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Posted: 9/12/2004 11:45:24 AM EST
Would you want a semi-auto rifle or a bolt action?Personally,I would want a Semi.What say you?
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 11:46:17 AM EST
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 11:46:41 AM EST
Bolt
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 11:47:07 AM EST
depends..... a lot... what kind of shooting?

-Roth
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 11:47:24 AM EST
Bolt.
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 11:47:34 AM EST
Bolt. In .408 CheyTac.
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 11:48:34 AM EST
I thought the post was gonna ask who you'd shoot. Michael Moore's fat ass. Anybody could hit him from 1000 yards out.
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 11:48:36 AM EST
What kind of shooting?Bad guy shooting.Ranges from 100 to 600+ yards.Desert environment.
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 11:49:05 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/12/2004 11:50:25 AM EST by kindstranger]
Bolt, because I'd still have a sidearm and my spotter would have an M4 or equivalent.

If I were a designated marksman, then I would want an accurized semi-auto in .308 with a 22-24" barrel.
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 11:50:13 AM EST
I would use the M40A1 in my closet.

I would stick with a bolt gun, assuming I had a spotter with an SPR.
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 11:51:45 AM EST
Bolt.
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 11:54:00 AM EST
I dont get it,why is bolt so popular?Not going against it or anything.I just think a Semi would be just as good.
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 11:56:27 AM EST
The farthest I would shoot is 600yds, and I like semiauto so m-14. Or, mabe that neat H&K thing Dieter used in Rainbow 6!
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 11:56:53 AM EST
because it doesn't spit the spent shell out which can give away your location
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 11:57:57 AM EST
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 11:58:01 AM EST
Bolts are more accurate...simple as that.

The PSG-1 is the best semi auto snipe rifle in the world, but still I'd take a M24.
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 11:58:34 AM EST
One Shot One Kill .............

Bolts have always held a slight edge in accuracy .
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 11:59:30 AM EST
If I were expecting to engage high-value targets at long (to me, 400+ yards) ranges, I'd want a bolt gun.

If I were operating in a multiple-target environment, where there was a chance I'd have to make the rifle do double-duty in relatively close combat, or where I might have a chance to engage several targets at modest ranges, I'd take a semi-auto, though there are few that I'd consider appropriate. The AR-10 comes to mind, as does a properly done M1A.

The bolt gun's main advantage isn't so much the additional accuracy as it is the far superior trigger. Hitting small targets at long ranges has two components....the first is knowing where to aim and when to shoot.

This is largely science, and can be taught to anyone who's slightly mathematically inclined.

The second part is pulling the trigger. This is an artistic skill, so to speak, and while it can be taught, some will always be better at it than others, and better triggers make it easier, period.


<----2 pounds, no creep, no overtravel, please!
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 12:00:35 PM EST
Under 300 yards, Semi automatic
over 300 yards, Bolt
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 12:00:41 PM EST
Bolt gun - but I would prefer a detachable magazine.
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 12:01:00 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/12/2004 12:01:12 PM EST by mtechgunman]
get both

ETA:
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 12:23:27 PM EST
A semi SR-25 or AR-10 worked over by GA Precision will be as good as many high end bolts out there. I like the ability to take multiple shots quickly if needed.



BTW I use a semi at work when spotting but when I'm on the gun it's a bolt. I can't change the bosses minds on the subject...yet.
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 12:28:07 PM EST
one reason i prefer a bolt over a semi is brass ejection. I can ease the casing out of a bolt so there is no reflection off the brass , like you can get with a semi as it cycles. If someone is looking for you , that can play a big role. I guess it all depends on what you're doing with the rifle. JMO


J
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 12:35:38 PM EST
I could never be a sniper...but IF I was I would use a bolt. What type of bolt??? Maybe a Sako TRG-42...

MT
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 1:24:08 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/12/2004 1:24:56 PM EST by Special-K]
I would prefer a semi. My NM M1A is as accurate as most factory bolt guns, I can shoot 3 round clover leafs pretty consistantly. The golden standard for a sniper is 1 MOA, which I can achieve with this rifle. The SA M25 White Feather is more accurate still. Other rifles include the HK PSG-1 and the MSG-90, the SR-25, and others. I don't think the brass ejection is a huge issue, though is something to consider. I personally prefer the ability to fire a faster follow up shot to either the same target or another target. This is good not only with multiple targets, but with equipment also.
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 1:29:21 PM EST
Bolt. I would have 100% confidence in the thing firing at all times.

Additionally, I wouldn't have to worry as much about fouling back into the gun affecting its performance.

I could pack hotter loads that most wouldn't have within a mile of their semis.

Additionally, the mechanisims inside are simpler. If something breaks, replacing it is not as big of a deal.
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 1:38:07 PM EST
I like a semi. It may be because I grew up with a .22 Browning semi-auto.
I got really used to having that quick second shot.

I was once using a bolt-action for Elk hunting and forgot to move the bolt for the second shot.

Link Posted: 9/12/2004 1:46:03 PM EST
Depends, as others have said.


If I am going to try and take a CNS shot of a person holding a baby or other hostage in front of them, I'm gonna pick the bolt action I've trained on and know exactly where the cold bore shot will go. If I am in a combat sit and simply need to put metal in flesh, I'm taking the auto........
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 1:46:07 PM EST
With stout recoiling rifle rounds, I am no faster with a semi-auto than a bolt gun - I can usually have the bolt cycled before the rifle settles back for a second shot.

I'll take complete control over loading and unloading - and the ability to do both silently, less maintenance, and better reliability anyday - and this from someone who owns an M21.
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 1:53:58 PM EST
I agree with arowneragain and Special-K

bolt's are no more accurate than semi's, a weapons accuracy is effected by a number of things. it all depends on build, example a $5000 SR25 or a $1000 PSG1 will always outperform the 329.99 special at Walmart, theres trigger, optics, chamber, thinkness of the barrel, effects of moister on the weapon and all kind of things.

two things that i noticed about this subject

1 people tend to rush shots when the have semi's which leads to poor marksmenship

2 most of the semis people come in contact with, are you run of the mil standard semi rifle, are the ar, ak, hk, or what ever just look at the G3 and the PSG1 same basic weapon, diffrent componants and wide margin of accuracy 3 inchs for the g3 opposed to much beter with the PSG1
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 1:53:59 PM EST
I would do the honorable thing and turn myself into the authorities, then promptly throw myself before the mercy of the courts.

Oh, and try real hard not to be somebodys bitch

But, to be serious I would turn in my bolt action sniper rifle.
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 1:57:10 PM EST

Originally Posted By Special-K:
The golden standard for a sniper is 1 MOA, which I can achieve with this rifle.



..Pfft.. 1 MOA won't even hardly get you in the game.
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 1:59:44 PM EST
Give me the Mission, the Commander's Intent, the Enemy Situation....

...THEN I will tell you what weapons are required.

Link Posted: 9/12/2004 2:04:02 PM EST

Originally Posted By dpmmn:
Under 300 yards, Semi automatic
over 300 yards, Bolt



+1

Link Posted: 9/12/2004 2:04:15 PM EST
An Australian crossbow. I hear they've become popular.


( Rem.700PSS DM .308 )

Link Posted: 9/12/2004 2:07:41 PM EST

Originally Posted By m4hk33:
I agree with arowneragain and Special-K

bolt's are no more accurate than semi's, a weapons accuracy is effected by a number of things. it all depends on build, example a $5000 SR25 or a $10000 PSG1 will always outperform the 329.99 special at Walmart, theres trigger, optics, chamber, thinkness of the barrel, effects of moister on the weapon and all kind of things.

two things that i noticed about this subject

1 people tend to rush shots when the have semi's which leads to poor marksmenship

2 most of the semis people come in contact with, are you run of the mil standard semi rifle, are the ar, ak, hk, or what ever just look at the G3 and the PSG1 same basic weapon, diffrent componants and wide margin of accuracy 3 inchs for the g3 opposed to much beter with the PSG1



Fixed it for ya.
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 2:12:35 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/12/2004 2:15:51 PM EST by Old_Painless]
I believe that I will take my Accuracy International - AE.



Why?



Thanks for asking.
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 2:23:10 PM EST

Originally Posted By jaeger_1969:

Originally Posted By Special-K:
The golden standard for a sniper is 1 MOA, which I can achieve with this rifle.



..Pfft.. 1 MOA won't even hardly get you in the game.



In competition? No. In combat? Yes. My head is about 8 inches wide, and I'd bet that's about the average. At 600 yards, that puts you at about 1.3 MOA. In the game? I think so. Maybe not the GOLDEN standard, but fairly good, especially in field conditions.

Why, what do you shoot?
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 6:26:55 PM EST

Originally Posted By Old_Painless:
I believe that I will take my Accuracy International - AE.

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Why?

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Thanks for asking.



Sweet. Most people who see a competent bolt action rifle shooter (like an NRA highpower competitor) in action cannot believe their eyes when the see the speed and accuracy that can be brought to bear with one.

How's ten well aimed shots (<2 MOA) at 300 yards in under 70 seconds suit all you semi auto fans?
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