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Posted: 9/8/2005 8:09:01 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/8/2005 8:12:34 PM EDT by NYPatriot]
... cause that's exactly what's going to happen when NYC, Chicago, KC, Dallas, etc. gets hit by a bio, chem or nuclear attack!

A state of emergency will be declared, the area will be deemed uninhabitable, and before too long we will see a repeat of the travesty that's taking place down in NO!

I've said it before but it bears repeating under the circumstances: During times like these, people like to say that this is the begining of the end of our once great Republic. Those folks are wrong... it's actually more like the middle of the end!!!

I'm fucking numb with anger right now...
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 8:10:26 PM EDT
But........but......the LEOs will refuse to do that....right ??
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 8:11:14 PM EDT
Unless there also happens to be alot of water around and you lost them all when trying to evac.


Link Posted: 9/8/2005 8:11:30 PM EDT
Come and get em. The lead reinforced gate will be locked though.
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 8:12:05 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SPECTRE:

But........but......the LEOs will refuse to do that....right ??




Link Posted: 9/8/2005 8:12:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/8/2005 8:13:35 PM EDT by Mauser101]

Originally Posted By SPECTRE:
But........but......the LEOs will refuse to do that....right ??



See video in the great big thread. Several criminal scum and oath breakers have already assaulting upstanding citizens for the crime of owning firearms and protecting their homes.
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 8:14:22 PM EDT

Originally Posted By fight4yourrights:

Originally Posted By SPECTRE:

But........but......the LEOs will refuse to do that....right ??




home.earthlink.net/~bradgn/images/michpo.jpg




But they have always said they wouldn't do that !!
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 8:17:27 PM EDT
You can assume it would only happen in that particular city. The libs would use it as justification to disarm the country but it woulden't fly.
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 8:17:44 PM EDT
I have a few questions here:

1. Since when is the Chief of Police for New Orleans in command of Oklahoma National Guard troops? Why are they following his orders to confiscate privately owned weapons?

2. Where is the Commander-in-Chief? Didn't we elect his dumb ass because we thought Kerry was going to take our guns? Why isn't Bush doing anything to stop this shit?

3. What happened to posse commitus (or however the fuck you spell it)? I thought it was against federal law to use the military for law enforcement. Don't national guard troops activated in another state fall under the command of the Penatgon?

4. Isn't there something in the oath of enlistment about upholding and defending the constitution from all foes forgien and domestic?
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 8:19:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/8/2005 8:20:11 PM EDT by Boom_Stick]

Originally Posted By motown_steve:
3. What happened to posse commitus (or however the fuck you spell it)? I thought it was against federal law to use the military for law enforcement. Don't national guard troops activated in another state fall under the command of the Penatgon?


LEOs are making the arrests and doing the confiscating.


4. Isn't there something in the oath of enlistment about upholding and defending the constitution from all foes forgien and domestic?

Yep. They would have to suspend posse whatever to use the military to confiscate firearms. Right now their just patrolling and assisting the LEOs but not making arrests or confiscating.
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 8:19:49 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SPECTRE:

Originally Posted By fight4yourrights:

Originally Posted By SPECTRE:

But........but......the LEOs will refuse to do that....right ??




home.earthlink.net/~bradgn/images/michpo.jpg




But they have always said they wouldn't do that !!



Don't worry, the city of New Orleans is under martial law. These officers can keep their conscience clear with the fact that the US Constitution doesn't apply there anymore.
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 8:21:24 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Boom_Stick:

Originally Posted By motown_steve:
3. What happened to posse commitus (or however the fuck you spell it)? I thought it was against federal law to use the military for law enforcement. Don't national guard troops activated in another state fall under the command of the Penatgon?


LEOs are making the arrests and doing the confiscating.




The National Guard is doing it too. See the 15 page thread and watch the video. Oklahoma NG units are patroling and confiscating.

Link Posted: 9/8/2005 8:23:30 PM EDT
The mayor NOLA and gov of LA are trying salvage what political careers they have left. They would love to peices, if there was a firefight between the citizens and the govt.
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 8:29:56 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SPECTRE:
But........but......the LEOs will refuse to do that....right ??



I bet 90% of LEOs and Military would have NO PROBLEM with disarming us. The LE and military folks who frequent gun boards do not represent the majority of their peers.
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 8:33:24 PM EDT

Originally Posted By motown_steve:

Originally Posted By Boom_Stick:

Originally Posted By motown_steve:
3. What happened to posse commitus (or however the fuck you spell it)? I thought it was against federal law to use the military for law enforcement. Don't national guard troops activated in another state fall under the command of the Penatgon?


LEOs are making the arrests and doing the confiscating.




The National Guard is doing it too. See the 15 page thread and watch the video. Oklahoma NG units are patroling and confiscating.



Do the NG units overseas get sent by the will of the State or the Fed? Can a State refuse to send trops overseas? If the trops are from other states, are they considered Federal troops?

How does all this workout?
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 8:36:52 PM EDT
I think the best way to handle this is in court, where it will probably head for an upper court, but SHTF, a major nationwide house to house confiscation would take years, now is the right time to study CACHES
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 8:38:22 PM EDT
Notice the conspicuous absence of the blue-liners?

<crickets>
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 8:40:13 PM EDT

Originally Posted By cobra-ak:
I think the best way to handle this is in court, where it will probably head for an upper court, but SHTF, a major nationwide house to house confiscation would take years, now is the right time to study CACHES



If you have to bury it then you're going to need it.
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 8:41:25 PM EDT

Do the NG units overseas get sent by the will of the State or the Fed? Can a State refuse to send trops overseas? If the trops are from other states, are they considered Federal troops?

How does all this workout?




NG troops are under the Governor of the state they're from unless Federalized by order of the Pres.

NG or active troops cannot be used on US for law enforcement unless posse commitatus is suspended by the president.
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 8:42:24 PM EDT
Vid
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 8:43:09 PM EDT

Originally Posted By motown_steve:

Originally Posted By cobra-ak:
I think the best way to handle this is in court, where it will probably head for an upper court, but SHTF, a major nationwide house to house confiscation would take years, now is the right time to study CACHES



If you have to bury it then you're going to need it. it's time to USE IT!

Link Posted: 9/8/2005 8:50:36 PM EDT
I dont like the video that FredM posted. That sucks.
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 8:55:48 PM EDT
and next time they will be better at it and much more fluid in operations. This is a hell of a training op.
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 8:59:35 PM EDT
As previously mentioned, the practice of "stashing" some gear is becoming
more and more realavant, sad but true. The Government has proven
time and time again that your freedoms do not matter.
We are no longer a Nation whom prides itself on Individualism
and our Individual liberties. LEOs, NG, US Military, etc
will buckle under political pressure to do whatever is necessary
to keep us herded like cattle, and safe from ourselves.
The Golden Age is over boys and girls.....

myit
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 9:04:44 PM EDT
Thats the beauty of being a Grandpa.

Way less to lose proving a point.


GM
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 9:09:18 PM EDT
tag
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 9:14:55 PM EDT
The "republic" has been dead for a loooooooooooong time now.
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 9:27:46 PM EDT
What are the odds of being allowed to pack up all your hardware, and leaving town with it at this point?

Link Posted: 9/8/2005 9:33:24 PM EDT
Cope
I'd say Nil...

Link Posted: 9/8/2005 9:38:04 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Painter:
I dont like the video that FredM posted. That sucks.



Lemmie tell ya - when I saw that American flag hanging over the hatch in the NG CIC, I just about PUKED. How DARE they willingly violate the Constitution, disarming US Citizens that are LAWFULLY and PEACEABLY defending their communities?

Link Posted: 9/8/2005 9:55:38 PM EDT

Originally Posted By samsong:

Originally Posted By Painter:
I dont like the video that FredM posted. That sucks.



Lemmie tell ya - when I saw that American flag hanging over the hatch in the NG CIC, I just about PUKED. How DARE they willingly violate the Constitution, disarming US Citizens that are LAWFULLY and PEACEABLY defending their communities?




See, that's the problem. The sheeple don't see themselves as having "the authority" to do such an unthinkable thing. We are seeing decades of the socialist Nanny State mentality coming to the forefront. When things become an "emergency" or "disaster" or "terrorist incident" or whatever the "event of the day" is, it's time to simply bleat and those "In Authority" take over and run your lives. Those "In Authority" have been convinced and conditioned that ANYTHING can be done under the guise of "It's an emergency" and we're seeing that IN SPADES.

Day and days of video have shown EXACTLY how pervasive that mindset has become. Pervasive to the point where even self-preservation instincts have been suppressed and those facing IMMINENT DEATH *STILL* simply follow orders to be rounded up and placed in "sheeple containment zones". It's just like those films we've seen during wars where people about to be executed dig their own graves and quietly kneel to be shot in the back of the head, never ONCE even offering the slightest bit of resistance.

I'm getting as far away from urban Amerika as I possibly can. I will be DAMNED if I WILLINGLY put myself in a situation where my choices are limited to becoming totally subservient to Government when anything goes wrong or standing my ground and possibly dying for it. What's happening in NOLA proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that when things get rough anything remotely regarding civil liberties and CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS will be cast aside in a heartbeat.
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 10:04:28 PM EDT
Sad, sad day in America.

While we have brave souls laying it on the line to defend our way of life overseas, sworn officers and military are here on OUR FUCKING SHORES raping the constitution.

Sickens me to my core.
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 10:06:35 PM EDT

Originally Posted By swingset:
Sad, sad day in America.

While we have brave souls laying it on the line to defend our way of life overseas, sworn officers and military are here on OUR FUCKING SHORES raping the constitution.

Sickens me to my core.

+1
And I fear that it's only going to get progressively worse, over time.
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 10:06:47 PM EDT
I knew I didn't want to watch that video


Link Posted: 9/8/2005 10:15:10 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/8/2005 10:16:12 PM EDT by distributor_of_pain]
Proof that a defensive strategy will never work.
I hope none of you actually thought that.You think those guys in the video ever said, "If they come to get my guns, they can have them!" Hell no, but when you look out your window and see 25 armed soldiers, your will to defend the Constitution gets a kick in the nuts I'm sure.

I mean, it's fun to say "tragic boating accident", and "If they knock on my door"

The truth is, if you have waited to this point, you aren't going to do a damn thing, and if you do, regardless of how big a fight you put up, you will eventually be killed.

We need to get to know each other a little better

ETA: You and your dog

Link Posted: 9/8/2005 10:26:51 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/8/2005 10:27:29 PM EDT by luckypunk]

Originally Posted By distributor_of_pain:
Proof that a defensive strategy will never work.
I hope none of you actually thought that.You think those guys in the video ever said, "If they come to get my guns, they can have them!" Hell no, but when you look out your window and see 25 armed soldiers, your will to defend the Constitution gets a kick in the nuts I'm sure.

I mean, it's fun to say "tragic boating accident", and "If they knock on my door"

The truth is, if you have waited to this point, you aren't going to do a damn thing, and if you do, regardless of how big a fight you put up, you will eventually be killed.

We need to get to know each other a little better

ETA: You and your dog






The video puts a sick feeling in my stomach.

how can they take the peoples weapons but allow them to stay. nice...that is 100% wrong
the place is a disaster area yes, so get the fuck out till it's pumped out, but leave them their weapons.

can't say I'll feel sorry for a "confiscator" when someone votes from the rooftops

Link Posted: 9/8/2005 10:41:58 PM EDT

Originally Posted By luckypunk:

Originally Posted By distributor_of_pain:
Proof that a defensive strategy will never work.
I hope none of you actually thought that.You think those guys in the video ever said, "If they come to get my guns, they can have them!" Hell no, but when you look out your window and see 25 armed soldiers, your will to defend the Constitution gets a kick in the nuts I'm sure.

I mean, it's fun to say "tragic boating accident", and "If they knock on my door"

The truth is, if you have waited to this point, you aren't going to do a damn thing, and if you do, regardless of how big a fight you put up, you will eventually be killed.

We need to get to know each other a little better

ETA: You and your dog






The video puts a sick feeling in my stomach.

how can they take the peoples weapons but allow them to stay. nice...that is 100% wrong
the place is a disaster area yes, so get the fuck out till it's pumped out, but leave them their weapons.

can't say I'll feel sorry for a "confiscator" when someone votes from the rooftops




Yup. At that point I'm sorry to say but the NG troops are the enemy. that is just fucking wrong and I hope everyone of those mother fuckers goes on trial.
Motherfuckers!
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 10:50:18 PM EDT

Originally Posted By FredM:
Vid



Does someone have a link that is Fire Fox friendly?
Video wont work for me.
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 10:53:21 PM EDT
All I get is sound, granted I'm pissed enough just hearing these treasonous cocksuckers, but I get no picture.
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 10:58:15 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ErinMT:
All I get is sound, granted I'm pissed enough just hearing these treasonous cocksuckers, but I get no picture.



You need divx to see the video.
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 10:59:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/8/2005 11:00:52 PM EDT by urbankaos04]
I can't believe what I just saw! How can they justify the confiscation of weapons from people who are simply protecting their homes???? WTF?


SO, THEN, IN A SHTF SITUATION NOT ONLY DO WE HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THE CRIMINAL ELEMENT, BUT OUR MILITARY AND LOCAL GOV AS WELL. NICE.
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 11:09:10 PM EDT
This may be comming sooner than I thought.




§ 9.31. SELF-DEFENSE. (a) Except as provided in
Subsection (b), a person is justified in using force against
another when and to the degree he reasonably believes the force is
immediately necessary to protect himself against the other's use or
attempted use of unlawful force.
(b) The use of force against another is not justified:
(1) in response to verbal provocation alone;
(2) to resist an arrest or search that the actor knows
is being made by a peace officer, or by a person acting in a peace
officer's presence and at his direction, even though the arrest or
search is unlawful, unless the resistance is justified under
Subsection (c);

(3) if the actor consented to the exact force used or
attempted by the other;
(4) if the actor provoked the other's use or attempted
use of unlawful force, unless:
(A) the actor abandons the encounter, or clearly
communicates to the other his intent to do so reasonably believing
he cannot safely abandon the encounter; and
(B) the other nevertheless continues or attempts
to use unlawful force against the actor; or
(5) if the actor sought an explanation from or
discussion with the other person concerning the actor's differences
with the other person while the actor was:
(A) carrying a weapon in violation of Section
46.02; or
(B) possessing or transporting a weapon in
violation of Section 46.05.
(c) The use of force to resist an arrest or search is
justified:

(1) if, before the actor offers any resistance, the
peace officer (or person acting at his direction) uses or attempts
to use greater force than necessary to make the arrest or search;
and
(2) when and to the degree the actor reasonably
believes the force is immediately necessary to protect himself
against the peace officer's (or other person's) use or attempted use
of greater force than necessary.

(d) The use of deadly force is not justified under this
subchapter except as provided in Sections 9.32, 9.33, and 9.34.

Acts 1973, 63rd Leg., p. 883, ch. 399, § 1, eff. Jan. 1, 1974.
Amended by Acts 1993, 73rd Leg., ch. 900, § 1.01, eff. Sept. 1,
1994; Acts 1995, 74th Leg., ch. 190, § 1, eff. Sept. 1, 1995.




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