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Posted: 6/3/2010 9:05:04 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/3/2010 9:07:24 AM EDT by mjohn3006]


Which would you prefer as a sidearm for quiet work? A suppressed Ruger MkII or 9mm?

Weapon choices in movies often do NOT take into consideration the noise made by guns with REAL silencers. Oh of course you can use the .308. It is quiet as a mouse fart with this here silencer on it.

But lets compare the two.

Ruger MKII
Pros: "Hollywood" quiet. Reliable. Accurate. Low recoil. Small and light weigh.
Cons: 10 round mag. It is a 22.

9mm
Pros: 15+ round capacity. Much more powerful than a 22.
Cons: NOT "Hollywood quiet". Much larger/heavier suppressor

I am kind of leaning towards 22. sub sonic 9mm's are much quieter than unsuppressed, but still. If you shot it around other people, they would go WTF was that! It is not hollywood.  If you are a SPEC OPS expert, you supposedly can hit the broad side of a barn. So shot placement should be easy enough, and you supposedly good enough at getting surprise on your target.

My personal items.



Link Posted: 6/3/2010 9:07:11 AM EDT
9mm seems obvious.

If I'm shooting at you, hopefully you will NEVER notice how loud it is.
Link Posted: 6/3/2010 9:08:20 AM EDT
Originally Posted By simplemitch:
9mm seems obvious.

If I'm shooting at you, hopefully you will NEVER notice how loud it is.


The problem is other people hearing.  If you only cared about the person you shot at, then why suppress at all?
Link Posted: 6/3/2010 9:08:40 AM EDT
i want a 45....
Link Posted: 6/3/2010 9:08:42 AM EDT
Chuck Norris' Delta Force Kick
Link Posted: 6/3/2010 9:09:02 AM EDT
Poll Fail.  No choice for suppressed .45

Link Posted: 6/3/2010 9:09:09 AM EDT
Mark 23 is the only answer.
Link Posted: 6/3/2010 9:09:42 AM EDT
Originally Posted By simplemitch:
9mm seems obvious.

If I'm shooting at you, hopefully you will NEVER notice how loud it is.


But others might.  I'll take the .22.  Shot placement
Link Posted: 6/3/2010 9:10:38 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/3/2010 9:12:37 AM EDT by Cowboy77]
yea, definitely 9mm...preferably out of an MP5SD

ETA:
Link Posted: 6/3/2010 9:11:08 AM EDT
What do you mean "if" I were in one?  
Link Posted: 6/3/2010 9:11:17 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/3/2010 9:14:04 AM EDT by Polupharmakos]
I would go with what Vincent used.

ETA:

Link Posted: 6/3/2010 9:11:31 AM EDT
It really just depends on your mission set [shrug]
Link Posted: 6/3/2010 9:11:51 AM EDT



Originally Posted By orangelo:


Chuck Norris' Delta Force Kick


and Rocket Equipped Motorcycle, you know the one that shoots them both forwards and backwards



 
Link Posted: 6/3/2010 9:14:33 AM EDT
You don't remember me do you?  We spoke on the phone a few days ago.  I told you I would find you...  *pew* *pew* *pew* *pew*
Link Posted: 6/3/2010 9:15:27 AM EDT
Originally Posted By RePp:
i want a 45....


This...Poll Fail...no .45 acp option.
Link Posted: 6/3/2010 9:15:49 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Cowboy77:
yea, definitely 9mm...preferably out of an MP5SD

ETA:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d3/MP5SD.JPG/800px-MP5SD.JPG


WIN!

Link Posted: 6/3/2010 9:16:36 AM EDT
I have my own Nunchuck skills.

Link Posted: 6/3/2010 9:17:02 AM EDT
Suppressed Glock 17 with Glock 18 mags or an MP5k with a forward grip,  folding stock and suppressor
Link Posted: 6/3/2010 9:18:31 AM EDT
Didn't a very similar thread just get locked?
Link Posted: 6/3/2010 9:18:36 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Polupharmakos:
I would go with what Vincent used.

ETA:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v258/Phillippos/Coll-MkII.jpg


Looks from the angle in that pic that ole Vincent is going to give that guy a haircut, nothing more.  
Link Posted: 6/3/2010 9:18:58 AM EDT
Throwing stars and piano wire garrot.
Link Posted: 6/3/2010 9:19:42 AM EDT
The fist under my beard.
Link Posted: 6/3/2010 9:21:52 AM EDT
I'd go with an OTs-38.  Say what you will, but the ruskies are masters of quiet guns.
Link Posted: 6/3/2010 9:22:12 AM EDT
MKII FTW!!!!
Link Posted: 6/3/2010 9:25:08 AM EDT
depends on the mission parameters and how many adversaries.

For example, lets say we are going out to retrieve some intel thats only guarded by 4-5 guys then I'll take the Ruger in a heartbeat, however If the force is any larger than that and we can't sneak around as much once they notice the dead guys that will inevitably start piling up, I'll take the 9mm.
Link Posted: 6/3/2010 9:28:47 AM EDT
This thread makes me want to draw a liger.
Link Posted: 6/3/2010 9:31:25 AM EDT
Short-barreled .300 Whisper SD bolt gun.  Quiet as the .22, heavy bullet for knock-down power, effective to 100 yards (on deer, at least).
Link Posted: 6/3/2010 9:36:07 AM EDT
Welrod.



Link Posted: 6/3/2010 9:37:00 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/3/2010 9:37:46 AM EDT by ecgRN]
Skillz...

I'd use them.

Originally Posted By TheGerman:
This thread makes me want to draw a liger.


Link Posted: 6/3/2010 9:38:10 AM EDT
Link Posted: 6/3/2010 9:38:43 AM EDT
Link Posted: 6/3/2010 9:39:48 AM EDT



Originally Posted By Chris0013:



Originally Posted By RePp:

i want a 45....




This...Poll Fail...no .45 acp option.
.45 for the win



 
Link Posted: 6/3/2010 9:40:15 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/3/2010 9:41:24 AM EDT by mike12345]
a .22 vpistol dosent give you  much to fight back with if they catch you. I have to say a silenced .45

Are you going to shoot it out with BG with an ak47 with your .22 pistol?
Link Posted: 6/3/2010 9:41:53 AM EDT
Wasn't there a thread here a while back that had a video of a real "Hollywood quiet" suppressor mounted on a .45?
I remember being impressed with the lack of sound.
Link Posted: 6/3/2010 9:42:32 AM EDT
Link Posted: 6/3/2010 9:42:52 AM EDT
Originally Posted By redoubt:
Wasn't there a thread here a while back that had a video of a real "Hollywood quiet" suppressor mounted on a .45?
I remember being impressed with the lack of sound.


aac blackbox
Link Posted: 6/3/2010 9:45:48 AM EDT
Originally Posted By mjohn3006:


Which would you prefer as a sidearm for quiet work? A suppressed Ruger MkII or 9mm?

Weapon choices in movies often do NOT take into consideration the noise made by guns with REAL silencers. Oh of course you can use the .308. It is quiet as a mouse fart with this here silencer on it.

But lets compare the two.

Ruger MKII
Pros: "Hollywood" quiet. Reliable. Accurate. Low recoil. Small and light weigh.
Cons: 10 round mag. It is a 22.

9mm
Pros: 15+ round capacity. Much more powerful than a 22.
Cons: NOT "Hollywood quiet". Much larger/heavier suppressor

I am kind of leaning towards 22. sub sonic 9mm's are much quieter than unsuppressed, but still. If you shot it around other people, they would go WTF was that! It is not hollywood.  If you are a SPEC OPS expert, you supposedly can hit the broad side of a barn. So shot placement should be easy enough, and you supposedly good enough at getting surprise on your target.

My personal items.

http://nullbits.foxxz.net/albums/gun/IMG_0676.sized.jpg

http://nullbits.foxxz.net/albums/gun/IMG_2750.sized.jpg


I honestly cannot give you a firm answer on this.  It would be a mission specific choice based on the mission criteria and intelligence gathered.  I might need "hollywierd" quiet using a .22 or a little sound could be tolorated with a 9mm suppressed.... or I might need a .300 whisper on a bolt gun or M16 platform...

Nice toys by the way...  
Link Posted: 6/3/2010 9:48:42 AM EDT
Suppressed .45 is the winner here.

When you can only go up to a certain speed, mass becomes your ally.

Personally, for that kind of work, Id go with hand loaded .38spl with 180gr bullets going about 950fps
Link Posted: 6/3/2010 9:49:45 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/3/2010 9:54:20 AM EDT by EagleArmsHBAR]
.22 for me!  




 



I currently have a P22/Warlock setup, but I eventually want to get a .45 supressor. But, then I'd have to get a .45 with a threaded barrel like an HK or something.  That is, unless a 1911 could be made reliable with a supressor attached.  I think I head over to the NFA forum now....Damn you!
Link Posted: 6/3/2010 9:55:17 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Sturmgewehr-JD:
Suppressed .45 is the winner here.

When you can only go up to a certain speed, mass becomes your ally.

Personally, for that kind of work, Id go with hand loaded .38spl with 180gr bullets going about 950fps


Cylinder gap on a revolver is problematic, unless it's a Nagant with gas seal.
Link Posted: 6/3/2010 9:58:38 AM EDT
I am a fan of 9 mm semiauto pistols.

45 is surpassed, heavy, ballistically has no advantages above the 9 mm. In terms of energy they have both the same energy, but 45 has far less penetration.

But...

If I have to use a suppressed handgun, I'd stick for 45 ACP: at full power is still a subsonic born cartridge.
Link Posted: 6/3/2010 10:01:33 AM EDT
None. I am a shitty pistol shot and even shittier fighter.  I do look good in SPEC OPS gear though.

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Link Posted: 6/3/2010 10:02:50 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/3/2010 10:03:16 AM EDT by DriftPunch]
A suppressed Nagant revolver would be essentially impossible to beat for absolute stealth.  Weak, yes, but still much more powerful than a ..22.
Link Posted: 6/3/2010 10:02:53 AM EDT
Originally Posted By strat81:
Originally Posted By Sturmgewehr-JD:
Suppressed .45 is the winner here.

When you can only go up to a certain speed, mass becomes your ally.

Personally, for that kind of work, Id go with hand loaded .38spl with 180gr bullets going about 950fps


Cylinder gap on a revolver is problematic, unless it's a Nagant with gas seal.


Use a real slow burning powder like Alliant Blue Dot and most of your problem is solved.

.45 Auto is a better choice, in general. I just prefer wheelguns

Link Posted: 6/3/2010 10:03:31 AM EDT
Originally Posted By VTHOKIESHOOTER:
Poll Fail.  No choice for suppressed .45


Link Posted: 6/3/2010 10:11:43 AM EDT
Suppressed P226
Link Posted: 6/3/2010 10:11:47 AM EDT
Originally Posted By mike12345:
a .22 vpistol dosent give you  much to fight back with if they catch you. I have to say a silenced .45

Are you going to shoot it out with BG with an ak47 with your .22 pistol?




It's a silent takedown BACKUP weapon.
Link Posted: 6/3/2010 10:14:16 AM EDT
Originally Posted By strat81:
Originally Posted By Sturmgewehr-JD:
Suppressed .45 is the winner here.

When you can only go up to a certain speed, mass becomes your ally.

Personally, for that kind of work, Id go with hand loaded .38spl with 180gr bullets going about 950fps


Cylinder gap on a revolver is problematic, unless it's a Nagant with gas seal.


I have one of those too.

Link Posted: 6/3/2010 10:15:32 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Hojo:
I'd go with an OTs-38.  Say what you will, but the ruskies are masters of quiet guns.


How does that work with out a suppressor?  The pics I'm seeing lack a muzzle device.
Link Posted: 6/3/2010 10:16:36 AM EDT
Originally Posted By TheGerman:
This thread makes me want to draw a liger.


lol...
Link Posted: 6/3/2010 10:17:58 AM EDT
I voted 9mm, but I'd much rather have a suppressed .45.
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