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Posted: 11/8/2001 9:28:09 PM EDT
If somebody asked why you own an "assault rifle" or why you would need such a thing, plus all those magazines and load bearing equipment. what would you tell them in all honesty. what if a prospective girl friend asked? what if an LEO asked? why ask why? lib
Link Posted: 11/8/2001 9:33:27 PM EDT
Link Posted: 11/8/2001 9:35:59 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Gloftoe: If a friend or prosepctive girlfriend asked, I'd probably just tell them that it was something I wanted, could buy, and I did it. If an LEO asked, I simply wouldn't answer with anything other than "Because." If he had a problem with that, he can talk to my lawyer. All this shit with oneshot (in a previous thread) has me cop-shy at the moment. Not that the cops around here are bad or anything. I just would feel more comfortable not saying anything that they could twist. -Gloftoe Obeys ALL laws.
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lets assume the cop/fed asks in a freindly conversational manner and does not precede anysort of legal harrasment.
Link Posted: 11/8/2001 9:39:34 PM EDT
Link Posted: 11/8/2001 9:40:04 PM EDT
(1) Because it's legal. (2) Because I can. (3) Because it represents the most advanced weapon design for personal defense. (4) Because when it comes to weaponry, there is no such thing as being overarmed. (5) Because, being designed to be fired in a select-fire mode, it is necessarily stronger and more reliable in a defensive situation than any other weapon. (6) Because its parts (especially AR-15s) are available at National Guard Armories all over the country. (7) Because I can imagine or envision certain circumstances in which having a 'sports utility rifle' would be highly advantageous. (8) Because it is the weapon favored by those who are infinitely familar with weapons. (9) Because it is the weapon that is most likely to be banned by future legislation by some lame-brained legislature. (10) Because there are some who don't want me to have one! Eric The(ICanProbablyThinkOfMoreButThisWillDoForNo­w)Hun[>]:)]
Link Posted: 11/8/2001 9:43:24 PM EDT
I'd rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it...........
Link Posted: 11/8/2001 9:45:05 PM EDT
Originally Posted By dc63: I'd rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it...........
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My usual reply when asked why I have a CCW. Aviator [img]www.milpubs.com/aviator.gif[/img]
Link Posted: 11/8/2001 9:50:57 PM EDT
Originally Posted By libertarian: If somebody asked why you own an "assault rifle" or why you would need such a thing, plus all those magazines and load bearing equipment. what would you tell them in all honesty. what if a prospective girl friend asked? what if an LEO asked? why ask why? lib
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Cuz I want it,go find me a law that says I can't and we can talk. The girl friend take with a grane od salt and the LEO has nothing to say about it. Look at the sh!t they have! ask him if having it means he will use it or if it just makes him feel better.
Link Posted: 11/8/2001 10:02:01 PM EDT
I dunno about you guys, but my LBE is a great addition to my camping gear.
Link Posted: 11/8/2001 10:06:59 PM EDT
Link Posted: 11/8/2001 11:11:43 PM EDT
well if youre in the military, Reserves, or once were it is easy to just say "its part of my issue" or "left over from my hitch" but honestly. i keep all that on the down-low its no ones business but mine what ive got packed away for a rainy day.
Link Posted: 11/8/2001 11:15:29 PM EDT
In case theys a uprisin...[:D]
Link Posted: 11/8/2001 11:41:41 PM EDT
The same reason I have a fire extinguisher, a first aid kit, cell phone, etc.
Link Posted: 11/9/2001 1:07:43 AM EDT
"how is it that YOU do NOT, Grasshopper?"
Link Posted: 11/9/2001 1:10:19 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/9/2001 1:04:35 AM EDT by Profet_Mohammed]
Originally Posted By libertarian: If somebody asked why you own an "assault rifle" or why you would need such a thing, plus all those magazines and load bearing equipment. what would you tell them in all honesty. what if a prospective girl friend asked? what if an LEO asked? why ask why? lib
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Like my mom told me i was acting out in anger![;D]
Link Posted: 11/9/2001 1:27:33 AM EDT
Link Posted: 11/9/2001 1:40:35 AM EDT
This is one of the worst questions...... not here but from people in general. For the same reasons people own SUV's, boats, ATV's, PWC's, or airplanes. For the same reasons people own large houses, or have pets, or horses. Same reasons people choose to own cars that can go faster than any speed limit in the country allows. Same reason you don't have to justify having a gas powered lawn mower. It's a matter of personal choice, I understand the difference between wanting and needing. Personal choice was one of the reasons the country was founded. I got it because I liked it. If you think you should have the right to override my decisions don't be surprised when someone else gets to review your life choices, just to make sure you can justify how you want to live your life. Unless it is being asked.......like why do you have an M4gery instead of a M16A2 clone or a Garand......then there are different answers [;)]
Link Posted: 11/9/2001 3:08:13 AM EDT
Because eight years of socialistic Cliton rule brought this fine countries defensive forces to their knees and they can use all the help they can get when SHTF.
Link Posted: 11/9/2001 3:36:12 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/9/2001 3:38:19 AM EDT by douglas]
[b]"Education moment".[/b] Me: I see you are laboring under a common misunderstanding. Allow me to shed some light on the subject. I do not own an "assault" weapon... I own a very ugly, black, semi-automatic rifle. A semi-automatic is a self-loading mechanism that requires one pull of the trigger for each round that is fired. This is very different from a gun that is FULL Automatic, where just by holding down the trigger available ammunition is fired until the trigger is released. The "Assault" weapon has this Full Automatic feature. My gun does not, and therefore, ipso facto, does not fall into the category of "assault weapon" - despite what ignorant politicians and reporters would have you believe. pause Now, if you are asking why I own a gun, I would have to say because it is "Good Citizenship". By reading the Constitution and Bill of Rights, you will see that a very strong arguement can be made for every private American citizen being armed and proficient in the use of firearms. When would you like to go shooting? [:)]
Link Posted: 11/9/2001 3:50:58 AM EDT
I am an arms enthusiast and I collect military firearms....Some people collect stamps and some collect Baseball cards....Me, I collect firearms. Is anything wrong with that?...I didn't break the law didn't I?...So then OK...Is America great or what?...
Link Posted: 11/9/2001 3:55:03 AM EDT
I just tell them the truth--- I have a small penis and owning assault weapons and fast cars makes me feel better about myself.[;)]
Link Posted: 11/9/2001 4:06:11 AM EDT
Why people owns cars that can go fast up to 100 mph while is allowed only 55, and it's legal?
Link Posted: 11/9/2001 4:15:23 AM EDT
Its one of my hobbies. Guz
Link Posted: 11/9/2001 4:20:30 AM EDT
Combine EricThe Hun, Douglas, and Paolos answers. And that's mine. Heck, I agree with all your answers (well, except for the small johnson one [}:D] )
Link Posted: 11/9/2001 4:30:18 AM EDT
The same reason I own a car that can go faster than 65 mph. If asked this by the clueless, I usually say something about "fun".
Link Posted: 11/9/2001 4:38:21 AM EDT
For defense of myself, my state, and my Country, in that order.
Link Posted: 11/9/2001 4:39:55 AM EDT
Oh, oh, oh, I forgot the most important reason for owning a 's.u.r.', so I'll make it No. 11: 11. Because it's my duty as part of the militia to own a weapon suited for such purposes. Eric The(See:[u]USv.Miller[/u];[u]USv.Emerson[/u])Hun[>]:)]
Link Posted: 11/9/2001 4:41:23 AM EDT
My GF understood I wanted guns for fun, but she couldnt understand my reasoning for buying military type ones over "normal" guns. I recieved Red Dawn on DVD for my birthday, so we watched it together a few weeks ago in a dark house with nobody else home, and she finally understood why I wanted military-style firearms. Kharn
Link Posted: 11/9/2001 4:48:17 AM EDT
I am an American......And I can do whatever I want.
Link Posted: 11/9/2001 4:59:44 AM EDT
Originally Posted By douglas: [b]"Education moment".[/b] ...I do not own an "assault" weapon... The "Assault" weapon has this Full Automatic feature... When would you like to go shooting? [:)]
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No flame intended, but I disagree with your definition of "assault weapon." Why? Because I don't think there IS a definition. I always say, "I am quite familiar with firearms, but am unsure how to answer your question. Can you please define for me what an "assault rifle" is?" The fact is, there IS no such thing. This terminology was created by the anti-gunners to demonize firearms owners. Start with the scariest looking by giving them a scary name. In fact, the most common answer I've been given is "Well, one of those scary looking machine-gun type rifles." My response is two-fold: "Ignorance naturally causes fear" and "I don't know about you, but any gun pointed at me is scary."
Link Posted: 11/9/2001 5:05:32 AM EDT
Actually, the term "assault RIFLE" is a legitimate one. It comes from the Sturmgewehr (sp?) 44, I beleive, which Germany was developing toward the end of WW2. The term "assualt WEAPON" is the creation of gun hating hoplophobes. I think I got my facts right. A little help here??
Link Posted: 11/9/2001 5:19:46 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Tailgate: The fact is, there IS no such thing. This terminology was created by the anti-gunners to demonize firearms owners. Start with the scariest looking by giving them a scary name. In fact, the most common answer I've been given is "Well, one of those scary looking machine-gun type rifles."
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The term "assault weapon" originally comes from the DoD. It refers to selective fire weapons. Ie, the M16, which has semi automatic and full automatic modes. The whiny toads have used this term to mean any weapon that looks similar, regardless of actual functionality. Of course, civilians with Hummers aren't demonized for having assault vehicles. It's not the military uses that make it "evil". They want all guns to be removed from the hands of civilians and need to demonize classes of weapons because all attempts to repeal the second amendment have been dismal failures. As with all things, it's easier to go after small groups of people than large groups. With 65 million gun owners in the US, anything that affects all of them is doomed to failure. That's why they go after "assault weapons" and "junk guns" and now, to a lesser degree "sniper rifles". No one could be coerced into being afraid of these people if they were going after "semi automatic firearms", "inexpensive firearms" and "bolt action rifles", which is exactly what's happening.
Link Posted: 11/9/2001 5:23:07 AM EDT
The [b]Truth[/b] is that, for any reserve military and most noncombat arms active duty service members, we don't get to train with our assigned weapons very often. (i.e., active duty Marines at a base with access to suitable ranges only qualify once a year. If they are assigned to an Inspector/Instructor site, aka "reserve units", they are likely to be exempted from the qual requirements. Reserves qual once every two years) And how much time do you really think gets allocated for reteaching the fundamentals or exercising the various firing positions (off hand, kneeling, sitting and prone). It becomes apparent that somebody is weak shooter when they fail to qualify. Remedial training is given on the spot by their coach. Suffice it to say that that Marine is not going to be the high score on the range, unless they take matters into their own hands. So when do I practice? At home, dry firing across the living room on a seriously scaled down target. On the range, using my privately owned rifle and ammo. All because I can't use my government owned equipment on a regular basis, at my will.
Link Posted: 11/9/2001 5:42:01 AM EDT
"Assault weapon" is no longer a term to be debated. It is a legal term that pertains to any weapon with certain characteristics. It is a legal term.
Link Posted: 11/9/2001 5:49:44 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Major-Murphy: "Assault weapon" is no longer a term to be debated. It is a legal term that pertains to any weapon with certain characteristics. It is a legal term.
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I don't think the fact that a term has been legally codified gives it any real validity. Its still a "junk term"
Link Posted: 11/9/2001 5:54:57 AM EDT
The law, although stupid, gave the term a very specific definition. The definition of "assault weapon" is more concise in the legal world than in the Gun World. This is good, because it is through that legal specificity that "loopholes" emerge. (I wish this wasn't reality, but it is)
Link Posted: 11/9/2001 6:48:48 AM EDT
Originally Posted By douglas: [b]"Education moment".[/b] Me: I see you are laboring under a common misunderstanding. Allow me to shed some light on the subject. I do not own an "assault" weapon... I own a very ugly, black, semi-automatic rifle. A semi-automatic is a self-loading mechanism that requires one pull of the trigger for each round that is fired. This is very different from a gun that is FULL Automatic, where just by holding down the trigger available ammunition is fired until the trigger is released. The "Assault" weapon has this Full Automatic feature. My gun does not, and therefore, ipso facto, does not fall into the category of "assault weapon" - despite what ignorant politicians and reporters would have you believe.
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You beat me to this. [:D] This pisses me off that us gun owners keep making this mistake. If we can't use proper terms to describe weapons, how will the 'unintelligent' people ever know the difference.
Link Posted: 11/9/2001 6:52:26 AM EDT
Originally Posted By AR_Rifle: I am an American......And I can do whatever I want.
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[;)] Not exactly true. Can you fly? Legally drive 150 mph? Own a fully operational M1 Abrams? Just picking on ya. [:D]
Link Posted: 11/9/2001 6:54:14 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Major-Murphy: The law, although stupid, gave the term a very specific definition. The definition of "assault weapon" is more concise in the legal world than in the Gun World. This is good, because it is through that legal specificity that "loopholes" emerge. (I wish this wasn't reality, but it is)
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Well, let me clarify. If they one day create law that calls me speaking out loud my religious faith a "hate crime," I'm not gonna dignify that law by calling speaking out loud about my religious faith a "hate crime." NO MATTER WHAT THE LAW SAYS. Same with "assault weapon." The fact that they have codified it as such in fact makes me LESS likely to use the term, as I refuse to dignify ignorant and unConstitutional laws.
Link Posted: 11/9/2001 6:57:05 AM EDT
Facts are facts. Even if you don't like them.
Link Posted: 11/9/2001 6:59:25 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Major-Murphy: Facts are facts. Even if you don't like them.
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And dignifying stupid and unConstitutional laws is stupid and unConstitutional. Even if they are laws.
Link Posted: 11/9/2001 7:01:53 AM EDT
Link Posted: 11/9/2001 7:02:35 AM EDT
One of my friends asked me that when I showed him my Beretta. "why do you need that?" he asks. Without a word, I went and got my fire extinguisher from the pantry, and I told him "the same reason I have this... better to have it and not need it, than need it and not have it" My AR, when I got it a few weeks ago, kinda scared him, but I told him about high power rifle competitions and he kinda understood. He's not REALLY afraid, just kinda acting goofy... hehehe.
Link Posted: 11/9/2001 7:07:57 AM EDT
Here's one I used the other day. "So I can survive long enough for the cops to get here."
Link Posted: 11/9/2001 7:08:40 AM EDT
Originally Posted By garandman: Actually, the term "assault RIFLE" is a legitimate one. It comes from the Sturmgewehr (sp?) 44, I beleive, which Germany was developing toward the end of WW2. The term "assualt WEAPON" is the creation of gun hating hoplophobes. I think I got my facts right. A little help here??
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If you call a dog's tail a leg, how many legs does a typical dog have? Five? NO. Four. Calling a tail a leg, doesn't make it one.
Link Posted: 11/9/2001 7:18:25 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/9/2001 7:38:27 AM EDT by garandman]
Originally Posted By Norm_G:
Originally Posted By garandman: Actually, the term "assault RIFLE" is a legitimate one. It comes from the Sturmgewehr (sp?) 44, I beleive, which Germany was developing toward the end of WW2. The term "assualt WEAPON" is the creation of gun hating hoplophobes. I think I got my facts right. A little help here??
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If you call a dog's tail a leg, how many legs does a typical dog have? Five? NO. Four. Calling a tail a leg, doesn't make it one.
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My point , perhaps not clearly made, was that "Sturmgewehr" is translated "assault rifle" to the best of my knowledge. Again, I ask anyone to correct me here. "Blitzkrieg" "panzerfaust" and "sturmgewehr" being historical terms will always mean what they mean, regardless of present day useage, or misuseage. "CORRECTION: "sturmgewehr" = "storm rifle." leaving the origin of "assault rifle" in question. The term "assault rifle" however has been widely accepted in the firearms community to mean a rifle capable of selective fire. This occurred LONG before DiFido got that evil twinkle in her eye.
Link Posted: 11/9/2001 7:37:38 AM EDT
Here ya go.... [url]www.sturmgewehr.com/[/url] [img]www.sturmgewehr.com/sturmgewehr.jpg[/img]
Link Posted: 11/9/2001 7:47:11 AM EDT
Originally Posted By libertarian: If somebody asked why you own an "assault rifle" or why you would need such a thing, plus all those magazines and load bearing equipment. what would you tell them in all honesty. what if a prospective girl friend asked? what if an LEO asked? why ask why? lib
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If a prospective girlfriend asked, it would be, "Why not?" If it was one of my LEO friends, they wouldn't ask why, they would ask how much I paid. If it was an unknown LEO, I would say, "I'm an avid collector." [;)]
Link Posted: 11/9/2001 7:52:47 AM EDT
Because collecting firearms makes me feel free. If I didn't feel free, I might become paranoid and dangerous.
Link Posted: 11/9/2001 8:15:53 AM EDT
Question: Why do you need to own such awful, evil assault weapons? Answer: Why to support the belt-fed weapons of course!
Link Posted: 11/9/2001 8:22:37 AM EDT
Denying me the right to own one is denying me the right to due process because by doing so, the government assumes that by merely owning a gun I am pre-inclined to commit a crime and therefor guilty.
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