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Posted: 9/4/2005 5:34:35 PM EDT
I'm talking about totally pro-gun, no restrictions, leave-us-alone and don't meddle-type of attitudes.

Would most-if not all-of the Republican/NRA/Pro-gunners vote for them, or is there more to it than just that?

I think there is.....but the Dems will never get it. They will never understand why their policies and plans fail so miserably. They will never get or come close to understanding that their policies greatly affected the results in N.O.

Can one single, polarizing issue be enough to keep them out of business and keep the red-states in despite some of GW's shortcomings this time around? (ie. Border security....)

HH
Link Posted: 9/4/2005 6:29:01 PM EDT
No. Their stance on abortion and gays would still alienate a good percentage of people.
Link Posted: 9/4/2005 6:36:38 PM EDT

Originally Posted By RikWriter:
No. Their stance on abortion and gays would still alienate a good percentage of people.



And extreme environmental policies... and limp-dicked foreign relations policies... and entitlements... 50 years from now, our kids and grandkids will be asking us how honest working Americans let these people into office.
Link Posted: 9/4/2005 6:45:37 PM EDT
The problem is, that could never happen. Socialism demands an obediant and unarmed populace.
Link Posted: 9/4/2005 6:47:20 PM EDT

Originally Posted By gus:
The problem is, that could never happen. Socialism demands an obediant and unarmed populace.



Exactly. Socialism despises free individuals.
Link Posted: 9/4/2005 6:47:49 PM EDT

Originally Posted By RikWriter:
No. Their stance on abortion and gays would still alienate a good percentage of people.



Ahhh, the two most pointless issues for politics, and yet such a strong issue.
Link Posted: 9/4/2005 6:57:48 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/4/2005 6:59:25 PM EDT
No. They would still be brainless, America hating Marxists. And they would still suck !
Link Posted: 9/4/2005 6:59:57 PM EDT

Originally Posted By qualityhardware:

Originally Posted By gus:
The problem is, that could never happen. Socialism demands an obediant and unarmed populace.



Exactly. Socialism despises free individuals.



+1
They are all about control - their whole philosophy is based on control
Link Posted: 9/4/2005 7:04:03 PM EDT
No. Most people who have guns don't vote with guns as the first priority.

People on AR15.com are a very minor subset of the population. Don't let the fact that everyone else here thinks the same as you do be a distraction. We are a small fraction of the minority. A subset of a subset of a subset.
Link Posted: 9/4/2005 7:06:16 PM EDT

Originally Posted By qualityhardware:

Originally Posted By gus:
The problem is, that could never happen. Socialism demands an obediant and unarmed populace.



Exactly. Socialism despises free individuals.

Yup, it's like asking if the KKK wasn't a racist group, would it be more popular with blacks?
Link Posted: 9/4/2005 7:14:21 PM EDT

Originally Posted By HoustonHusker:
I'm talking about totally pro-gun, no restrictions, leave-us-alone and don't meddle-type of attitudes.

Would most-if not all-of the Republican/NRA/Pro-gunners vote for them, or is there more to it than just that?

I think there is.....but the Dems will never get it. They will never understand why their policies and plans fail so miserably. They will never get or come close to understanding that their policies greatly affected the results in N.O.

Can one single, polarizing issue be enough to keep them out of business and keep the red-states in despite some of GW's shortcomings this time around? (ie. Border security....)

HH




Quite possibly. They were only a few % points behind in the last election.
Link Posted: 9/4/2005 7:15:07 PM EDT
Good question HoustonHusker. You got me thinking.

I am going to assume you mean a pro-gun facade. That is
they don't really mean it, but vote that way and talk it up
on the cameras. I can't imagine socialists really meaning it.

I am going to vote YES. Barely. It would tilt the delicate
balance. Dems are street fighters, no truth, no rules. GOP
tries to be truthful and civilized. In the TV world, Dems win.

Aside from the different PR, appealing to their respective bases,
there really is very little difference between the two major
political parties. Very very little. Evil party and dumb party,
as Menchen (I think) said. So true.

My pet theory is that is CSPAN didn't exist, and thus the
helmet-heads of both parties were not acting for the TV, we
would have a much more reasonable and sensible legislative branch.

DanM
Link Posted: 9/4/2005 7:22:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/4/2005 7:24:21 PM EDT by BigB1129]
They would have more supporters. I think them going anti-gun would be an extremely smart move compared to all the stupid crap they do. The anti-gunners already hate republicans so theyll have no choice to go with the Dems. It coulnt hurt to go pro gun.

The problem is though, people that are pro-gun have a cirtain understanding of things and see many things how they are. Know how criminals and laws work. They are less controlling and a more of "Ill protect myself, leave my guns alone." or " I can handle most situations, I dont need these useless laws and government telling me what to do"
Link Posted: 9/4/2005 7:22:28 PM EDT
The main reason I vote Republican, is not guns, or abortion, or gays.
Hell, most Democrats around here, that get into office are fairly conservative on these issues.

The problem with Dems for me is they love to tax and spend.
I feel that the Republicans will tax us the least.
Link Posted: 9/4/2005 7:27:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/4/2005 7:28:20 PM EDT by mikejohnson]
sure, but the cycle will complete:


socialism
anarchy
capitalis­m
repeat


socialism does not work, capitalism DOES, however we get the free-loader mentality and it eventually collapses...sad, but is the way of life of "entitlement"
Link Posted: 9/4/2005 7:29:58 PM EDT
Not a chance
Link Posted: 9/4/2005 7:31:18 PM EDT
I'm a one-issue voter. I don't give a flying fuck about gay rights or abortion. All I really care about are gun laws.

Given the choice between a tax and spend, tree-hugging liberal Democrat who was PRO-GUN, and an anti-gun Republican like Giuliani, I'd vote for the Democrat every time.

YMMV.



That said, I've voted a straight Republican ticket every time in my life.
Link Posted: 9/4/2005 7:45:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/4/2005 7:58:06 PM EDT by Progunvoter]
The dems have many good intentions. But it is the passion for welfare, anti-gun, anti-self-reliance, that drives people away.

And of course they love killing unborn babies - its a woman's choice - kind of like buying deodorant - it's just a 'choice', they love queers and seem to have an anti God attitude.

Now they will show up in church for photo opportunities, or carry a shotgun once in their live to say they are Pro-hunting, but anti guns.

Democrates are all things to all people - and not very good at anything. I don't think either party is very in touch with the average Working American. I vote every election for the best man regardless of the party. Hoever, I will not vote for ANYONE that is anti-2nd amendment. And the 2nd amendment is NOT about 'sporting purposes'.
Link Posted: 9/4/2005 8:06:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/4/2005 8:07:12 PM EDT by glockguy40]

Originally Posted By mr_camera_man:

Originally Posted By RikWriter:
No. Their stance on abortion and gays would still alienate a good percentage of people.



And extreme environmental policies... and limp-dicked foreign relations policies... and entitlements... 50 years from now, our kids and grandkids will be asking us how honest working Americans let these people into office.



The sad thing is, by the time you have grand kids, it will be too late. 60 minutes (yes I know its an anti-gun source) just ran a special on the generation of kids that are the offspring of the baby-boomers. They said that polls indicate that this new generation overwhelmingly trusts the government.

Soon.... the next generation will be willing to out-source their security to the government. Our gun rights will soon be coming to an end.
Link Posted: 9/4/2005 8:10:44 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/4/2005 8:13:29 PM EDT by Mr-H]
I think if they would be in favor of protecting our unborn, then they would take quite a bit of ground. But guns? Nah, hardly any of the general public cares about their gun rights. The RKBA is almost like a vestigial organ to them in their body of rights.
Link Posted: 9/4/2005 8:10:56 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/4/2005 8:11:36 PM EDT by WildBoar]
Its too late for the Democrat party. Its gone.

Liberal Socialists would be a proper term for what is currently using the term "democrat"
Link Posted: 9/4/2005 8:18:19 PM EDT

Originally Posted By HoustonHusker:
I'm talking about totally pro-gun, no restrictions, leave-us-alone and don't meddle-type of attitudes.

Would most-if not all-of the Republican/NRA/Pro-gunners vote for them, or is there more to it than just that?

I think there is.....but the Dems will never get it. They will never understand why their policies and plans fail so miserably. They will never get or come close to understanding that their policies greatly affected the results in N.O.

Can one single, polarizing issue be enough to keep them out of business and keep the red-states in despite some of GW's shortcomings this time around? (ie. Border security....)

HH



I could not stomach their stance on taxes, foreign policy, welfare/socialisim, and economic/environmental regulation... No matter what, even if they gave me my own personal M240B, for free & a lifetime supply of ammo, no strings attached...
Link Posted: 9/4/2005 8:24:23 PM EDT
The sad thing is, by the time you have grand kids, it will be too late. 60 minutes (yes I know its an anti-gun source) just ran a special on the generation of kids that are the offspring of the baby-boomers. They said that polls indicate that this new generation overwhelmingly trusts the government.

I think the more they see the govt can't handle disaters like NO the more they will come to realize you have to take care of yourself. Most young people are socialists anyway. They don't see the problems with socialism until they go out and start to earn a living
Link Posted: 9/4/2005 8:27:40 PM EDT

Originally Posted By gus:
The problem is, that could never happen. Socialism demands an obediant and unarmed populace.



Thanks Gus, for saying what I couldn't come up with on my own.

+1 btw...
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