19:30 PM EDT

[#8]

Quoted:
Not trying to be a dick here but, how is your rifle going to help you if terrorists attack America again? You think they're going to invade your neighborhood or something? Maybe they're going to try and engage our military in open warfare here in the States and you'll be invited to lend a hand? Uhhh, not gonna happen.

I'm not really worried about Al Qaeda leaving a burning bag of dog shit on my front step and ringing my doorbell. I'm thinking more about the threat of domestic civil disorder if our economic situation continues to deteriorate.

Posted: 8/12/2011 7:22:05 PM EDT

[#9]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Not trying to be a dick here but, how is your rifle going to help you if terrorists attack America again? You think they're going to invade your neighborhood or something? Maybe they're going to try and engage our military in open warfare here in the States and you'll be invited to lend a hand? Uhhh, not gonna happen.

I'm not really worried about Al Qaeda leaving a burning bag of dog shit on my front step and ringing my doorbell. I'm thinking more about the threat of domestic civil disorder if our economic situation continues to deteriorate.

I'm more worried about increased breaking and entering.

Posted: 8/12/2011 7:45:30 PM EDT

[#10]

I never purchased a weapon due to Bin Laden.

Posted: 8/12/2011 7:47:35 PM EDT

[#11]

I don't think the need for a "SHTF" rifle, or other preps, has really increased, but I do think that awareness of the need for such preps has become more conscious, and more widespread. An AR is just one of those things every household should have, regardless of Al Quaeda, Martians, zombies, or injuns.

Posted: 8/12/2011 7:47:46 PM EDT

[#12]

Sheik Amadadoodie Kaboomie and the 500 fanatical goatherders are somewhat low in my threat matrix compared with the increasing frequency of mob action.

Posted: 8/12/2011 7:59:18 PM EDT

[#13]

Since the end of WWII our biggest threats have been from within. The Soviet menace was never as much a menace of war, as a menace of achieving the conversion of America to communism by the means of socialism and "fairness".

Obama is their crowning glory.

Joe McCarthy was right.

Posted: 8/12/2011 8:01:28 PM EDT

[#14]

Of all the shit that can go wrong and is far more likely to go wrong, some nuts flying planes into a building is why you own a rifle?

Posted: 8/12/2011 8:01:51 PM EDT

[#15]

Quoted:
I only feel older.

We're real short on mujahideen around here.

I have extras here that I'm willing to send you.

Posted: 8/12/2011 8:03:07 PM EDT

[#16]

Quoted:

Quoted:

I only feel older.

We're real short on mujahideen around here.

I have extras here that I'm willing to send you.

Make sure you poke holes in their boxes so they can breathe.

Posted: 8/12/2011 8:03:53 PM EDT

[#17]

I only carry a shtf rifle b/c I hate traffic jams.

Posted: 8/12/2011 8:04:25 PM EDT

[#18]

Quoted:
I have never attributed a lack of personal safety to the events of 9/11.

This.

I just have more shit than I used to.

Posted: 8/12/2011 8:05:24 PM EDT

[#19]

Back in the early 1980's I watched Louis Farrakhan on cable access TV ranting and raving ... and telling the black Muslims to buy rifles and shotguns because they were going to rise up against the oppression. I thought that was a good idea so I bought some.

Posted: 8/12/2011 8:07:21 PM EDT

[#20]

I'll win the Lotto before I ever shoot my rifle at anything on two legs around here. My property is light years away from a terrorist target or flash point of social unrest. Which is why I continue to live here. Safe, quiet, and predictable.

Posted: 8/12/2011 8:07:40 PM EDT

[#21]

Quoted:
Even though Bin Laden and most of his flunkies are dead, I still feel we are closer to the brink of disaster than we were on 9/11. I hate to say it, but I think the likelihood of actually needing to shoulder a SHTF rifle is even greater now than I thought it was 10 years ago. (Don't get me wrong, I sincerely hope that day never comes.) What do you think? We're coming up on the 10th anniversary of 9/11... Do you feel any safer today?

I'm more concerned with the Amish attacking me than anyone else if SHTF.

Posted: 8/12/2011 8:12:22 PM EDT

[#22]

I never worried about Islamic Terrorists being a problem during SHTF here in the first place.

They are a handful of losers compared to millions of Society Leaches that will come out of the woodwork during a real SHTF moment.

Posted: 8/12/2011 8:13:12 PM EDT

[#23]

Quoted:

I have never attributed a lack of personal safety to the events of 9/11.

Posted: 8/12/2011 8:15:57 PM EDT

[#24]

Quoted:

Honestly, Al-Qaeda is the last thing I'm worried about. Its like a man getting breast cancer. Sure, it COULD happen, but the odds of it happening are astronomically low. I'm also not worried about ever using a rifle for "SHTF". A handgun? Certainly. Using a long gun to SUPPLEMENT food for my family? Certainly. Gunning down Hi-Point toting welfare zombies from 300 yards in the prone position? NO.

I bet a bunch of people in London would have said the same thing 2 weeks ago

Posted: 8/12/2011 8:23:05 PM EDT

[#25]

I understand the reasoning of most of the posters in this thread but I sure as shit had one of my ARs rideing around with me on 9/12 and for several weeks after,

The point was I didn't know what was going to happen

All the prepers are crazy lunitics right up to the point where some of their stuff is needed .

Doesn't matter if the zombies are comeing over the hill or a bad thunderstorm took out some power poles, haveing that generator to fire up when you are without
wires to the power company will make you the hero. Same goes for the guns and the 5 gal bucket of rice-you never know

Posted: 8/12/2011 8:24:50 PM EDT

[#26]

Quoted:
Even though Bin Laden and most of his flunkies are dead, I still feel we are closer to the brink of disaster than we were on 9/11. I hate to say it, but I think the likelihood of actually needing to shoulder a SHTF rifle is even greater now than I thought it was 10 years ago. (Don't get me wrong, I sincerely hope that day never comes.) What do you think? We're coming up on the 10th anniversary of 9/11... Do you feel any safer today?

Not sure what BL/AQ/911 have to do with owning or shouldering an AR15 or SHTF. Quit fantasizing.

Important to have a rifle? Sure.

Important to have a rifle for SHTF? Depends. How do you define SHTF?

In a more realistic SHTF scenario (read: not your typical terrorist/TEOTWAWKI/zombie/mad-max fantasy scenario), sure, owning an AR would be good, but it's not at the top of the list.

Check it out: http://ferfal.blogspot.com/2008/10/thoughts-on-urban-survival-2005.html

Posted: 8/12/2011 8:25:29 PM EDT

[#27]

Quoted:
Back in the early 1980's I watched Louis Farrakhan on cable access TV ranting and raving ... and telling the black Muslims to buy rifles and shotguns because they were going to rise up against the oppression. I thought that was a good idea so I bought some.

http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m168/AR-15_Paul/Rifles/AR_Collection_Lg.jpg

http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m168/AR-15_Paul/Rifles/Collection_4-2001.jpg

What is that gun in the lower foreground with the bipod? Is that a Feather AT-22? Oh man, that is seriously hard core!

Posted: 8/12/2011 8:36:13 PM EDT

[#28]

I'm just affraid I'm about to run out of Doritos.

Posted: 8/12/2011 8:57:53 PM EDT

[#29]

Quoted:
I never purchased a weapon due to Bin Laden.

This. ^^^^^

I did, however, purchase two AK-47s because of Bill Clinton and his AWB.

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Posted: 8/12/2011 9:03:21 PM EDT

[#30]

As the saying goes
"I would rather have it, and not need it, than need it, and not have it."

That said, I have a AR for many reasons, not just SHTF, ranging from hunting to investigating those bumps in the night.

Posted: 8/12/2011 9:17:43 PM EDT

[#31]

A little off topic, but kind of related. About 6 years ago when I was still in LE, I stopped a van going down a semi-major road the had residential subdivisions on both sides. Get up to the car, and it's middle eastern man and his kids, no big deal, get his D/L and insurance, tell him why I stopped him (speeding, if I remember correctly something like 35 in a 25 zone). Anyway, I get back to my squad, have dispatch run him, and start to get that weird pause on the radio right before felony hit tones go off over the radio, and they go off. However, there is no felony warrant, he comes back off the "terrorist watch list" I have them contact the .gov that was attached to the warning to see what they want done with him. They come back with gather as much information on him, and let him go. So, he gets a ticket, is pissed saying can't I give him a break. For a fleating moment, I thought about saying, "can you stop flying airplanes into our building's?" but thought better of it.

Long story short, I meet with the rep from the Terrorism Task Force, and ask him what's up with this guy. States that he has been spotted with a known terrorist at the Olin (Winchester) shooting range popping off caps. Stated that the guy I stopped isn't exactly on the grab list, just the watch and follow list, hence the don't detain just gather information.

So, the moral of the story is yes, personal security is still an issue after 9/11 especially since the domestic bad guys have been known to frequent firing ranges in the area (IL and MO STL metro area).

Posted: 8/12/2011 9:18:12 PM EDT

[#32]

I don't feel any safer or any more in danger.

Posted: 8/12/2011 9:20:30 PM EDT

[#33]

Is it important to have one..? Yes... will you ever be going door to door clearing tangos with it..? 99.9% chance of no... will you possibly some day in your life need it for SHTF survival scenario..?

Now that is the real question..? Just be a good boy scout, have a plan but hope you never have to act on it... SHTF will no doubt teh suck IF it happens in our lifetime. As stated previously, tis better to have and not need, than to need and not have.

Shit like duct tape, paracord, nuts, bolts, screws, nails and bailing wire will get used more than a zombie rifle when teh shit hits teh fan. Stock up on basic essentials, and concentrate on feeding and caring for family friends and neighbors.

Posted: 8/12/2011 9:25:13 PM EDT

[#34]

Quoted:
I continue to prep.

This

Posted: 8/12/2011 9:29:20 PM EDT

[#35]

safe from terrorism? I think I was safe before and I'm safe now. something like 3,000 americans have killed in terror attacks in the last 20 years? I'm more likely to get hit by a bus.

Posted: 8/12/2011 9:31:05 PM EDT

[#36]

Fo time?

Posted: 8/12/2011 9:32:21 PM EDT

[#37]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I only feel older.

We're real short on mujahideen around here.

I have extras here that I'm willing to send you.

Funniest post.

Thanks for your service.

Posted: 8/12/2011 9:38:37 PM EDT

[#38]

Quoted:

Even though Bin Laden and most of his flunkies are dead, I still feel we are closer to the brink of disaster than we were on 9/11. I hate to say it, but I think the likelihood of actually needing to shoulder a SHTF rifle is even greater now than I thought it was 10 years ago. (Don't get me wrong, I sincerely hope that day never comes.) What do you think? We're coming up on the 10th anniversary of 9/11... Do you feel any safer today?

I feel less safe.

Ten years ago I was worried about what the terrorists might do to us.

Now I'm much more concerned about what our government IS doing to us, and there is no one to protect us from them.

Posted: 8/12/2011 9:55:05 PM EDT

[#39]

Quoted:
Since the end of WWII our biggest threats have been from within. The Soviet menace was never as much a menace of war, as a menace of achieving the conversion of America to communism by the means of socialism and "fairness".

Obama is their crowning glory.

Joe McCarthy was right.

They triumphed before WWII, for the most part. There's a reason why it was called the Red Decade. At one point most people in this country were socialists of various stripes, fascists, progressives, communists, anarchists, radicals, etc. Academia was pretty much taken over by the Left as was much of the media that existed then. Leftism was the dominant theme in politics and government. This country has never recovered from that. What was achieved after the war was just icing on the cake, really. The rise of the conservative movement (led by men like Buckley, Weaver, Meyers, Kirk, Goldwater, et al with the help of European conservatives and liberals), which ultimately wasn't able to reverse much, unfortunately, was really the only major setback since it pushed back in the realm of ideas some of the triumphs of the Left. That the Left is still dominant in the political landscape is glaringly obvious. Leftism is what is currently popular. The Right has for a long time been a minority among the people. Whether or not we will see the day where most people are Rightists to some degree once again (like during the election that led to Coolidge winning; he was far to the Right and his Democratic opponent had an almost identical platform, the last time both major candidates would be on the Right) is anyone's guess, but the current trends seem to indicate it is not likely. Unfortunately, if we don't restore what we have lost, I think this country will end up in ruin, with all of the unrest that will entail. At that point a rifle, some ammo, and the knowledge how to use it will be quite valuable, IMO.

Posted: 8/12/2011 10:32:12 PM EDT

[#40]

Quoted:
Even though Bin Laden and most of his flunkies are dead, I still feel we are closer to the brink of disaster than we were on 9/11. I hate to say it, but I think the likelihood of actually needing to shoulder a SHTF rifle is even greater now than I thought it was 10 years ago. (Don't get me wrong, I sincerely hope that day never comes.) What do you think? We're coming up on the 10th anniversary of 9/11... Do you feel any safer today?

The most dangerous threat to your personal safety and liberty are people here in the USA.

Prepare accordingly.

Posted: 8/12/2011 10:34:04 PM EDT

[#41]

Quoted:
I never purchased a weapon due to Bin Laden.

If I knew the exact details of what was used to smoke him, I would certainly have an exact replica of it.

Posted: 8/12/2011 10:46:56 PM EDT

[#42]

Quoted:
Since the end of WWII our biggest threats have been from within. The Soviet menace was never as much a menace of war, as a menace of achieving the conversion of America to communism by the means of socialism and "fairness".

Obama is their crowning glory.

Joe McCarthy was right.

Posted: 8/12/2011 11:00:13 PM EDT

[#43]

I was shocked more looting didn't happen during the first few hours of 9/11. Besides a few places getting hit most people were on their best behavior , I seen 10 times more looting during the couple of blackouts we had in the 90's, keep in mind I grew up in The Bronx. Nowadays with the floods of mexicans scared out of the south west due to those illegal immigration laws and the endless amount of Albanians abi or whatever they call themselves now arriving to my area I am going to try and get the permit for a shotgun. Way to many different ethnic groups trying to do organized crime and home invasions. God knows the shit storm I'd get myself into if I actually used a shotgun for self defense but the guy on YouTube said all criminals will shart themselves once they hear me rack it lol.

Posted: 8/12/2011 11:04:36 PM EDT

[#44]

Bin Laden was just a small enemy, like a Gangster.

The ROP terrorists are small potatoes, but they are still threats, they are just another of many and they get lucky now and then with some attack that will in turn kill more of them than anyone else.

We have more consistent and pending threats within and in daily life.

The real threats are the ones who have been fucking with our nations laws, taxes, banking, etc.. for a long time and have done the most damage and will lead us into more problematic times that are only symptoms of the larger problems.

What makes a SHTF rifle from any other rifle? Isnt it just your self defense/recreation/safe queen/utility rifle?

Posted: 8/12/2011 11:27:07 PM EDT

[#45]

Quoted:

Quoted:

I only feel older.

We're real short on mujahideen around here.

I have extras here that I'm willing to send you.

Are they any good at landscaping?

Posted: 8/12/2011 11:29:16 PM EDT

[#46]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I only feel older.

We're real short on mujahideen around here.

I have extras here that I'm willing to send you.

Thread WIN.

Posted: 8/13/2011 1:35:55 AM EDT

[#47]

My SHTF concerns (which admittedly started after 9/11) don't center on a terrorist attack. Instead they involve the inevitable chaos that would result if a terrorist attack managed to interrupt supply lines.

When 9/11 happened, the bridges heading out to Long Island were shut down for a time. If the next attack actually destroyed the bridges so that trucks could no longer get out here, we would be in for riots in fairly short order.

Posted: 8/13/2011 1:50:27 AM EDT

[#48]

Meh....All of my weapons are SHTF weapons if need be. 9/11 does not have squat to do with that.

Posted: 8/13/2011 2:35:53 AM EDT

[#49]

I bought my first "assault" (Norinco SKS) weapon because of Klinton. My EBR disease kind of spiraled out of control since then. I've been a prepper since I read "Alas Babylon" in high school, circa '79 or '80. Terrorism is so far down of the list of my likely scenarios as to almost non existent

This country will fall from within.

Posted: 8/13/2011 3:06:35 AM EDT

[#50]

Quoted:
I only feel older.

We're real short on mujahideen around here.

HAHAHAHAHAHA- aint that the truth

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