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Posted: 5/2/2015 8:34:56 PM EDT
Agree or disagree, and why?

I'm just playing devil's advocate here.
Link Posted: 5/2/2015 8:36:03 PM EDT
I've owned an OD Glock 17 since 2008 and have probably 12krds through it and it's never jammed.
Link Posted: 5/2/2015 8:36:43 PM EDT



all my guns are fine
Link Posted: 5/2/2015 8:37:03 PM EDT
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One of my favorites is a Lee Enfield No.4 Mk1.


I honestly can't see it malfunctioning short of a broken firing pin.


Also, I'm fond of my Vaquero in 45 Colt.

ETA: My primary AR has been flawless, as has the one my dad has had for almost 20 years.

Oddly enough my Arsenal AK has malfunctioned. The factory Arsenal trigger is poop, sometimes it doesn't reset.
Link Posted: 5/2/2015 8:37:46 PM EDT
Because things I build know better than to fuck up
Link Posted: 5/2/2015 8:38:46 PM EDT
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On my extremely reliable firearms, all the malfunctions were either ammo related, magazine related, or the firearms was too dirty. Case in point the slide on my 1991a1 was not coming forward fast enough to strip the next round completely. Oiled and off to the races. That was at about 700 rounds without cleaning from a clean and oiled start point.

My glock 19 has never had an issue that I can recall.. ever.
Link Posted: 5/2/2015 8:39:47 PM EDT
Originally Posted By pointman12:
Agree or disagree, and why?

I'm just playing devil's advocate here.
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U aint shot it enough...sorry things mechanical can break.
Link Posted: 5/2/2015 8:40:25 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/2/2015 8:41:18 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Sputnik556:
One of my favorites is a Lee Enfield No.4 Mk1.


I honestly can't see it malfunctioning short of a broken firing pin.


Also, I'm fond of my Vaquero in 45 Colt.

ETA: My primary AR has been flawless, as has the one my dad has had for almost 20 years.

Oddly enough my Arsenal AK has malfunctioned. The factory Arsenal trigger is poop, sometimes it doesn't reset.
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I've seen more AKs malfunction than ARs. True story.
Link Posted: 5/2/2015 8:43:26 PM EDT
Run any sidearm long enough, and it will choke.

Some quicker and more often than others.

Glock, H&K, Colt, S&W it doesn't matter.

If you havn't had it choke, you're not shooting enough.

The issue is the shooters response.

A 1-2,000k round malfunction, is the same as a 1-400 round malfunction.
Either it is processed and dealt with quickly, as a speed bump, or it leaves the shooter stuck with their thumb in their ass.

Shit happens.

It just happens less often to those who accept the matter.


Link Posted: 5/2/2015 8:43:43 PM EDT
OP's favorite gun must be a 1911.


Link Posted: 5/2/2015 8:44:14 PM EDT
I've several Glocks & revolvers that have never malfed in literally thousands of rounds. None of my bolt action or lever action rifles ever had a problem.

My Daniel Defense AR has only a few thousand rounds & no malfs....

So I disagreed.
Link Posted: 5/2/2015 8:44:16 PM EDT
Most of my guns that have seen serious range time have malfunctioned at some point. My first AR-15 started malfunctioning at about 1,000 rounds. One quick fix later and it has been flawless since. I recently bought a Glock 26 that had some serious feeding issues with the first few magazines, but it seems to have broken in now.
Link Posted: 5/2/2015 8:44:25 PM EDT
Agreed. Malfunctions are not an "if", they're a "when".

Eventually, be it because of mags, ammo, a parts breakage, or shooter error, the gun will do something other than go bang.
Link Posted: 5/2/2015 8:44:29 PM EDT
Agreed.
Some guns I have had only failed from ammo malfunctions, other mechanical.
Either way it took a LOT of rounds.


I'm skeptical of people who claim to have been shooting for ___ years (Typically 20 because people think that means they have lots of experience) but have never had an ammo or part malfunction.
Link Posted: 5/2/2015 8:45:20 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By 32ACP:
I've several Glocks & revolvers that have never malfed in literally thousands of rounds. None of my bolt action or lever action rifles ever had a problem.

My Daniel Defense AR has only a few thousand rounds & no malfs....

So I disagreed.
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Then you haven't shot enough.
Link Posted: 5/2/2015 8:45:35 PM EDT
My 870 goes to the range every trip, whether I'm busting clay or shooting slugs it's never ever had an issue. 26 years now, and I still have never taken off more than the barrel.
Link Posted: 5/2/2015 8:47:01 PM EDT
My Glock 19 choked on me after I threw it into a muddy puddle of water.
Link Posted: 5/2/2015 8:48:03 PM EDT
Firearms will malfunction, just like any other mechanical thing.

I seem to have a lot more ammunition problems though. I guess that is what I get for buying the cheap shit for plinking.
Link Posted: 5/2/2015 8:52:43 PM EDT
In the words of today's youth: whatever

I didn't say I've never had broken parts or malfs, but I do have guns that have fired thousands of rounds & never had a problem. And, I've had guns that went back to the factory 3 times, were still messed up & got traded in.

Statistically, a mechanical device may fail every so often on average, but there are parts that don't fail. And, given that some folks change wear parts, like springs to avoid problems, it's possible & probable.
Link Posted: 5/2/2015 8:53:26 PM EDT
I've got more guns that haven't failed then ones that have.
Link Posted: 5/2/2015 8:54:15 PM EDT
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I had a squib, and take that as my due. (Handgun is Cheery new in the 13k range on my log)

ETA: it has had a ton of manufactured malfunctions in classes.
Link Posted: 5/2/2015 8:55:14 PM EDT
My penis always fires when I stroke it and I expect the same from my firearms. Anything less than 100% is unacceptable for either.
Link Posted: 5/2/2015 8:55:28 PM EDT
Each time I go to the range I always have three or four snap caps mixed in with the normal rounds just so I can practice malfunction drills.

My edc hasn't malfunctioned yet but when it does I want it to be second nature to clear it and 'keep in the fight' so to speak.
Link Posted: 5/2/2015 8:57:28 PM EDT
I have had a SKS and a Bushmaster A2 for about 5 years, neither has failed. My 9mm HI Point has yet failed to fire after about 6 years. My Charter arms AR 7 jams every mag at least 2 times, but it is fun to shoot.

Link Posted: 5/2/2015 8:57:33 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By pointman12:
I've seen more AKs malfunction than ARs. True story.
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This.

I really don't get the whole AK "Epic reliability" thing.
Link Posted: 5/2/2015 8:57:58 PM EDT
It just means you've cared for it and maintained a cleaning and replacement parts schedule that is correct for that gun, and that you've used quality ammo, either factory or hand loads.

Some guns fail anyway, but most today are ammo related by and large if you've maintained your weapon properly.
Link Posted: 5/2/2015 9:00:26 PM EDT
I sell any gun that malfunctions in a way that isn't easily diagnosed and remedied.

Link Posted: 5/2/2015 9:00:52 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By runfrumu:
My penis always fires when I stroke it and I expect the same from my firearms. Anything less than 100% is unacceptable for either.
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The great thing about firearms is that you can shoot at the same target year after year with no malfunctions on the gun's part. Doesn't matter how worn out or torn up the target is, or whether it's been patched.


Can't say the same for the other, though


Link Posted: 5/2/2015 9:01:02 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Madcap72:
Then you haven't shot enough.
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Originally Posted By Madcap72:
Originally Posted By 32ACP:
I've several Glocks & revolvers that have never malfed in literally thousands of rounds. None of my bolt action or lever action rifles ever had a problem.

My Daniel Defense AR has only a few thousand rounds & no malfs....

So I disagreed.
Then you haven't shot enough.


This just turns into the firearms equivalent of "On a long enough timeline..."
Link Posted: 5/2/2015 9:01:52 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Madcap72:
Then you haven't shot enough.
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Originally Posted By Madcap72:
Originally Posted By 32ACP:
I've several Glocks & revolvers that have never malfed in literally thousands of rounds. None of my bolt action or lever action rifles ever had a problem.

My Daniel Defense AR has only a few thousand rounds & no malfs....

So I disagreed.
Then you haven't shot enough.

Anybody that shoots a lot measures those counts in tens of thousands.
Link Posted: 5/2/2015 9:02:09 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By runfrumu:
My penis always fires when I stroke it and I expect the same from my firearms. Anything less than 100% is unacceptable for either.
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Given enough time, they will both fail to perform as designed.
Link Posted: 5/2/2015 9:02:21 PM EDT
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I have had my Beretta since 1997.

It has gone through around 11,000 to 14,000 rounds with the only malfunctions being failures to fire from bad ammo.

My HK has had about 5k and no issues at all.
Link Posted: 5/2/2015 9:02:48 PM EDT
Originally Posted By pointman12:
Agree or disagree, and why?

I'm just playing devil's advocate here.
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My favorite shotgun, my Browning Citori has NEVER malfunctioned.
I'm not sure how much you think I need to shoot it to qualify your statement....
Link Posted: 5/2/2015 9:03:06 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By manji:


This.

I really don't get the whole AK "Epic reliability" thing.
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Originally Posted By manji:
Originally Posted By pointman12:
I've seen more AKs malfunction than ARs. True story.


This.

I really don't get the whole AK "Epic reliability" thing.


Real Soviet AK or Century monkey model?
Link Posted: 5/2/2015 9:03:30 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/2/2015 9:06:42 PM EDT
I had about 15,000 through my issued M&P 40 that I got in late 2006, and had zero stoppages, unless you count an empty magazine or stoppages induced for the purpose of training to clear stoppages.

I got issued a new M&P 40, last year, and with a little over 2000 rounds through, have had numerous failures to lock back on empty magazines and failures of magazines to drop free. I have over 20 magazines, and have had problems with every single one. I have lost confidence in it. I'm not the only one to have problems with the new pistols. The ordnance staff have been less than helpful.

I had zero stoppages with the Sig 226 pistols I carried in the Navy reserve, or the MK14 Mod 0 I carried my second trip to Iraq.

My issued patrol rifle is an M16A1 converted to semi only. I can't recall a stoppage with it,

I can't remember a stoppage with the M40A1 I carried in the USMCR.

I think everything else has had a stoppage of some sort.
Link Posted: 5/2/2015 9:07:16 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By AZ_Sky:

My favorite shotgun, my Browning Citori has NEVER malfunctioned.
I'm not sure how much you think I need to shoot it to qualify your statement....
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Originally Posted By AZ_Sky:
Originally Posted By pointman12:
Agree or disagree, and why?

I'm just playing devil's advocate here.

My favorite shotgun, my Browning Citori has NEVER malfunctioned.
I'm not sure how much you think I need to shoot it to qualify your statement....
I would say the same about my Ithica model 37.
Link Posted: 5/2/2015 9:09:59 PM EDT
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All of my dozen or so handguns had been flawless through countless thousands of rounds until I bought a few boxes of Federal aluminum case.

Everything except the XD choked on that shit. Blown out primers and stovepiped cases at least once per mag. Never again.

ETA: AR is still 100% but only has about 1500 rounds through it.
Link Posted: 5/2/2015 9:11:05 PM EDT
I've had my G23 since 1999

I have thousands of rounds through it

It has never malfunctioned
Link Posted: 5/2/2015 9:12:41 PM EDT
Horsehocky


If your favorite gun malfunctions, it should no longer be your favorite

Link Posted: 5/2/2015 9:14:06 PM EDT
Both my 1911 TRP and cz75 have had north of 10k rounds and have never jammed.

My glock has had 1
Link Posted: 5/2/2015 9:15:35 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By GTwannabe:
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Probably "Century monkey models" to be honest... I never inquired as to their make on those occasions.
Link Posted: 5/2/2015 9:16:26 PM EDT
Glock 19 - Only failures were all ammo related.

1911 - Bad ammo and being too dirty.

ARs (eight of them in different calibers) - Failure to feed/eject/cycle, my first .308 went full auto and sheered the rear takedown lug off, bolt seized up in carrier, bad ammo... They run pretty solid right now though.
Link Posted: 5/2/2015 9:18:04 PM EDT
Agreed.
Link Posted: 5/2/2015 9:18:56 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Modly:
Glock 19 - Only failures were all ammo related.

1911 - Bad ammo and being too dirty.

ARs (eight of them in different calibers) - Failure to feed/eject/cycle, my first .308 went full auto and sheered the rear takedown lug off, bolt seized up in carrier, bad ammo... They run pretty solid right now though.
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Damn.
Link Posted: 5/2/2015 9:20:49 PM EDT
Yes, mechanical parts wear every time you pull the trigger. Overtime, it will malfunction or break eventually.
Link Posted: 5/2/2015 9:22:57 PM EDT
In this thread we find the operators who shoot 500k rounds a year.
Link Posted: 5/2/2015 9:29:49 PM EDT
Yup, broke off the plastic bolt handle on my Nylon 66 today. After 56 years, I guess it was due. Luckily I keep a spare.
Link Posted: 5/2/2015 9:31:08 PM EDT
I've never had a malfunction on my Rem 870. Then again I take care of it.
Link Posted: 5/2/2015 9:33:28 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By AnticitizenOne:
My 870 goes to the range every trip, whether I'm busting clay or shooting slugs it's never ever had an issue. 26 years now, and I still have never taken off more than the barrel.
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I made a good living for many years, unfucking 870's that had feeding problems.

I can stake shell stops in my fucking sleep, even years after the nightmare.

Keep doing what you are doing. I don't care if it involves Virgins, moonlight, and livestock.
I will not think less of you.

Give that 870 a hug, and tuck it in at night.
The good ones rate it.

Remmie USED to have a clue.



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