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Posted: 4/30/2011 11:35:21 AM EDT


"Was it a call to bring the revolts and violence of the “Arab Spring” now sweeping the Middle East to Russia?

That is the question that swirled throughout Moscow when a top imam called for the addition of the Islamic crescent moon symbol to the Russian emblem.

The surprise call by Talgat Tadzhuddin during an interview with a leading Russian newspaper was met with alarm because the imam heads the Central Spiritual Association of Muslims of Russia, a major regional Islamic association.

The fears of renewed tension between the state and the Islamist were exacerbated because Moscow had just seen serious clashes between Islamic and Russian youths."



Aw, c'mon. Obama would do it if anyone asked.



Link Posted: 4/30/2011 11:41:50 AM EDT
In before our resident apologist.
Link Posted: 4/30/2011 11:54:51 AM EDT
It's incredible how many fools would take the approach of, "If we're nice to them now, they'll be nice to us when they take over."

That's not a call to persecute Muslims, but a statement that I have no intention of submitting to them.
Link Posted: 4/30/2011 12:01:01 PM EDT
That Imam just gave those Russian neo-nazis more ammo.
Link Posted: 4/30/2011 12:10:37 PM EDT
I wonder if Russia made every last Islamic person there disappear, if I'd even notice. They are their own country and if they don't threaten us then I don't even need to know what they do.

I wonder if a star is worth asking for - and don't care about the answer.
Link Posted: 4/30/2011 12:12:41 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Hedonist:
I wonder if Russia made every last Islamic person there disappear, if I'd even notice. They are their own country and if they don't threaten us then I don't even need to know what they do.
Estimates put that at anywhere from 7-20 million.

Link Posted: 4/30/2011 12:17:30 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Miracle_Pants:
That Imam just gave those Russian neo-nazis more ammo.

Yeah, I wonder if he remembers the last time that an Orthodox Slavic country decided that Muslims were a problem:


Link Posted: 4/30/2011 12:18:49 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Cromlech:

Originally Posted By Hedonist:
I wonder if Russia made every last Islamic person there disappear, if I'd even notice. They are their own country and if they don't threaten us then I don't even need to know what they do.
Estimates put that at anywhere from 7-20 million.



They've proven capable of sustaining those levels of losses before.
Link Posted: 4/30/2011 12:24:49 PM EDT
Originally Posted By hourglassing:
Originally Posted By Cromlech:

Originally Posted By Hedonist:
I wonder if Russia made every last Islamic person there disappear, if I'd even notice. They are their own country and if they don't threaten us then I don't even need to know what they do.
Estimates put that at anywhere from 7-20 million.



They've proven capable of sustaining those levels of losses before.


Back then they were still breeding. Now they are just waiting to die, with the rest of Europe.
Link Posted: 4/30/2011 12:26:15 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Cromlech:

Originally Posted By Hedonist:
I wonder if Russia made every last Islamic person there disappear, if I'd even notice. They are their own country and if they don't threaten us then I don't even need to know what they do.
Estimates put that at anywhere from 7-20 million.



this is one time i fully support russia doing what needs to be done.
Link Posted: 4/30/2011 12:27:23 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Hedonist:
I wonder if Russia made every last Islamic person there disappear, if I'd even notice. They are their own country and if they don't threaten us then I don't even need to know what they do.


It'd be an act of inhuman butchery that would put even Stalin to shame. It'd be an absolute, horrendous atrocity, and anyone who thinks otherwise is necessarily a crazy person. And don't anybody jump on their high horse and claim I'm some kind of muslim apologist or some nonsense, because I find the culture of the islamic world to be as detestable as any other, but to even consider genocide as an option is totally unconscionable.
Link Posted: 4/30/2011 12:31:54 PM EDT

Originally Posted By BakerMike:
Originally Posted By Hedonist:
I wonder if Russia made every last Islamic person there disappear, if I'd even notice. They are their own country and if they don't threaten us then I don't even need to know what they do.


It'd be an act of inhuman butchery that would put even Stalin to shame. It'd be an absolute, horrendous atrocity, and anyone who thinks otherwise is necessarily a crazy person. And don't anybody jump on their high horse and claim I'm some kind of muslim apologist or some nonsense, because I find the culture of the islamic world to be as detestable as any other, but to even consider genocide as an option is totally unconscionable.

Do you understand that sooner or later the non Muslim world is going to wind up at war with Islam? And it's not because we want to, it's because the ROP has this little philosophy of "Be like me or die" that will eventually cause them to go one step too far. It's inevitable IMO. And the longer it takes before it starts, the longer and bloodier it's likely to be.
Link Posted: 4/30/2011 12:34:28 PM EDT

Originally Posted By BakerMike:
Originally Posted By Hedonist:
I wonder if Russia made every last Islamic person there disappear, if I'd even notice. They are their own country and if they don't threaten us then I don't even need to know what they do.


It'd be an act of inhuman butchery that would put even Stalin to shame. It'd be an absolute, horrendous atrocity, and anyone who thinks otherwise is necessarily a crazy person. And don't anybody jump on their high horse and claim I'm some kind of muslim apologist or some nonsense, because I find the culture of the islamic world to be as detestable as any other, but to even consider genocide as an option is totally unconscionable.

Yes, it would be very evil.

Many evil things happen every day in places I'll never see, and if the MSM wants me to know they tell me.

It's not our concern.

Link Posted: 4/30/2011 12:34:40 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Brohawk:
It's incredible how many fools would take the approach of, "If we're nice to them now, they'll be nice to us when they take over."

That's not a call to persecute Muslims, but a statement that I have no intention of submitting to them.


I prefer to think that it's a case of "Better to be the right hand of the devil, than in his path. As long as I serve him, I am immune". Which would kind of explain the non-elites supporting socialism/communism in this country...
Link Posted: 4/30/2011 12:36:07 PM EDT
Link Posted: 4/30/2011 12:37:39 PM EDT
Originally Posted By 3rdpig:

Do you understand that sooner or later the non Muslim world is going to wind up at war with Islam? And it's not because we want to, it's because the ROP has this little philosophy of "Be like me or die" that will eventually cause them to go one step too far. It's inevitable IMO. And the longer it takes before it starts, the longer and bloodier it's likely to be.


They have been at war with us for 1300 years. The war has varied in intensity and sometimes quieted down to be virtually unnoticable, but it has not gone away.

I'd like to recommend LtCol (Ret) Ralph Peter's book Endless War.
Link Posted: 4/30/2011 12:40:23 PM EDT
Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
Russia is going to have a HUGE fucking problem with muslims - both seperatists and internal terrorists - over the next decade.

Huge.


DK-Prof,

I think that the common enemy of jihad will eventually lead to a stronger alliance between us and Russia. It won't be going away, and as it intensifies we would be drawn toward other folks on this side of the fence (Dar al Harb).

What's your opinion on this?
Link Posted: 4/30/2011 12:43:12 PM EDT
Originally Posted By 3rdpig:
Do you understand that sooner or later the non Muslim world is going to wind up at war with Islam? And it's not because we want to, it's because the ROP has this little philosophy of "Be like me or die" that will eventually cause them to go one step too far. It's inevitable IMO. And the longer it takes before it starts, the longer and bloodier it's likely to be.


Yes, I think a confrontation with Islam is will happen. That's not carte blanche to round them up and exterminate them, any more than we'd consider the inevitability of a confrontation between Arabs and Jews an excuse for the former to push the latter into the sea.

Originally Posted By Hedonist:
Many evil things happen every day in places I'll never see, and if the MSM wants me to know they tell me.
It's not our concern.


That's an unspeakably horrible position to take. Was the Holocaust none of our concern, either, because it happened in Germany? Or the Armenian Genocide because it happened in Turkey, or the extermination of Muslims in Kosovo?
Link Posted: 4/30/2011 12:47:01 PM EDT
I don't go searching the world for fights.

There has been plenty of genocide in my lifetime - my own government decides if our interests are endangered.

Genocide is wrong, as are many other things. We are in debt over our ears. There are evil rulers in many countries.

I abide by the code of conduct.
Link Posted: 4/30/2011 12:48:05 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Cromlech:

Originally Posted By Hedonist:
I wonder if Russia made every last Islamic person there disappear, if I'd even notice. They are their own country and if they don't threaten us then I don't even need to know what they do.
Estimates put that at anywhere from 7-20 million.


Stalin was easily able to get rid of more than that. Russians have a long history of making troublemakers disappear permanently.


And in this case, I would not shed one tear.


CJ


Link Posted: 4/30/2011 12:48:17 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/30/2011 12:49:54 PM EDT by cmjohnson]
Doubletapped again...the internet service down here in South America kinda sucks...
Link Posted: 4/30/2011 12:48:40 PM EDT
Link Posted: 4/30/2011 12:52:19 PM EDT
Originally Posted By BakerMike:

That's an unspeakably horrible position to take. Was the Holocaust none of our concern, either, because it happened in Germany?


We didn't enter WWII to end the Holocaust. As a side effect of defeating Germany, we did end it, and that was a good thing. However, the way you phrased your comment implied that we fought the war to save the Jews from extermination.

Or the Armenian Genocide because it happened in Turkey,


In the context of Islamic persecution of non-Muslims, I think we should have kicked Turkey's butt over that.

or the extermination of Muslims in Kosovo?


We took the wrong side in that fight. I don't hear anyone (you included) crying over Christians being driven from their villages in Kosovo and churches being burned.
Link Posted: 4/30/2011 12:53:43 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Cromlech:

Originally Posted By Hedonist:
I wonder if Russia made every last Islamic person there disappear, if I'd even notice. They are their own country and if they don't threaten us then I don't even need to know what they do.
Estimates put that at anywhere from 7-20 million.



Stalin would have done those kind of numbers without a second thought.

If the Muslims try hard enough, they might convince the rest of the world to join together and kick their asses. They've fucked with just about everybody except China, once they do that it will probably be official.

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Link Posted: 4/30/2011 12:54:24 PM EDT
Originally Posted By cmjohnson:

Originally Posted By Cromlech:

Originally Posted By Hedonist:
I wonder if Russia made every last Islamic person there disappear, if I'd even notice. They are their own country and if they don't threaten us then I don't even need to know what they do.
Estimates put that at anywhere from 7-20 million.


Stalin was easily able to get rid of more than that. Russians have a long history of making troublemakers disappear permanently.


And in this case, I would not shed one tear.


CJ




The systematic extermination of a people based solely on their religious beliefs is not in the least bothering to you? Would you protest if our country did that?
Link Posted: 4/30/2011 12:54:59 PM EDT
Link Posted: 4/30/2011 12:59:07 PM EDT
Originally Posted By DK-Prof:

Then again, I worried about that over 20 years ago, and the "takeover" of Europe by fanatical muslims is not really much closer today than it was 20 years ago (paranoia and misinformation aside).


Stick around - the fat lady hasn't even started warming up!
Link Posted: 4/30/2011 12:59:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/30/2011 1:09:18 PM EDT by Kihn]
Originally Posted By Cromlech:

Originally Posted By Hedonist:
I wonder if Russia made every last Islamic person there disappear, if I'd even notice. They are their own country and if they don't threaten us then I don't even need to know what they do.
Estimates put that at anywhere from 7-20 million.



Tried it with the Chechnens. Didn't work out as expected.

Link Posted: 4/30/2011 1:01:36 PM EDT
Should anyone tell this "IMAM" not to poke Putin? That Russia has a history of dealing with dissenters?

Or should we just run over there and protect him when he starts a fight he'll likely lose harshly and decisively?

I suggest Mr. IMAM take his crescent star and consider shoving it up his ass rather than get him and his followers killed by tangling with Russia - and then make me somehow feel responsible because I didn't do anything. Sure, I'll pay more taxes and sacrifice a son because some IMAM starts a fight with Russia, sure. Actions have consequences and the IMAM hasn't seen enough consequences yet. He'll see stars.
Link Posted: 4/30/2011 1:04:32 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Brohawk:
We didn't enter WWII to end the Holocaust. As a side effect of defeating Germany, we did end it, and that was a good thing. However, the way you phrased your comment implied that we fought the war to save the Jews from extermination.


I'm well aware of the reasons why the US entered World War 2. But I also think that stopping the holocaust would've also been a perfectly adequate reason to invade Germany.

In the context of Islamic persecution of non-Muslims, I think we should have kicked Turkey's butt over that.


...

We took the wrong side in that fight. I don't hear anyone (you included) crying over Christians being driven from their villages in Kosovo and churches being burned.


So you're saying that both sides committed atrocities, so we should've supported the atrocity-committing side what top their religious buildings with crosses rather than minarets, and exclusively on that basis? I'd suggest that the best thing to do would be to stop either side from committing genocide on the other, because genocide is evil.
Link Posted: 4/30/2011 1:09:41 PM EDT
Vlad will not approve this.

Imam FAIL.

Imam should enter protective relocation plan and assume new identity.
Link Posted: 4/30/2011 1:11:39 PM EDT
Originally Posted By ZW17:
Originally Posted By BakerMike:
the extermination of Muslims in Kosovo?


Yeah, that ranked high on my list of things to be concerned about....


Link Posted: 4/30/2011 1:11:44 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Bakelite47:
Originally Posted By cmjohnson:

Originally Posted By Cromlech:

Originally Posted By Hedonist:
I wonder if Russia made every last Islamic person there disappear, if I'd even notice. They are their own country and if they don't threaten us then I don't even need to know what they do.
Estimates put that at anywhere from 7-20 million.


Stalin was easily able to get rid of more than that. Russians have a long history of making troublemakers disappear permanently.


And in this case, I would not shed one tear.


CJ




The systematic extermination of a people based solely on their religious beliefs is not in the least bothering to you? Would you protest if our country did that?


I would if their religious belief didn't involve killing me and my family.

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Link Posted: 4/30/2011 1:16:18 PM EDT

Originally Posted By BakerMike:
Originally Posted By Brohawk:
We didn't enter WWII to end the Holocaust. As a side effect of defeating Germany, we did end it, and that was a good thing. However, the way you phrased your comment implied that we fought the war to save the Jews from extermination.


I'm well aware of the reasons why the US entered World War 2. But I also think that stopping the holocaust would've also been a perfectly adequate reason to invade Germany.

In the context of Islamic persecution of non-Muslims, I think we should have kicked Turkey's butt over that.


...

We took the wrong side in that fight. I don't hear anyone (you included) crying over Christians being driven from their villages in Kosovo and churches being burned.


So you're saying that both sides committed atrocities, so we should've supported the atrocity-committing side what top their religious buildings with crosses rather than minarets, and exclusively on that basis? I'd suggest that the best thing to do would be to stop either side from committing genocide on the other, because genocide is evil.

Except that's not what happened. The US bombed Serbia and wholeheartedly supported the Kosovars. We now enjoy a rump country run by organ-stealing mobsters.


Link Posted: 4/30/2011 1:16:25 PM EDT
Fuck the Russians and the Jihadists. I like seeing them kill each other.
Link Posted: 4/30/2011 1:17:00 PM EDT
I say by page 3.

Of course there are things I can't say.
Link Posted: 4/30/2011 1:17:21 PM EDT
Originally Posted By BakerMike:

I'd suggest that the best thing to do would be to stop either side from committing genocide on the other, because genocide is evil.


Since we can't save the whole world, where do you suggest we draw the line?
Link Posted: 4/30/2011 1:20:29 PM EDT
We need to "Declare war on evil" - and add that to hunger, drugs, terrorism, and whatever else we've made "War on" careers at.
Link Posted: 4/30/2011 1:24:31 PM EDT
Originally Posted By BakerMike:
Originally Posted By Hedonist:
I wonder if Russia made every last Islamic person there disappear, if I'd even notice. They are their own country and if they don't threaten us then I don't even need to know what they do.


It'd be an act of inhuman butchery that would put even Stalin to shame. It'd be an absolute, horrendous atrocity, and anyone who thinks otherwise is necessarily a crazy person. And don't anybody jump on their high horse and claim I'm some kind of muslim apologist or some nonsense, because I find the culture of the islamic world to be as detestable as any other, but to even consider genocide as an option is totally unconscionable.


Not sure anyone in a 'right' state of mind would consider genocide conscionable... however, it could become a consequence of an escalating conflict spiraling out of control.

Islam has been quietly poking a stick at China too.

Outside of Iran, is there a muslim military/industrial/political power capable of a head-on conflict with Russia or China? Anyone think Russia will let their deals with Iran stop them from stomping any kind of islamic militancy/uprising into snake shit? Anyone think the U.N will intervene? I don't think NATO will step in and start lobbing Tomahawk's at Vlad house!

Link Posted: 4/30/2011 1:26:27 PM EDT
In the 90's the world felt sorry for the oppressed Muslims. Ever since then they've been convincing one country after another that they really are dicks. So the question I pose to you Bakemike, is what do you do with an enemy that simply refuses to stop provoking their own fate? They grow in strength, and they start wars, they get knocked on their ass, lay low, rebuild, and start wars again. Been doing it for over a thousand years. Except now they could get their hands on nuclear weapons, and what. Do you think they would do with one? All nations have armies to protect themselves and their interests. Muslims build up armies to conquer and subjugate. They're not interested in politics or trade arrangements, they're interested in world domination by their religion. In today's world they can no longer be held at arms length, what do you do?

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Link Posted: 4/30/2011 1:34:41 PM EDT
Originally Posted By sixnine:
In the 90's the world felt sorry for the oppressed Muslims. Ever since then they've been convincing one country after another that they really are dicks. So the question I pose to you Bakemike, is what do you do with an enemy that simply refuses to stop provoking their own fate? They grow in strength, and they start wars, they get knocked on their ass, lay low, rebuild, and start wars again. Been doing it for over a thousand years. Except now they could get their hands on nuclear weapons, and what. Do you think they would do with one? All nations have armies to protect themselves and their interests. Muslims build up armies to conquer and subjugate. They're not interested in politics or trade arrangements, they're interested in world domination by their religion. In today's world they can no longer be held at arms length, what do you do?

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Muslims already have plenty of nukes.
Link Posted: 4/30/2011 1:35:49 PM EDT
Originally Posted By sixnine:
Originally Posted By Bakelite47:
Originally Posted By cmjohnson:

Originally Posted By Cromlech:

Originally Posted By Hedonist:
I wonder if Russia made every last Islamic person there disappear, if I'd even notice. They are their own country and if they don't threaten us then I don't even need to know what they do.
Estimates put that at anywhere from 7-20 million.


Stalin was easily able to get rid of more than that. Russians have a long history of making troublemakers disappear permanently.


And in this case, I would not shed one tear.


CJ




The systematic extermination of a people based solely on their religious beliefs is not in the least bothering to you? Would you protest if our country did that?


I would if their religious belief didn't involve killing me and my family.

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Every Muslim you have met has tried to kill you for the sole reason that you are not Muslim?
Link Posted: 4/30/2011 1:38:20 PM EDT
After Beslan I can't believe there is still Muslims in Russia.
Link Posted: 4/30/2011 1:39:19 PM EDT

Originally Posted By swede1986:
Fuck the Russians and the Jihadists. I like seeing them kill each other.

No kidding. It's a bit like when you hear on the news that 2 gang thugs killed each other.
Link Posted: 4/30/2011 1:40:18 PM EDT
Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
Russia is going to have a HUGE fucking problem with muslims - both seperatists and internal terrorists - over the next decade.

Huge.


Seeing that an equally HUGE portion of the former Soviet Union and present Russian sphere of influence is Muslim, including most of the places I have worked in the region, I would say this is correct.
Link Posted: 4/30/2011 2:00:57 PM EDT
Originally Posted By ShurShot:
After Beslan I can't believe there is still Muslims in Russia.


Me too. They don't make Russians like they used to.



Link Posted: 4/30/2011 2:17:07 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Kevyn:
Originally Posted By BakerMike:
Originally Posted By Hedonist:
I wonder if Russia made every last Islamic person there disappear, if I'd even notice. They are their own country and if they don't threaten us then I don't even need to know what they do.


It'd be an act of inhuman butchery that would put even Stalin to shame. It'd be an absolute, horrendous atrocity, and anyone who thinks otherwise is necessarily a crazy person. And don't anybody jump on their high horse and claim I'm some kind of muslim apologist or some nonsense, because I find the culture of the islamic world to be as detestable as any other, but to even consider genocide as an option is totally unconscionable.


Not sure anyone in a 'right' state of mind would consider genocide conscionable... however, it could become a consequence of an escalating conflict spiraling out of control.

Islam has been quietly poking a stick at China too.

Outside of Iran, is there a muslim military/industrial/political power capable of a head-on conflict with Russia or China? Anyone think Russia will let their deals with Iran stop them from stomping any kind of islamic militancy/uprising into snake shit? Anyone think the U.N will intervene? I don't think NATO will step in and start lobbing Tomahawk's at Vlad house!


I believe Obama is stupid enough to lob missiles at Vlad's House.
Link Posted: 4/30/2011 2:17:23 PM EDT
Minorities should always be accommodated by doing whatever they say.
Link Posted: 4/30/2011 2:23:34 PM EDT
Originally Posted By 583:
In before our resident apologist.


Which one? Unfortunately we have a few.
Link Posted: 4/30/2011 2:24:45 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Bakelite47:
Originally Posted By sixnine:
Originally Posted By Bakelite47:
Originally Posted By cmjohnson:

Originally Posted By Cromlech:

Originally Posted By Hedonist:
I wonder if Russia made every last Islamic person there disappear, if I'd even notice. They are their own country and if they don't threaten us then I don't even need to know what they do.
Estimates put that at anywhere from 7-20 million.


Stalin was easily able to get rid of more than that. Russians have a long history of making troublemakers disappear permanently.


And in this case, I would not shed one tear.


CJ




The systematic extermination of a people based solely on their religious beliefs is not in the least bothering to you? Would you protest if our country did that?


I would if their religious belief didn't involve killing me and my family.

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Every Muslim you have met has tried to kill you for the sole reason that you are not Muslim?
If they follow the will of Allah as expressed through Mohammad in the 9th Sura, they should.

If they don't they aren't a Muslim.

There is NO gray area here. There is NO interpretation. There is only the 9th Sura. Which explicitly dictates Kill, convert or enslave.

Link Posted: 4/30/2011 2:26:35 PM EDT
Russia exists because the Russians defeated the Tatars. They would win again if they had to.

Also:

Zaporozhian Cossacks to the Turkish Sultan!

Thou art a turkish imp, the damned devil's brother and friend, and a secretary to Lucifer himself. What the devil kind of knight art thou that cannot slay a hedgehog with your naked arse? The devil shits, and your army eats. Thou son of a bitch wilt not ever make subjects of Christian sons; we have no fear of your army, by land and by sea we will battle with thee, fuck thy mother.

Thou art the Babylonian scullion, Macedonian wheelwright, brewer of Jerusalem, goat-fucker of Alexandria, swineherd of Greater and Lesser Egypt, Armenian pig, Podolian villain, catamite of Tartary, hangman of Kamyanets, and fool of all the world and underworld, a fool before our God, a grandson of the Serpent, and the crick in our dick. Pig's snout, mare's arse, slaughterhouse cur, unchristened brow, screw thine own mother!

So the Zaporozhians declare, you lowlife. Thou wilt not even be herding Christian pigs. Now we shall conclude, for we don't know the date and don't have a calendar; the moon's in the sky, the year in the book, the day's the same over here as it is over there; for this kiss our arse!

Koshovyi Otaman Ivan Sirko, with the whole Zaporozhian Host.
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