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Posted: 9/11/2005 6:56:44 PM EDT
Consider the events in NO and what would have went down if good people didn't have guns.

Consider the riots of the 60s, the LA riots, Miami, etc, etc. Now consider those cities where the riots were not kept in their own economically and demographically challenged area. The cities would have ALL burned to the ground by now. Something to think about.
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 6:58:19 PM EDT
Imagine? Why?


Look at:


New York City


Chicago


Washington DC


I could go on. Why imagine? We have real examples all around us.
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 6:59:10 PM EDT
yeah so thank the all knowing and all powerful NRA........
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 7:03:00 PM EDT
The world would still run though.
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 7:04:14 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Hawker:
The world would still run though.



Yeah...kind of like England.
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 7:04:28 PM EDT

Originally Posted By fight4yourrights:
Imagine? Why?


Look at:


New York City


Chicago


Washington DC


I could go on. Why imagine? We have real examples all around us.



The UK
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 7:04:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/11/2005 7:12:41 PM EDT by fight4yourrights]

Originally Posted By VTwin60:

yeah so thank the all knowing and all powerful NRA........



Okay, this begs the question if they are a net benefit or not.

I'm starting another thread.
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 7:11:06 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Backstop:

Originally Posted By Hawker:
The world would still run though.



Yeah...kind of like England.



And Australia....they seem to be living just fine.
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 7:11:35 PM EDT

Originally Posted By fight4yourrights:
Imagine? Why?


Look at:


New York City


Chicago


Washington DC


I could go on. Why imagine? We have real examples all around us.



+1

HH
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 7:14:41 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Hawker:
The world would still run though.



What would be left of it anyhow.
There was a time, not all that long ago in the grand scheme of things, when rulers and noblemen could ride into your village, take your wife, your kids, your property and do so with impunity. How were you to ever lash out or protect yourself and your family. The posession of firearms changed all of that forever and allowed for personal liberty and took control from the hands of gov't to give it to the People. A rather antiquated concept for DU Troll types.

You do not sound like someone who understands the depravity that humans have inflicted on one another over the centuries.

Do you think the genocide in Rwanda would have occurred if those people had weapons to defend themselves with?
Germany?
Poland?
Cambodia?
­Just to mention a few of the more notable and more recent.

Link Posted: 9/11/2005 7:15:03 PM EDT

Originally Posted By fight4yourrights:
Who's got enough clout to do anything much?





You would think it would be gun owning, freedom loving, constitution adhering American citizens....just a thought

why do we pay for a third party to do that anyway? Declaration of Independence says that WE should do it...
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 7:16:23 PM EDT

Originally Posted By JHill:

Originally Posted By fight4yourrights:
Who's got enough clout to do anything much?





You would think it would be gun owning, freedom loving, constitution adhering American citizens....just a thought

why do we pay for a third party to do that anyway? Declaration of Independence says that WE should do it...




Well, most of us have jobs. Consequently, we can't be in Washington lobbying all the time, watching the bills, etc..


I agree with your sentiment - we should ALL be very involved in protecting our Rights and Freedoms, but Washington works via Lobbyists. That's a reality.
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 7:19:04 PM EDT

Originally Posted By HoustonHusker:

Originally Posted By fight4yourrights:
Imagine? Why?


Look at:


New York City


Chicago


Washington DC


I could go on. Why imagine? We have real examples all around us.



+1

HH



Consider those places now in the context of the riots of the 60's. The violence, burning, destruction remained confined to their own neighborhoods. WHY?
Because the people outside of those possessed the means and the will to defend themselves. Now, what if?
What if those people in surrounding neighborhoods and the surrounding metro areas were without that means?

LA, 1993: Mob violence, looting, burning, turned back by some with guns.
Now, remove the private possession of firearms and what happens?

I think my questions answer themselves but hey, take your best shot.
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 7:23:37 PM EDT
saying not having guns keeps crime high is as silly as saying having them reduces crime.
there is still crime here and in the countries where there are no guns.
i love my guns, but please, if you can only defend your family with guns, you might wanna move to a nicer hood. people defended themselves the same before the invention of guns the same as they do after they were invented. the world will not come to an end if guns are taken away in certain areas. i think it is wise to remove them in areas where civilians cannot obey the rules of having them eg..most of the bigger cities in the world. blah blah blah....the sky is falling......
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 7:27:36 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 7:29:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/11/2005 7:30:24 PM EDT by BlairHous]

Originally Posted By Hawker:
i think it is wise to remove them in areas where civilians cannot obey the rules of having them eg..most of the bigger cities in the world. blah blah blah....the sky is falling......



All men are created as equals! I -as a UK citizen- envy the rights you peeps have in America.
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 7:29:25 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Hawker:
saying not having guns keeps crime high is as silly as saying having them reduces crime.
there is still crime here and in the countries where there are no guns.
i love my guns, but please, if you can only defend your family with guns, you might wanna move to a nicer hood. people defended themselves the same before the invention of guns the same as they do after they were invented. the world will not come to an end if guns are taken away in certain areas. i think it is wise to remove them in areas where civilians cannot obey the rules of having them eg..most of the bigger cities in the world. blah blah blah....the sky is falling......



Incorrect.
It takes some degree of skill and training to use a sword, and even then it was illegal for many commoners to own weapons.
And even if your example was factual, ok then.
The people used swords - but that was the peak of weapons technology.
If you want to use a sword in the age of the gun, by all means go ahead.
Make sure to give us a range report.
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 7:33:08 PM EDT
I know where gun control was effective....

Nazi Germany...
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 7:34:50 PM EDT

Originally Posted By gmtmaster:
I know where gun control was effective....

Nazi Germany...



Switzerland has my favoured system of gun control
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 7:47:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/11/2005 7:49:20 PM EDT by Rebel_Marine]
Okay, I'll play, Troll.



Originally Posted By Hawker:
saying not having guns keeps crime high is as silly as saying having them reduces crime.
there is still crime here and in the countries where there are no guns.



This is not a crime issue it is an issue of rampant mob violence that goes unchecked. We're not talking about isolated crimes on the unsuspecting by those trying to supply their drug habits. Your argument is a disengenous one. You make the mistake of considering conservatives meandering dolts. That is good. Underestimate us and see where it gets you.


i love my guns,


Yeah, uh-huh.
Spare me the bullshit.


but please, if you can only defend your family with guns, you might wanna move to a nicer hood.


I live in a very nice neighborhood.

Not everyone can.
And no one can defend themselves from a mob without a weapon that can reach out and touch someone.


people defended themselves the same before the invention of guns the same as they do after they were invented.


Not hardly. Now you show your true ingnorance of history, like most socialists.
Once again you are disengenuous in painting this as a crime issue. It is not though certainly that could be argued. You would lose that one also, I am sure.


the world will not come to an end if guns are taken away in certain areas. i think it is wise to remove them in areas where civilians cannot obey the rules of having them eg..most of the bigger cities in the world. blah blah blah....the sky is falling......


No doubt you do. I hope that you and I are one day on the opposite ends of a field of battle.


Fuck 'em. We're the ones with the guns.

They won't stop, ever, until we kick their ass.

That means you, BTW.
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 7:52:17 PM EDT

Originally Posted By thedoctors308:

Originally Posted By Hawker:
saying not having guns keeps crime high is as silly as saying having them reduces crime.
there is still crime here and in the countries where there are no guns.
i love my guns, but please, if you can only defend your family with guns, you might wanna move to a nicer hood. people defended themselves the same before the invention of guns the same as they do after they were invented. the world will not come to an end if guns are taken away in certain areas. i think it is wise to remove them in areas where civilians cannot obey the rules of having them eg..most of the bigger cities in the world. blah blah blah....the sky is falling......



Incorrect.
It takes some degree of skill and training to use a sword, and even then it was illegal for many commoners to own weapons.
And even if your example was factual, ok then.
The people used swords - but that was the peak of weapons technology.
If you want to use a sword in the age of the gun, by all means go ahead.
Make sure to give us a range report.



Yeah, one guy with a sword agianst a mob with them. Not good.
But with a gun. At least you have a chance. At least you can take a few with you, maybe repulse an attack.

Don't sweat "Hawker" though. He is trying to make up an argument as he goes. Talk about a transparent troll....

Link Posted: 9/11/2005 7:56:11 PM EDT

Originally Posted By VTwin60:
yeah so thank the all knowing and all powerful NRA........hr


Blaming the NRA for the current state of our RKBA affairs is roughly equivalent to blaming GWB for Hurricane Katrina.

Gun Control laws have existed in the USA since the USA was a country in spite of the 2nd Amendment.
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 8:04:02 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Hawker:

Originally Posted By Backstop:

Originally Posted By Hawker:
The world would still run though.



Yeah...kind of like England.



And Australia....they seem to be living just fine.



Both countries now have more guns than when guns were legal...They are both much less safe than they used to be...
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 8:04:22 PM EDT

Originally Posted By gmtmaster:
I know where gun control was effective....

Nazi Germany...



Actually Chicago and Washington DC have far more strict gun laws than what Nazi Germany had.
Link Posted: 9/12/2005 5:29:38 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Rebel_Marine:
Okay, I'll play, Troll.



Originally Posted By Hawker:
saying not having guns keeps crime high is as silly as saying having them reduces crime.
there is still crime here and in the countries where there are no guns.



This is not a crime issue it is an issue of rampant mob violence that goes unchecked. We're not talking about isolated crimes on the unsuspecting by those trying to supply their drug habits. Your argument is a disengenous one. You make the mistake of considering conservatives meandering dolts. That is good. Underestimate us and see where it gets you.


i love my guns,


Yeah, uh-huh.
Spare me the bullshit.


but please, if you can only defend your family with guns, you might wanna move to a nicer hood.


I live in a very nice neighborhood.

Not everyone can.
And no one can defend themselves from a mob without a weapon that can reach out and touch someone.


people defended themselves the same before the invention of guns the same as they do after they were invented.


Not hardly. Now you show your true ingnorance of history, like most socialists.
Once again you are disengenuous in painting this as a crime issue. It is not though certainly that could be argued. You would lose that one also, I am sure.


the world will not come to an end if guns are taken away in certain areas. i think it is wise to remove them in areas where civilians cannot obey the rules of having them eg..most of the bigger cities in the world. blah blah blah....the sky is falling......


No doubt you do. I hope that you and I are one day on the opposite ends of a field of battle.


Fuck 'em. We're the ones with the guns.

They won't stop, ever, until we kick their ass.

That means you, BTW.



LOL "'cornholio' " Are you threatening me?"

That's funny
Link Posted: 9/12/2005 5:35:59 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/12/2005 5:36:25 AM EDT by PaoloAR15]
"The best country's army is armed people"

Ernesto Che Guevara.
Link Posted: 9/12/2005 5:40:07 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/12/2005 5:40:36 AM EDT by thedoctors308]

Originally Posted By PaoloAR15:
"The best country's army is armed people"

Ernesto Che Guevara.



"Until after the revolution - then we take their guns and ship them to the gulags."
Fidel Castro
Link Posted: 9/12/2005 5:47:47 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Hawker:

Originally Posted By Rebel_Marine:
Okay, I'll play, Troll.



Originally Posted By Hawker:
saying not having guns keeps crime high is as silly as saying having them reduces crime.
there is still crime here and in the countries where there are no guns.



This is not a crime issue it is an issue of rampant mob violence that goes unchecked. We're not talking about isolated crimes on the unsuspecting by those trying to supply their drug habits. Your argument is a disengenous one. You make the mistake of considering conservatives meandering dolts. That is good. Underestimate us and see where it gets you.


i love my guns,


Yeah, uh-huh.
Spare me the bullshit.


but please, if you can only defend your family with guns, you might wanna move to a nicer hood.


I live in a very nice neighborhood.

Not everyone can.
And no one can defend themselves from a mob without a weapon that can reach out and touch someone.


people defended themselves the same before the invention of guns the same as they do after they were invented.


Not hardly. Now you show your true ingnorance of history, like most socialists.
Once again you are disengenuous in painting this as a crime issue. It is not though certainly that could be argued. You would lose that one also, I am sure.


the world will not come to an end if guns are taken away in certain areas. i think it is wise to remove them in areas where civilians cannot obey the rules of having them eg..most of the bigger cities in the world. blah blah blah....the sky is falling......


No doubt you do. I hope that you and I are one day on the opposite ends of a field of battle.


Fuck 'em. We're the ones with the guns.

They won't stop, ever, until we kick their ass.

That means you, BTW.



LOL "'cornholio' " Are you threatening me?"

That's funny



Not hardly.
I would be lying though if I said that I did not wish the day would come when I would do battle against your kind. IMO you are representative of what is wrong with this country and are a domestic enemy. Further, you are a lying, conniving troll. In short, I despise your kind, but making idle threats on the internet towards someone I am not likely to ever meet is neither useful, nor my style.

My guess is that either your kind will be either utterly defeated or will complete your agenda of destruction on my country. And no, I do not believe this is your country. People like you sold out long ago.
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