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Posted: 10/25/2013 4:04:50 PM EST
Who would be the first to actually donate to the charities that would theoretically replace EBT?

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I would donate job applications
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There has never been a time in US history where ever single person had a full-time, family sustaining job.

Link Posted: 10/25/2013 4:20:00 PM EST
I already have. Haven't you ever given to a food drive at your church before?
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 4:20:12 PM EST
Reduce taxes by the EBT budget and allow private entities to run the charities. There would be more than enough food with the donation dollars.
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 4:21:07 PM EST
People didn't starve to death before food stamps.
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Originally Posted By GADeerHunter:


There has never been a time in US history where ever single person had a full-time, family sustaining job.

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Originally Posted By GADeerHunter:
Originally Posted By Carry-On:
I would donate job applications


There has never been a time in US history where ever single person had a full-time, family sustaining job.



I doubt there has ever been a time in history when everyone wanted a job.

Most are capable of work, and most would have a job if they desired it.

For the few that can't work, sure I'll donate what I can to help my neighbor. I've done it before.
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 4:21:51 PM EST
If the .gov were out of the welfare bidness, charities would not make up the difference. Members of the FSA would actually have to find a job.

My charitable contributions would continue at their present generous level.
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 4:22:20 PM EST
I do and will continue to.

I love the ideal of what America should be.


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Originally Posted By Aikibiker:
I already have. Haven't you ever given to a food drive at your church before?
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You really think a few cans at a food drive is a viable substitute for welfare and food stamps?

Op, the programs we have now were created because private charity couldn't keep up with the demand.
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There has never been a time in US history where ever single person had a full-time, family sustaining job.

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Originally Posted By GADeerHunter:
Originally Posted By Carry-On:
I would donate job applications


There has never been a time in US history where ever single person had a full-time, family sustaining job.



Hence the concept of "savings" was born.
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Originally Posted By DonKey153:
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But the "poor" are obese and on Iphones now that we do.
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Originally Posted By woodsie:


Hence the concept of "savings" was born.
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Originally Posted By woodsie:
Originally Posted By GADeerHunter:
Originally Posted By Carry-On:
I would donate job applications


There has never been a time in US history where ever single person had a full-time, family sustaining job.



Hence the concept of "savings" was born.


..and social darwinism.
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 4:23:48 PM EST
Though I am by no means wealthy, I make an effort to donate to charity whenever I can. Partially because I know it's the right thing to do, but also to stay consistent in my anti-FSA beliefs.
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Originally Posted By Eric802:
Lots of people donate to charity. We donate stuff all the time. What's your point?
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The point he's attempting to make, poorly, is that government must be the answer. I'm a bit amazed that he didn't know that such charities and the people who support them already exist, but then liberals do tend to project a lot.
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Originally Posted By DonKey153:
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This. Also EBT isn't food stamps, it's just the monthly cash transfer from your family to them.
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 4:24:48 PM EST
You didn't really think this thread through much, did you?
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Originally Posted By GADeerHunter:
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I would happily donate to charities that are using their funding wisely.

I heartily believe that our tax structure is upside down. If I have to be taxed at the rates I am, I believe my city should get my federal taxes, the state gets to keep their cut and the feds can have what I pay to my city.

Money is best spent at the local level.
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Originally Posted By tc556guy:

You really think a few cans at a food drive is a viable substitute for welfare and food stamps?

Op, the programs we have now were created because private charity couldn't keep up with the demand.
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Originally Posted By tc556guy:
Originally Posted By Aikibiker:
I already have. Haven't you ever given to a food drive at your church before?

You really think a few cans at a food drive is a viable substitute for welfare and food stamps?

Op, the programs we have now were created because private charity couldn't keep up with the demand.







The programs we have now were created to buy votes and nothing more.
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You really think a few cans at a food drive is a viable substitute for welfare and food stamps?

Op, the programs we have now were created because private charity couldn't keep up with the demand.
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Originally Posted By tc556guy:
Originally Posted By Aikibiker:
I already have. Haven't you ever given to a food drive at your church before?

You really think a few cans at a food drive is a viable substitute for welfare and food stamps?

Op, the programs we have now were created because private charity couldn't keep up with the demand.


No, they won't be getting steak and lobster from charity.
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 4:27:06 PM EST
We don't need more charity...we need less people wanting it.

In other words, stop having bastard kids.
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I donate regularly to a local LA food/homeless shelter. I made sure that they were legit on BBB. I haven't been giving too much lately with my last couple years of tight finances but I have started up again with my new job. $$$
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Originally Posted By tc556guy:

You really think a few cans at a food drive is a viable substitute for welfare and food stamps?

Op, the programs we have now were created because private charity couldn't keep up with the demand.
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Originally Posted By tc556guy:
Originally Posted By Aikibiker:
I already have. Haven't you ever given to a food drive at your church before?

You really think a few cans at a food drive is a viable substitute for welfare and food stamps?

Op, the programs we have now were created because private charity couldn't keep up with the demand.

I do not.

The viable alternative to welfare and food stamps is getting a job or going hungry. I personally don't care which choice people make beyond that.
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Originally Posted By Flats:


The point he's attempting to make, poorly, is that government must be the answer. I'm a bit amazed that he didn't know that such charities and the people who support them already exist, but then liberals do tend to project a lot.
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Originally Posted By Flats:
Originally Posted By Eric802:
Lots of people donate to charity. We donate stuff all the time. What's your point?


The point he's attempting to make, poorly, is that government must be the answer. I'm a bit amazed that he didn't know that such charities and the people who support them already exist, but then liberals do tend to project a lot.


Your whole post is just

That wasn't the point I was making.
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Your whole post is just

That wasn't the point I was making.
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Originally Posted By GADeerHunter:
Originally Posted By Flats:
Originally Posted By Eric802:
Lots of people donate to charity. We donate stuff all the time. What's your point?


The point he's attempting to make, poorly, is that government must be the answer. I'm a bit amazed that he didn't know that such charities and the people who support them already exist, but then liberals do tend to project a lot.


Your whole post is just

That wasn't the point I was making.

Then speak plainly. What *is* your point?
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 4:35:19 PM EST
Liberals can adopt a family and supply their housing, clothing, food, medical care, etc.
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 4:36:14 PM EST
soup kitchens, churchs, community food donation centers, some with and some without gov't cheese already.
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Originally Posted By tc556guy:

You really think a few cans at a food drive is a viable substitute for welfare and food stamps?

Op, the programs we have now were created because private charity couldn't keep up with the demand.
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Originally Posted By tc556guy:
Originally Posted By Aikibiker:
I already have. Haven't you ever given to a food drive at your church before?

You really think a few cans at a food drive is a viable substitute for welfare and food stamps?

Op, the programs we have now were created because private charity couldn't keep up with the demand.


I think private charity would and could provide the basic needs of those truly in need. Those who are just lazy and don't want to work, possibly not.

No it wouldn't match the dollars spent on welfare but it doesn't need too. They eat better than many with jobs. They have it better than I do. It should be harder on them.

Did you see the thread about the lady complaining her food stamps was cut $75 or so from almost $1200.

My family eats on a fraction on that, so can they.
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Originally Posted By tc556guy:

You really think a few cans at a food drive is a viable substitute for welfare and food stamps?

Op, the programs we have now were created because private charity couldn't keep up with the demand.
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Originally Posted By tc556guy:
Originally Posted By Aikibiker:
I already have. Haven't you ever given to a food drive at your church before?

You really think a few cans at a food drive is a viable substitute for welfare and food stamps?

Op, the programs we have now were created because private charity couldn't keep up with the demand.


And oddly enough, after $16 trillion over 65 years, there are more people on welfare (both raw numbers and per capita) than ever before. What does that tell you?

(Hint--finish the sentence: "throwing good ___ after bad.")
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Originally Posted By GADeerHunter:
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I donate to that charity every Sunday!!
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 4:53:19 PM EST
friends/family/neighbors/churches,doesnt have to be just private charities.


I would probably donate far more than I do now just because I feel far better about giving of my own free will over donating with a knife on my throat
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Originally Posted By tc556guy:
You really think a few cans at a food drive is a viable substitute for welfare and food stamps?

Op, the programs we have now were created because private charity couldn't keep up with the demand.
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Actually, the private charity foodbanks help them fill out the food stamps application and then continue giving them food after they get the food stamps!!

So it has nothing to do with "demand".

People eat better with their ebt cards and buy steak (or crap for other people in exchange for cash) and then use the canned goods they get at the food pantry.

No wonder I see so many food stamp repicients binging on junk food and never buying anything from the canned vegetable aisle.

It should be illegal to collect foodstamps and go to food pantry at the same time. Why would I give to one when they really don't care if the person is already being provided for by the government?
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 4:55:47 PM EST
There wouldn't be one charity to rule them all.

People would support their communities by donating to local charities. Or they would support specific causes by donating to charities for specific causes like animal shelters.
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I used to donate to charity on a regular basis.

Now, I'm kinda short on cash, Thanks Obama!

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There wouldn't be one charity to rule them all.

People would support their communities by donating to local charities. Or they would support specific causes by donating to charities for specific causes like animal shelters.
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This is my assumption. I don't donate to national charities, too much money is wasted. I donate to local food pantries and other local efforts that I can vet.

There was an interesting study done a while back on charitable donations. People in the midwest (i.e. the "flyover people") tend to donate more than people in places like San Francisco and NYC. The latter don't donate at all, expecting Gov't to foot the bill.
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Originally Posted By tc556guy:

You really think a few cans at a food drive is a viable substitute for welfare and food stamps?

Op, the programs we have now were created because private charity couldn't keep up with the demand.
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Originally Posted By tc556guy:
Originally Posted By Aikibiker:
I already have. Haven't you ever given to a food drive at your church before?

You really think a few cans at a food drive is a viable substitute for welfare and food stamps?

Op, the programs we have now were created because private charity couldn't keep up with the demand.



Really?
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Originally Posted By tc556guy:

You really think a few cans at a food drive is a viable substitute for welfare and food stamps?

Op, the programs we have now were created because private charity couldn't keep up with the demand.
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Originally Posted By tc556guy:
Originally Posted By Aikibiker:
I already have. Haven't you ever given to a food drive at your church before?

You really think a few cans at a food drive is a viable substitute for welfare and food stamps?

Op, the programs we have now were created because private charity couldn't keep up with the demand.


And since implementing those programs demand has gone through the roof. Success!
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Originally Posted By tc556guy:

You really think a few cans at a food drive is a viable substitute for welfare and food stamps?

Op, the programs we have now were created because private charity couldn't keep up with the demand.
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Originally Posted By tc556guy:
Originally Posted By Aikibiker:
I already have. Haven't you ever given to a food drive at your church before?

You really think a few cans at a food drive is a viable substitute for welfare and food stamps?

Op, the programs we have now were created because private charity couldn't keep up with the demand.


ITT the liberals out themselves.
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Originally Posted By GADeerHunter:
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Even if nobody would here would donate to charities, it doesn't validate the idea that government should be providing a living to some by taxing

the living of others.
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Originally Posted By tc556guy:

You really think a few cans at a food drive is a viable substitute for welfare and food stamps?

Op, the programs we have now were created because private charity couldn't keep up with the demand.
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Originally Posted By tc556guy:
Originally Posted By Aikibiker:
I already have. Haven't you ever given to a food drive at your church before?

You really think a few cans at a food drive is a viable substitute for welfare and food stamps?

Op, the programs we have now were created because private charity couldn't keep up with the demand.


Couldnt be more wrong. There was more opportunity before Big Gov. The welfare state was created by the left to tear down families, communities, and make individuals dependant. They could never defeat us militarily, so they have done it from within, just as Kruschev said they would.
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 5:10:10 PM EST
Those charities would hardly issue "Dignity Cards" with $600+ on them each month. The FSA would get a shopping bag full of rice and beans and some canned veggies, some peanut butter and an invite to the next worship service.

Might teach some FSA the value of hard work if they actually had to eat rice and beans for a while.
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There has never been a time in US history where ever single person had a full-time, family sustaining job.

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Originally Posted By GADeerHunter:
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I would donate job applications


There has never been a time in US history where ever single person had a full-time, family sustaining job.




So how did the folks in 1825 swipe their EBT cards w/o electricity. Oh yeah... The ones that where determined to deserve charity by their local townspeople received it and those that the local townspeople determined where freeloaders either go a job or starved. Fairly good system if you ask me.
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Originally Posted By tc556guy:

You really think a few cans at a food drive is a viable substitute for welfare and food stamps?

Op, the programs we have now were created because private charity couldn't keep up with the demand. to buy votes from the weak and poorly informed.
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Originally Posted By tc556guy:
Originally Posted By Aikibiker:
I already have. Haven't you ever given to a food drive at your church before?

You really think a few cans at a food drive is a viable substitute for welfare and food stamps?

Op, the programs we have now were created because private charity couldn't keep up with the demand. to buy votes from the weak and poorly informed.



There. Accurized it for you.
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 5:12:47 PM EST

out of all the money the government wastes, food for the poor doesnt bother me too bad.

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For one, a good percentage of the money that the government spends on "welfare" never actually reaches the poor. IIRC, something like 30% of welfare money actually goes to the poor.


And of the people that get that money, a good portion of them would probably get a job if they had a swift, economical ass punt to get them motivated.


Private charity would be able to adequately help the people that ACTUALLY are helpless. The people that claim to be helpless, but are just too lazy would have to work, that's life.



Welfare is a profitable bureaucracy. Grocery stores love it, the companies that make money processing the EBT cards love it, the bureaucrats who "administer" it, love it. The politicians who use it to buy votes love it.



If our taxes went down, the size of government was reduced significantly and we didn't have all these government programs hogtying us, it would be SO MUCH easier to give money to charity.


It really is a shame, too, because it feels awesome to give your time and money to charity. Unfortunately the government is depriving people of that feeling by sucking up a good portion of their money.
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There has never been a time in US history where ever single person had a full-time, family sustaining job.

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I would donate job applications


There has never been a time in US history where ever single person had a full-time, family sustaining job.

Then you can starve and die off. Its called evolution. We need more of it. A LOT more of it.
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 5:15:30 PM EST
Not me. I don't give a shit about the poor because if I was poor, too, no one would give a shit about me. Thems the breaks.

The world is unkind and naturally hostile. You make it on your own or you don't.
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FPNI


The solution is find a job. Those who truly couldn't would have to use charities.

Private charities could not replace the bohemouth that is institutionalized welfare in this country.

The system is so easy that it enables people to depend on it. It even tempts them and entices them.

Welfare is the downfall of those communities and cultures that depend on ot as a matter of practice. It enslaves them to being second class citizens.

It is itself a racist institution against those it ensnares.
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 5:23:47 PM EST
I am right now…

I’ve taken in a woman (and longtime friend) with a history of mental illness after she went through a nasty divorce. She doesn’t work, but at least she cooks pretty good. I’ve also taken in two of her late teen unemployed children. And I’m helping her other son, his wife, and their new baby to the extent that I feed them quite often.

(This is on $40,000 a year and I don’t get food stamps or any other assistance. I’m sure the son with the baby does, but I haven’t asked.)

Oh yea, my company occasionally takes on deserving charities and provides our services to them. On occasion the services are provided by employees who volunteer their after hours labor to the charity. I’ve volunteered for every one and there never has been a shortage of workers for those projects.

Without government welfare, the deserving (and many not so deserving… that means you two teenagers, get off my couch and get a damned job… sorry.) poor would still get the help they need.
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You really think a few cans at a food drive is a viable substitute for welfare and food stamps?

Op, the programs we have now were created because private charity couldn't keep up with the demand.
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Originally Posted By tc556guy:
Originally Posted By Aikibiker:
I already have. Haven't you ever given to a food drive at your church before?

You really think a few cans at a food drive is a viable substitute for welfare and food stamps?

Op, the programs we have now were created because private charity couldn't keep up with the demand.

It is a self perpetuating monster. Everyone can not live middle class lifestyles. This is a fallacy. There are jobs in China.... a diet of rice and beans is not the end of the world.

Those jobs could be here....

Cut welfare back 75%.

Lower minimum wage to be competetive with Asia for production.

Noone said it was gonna be easy. America is a big hypocrite.
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