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Posted: 7/22/2010 6:55:01 AM EDT
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Don't forget the end of the tax cuts, and no more "stimulus" spending, etc.
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Posted: 7/22/2010 7:12:28 AM EDT
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Yes, they HAVE to repeal those programs. But it won't be possible until we take back BOTH Houses, and with a filibuster-proof majority, OR at least get both houses by majority and a Republican President who's game for the repeals.
Until then, we can fight a holding action after we get the House back in the November elections by simply forcing ZERO FUNDING on those programs. Budgetary nullification of a program has certainly been done before. Simply don't allocate any funds for it. CJ |
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Posted: 7/22/2010 7:14:23 AM EDT
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Quoted: Stimulus/Healthcare/Finance Reform/Cap and Trade(maybe). These three and maybe four pieces of legislation can turn a Republican rout in November into the destruction of the GOP. We all know that we will not see the true impact of these bills for at least 6 or more months. Say that Republicans win every damn seat in the Congress but FAIL TO REPEAL these bills. These bills are designed to destroy the economy and bring about full socialism (Cloward-Piven); which we know will not work...thus the economy will simply remain destroyed and we will all be in the shit. BUT, and this is the hypothesis, the Left knows this and know that the Republicans will likely win.......THUS, they will be in Congress when the economy goes to shit and the Left will use this as propaganda and blame the Republicans. Perfect setup. Create a catastrophe, let someone else take the wheel for the actual accident, and blame THEM for the problem. So what other choice do non-communists have? Just give up and let the demorats turn this place into venezuela? That's a guaranteed lose situation. If the GOP can repeat 1994 there's a small chance of getting some of that toxic garbage repealed. Otherwise the game is over. |
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Posted: 7/22/2010 7:19:57 AM EDT
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Let's see what plan the republicans are running on for November: ...
Oh that's right, they don't have one other than "we don't have a (D) next to our names!" - fucking idiots. At least Gingrich pulled the contract with america out to pretend to have a plan of action. Boner and Steele simply are too fucking stupid to do shit. |
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Posted: 7/22/2010 7:21:31 AM EDT
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Orangelo is absolutely right...there must be something in place like the old "Contract with America"...and it must be adhered to...the only way out of this is for non-regime class people to be elected to the legislature...the reason we're in this mess is because of the ruling-class-aristocracy that's been in power since at least Reagan...in short we need new blood in the legislative branch; outsiders, not career politicians...or maybe Citizens, not politicians...
Revolutions generally end very, very badly for aristocrats if things get violent...I pray it never comes ot that |
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Posted: 7/22/2010 7:22:10 AM EDT
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It's a trap whether they succeed at rolling back all the socialist spending or not.
I think we can all agree that keynesian stimulus and socialist policies are bad in the long run, but in the short term they keep things limping along. So if they manage to reverse all this stuff, absent some huge economic miracle/technological breakthrough, most americans will feel some degree of economic pain. If they don't manage to reverse any of it or replace what they can with their own overspending, the base (especially the tea-party types) will be pissed. |
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Posted: 7/22/2010 7:26:44 AM EDT
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....................... Perfect setup. Create a catastrophe, let someone else take the wheel for the actual accident, and blame THEM for the problem. It's not even November yet but, in typical arfcom/DU fashion the Republicans are already the bad guys. I'd say it's not only a perfect setup, the Democrats and the Mainstream media tailored it specifically for guys who frequent this place. |
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Posted: 7/22/2010 7:28:21 AM EDT
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The republicans will not repeal any of those bills, our system is not set up for repealing legislation every time the majority switches in power.
Because of the extreme hurdle required to pass major legislation (60 votes), instead of using repeal to cull unpopular laws, they get passed by super-majority at the get-go, and all the compromises and disagreements are front loaded. If we abolished the filibuster, then there would be much more flexibility in making and repealing laws, but we would sacrifice stability. Unless the republicans can win a veto-proof majority, which they can't, there will be no repeals of anything. It took the democrats almost 15 years to gather enough support to pass their health care reform, and it will take at least that long to undo it. Health care reform, the financial bill, those things were really passed in Nov. 2008, when we the people gave super-majority legislative and executive power to the democrats, who promised in their campaigns to enact these laws. The evil secret plot to destroy America is on par with "George Bush Doesnt Like Black People" or "Halliburton is going to put us in FEMA camps" or "Bush plans to be president for life." Believing your own hysterical propaganda is a cardinal sin in politics. |
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Posted: 7/22/2010 7:31:33 AM EDT
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I think this is how the liberals/progressives always work. It looks like Clinton did the same thing in relation to the Muslims problem we have now. I'm not convinced the Republicans are going win big in Nov either. I have not been impressed by their campaigns so far.
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Posted: 7/22/2010 7:33:13 AM EDT
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....................... Perfect setup. Create a catastrophe, let someone else take the wheel for the actual accident, and blame THEM for the problem. It's not even November yet but, in typical arfcom/DU fashion the Republicans are already the bad guys. I'd say it's not only a perfect setup, the Democrats and the Mainstream media tailored it specifically for guys who frequent this place. What the FUCK? Where the FUCK did you get that? I said if they DON'T REPEAL the bills, at least Healthcare and Finance Reform and (if it passes) Cap and Trade, we stand a nearly a 100% chance of economic collapse. That will happen on the Republican watch and then they will be assigned the blame by the left and the media. They HAVE to repeal these bills or they will be guilty of not trying to save the country. It will not be their fault that these were put in place, but if they don't make a real effort to get rid of these items, then they might as well not win, because they will never win again. |
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Posted: 7/22/2010 7:36:19 AM EDT
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Yes, they HAVE to repeal those programs. But it won't be possible until we take back BOTH Houses, and with a filibuster-proof majority, OR at least get both houses by majority and a Republican President who's game for the repeals. Until then, we can fight a holding action after we get the House back in the November elections by simply forcing ZERO FUNDING on those programs. Budgetary nullification of a program has certainly been done before. Simply don't allocate any funds for it. CJ This. You won't get a repeal without: a)supermajority/veto-proof majority, or b) a House/Senate GOP majority AND GOP president. The problem with non-funding is the pissing contest that will result when it comes time for Obama to sign a budget bill. However, this time the non-funded programs will be those that the people actually DON'T want... |
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Posted: 7/22/2010 7:39:15 AM EDT
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The republicans will not repeal any of those bills, our system is not set up for repealing legislation every time the majority switches in power. Because of the extreme hurdle required to pass major legislation (60 votes), instead of using repeal to cull unpopular laws, they get passed by super-majority at the get-go, and all the compromises and disagreements are front loaded. If we abolished the filibuster, then there would be much more flexibility in making and repealing laws, but we would sacrifice stability. Unless the republicans can win a veto-proof majority, which they can't, there will be no repeals of anything. It took the democrats almost 15 years to gather enough support to pass their health care reform, and it will take at least that long to undo it. Health care reform, the financial bill, those things were really passed in Nov. 2008, when we the people gave super-majority legislative and executive power to the democrats, who promised in their campaigns to enact these laws. The evil secret plot to destroy America is on par with "George Bush Doesnt Like Black People" or "Halliburton is going to put us in FEMA camps" or "Bush plans to be president for life." Believing your own hysterical propaganda is a cardinal sin in politics. Thanks Dave_A and DLoken's love child. this is not hysterical propaganda. Just the 1099 for all small business transactions will kill many small business or cause them to lay off employees. Either thing is VERY BAD for the economy and that is not hysterical propaganda. The expiration of the tax cuts is not propaganda, it is going to happen and cause economic problems. 20 something more government offices just for monitoring women and minority inclusion Person to person loans that have to follow FEDERAL LOAN GUIDLINES. The ACTUAL CONTENT of these legislations is what I am talking about. I am not calling Obama Hitler. I am not saying that Eric Holder eats babies. Take your idiotic fucking comparisions to leftist bullshit and stick them where the sun don't shine. such as a safe deposit box. |
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Posted: 7/22/2010 7:39:27 AM EDT
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It all comes down to who has the biggest balls. If the republicans get out in front, define the issue, and loudly point out that DEMOCRATS PASSED THESE BILLS, we'll have a R president in 2012. If they aggressively pursue the next logical step and come up with a rational plan to fix everything, we'll have an even larger R majority in the House and Senate by the time the midterms roll around.
If they continue to be bitches, we're effed. |
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Posted: 7/22/2010 7:45:31 AM EDT
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It all comes down to who has the biggest balls. If the republicans get out in front, define the issue, and loudly point out that DEMOCRATS PASSED THESE BILLS, we'll have a R president in 2012. If they aggressively pursue the next logical step and come up with a rational plan to fix everything, we'll have an even larger R majority in the House and Senate by the time the midterms roll around. If they continue to be bitches, we're effed. See, this guy gets it. The Republicans need to fight back on behalf of the voters that put them there, not just continue on as they do now.... or the leftist propaganda machine will eat them alive by assigning all the blame to the R's for everything that goes wrong. We can't elect Republicans who want to "tweak" or "fix" these 2000 pages monsters of socialism. All they would do is put braces on the teeth of the monster that is trying to eat our country. (the monster is the legislations that create massive government and regulations and taxes) |
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Posted: 7/22/2010 7:56:29 AM EDT
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Yes, they HAVE to repeal those programs. But it won't be possible until we take back BOTH Houses, and with a filibuster-proof majority, OR at least get both houses by majority and a Republican President who's game for the repeals. Until then, we can fight a holding action after we get the House back in the November elections by simply forcing ZERO FUNDING on those programs. Budgetary nullification of a program has certainly been done before. Simply don't allocate any funds for it. CJ This. You won't get a repeal without: a)supermajority/veto-proof majority, or b) a House/Senate GOP majority AND GOP president. The problem with non-funding is the pissing contest that will result when it comes time for Obama to sign a budget bill. However, this time the non-funded programs will be those that the people actually DON'T want... The problem with trying to keep funding hostage is that the dems can lump all the funding together, and paint the republicans as holding up the 'war budget' or other popular things. |
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Posted: 7/22/2010 8:08:09 AM EDT
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Let's see what plan the republicans are running on for November: ... Oh that's right, they don't have one other than "we don't have a (D) next to our names!" - fucking idiots. At least Gingrich pulled the contract with america out to pretend to have a plan of action. Boner and Steele simply are too fucking stupid to do shit. How close to the election did Gringrich put the Contract out? Rep. Paul Ryan, a "Young Gun" has a book coming out in September with his "Roadmap". I don't know if it has been endorsed by the Party Powers That Be (Piss be upon them!) but there will be a plan. |
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Posted: 7/22/2010 8:18:49 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Yes, they HAVE to repeal those programs. But it won't be possible until we take back BOTH Houses, and with a filibuster-proof majority, OR at least get both houses by majority and a Republican President who's game for the repeals. Until then, we can fight a holding action after we get the House back in the November elections by simply forcing ZERO FUNDING on those programs. Budgetary nullification of a program has certainly been done before. Simply don't allocate any funds for it. CJ This. You won't get a repeal without: a)supermajority/veto-proof majority, or b) a House/Senate GOP majority AND GOP president. The problem with non-funding is the pissing contest that will result when it comes time for Obama to sign a budget bill. However, this time the non-funded programs will be those that the people actually DON'T want... The problem with trying to keep funding hostage is that the dems can lump all the funding together, and paint the republicans as holding up the 'war budget' or other popular things. There is the "scorched earth" option, if the President is game for it. If I were President, I would use this option routinely. It goes like this. The Supreme Court declared the Line Item Veto to be unConstitutional. (I disagree...but I'm not a Supreme Court Justice.) So, if I were President, my message to Congress is that I will exercise the Line Item Veto. However, this means that I will veto an ENTIRE bill if there is ONE THING IN IT THAT IS UNACCEPTABLE. Send me a bill so big it won't fit in a wheelbarrow. I'll veto the whole damned thing if there's ONE little entry in it that does not serve my cause of small but efficent government and the maximum amount of freedom possible for the individual citizens. It would be best if Congress were to simply submit one-item bills rather than huge Acts. Or at least, keep the package as tightly focused as possible. It'd have a better chance of getting by me or a President who thinks like I do. I would not be President in order to win friends in Congress. For the most part, I'd consider them to be enemies to be beaten down at every opportunity, as long as they keep up their abuses of their position. CJ |
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Posted: 7/22/2010 8:27:45 AM EDT
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prediction:
They won't repeal shit. 
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Posted: 7/22/2010 8:29:28 AM EDT
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Kind of like when Clinton came into office and got credit for the Reagan economic boom. Sure, the Clinton tax hikes and balanced budget from the high taxes are what spurred all that tech growth.
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Posted: 7/22/2010 8:38:03 AM EDT
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....................... Perfect setup. Create a catastrophe, let someone else take the wheel for the actual accident, and blame THEM for the problem. It's not even November yet but, in typical arfcom/DU fashion the Republicans are already the bad guys. I'd say it's not only a perfect setup, the Democrats and the Mainstream media tailored it specifically for guys who frequent this place. What the FUCK? Where the FUCK did you get that? I said if they DON'T REPEAL the bills, at least Healthcare and Finance Reform and (if it passes) Cap and Trade, we stand a nearly a 100% chance of economic collapse. That will happen on the Republican watch and then they will be assigned the blame by the left and the media. They HAVE to repeal these bills or they will be guilty of not trying to save the country. It will not be their fault that these were put in place, but if they don't make a real effort to get rid of these items, then they might as well not win, because they will never win again. Honestly, I think we are all giving the general public a bit too much credit on this one. Look back at the ratings of congress for the past 50+ years. By doing that you will quickly realize that people don't vote they you think they would based off their "popular beliefs." The general public generally votes based off the actions of who is in charge (the President). If they like what the President is doing then Congress doesn't have major swings in the number of seats between parties. Don't get me wrong, there are a few exceptions to this, but overall it tends to work out. Any poll will show you that people hate Congress in general, but they love their what their own Representative is doing (obviously the educated Arfcom masses would be an exception to this rule). I will add more after lunch. |
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Posted: 7/22/2010 8:38:04 AM EDT
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unless the folks who get sent there in nov, have the stones to face the critics, and straight up fucking say, we can not afford it. then we are fucked anyway.
The .gov will extend and pretend this thing until the end. The end will come fast and swift, like black tuesday. A few months of extreme turmoil, then things get bad. But, we're Americans, we'll figure it out sooner or later. (We know the answer, it's to follow the constitution as written), but some folks gotta learn the hard way. I would advise that we shoot or hang ANYONE who wants to get rid of the Constitution. Those fuckers will not be on our side. TXL |
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Posted: 7/22/2010 8:39:17 AM EDT
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The republicans will not repeal any of those bills, our system is not set up for repealing legislation every time the majority switches in power. Because of the extreme hurdle required to pass major legislation (60 votes), instead of using repeal to cull unpopular laws, they get passed by super-majority at the get-go, and all the compromises and disagreements are front loaded. If we abolished the filibuster, then there would be much more flexibility in making and repealing laws, but we would sacrifice stability. Unless the republicans can win a veto-proof majority, which they can't, there will be no repeals of anything. It took the democrats almost 15 years to gather enough support to pass their health care reform, and it will take at least that long to undo it. Health care reform, the financial bill, those things were really passed in Nov. 2008, when we the people gave super-majority legislative and executive power to the democrats, who promised in their campaigns to enact these laws. The evil secret plot to destroy America is on par with "George Bush Doesnt Like Black People" or "Halliburton is going to put us in FEMA camps" or "Bush plans to be president for life." Believing your own hysterical propaganda is a cardinal sin in politics. being an idiotic leftist who thinks we can continue on in the way the left has us going is a cardinal sin in life. TXL |
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Posted: 7/22/2010 8:41:04 AM EDT
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Quoted: Stimulus/Healthcare/Finance Reform/Cap and Trade(maybe). These three and maybe four pieces of legislation can turn a Republican rout in November into the destruction of the GOP. We all know that we will not see the true impact of these bills for at least 6 or more months. Say that Republicans win every damn seat in the Congress but FAIL TO REPEAL these bills. These bills are designed to destroy the economy and bring about full socialism (Cloward-Piven); which we know will not work...thus the economy will simply remain destroyed and we will all be in the shit. BUT, and this is the hypothesis, the Left knows this and know that the Republicans will likely win.......THUS, they will be in Congress when the economy goes to shit and the Left will use this as propaganda and blame the Republicans. Perfect setup. Create a catastrophe, let someone else take the wheel for the actual accident, and blame THEM for the problem. The GOP can't repeal shit until Obama is out of office. It takes a 2/3 vote of both houses to override a veto. We will NOT get 2/3 of both houses in November - There aren't enough Senate seats up for election to make this possible. A workable majority in the House, and a '1-seat-wonder' in the Senate are the *BEST* we can hope for. A slim majority in the House, and a closer minority in the Senate are more likely. |
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Posted: 7/22/2010 8:43:35 AM EDT
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We *HAVE* lost.
The democrats are trying to stomp the accelerator on financial disaster through the floor. The republicans are "only" trying to push it 90% of the way to the floor. WE ARE BROKE. WE CANNOT SPEND ANY MORE MONEY. The sooner one political party admits it, the less pain there will be. Right now the democrats and republicans are doing everything in their power to make it worse. |
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Posted: 7/22/2010 8:45:34 AM EDT
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Quoted: We *HAVE* lost. The democrats are trying to stomp the accelerator on financial disaster through the floor. The republicans are "only" trying to push it 90% of the way to the floor. WE ARE BROKE. WE CANNOT SPEND ANY MORE MONEY. The sooner one political party admits it, the less pain there will be. Right now the democrats and republicans are doing everything in their power to make it worse. Except we're NOT broke, although we do need to slow down the borrowing a bit. Obsessing over the national debt is a great way for a minority party to make hay, it doesn't work so well for a majority party... Which is why the only politicians who care about the debt, are the ones currently *NOT* in power. |
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Posted: 7/22/2010 8:45:56 AM EDT
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Quoted: prediction: They won't repeal shit. They don't have to repeal anything, just cut off funding. |
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Posted: 7/22/2010 8:46:45 AM EDT
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....................... Perfect setup. Create a catastrophe, let someone else take the wheel for the actual accident, and blame THEM for the problem. It's not even November yet but, in typical arfcom/DU fashion the Republicans are already the bad guys. I'd say it's not only a perfect setup, the Democrats and the Mainstream media tailored it specifically for guys who frequent this place. It is good to recognize your enemy. We know the democrats to be our enemies. Remembering that the Republicans Rinos are also the enemy is even more important. |
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Posted: 7/22/2010 8:51:22 AM EDT
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We *HAVE* lost. The democrats are trying to stomp the accelerator on financial disaster through the floor. The republicans are "only" trying to push it 90% of the way to the floor. WE ARE BROKE. WE CANNOT SPEND ANY MORE MONEY. The sooner one political party admits it, the less pain there will be. Right now the democrats and republicans are doing everything in their power to make it worse. Except we're NOT broke, although we do need to slow down the borrowing a bit. Obsessing over the national debt is a great way for a minority party to make hay, it doesn't work so well for a majority party... Which is why the only politicians who care about the debt, are the ones currently *NOT* in power. We are spending around 500B per year on service on the debt. Our yearly income is under 2,000B. You don't see a problem here? |
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Posted: 7/22/2010 8:56:15 AM EDT
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....................... Perfect setup. Create a catastrophe, let someone else take the wheel for the actual accident, and blame THEM for the problem. It's not even November yet but, in typical arfcom/DU fashion the Republicans are already the bad guys. I'd say it's not only a perfect setup, the Democrats and the Mainstream media tailored it specifically for guys who frequent this place. It is good to recognize your enemy. We know the democrats to be our enemies. Remembering that the Republicans Rinos are also the enemy is even more important. When the democrat enemy is defeated, then we can start in on the undesirable republicans. Until then, there can be no enemies on our team. If we are divided, we will be conquered. |
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Posted: 7/22/2010 8:58:29 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: prediction: They won't repeal shit. They don't have to repeal anything, just cut off funding. And hope that Zero is unable to win that 'fight' like BJ did... |
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Posted: 7/22/2010 9:03:35 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: ....................... Perfect setup. Create a catastrophe, let someone else take the wheel for the actual accident, and blame THEM for the problem. It's not even November yet but, in typical arfcom/DU fashion the Republicans are already the bad guys. I'd say it's not only a perfect setup, the Democrats and the Mainstream media tailored it specifically for guys who frequent this place. It is good to recognize your enemy. We know the democrats to be our enemies. Remembering that the Republicans Rinos are also the enemy is even more important. When the democrat enemy is defeated, then we can start in on the undesirable republicans. Until then, there can be no enemies on our team. If we are divided, we will be conquered. You may want to tell folks like Snowe, and Grahamnesty that. |
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Posted: 7/22/2010 9:07:02 AM EDT
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And you somehow think that the republicans with the same majority that the Dems have now won't screw things up if and when they get in. Same story just a different hat.
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Posted: 7/22/2010 9:09:25 AM EDT
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....................... Perfect setup. Create a catastrophe, let someone else take the wheel for the actual accident, and blame THEM for the problem. It's not even November yet but, in typical arfcom/DU fashion the Republicans are already the bad guys. I'd say it's not only a perfect setup, the Democrats and the Mainstream media tailored it specifically for guys who frequent this place. It is good to recognize your enemy. We know the democrats to be our enemies. Remembering that the Republicans Rinos are also the enemy is even more important. When the democrat enemy is defeated, then we can start in on the undesirable republicans. Until then, there can be no enemies on our team. If we are divided, we will be conquered. You may want to tell folks like Snowe, and Grahamnesty that. Don't need to tell them anything. Did either of them vote for the health care bill? If John McCain were president, there would be no health care reform, no Justice Sotomayor, no Justice Kagan, etc etc etc. Even a so-called 'RINO' is 100x better than the other team winning. Get on side, swallow your pride, be a team player, we can sort the details out in the aftermath of victory. |
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Posted: 7/22/2010 9:15:44 AM EDT
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The republicans will not repeal any of those bills, our system is not set up for repealing legislation every time the majority switches in power. Because of the extreme hurdle required to pass major legislation (60 votes), instead of using repeal to cull unpopular laws, they get passed by super-majority at the get-go, and all the compromises and disagreements are front loaded. If we abolished the filibuster, then there would be much more flexibility in making and repealing laws, but we would sacrifice stability. Unless the republicans can win a veto-proof majority, which they can't, there will be no repeals of anything. It took the democrats almost 15 years to gather enough support to pass their health care reform, and it will take at least that long to undo it. Health care reform, the financial bill, those things were really passed in Nov. 2008, when we the people gave super-majority legislative and executive power to the democrats, who promised in their campaigns to enact these laws. The evil secret plot to destroy America is on par with "George Bush Doesnt Like Black People" or "Halliburton is going to put us in FEMA camps" or "Bush plans to be president for life." Believing your own hysterical propaganda is a cardinal sin in politics. The Democrats have been pushing for socialized medicine since the 30s, and now they only have a partial socialized medical plan. |
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Posted: 7/22/2010 9:28:52 AM EDT
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Stimulus/Healthcare/Finance Reform/Cap and Trade(maybe). These three and maybe four pieces of legislation can turn a Republican rout in November into the destruction of the GOP. We all know that we will not see the true impact of these bills for at least 6 or more months. Say that Republicans win every damn seat in the Congress but FAIL TO REPEAL these bills. These bills are designed to destroy the economy and bring about full socialism (Cloward-Piven); which we know will not work...thus the economy will simply remain destroyed and we will all be in the shit. BUT, and this is the hypothesis, the Left knows this and know that the Republicans will likely win.......THUS, they will be in Congress when the economy goes to shit and the Left will use this as propaganda and blame the Republicans. Perfect setup. Create a catastrophe, let someone else take the wheel for the actual accident, and blame THEM for the problem. Part of the problem is that both Health care and Finance Reform are, in principal, reasonably popular ideas among most people. Most people don't want to be screwed over by banks or Insurance companies. I believe that nearly all of republican campaigning needs to be focused on how these won't do anything to really reduce cost or help people. We need to show that it's democrats, not republicans, who are completely in the sack with the very people they are supposed to regulate. |
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Posted: 7/22/2010 9:34:52 AM EDT
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Stimulus/Healthcare/Finance Reform/Cap and Trade(maybe). These three and maybe four pieces of legislation can turn a Republican rout in November into the destruction of the GOP. We all know that we will not see the true impact of these bills for at least 6 or more months. Say that Republicans win every damn seat in the Congress but FAIL TO REPEAL these bills. These bills are designed to destroy the economy and bring about full socialism (Cloward-Piven); which we know will not work...thus the economy will simply remain destroyed and we will all be in the shit. BUT, and this is the hypothesis, the Left knows this and know that the Republicans will likely win.......THUS, they will be in Congress when the economy goes to shit and the Left will use this as propaganda and blame the Republicans. Perfect setup. Create a catastrophe, let someone else take the wheel for the actual accident, and blame THEM for the problem. Part of the problem is that both Health care and Finance Reform are, in principal, reasonably popular ideas among most people. Most people don't want to be screwed over by banks or Insurance companies. I believe that nearly all of republican campaigning needs to be focused on how these won't do anything to really reduce cost or help people. We need to show that it's democrats, not republicans, who are completely in the sack with the very people they are supposed to regulate. Indeed, it is dangerous to forget that the democrats in 2008 ran on a platform of finance reform and health care reform. The republicans can win if we can explain how we have better plans than the democrats. "Repeal it all and go back to the same shit as before fuck obama" is not a platform, and will not win anyone over. Obama may have been in office for a couple years, but the memory of so-called "stupid screw up" George Bush is strong, and his ghost will haunt the republican party for a while longer. |
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Posted: 7/22/2010 9:36:18 AM EDT
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Stimulus/Healthcare/Finance Reform/Cap and Trade(maybe). These three and maybe four pieces of legislation can turn a Republican rout in November into the destruction of the GOP. We all know that we will not see the true impact of these bills for at least 6 or more months. Say that Republicans win every damn seat in the Congress but FAIL TO REPEAL these bills. These bills are designed to destroy the economy and bring about full socialism (Cloward-Piven); which we know will not work...thus the economy will simply remain destroyed and we will all be in the shit. BUT, and this is the hypothesis, the Left knows this and know that the Republicans will likely win.......THUS, they will be in Congress when the economy goes to shit and the Left will use this as propaganda and blame the Republicans. Perfect setup. Create a catastrophe, let someone else take the wheel for the actual accident, and blame THEM for the problem. I don't agree. The democrats wouldn't give up power to get it back for a long time. What I am afraid of is that the Republicans will either not repeal Health Care Reform, or will do so but tax the ever loving fuck out of us because the .gov really is THAT BROKE that we have to have some way of a massive tax increase to keep funding where it needs to be to feed the pork. Republicans will not shrink government, they will have to raise taxes like the Democrats did. The question is whether they choose to be honest with the public and make a good case for tax increases, or they let health care reform stay and blame it on the democrats. We are about to find out if we still have a representative government anymore. |
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Posted: 7/22/2010 9:41:16 AM EDT
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Let's see what plan the republicans are running on for November: ... Oh that's right, they don't have one other than "we don't have a (D) next to our names!" - fucking idiots. At least Gingrich pulled the contract with america out to pretend to have a plan of action. Boner and Steele simply are too fucking stupid to do shit. According to John Boehner, they've got their version of the Contract coming out in September, so we'll have to wait and see what exactly is the platform they're running on, aside from the "At least we're not the Dems" platform. |
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Posted: 7/22/2010 9:49:00 AM EDT
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The republicans will not repeal any of those bills, our system is not set up for repealing legislation every time the majority switches in power. Because of the extreme hurdle required to pass major legislation (60 votes), instead of using repeal to cull unpopular laws, they get passed by super-majority at the get-go, and all the compromises and disagreements are front loaded. If we abolished the filibuster, then there would be much more flexibility in making and repealing laws, but we would sacrifice stability. Unless the republicans can win a veto-proof majority, which they can't, there will be no repeals of anything. It took the democrats almost 15 years to gather enough support to pass their health care reform, and it will take at least that long to undo it. Health care reform, the financial bill, those things were really passed in Nov. 2008, when we the people gave super-majority legislative and executive power to the democrats, who promised in their campaigns to enact these laws. The evil secret plot to destroy America is on par with "George Bush Doesnt Like Black People" or "Halliburton is going to put us in FEMA camps" or "Bush plans to be president for life." Believing your own hysterical propaganda is a cardinal sin in politics. You never fail to deliver....lol |
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Posted: 7/22/2010 9:53:58 AM EDT
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Let's see what plan the republicans are running on for November: ... Oh that's right, they don't have one other than "we don't have a (D) next to our names!" - fucking idiots. At least Gingrich pulled the contract with america out to pretend to have a plan of action. Boner and Steele simply are too fucking stupid to do shit. Probably because "generic unnamed republican" is polling a lot better than specific republicans or platforms. |
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Posted: 7/22/2010 9:56:35 AM EDT
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The republicans will not repeal any of those bills, our system is not set up for repealing legislation every time the majority switches in power. Because of the extreme hurdle required to pass major legislation (60 votes), instead of using repeal to cull unpopular laws, they get passed by super-majority at the get-go, and all the compromises and disagreements are front loaded. If we abolished the filibuster, then there would be much more flexibility in making and repealing laws, but we would sacrifice stability. Unless the republicans can win a veto-proof majority, which they can't, there will be no repeals of anything. It took the democrats almost 15 years to gather enough support to pass their health care reform, and it will take at least that long to undo it. Health care reform, the financial bill, those things were really passed in Nov. 2008, when we the people gave super-majority legislative and executive power to the democrats, who promised in their campaigns to enact these laws. The evil secret plot to destroy America is on par with "George Bush Doesnt Like Black People" or "Halliburton is going to put us in FEMA camps" or "Bush plans to be president for life." Believing your own hysterical propaganda is a cardinal sin in politics. I agree wholeheartedly. Quick name one big government, unconstitutional, socialist, nanny state piece of legislation passed ever that's ever been repealed. You can't. Income taxes, welfare, social security, Medicaid, Medicare are all still on the books. |
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Posted: 7/22/2010 10:04:43 AM EDT
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I highly doubt the Republicans will take a veto-proof majority in both houses.
About the most we can realistically hope for at this point is for them to take a majority in one house or the other and thwart any further damage. To be honest, I fear we are stuck with this health care crap. |
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Posted: 7/22/2010 10:06:56 AM EDT
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The republicans will not repeal any of those bills, our system is not set up for repealing legislation every time the majority switches in power. Because of the extreme hurdle required to pass major legislation (60 votes), instead of using repeal to cull unpopular laws, they get passed by super-majority at the get-go, and all the compromises and disagreements are front loaded. If we abolished the filibuster, then there would be much more flexibility in making and repealing laws, but we would sacrifice stability. Unless the republicans can win a veto-proof majority, which they can't, there will be no repeals of anything. It took the democrats almost 15 years to gather enough support to pass their health care reform, and it will take at least that long to undo it. Health care reform, the financial bill, those things were really passed in Nov. 2008, when we the people gave super-majority legislative and executive power to the democrats, who promised in their campaigns to enact these laws. The evil secret plot to destroy America is on par with "George Bush Doesnt Like Black People" or "Halliburton is going to put us in FEMA camps" or "Bush plans to be president for life." Believing your own hysterical propaganda is a cardinal sin in politics. You never fail to deliver....lol Except that he's 100% correct. Anyone who thinks the Republicans are going to somehow take back a veto-proof majority in BOTH houses of congress this election listens to too much Hannity. It ain't gonna happen. |
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Posted: 7/22/2010 10:54:28 AM EDT
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....................... Perfect setup. Create a catastrophe, let someone else take the wheel for the actual accident, and blame THEM for the problem. It's not even November yet but, in typical arfcom/DU fashion the Republicans are already the bad guys. I'd say it's not only a perfect setup, the Democrats and the Mainstream media tailored it specifically for guys who frequent this place. What the FUCK? Where the FUCK did you get that? I said if they DON'T REPEAL the bills, at least Healthcare and Finance Reform and (if it passes) Cap and Trade, we stand a nearly a 100% chance of economic collapse. That will happen on the Republican watch and then they will be assigned the blame by the left and the media. They HAVE to repeal these bills or they will be guilty of not trying to save the country. It will not be their fault that these were put in place, but if they don't make a real effort to get rid of these items, then they might as well not win, because they will never win again. Where did I get that? Read your own thread. |
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