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Posted: 10/11/2007 5:55:07 AM EST
For those of you who say that if it comes down to Rudy and Hitlery that we gun owners should vote for Rudy or risk electing Hitlery by not voting or voting 3rd party, I have a question. If it comes down to these two in the general election and you vote for Rudy and he wins, will you be willing to come back on here and openly post that you voted for the lesser of two evils when Rudy starts passing major gun control. Will you be willing to openly apologize to gun owners everywhere for your part in bringing about new gun laws. Why do we continue as a society and specifically as gun owners to keep giving a little here and there only to get nothing in return? When will we stand up as Americans and vote for the right candidate? Wake up Sheeple, we are actively giving our rights away when we vote for the lesser of two evils.
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 5:56:00 AM EST
If it comes down to the two of them I'm moving to New Zealand. Both of them want my guns.
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 5:57:45 AM EST

Originally Posted By Debo75:
If it comes down to the two of them I'm moving to New Zealand. Both of them want my guns.


Exactly. Although, I can't afford to move.
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 5:58:34 AM EST

Originally Posted By glocklover:
For those of you who say that if it comes down to Rudy and Hitlery that we gun owners should vote for Rudy or risk electing Hitlery by not voting or voting 3rd party, I have a question. If it comes down to these two in the general election and you vote for Rudy and he wins, will you be willing to come back on here and openly post that you voted for the lesser of two evils when Rudy starts passing major gun control. Will you be willing to openly apologize to gun owners everywhere for your part in bringing about new gun laws. Why do we continue as a society and specifically as gun owners to keep giving a little here and there only to get nothing in return? When will we stand up as Americans and vote for the right candidate? Wake up Sheeple, we are actively giving our rights away when we vote for the lesser of two evils.


I post that I did my part to constrain the rise of the left, whereas you will admit that you stuck your head in the sand and hoped that 10,00,000 welfare recipients would see the light of Ron Paul...
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 5:58:58 AM EST

Originally Posted By Debo75:
If it comes down to the two of them I'm moving to New Zealand. Both of them want my guns.


It's actually pretty hard to get into New Zealand if you don't have family there, from what i've heard.

Are you serious, or just making absurd threats?
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 6:00:00 AM EST

Originally Posted By DriftPunch:

Originally Posted By glocklover:
For those of you who say that if it comes down to Rudy and Hitlery that we gun owners should vote for Rudy or risk electing Hitlery by not voting or voting 3rd party, I have a question. If it comes down to these two in the general election and you vote for Rudy and he wins, will you be willing to come back on here and openly post that you voted for the lesser of two evils when Rudy starts passing major gun control. Will you be willing to openly apologize to gun owners everywhere for your part in bringing about new gun laws. Why do we continue as a society and specifically as gun owners to keep giving a little here and there only to get nothing in return? When will we stand up as Americans and vote for the right candidate? Wake up Sheeple, we are actively giving our rights away when we vote for the lesser of two evils.


I post that I did my part to constrain the rise of the left, whereas you will admit that you stuck your head in the sand and hoped that 10,00,000 welfare recipients would see the light of Ron Paul...


How are you constraining the rise of the left by making the most left-wing candidate in the "right-wing party" it's leader?
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 6:02:16 AM EST
The way I look at it in this election, you either vote for the lesser of two evils, or you are voting for the greater of two evils.

Whether you crash your car at 30mph or 60mph, it still sucks, and you still wrecked your car. I'll hit the brakes and hit at 30.

-K
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 6:02:35 AM EST

Originally Posted By DriftPunch:

Originally Posted By glocklover:
For those of you who say that if it comes down to Rudy and Hitlery that we gun owners should vote for Rudy or risk electing Hitlery by not voting or voting 3rd party, I have a question. If it comes down to these two in the general election and you vote for Rudy and he wins, will you be willing to come back on here and openly post that you voted for the lesser of two evils when Rudy starts passing major gun control. Will you be willing to openly apologize to gun owners everywhere for your part in bringing about new gun laws. Why do we continue as a society and specifically as gun owners to keep giving a little here and there only to get nothing in return? When will we stand up as Americans and vote for the right candidate? Wake up Sheeple, we are actively giving our rights away when we vote for the lesser of two evils.


I post that I did my part to constrain the rise of the left, whereas you will admit that you stuck your head in the sand and hoped that 10,00,000 welfare recipients would see the light of Ron Paul...


Rudy is the left. I do not like nor will I vote for Ron Paul. At this point, I like Thompson and Huckabee. Constraining the rise of the left is no longer good enough, we must crush the left. (And again, Rudy is a leftist.)
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 6:03:36 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/11/2007 6:04:16 AM EST by Beltfed]
I don't believe Rudy will pass major gun control, if he got in as President I don't think that would remotely be one of his priorities.

If its Rudy vs. Hillary, I'm willing to take my chances with Rudy.

Granted, I don't want it to come down to that.
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 6:03:57 AM EST

Originally Posted By david_g17:

Originally Posted By DriftPunch:

Originally Posted By glocklover:
For those of you who say that if it comes down to Rudy and Hitlery that we gun owners should vote for Rudy or risk electing Hitlery by not voting or voting 3rd party, I have a question. If it comes down to these two in the general election and you vote for Rudy and he wins, will you be willing to come back on here and openly post that you voted for the lesser of two evils when Rudy starts passing major gun control. Will you be willing to openly apologize to gun owners everywhere for your part in bringing about new gun laws. Why do we continue as a society and specifically as gun owners to keep giving a little here and there only to get nothing in return? When will we stand up as Americans and vote for the right candidate? Wake up Sheeple, we are actively giving our rights away when we vote for the lesser of two evils.


I post that I did my part to constrain the rise of the left, whereas you will admit that you stuck your head in the sand and hoped that 10,00,000 welfare recipients would see the light of Ron Paul...


How are you constraining the rise of the left by making the most left-wing candidate in the "right-wing party" it's leader?


Exactly.
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 6:05:26 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 6:05:27 AM EST

Originally Posted By Special-K:
The way I look at it in this election, you either vote for the lesser of two evils, or you are voting for the greater of two evils.

Whether you crash your car at 30mph or 60mph, it still sucks, and you still wrecked your car. I'll hit the brakes and hit at 30.

-K


If we gun owners would stick together, we could get a pro-gun candidate into the general election.
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 6:05:37 AM EST

Originally Posted By david_g17:

Originally Posted By DriftPunch:

Originally Posted By glocklover:
For those of you who say that if it comes down to Rudy and Hitlery that we gun owners should vote for Rudy or risk electing Hitlery by not voting or voting 3rd party, I have a question. If it comes down to these two in the general election and you vote for Rudy and he wins, will you be willing to come back on here and openly post that you voted for the lesser of two evils when Rudy starts passing major gun control. Will you be willing to openly apologize to gun owners everywhere for your part in bringing about new gun laws. Why do we continue as a society and specifically as gun owners to keep giving a little here and there only to get nothing in return? When will we stand up as Americans and vote for the right candidate? Wake up Sheeple, we are actively giving our rights away when we vote for the lesser of two evils.


I post that I did my part to constrain the rise of the left, whereas you will admit that you stuck your head in the sand and hoped that 10,00,000 welfare recipients would see the light of Ron Paul...


How are you constraining the rise of the left by making the most left-wing candidate in the "right-wing party" it's leader?
I'm talking about the General election, where he would face Hillary. I'm not talking about picking Rudi from the Republican field. I feel that Fred is the best ...
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 6:07:42 AM EST

Originally Posted By shotar:
Yes, I would come on here and say I voted for Rudy. Not my first choice for the office, but better than having to Say President Clinton again.


Both, I believe, would enact major gun control so how is having Rudy any different than having Hitlery?
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 6:09:36 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/11/2007 6:11:25 AM EST by mnvwguy02]

Originally Posted By Debo75:
If it comes down to the two of them I'm moving to New Zealand. Both of them want my guns.


Having just returned fron NZ (business trip), I can say that NZ has gun registration and gun control. My impression is that NZ is very socialist progressive (which I view negativley).

To the OP. Rudy is less likey to be an abosolute Tyrant W.R.T. gun grabbing. If my choice is a Liberal (Rudy) and a Neo-Marxist (Hillary), and voiting for a third party will ensure we get the Neo-Marxist, I'll take the liberal. Will I apologize for it? No.
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 6:10:59 AM EST

Originally Posted By Beltfed:
I don't believe Rudy will pass major gun control, if he got in as President I don't think that would remotely be one of his priorities.

If its Rudy vs. Hillary, I'm willing to take my chances with Rudy.

Granted, I don't want it to come down to that.


I personally think Rudy is full of crap when it comes to his new found love for the second amendment and will pass every piece of anti-gun legislation that crosses his desk if he becomes President.
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 6:11:15 AM EST

Originally Posted By glocklover:
If it comes down to these two in the general election and you vote for Rudy and he wins, will you be willing to come back on here and openly post that you voted for the lesser of two evils when Rudy starts passing major gun control. Will you be willing to openly apologize to gun owners everywhere for your part in bringing about new gun laws.


Of course not. They will bitch about how Fred Thompson, our savior, got screwed.

Ron Paul is the only Republican who can take Hillary. The others are all the other cheek of the same ass.
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 6:12:12 AM EST

Originally Posted By shotar:
Yes, I would come on here and say I voted for Rudy. Not my first choice for the office, but better than having to Say President Clinton again.


What he said.
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 6:12:43 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/11/2007 6:14:42 AM EST by david_g17]

Originally Posted By Beltfed:
I don't believe Rudy will pass major gun control, if he got in as President I don't think that would remotely be one of his priorities.

If its Rudy vs. Hillary, I'm willing to take my chances with Rudy.

Granted, I don't want it to come down to that.


I believe he is very anxious to enact federal gun control laws.

why? because he says so:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=64aItXm2Pc4


"we can only go so far unless the federal government... helps get control over [guns coming into NYC]."
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 6:12:58 AM EST
In the general election I will vote for the republican nominee, as long as that nominee is not romney or rudy.

I WILL NOT vote for a communistic piece of shit who openly opposes the US constitution.
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 6:13:32 AM EST

Originally Posted By Submariner:

Originally Posted By glocklover:
If it comes down to these two in the general election and you vote for Rudy and he wins, will you be willing to come back on here and openly post that you voted for the lesser of two evils when Rudy starts passing major gun control. Will you be willing to openly apologize to gun owners everywhere for your part in bringing about new gun laws.


Of course not. They will bitch about how Fred Thompson, our savior, got screwed.

Ron Paul is the only Republican who can take Hillary. The others are all the other cheek of the same ass.


You are absolutely delusional if you think Ron Paul would defeat Hillary in a presidential election.
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 6:14:14 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/11/2007 6:14:37 AM EST by Beltfed]

Originally Posted By glocklover:

Originally Posted By Beltfed:
I don't believe Rudy will pass major gun control, if he got in as President I don't think that would remotely be one of his priorities.

If its Rudy vs. Hillary, I'm willing to take my chances with Rudy.

Granted, I don't want it to come down to that.


I personally think Rudy is full of crap when it comes to his new found love for the second amendment and will pass every piece of anti-gun legislation that crosses his desk if he becomes President.


I don't know, like I said in another thread......maybe he turned over a new leaf?

I know Hillary will sign everything that crosses her desk.

As said, if its R vs. H......to me there is no other choice than to take my chances with Rudy.

Link Posted: 10/11/2007 6:16:47 AM EST

Originally Posted By glocklover:

Originally Posted By Debo75:
If it comes down to the two of them I'm moving to New Zealand. Both of them want my guns.


Exactly. Although, I can't afford to move.


There will be lots of boating accident.
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 6:18:14 AM EST

Originally Posted By david_g17:

Originally Posted By Beltfed:
I don't believe Rudy will pass major gun control, if he got in as President I don't think that would remotely be one of his priorities.

If its Rudy vs. Hillary, I'm willing to take my chances with Rudy.

Granted, I don't want it to come down to that.


I believe he is very anxious to enact federal gun control laws.

why? because he says so:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=64aItXm2Pc4


"we can only go so far unless the federal government... helps get control over [guns coming into NYC]."


Oh, I know what he's said in the past.....I'm just hoping it doesn't come down to him being the Rep. nominee.
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 6:19:40 AM EST
Between Rudy and Hitlery?

vote for Hitlery, and let's get it on..

Ops
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 6:19:59 AM EST

Originally Posted By Beltfed:
I don't believe Rudy will pass major gun control, if he got in as President I don't think that would remotely be one of his priorities.

If its Rudy vs. Hillary, I'm willing to take my chances with Rudy.

Granted, I don't want it to come down to that.


Rudy wouldn't be passing gun control. It doesn't need to be one of his priorities. He would simply sign it into law when it hit his desk. He wouldn't need to do anything except sign his name - which he would do.

If Hillary would win, the Republicans would fight her attempts at more gun control. If Rudy would win, then some Republicans would go along with his attempts at "protecting the citizens".

No vote for Rudy from me.
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 6:21:25 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/11/2007 6:22:07 AM EST by readytorock556]

Originally Posted By Ops:
Between Rudy and Hitlery?

vote for Hitlery, and let's get it on..

Ops


Direct Action will be the rule off the day after that bitch gets in there.



pg 2 ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!­!!!
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 6:21:35 AM EST
I'm going to Home Depot today and buy PVC pipe and caps for my "EBR" AR-15 and 30rd mags! I WILL NOT GIVE THEM UP!

If/when they are "Stored" I will have to rely on my 870 Marine Magnum and my various .45 ACP pistols.
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 6:22:17 AM EST

Originally Posted By glocklover:
For those of you who say that if it comes down to Rudy and Hitlery that we gun owners should vote for Rudy or risk electing Hitlery by not voting or voting 3rd party, I have a question. If it comes down to these two in the general election and you vote for Rudy and he wins, will you be willing to come back on here and openly post that you voted for the lesser of two evils when Rudy starts passing major gun control. Will you be willing to openly apologize to gun owners everywhere for your part in bringing about new gun laws. Why do we continue as a society and specifically as gun owners to keep giving a little here and there only to get nothing in return? When will we stand up as Americans and vote for the right candidate? Wake up Sheeple, we are actively giving our rights away when we vote for the lesser of two evils.


Explain how a president passes legislation.
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 6:22:26 AM EST

Originally Posted By DriftPunch:

Originally Posted By david_g17:

Originally Posted By DriftPunch:

Originally Posted By glocklover:
For those of you who say that if it comes down to Rudy and Hitlery that we gun owners should vote for Rudy or risk electing Hitlery by not voting or voting 3rd party, I have a question. If it comes down to these two in the general election and you vote for Rudy and he wins, will you be willing to come back on here and openly post that you voted for the lesser of two evils when Rudy starts passing major gun control. Will you be willing to openly apologize to gun owners everywhere for your part in bringing about new gun laws. Why do we continue as a society and specifically as gun owners to keep giving a little here and there only to get nothing in return? When will we stand up as Americans and vote for the right candidate? Wake up Sheeple, we are actively giving our rights away when we vote for the lesser of two evils.


I post that I did my part to constrain the rise of the left, whereas you will admit that you stuck your head in the sand and hoped that 10,00,000 welfare recipients would see the light of Ron Paul...


How are you constraining the rise of the left by making the most left-wing candidate in the "right-wing party" it's leader?
I'm talking about the General election, where he would face Hillary. I'm not talking about picking Rudi from the Republican field. I feel that Fred is the best ...


so am I.
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 6:24:08 AM EST

Originally Posted By Ops:
Between Rudy and Hitlery?

vote for Hitlery, and let's get it on..

Ops


I held the same view, for quite a while actually, but I came to the conclusion that you can't use evil to defeat evil.
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 6:24:24 AM EST

Originally Posted By glocklover:

Originally Posted By shotar:
Yes, I would come on here and say I voted for Rudy. Not my first choice for the office, but better than having to Say President Clinton again.


Both, I believe, would enact major gun control so how is having Rudy any different than having Hitlery?


Supreme Court appointments.

Rudy will have to nominate conservatives or his nominees will be killed by Republicans in the Senate. See the Harriet Miers saga for what happens when a President nominates someone against the will of his party.
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 6:25:10 AM EST

Originally Posted By jrkarp:

Originally Posted By glocklover:
For those of you who say that if it comes down to Rudy and Hitlery that we gun owners should vote for Rudy or risk electing Hitlery by not voting or voting 3rd party, I have a question. If it comes down to these two in the general election and you vote for Rudy and he wins, will you be willing to come back on here and openly post that you voted for the lesser of two evils when Rudy starts passing major gun control. Will you be willing to openly apologize to gun owners everywhere for your part in bringing about new gun laws. Why do we continue as a society and specifically as gun owners to keep giving a little here and there only to get nothing in return? When will we stand up as Americans and vote for the right candidate? Wake up Sheeple, we are actively giving our rights away when we vote for the lesser of two evils.


Explain how a president passes legislation.


like they always do, through executive order.
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 6:25:11 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 6:25:18 AM EST

Originally Posted By glocklover:

Originally Posted By shotar:
Yes, I would come on here and say I voted for Rudy. Not my first choice for the office, but better than having to Say President Clinton again.


Both, I believe, would enact major gun control so how is having Rudy any different than having Hitlery?


Are you aware that there are other issues besides gun control?

Like the war we are fighting?

Like the socialist agenda that Hillary will try to push?
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 6:25:43 AM EST

Originally Posted By eswanson:

Originally Posted By Submariner:

Originally Posted By glocklover:
If it comes down to these two in the general election and you vote for Rudy and he wins, will you be willing to come back on here and openly post that you voted for the lesser of two evils when Rudy starts passing major gun control. Will you be willing to openly apologize to gun owners everywhere for your part in bringing about new gun laws.


Of course not. They will bitch about how Fred Thompson, our savior, got screwed.

Ron Paul is the only Republican who can take Hillary. The others are all the other cheek of the same ass.


You are absolutely delusional if you think Ron Paul would defeat Hillary in a presidential election.
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 6:26:39 AM EST

Originally Posted By david_g17:

Originally Posted By jrkarp:

Originally Posted By glocklover:
For those of you who say that if it comes down to Rudy and Hitlery that we gun owners should vote for Rudy or risk electing Hitlery by not voting or voting 3rd party, I have a question. If it comes down to these two in the general election and you vote for Rudy and he wins, will you be willing to come back on here and openly post that you voted for the lesser of two evils when Rudy starts passing major gun control. Will you be willing to openly apologize to gun owners everywhere for your part in bringing about new gun laws. Why do we continue as a society and specifically as gun owners to keep giving a little here and there only to get nothing in return? When will we stand up as Americans and vote for the right candidate? Wake up Sheeple, we are actively giving our rights away when we vote for the lesser of two evils.


Explain how a president passes legislation.


like they always do, through executive order.


Uh, no.

Sorry.

EO's are limited in scope and nature, and they are NOT legislation.
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 6:29:19 AM EST

Originally Posted By jrkarp:

Originally Posted By glocklover:

Originally Posted By shotar:
Yes, I would come on here and say I voted for Rudy. Not my first choice for the office, but better than having to Say President Clinton again.


Both, I believe, would enact major gun control so how is having Rudy any different than having Hitlery?


Are you aware that there are other issues besides gun control?

Like the war we are fighting?

Like the socialist agenda that Hillary will try to push?


oh, he's got his own agenda:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zs5DxwzEXHQ&mode=related&search=rudy%20giuliani%20gun%20control%20nra%20natio­nal%20rifle%20association
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 6:31:39 AM EST

Originally Posted By jrkarp:

Originally Posted By david_g17:

Originally Posted By jrkarp:

Originally Posted By glocklover:
For those of you who say that if it comes down to Rudy and Hitlery that we gun owners should vote for Rudy or risk electing Hitlery by not voting or voting 3rd party, I have a question. If it comes down to these two in the general election and you vote for Rudy and he wins, will you be willing to come back on here and openly post that you voted for the lesser of two evils when Rudy starts passing major gun control. Will you be willing to openly apologize to gun owners everywhere for your part in bringing about new gun laws. Why do we continue as a society and specifically as gun owners to keep giving a little here and there only to get nothing in return? When will we stand up as Americans and vote for the right candidate? Wake up Sheeple, we are actively giving our rights away when we vote for the lesser of two evils.


Explain how a president passes legislation.


like they always do, through executive order.


Uh, no.

Sorry.

EO's are limited in scope and nature, and they are NOT legislation.


close enough to legislation to put this board under.


During his term, President Clinton also used the power of executive orders to implement gun control policies. On April 6, 1998 Clinton signed an order that permanently banned the importation of more than 50 semiautomatic assault weapons. In 2001 Clinton also used executive orders to ban the importation of assault pistols and tighten licensing rules on gun dealers. Many accused Clinton of overuse of the executive power on gun control issues. In 1999 White House domestic policy chief Bruce D. Reed said, "The country is tired of waiting for Congress to respond to the tragedy in Littleton. The administration is going to do every thing in its power to make progress on guns."
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 6:32:44 AM EST

Originally Posted By glocklover:

Originally Posted By shotar:
Yes, I would come on here and say I voted for Rudy. Not my first choice for the office, but better than having to Say President Clinton again.


Both, I believe, would enact major gun control so how is having Rudy any different than having Hitlery?


Not a SHRED of proof that Rudy would enact any restrictive legislation. Now the Congress....

I would rather bet on Rudy's veto than Hillary's.
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 6:35:32 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/11/2007 6:36:40 AM EST by JCKnife]

Originally Posted By Ops:
Between Rudy and Hitlery?

vote for Hitlery, and let's get it on..

Ops


Yes, that's my answer also.

Cincinnatus did a poll on this about a month ago and 30% of ARFCOM is voting for Hillary in this scenario. So if those are the two choices, looks like we have a new president Clinton.
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 6:37:21 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/11/2007 6:40:16 AM EST by navvet89]

Originally Posted By glocklover:
For those of you who say that if it comes down to Rudy and Hitlery that we gun owners should vote for Rudy or risk electing Hitlery by not voting or voting 3rd party, I have a question. If it comes down to these two in the general election and you vote for Rudy and he wins, will you be willing to come back on here and openly post that you voted for the lesser of two evils when Rudy starts passing major gun control. Will you be willing to openly apologize to gun owners everywhere for your part in bringing about new gun laws. Why do we continue as a society and specifically as gun owners to keep giving a little here and there only to get nothing in return? When will we stand up as Americans and vote for the right candidate? Wake up Sheeple, we are actively giving our rights away when we vote for the lesser of two evils.


1) You vote the candidate you WANT in the primaries.
2) If that candidate fails to get the party nomination you vote for who your party
nominated. FULL FUCKING STOP. (You had your say in the primary)
3) The only other alternative is too see the opposing parties candidate win.


The logic isn't that difficult.

your vote >> your choice in the primaries >> your parties choice in the general election (regardless of if your favorite got the nod or not)

If it comes to Rudy or Hillary! in the general, I'll vote for Rudy. If he starts restricting 2nd Amendment rights I'll say "I voted for that bastard over a Socialist Hillary! and now he's fucking with the 2A, at least I expected it".

Lets hear your logic.

If it's Rudy or Hillary who are you voting for? I'll give you a hint, in the general it's too fucking late to choose the candidate your party will run, that happens in the primaries.

ETA: Go Fred.
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 6:37:25 AM EST

Originally Posted By Keith_J:

Originally Posted By glocklover:

Originally Posted By shotar:
Yes, I would come on here and say I voted for Rudy. Not my first choice for the office, but better than having to Say President Clinton again.


Both, I believe, would enact major gun control so how is having Rudy any different than having Hitlery?


Not a SHRED of proof that Rudy would enact any restrictive legislation. Now the Congress....

I would rather bet on Rudy's veto than Hillary's.


yeah, and I'd rather bet on the Easter Bunny's veto than Rudy's. Given the opportunity, he will sell us out to get some other mundane package passed.

Link Posted: 10/11/2007 6:38:03 AM EST

Originally Posted By david_g17:
close enough to legislation to put this board under.


During his term, President Clinton also used the power of executive orders to implement gun control policies. On April 6, 1998 Clinton signed an order that permanently banned the importation of more than 50 semiautomatic assault weapons. In 2001 Clinton also used executive orders to ban the importation of assault pistols and tighten licensing rules on gun dealers. Many accused Clinton of overuse of the executive power on gun control issues. In 1999 White House domestic policy chief Bruce D. Reed said, "The country is tired of waiting for Congress to respond to the tragedy in Littleton. The administration is going to do every thing in its power to make progress on guns."


No.

Because the President is the head of the executive branch, and the ATF, customs, State Department, etc are all under the executive branch, the President technically has the authority to implement such policies, unless and until Congress enacts legislation to the contrary.

Notice that those EOs related to importation of weapons, not domestic possession or production. That's because you can't use an EO for that. What do you use? Legislation, like the 1994 AWB.

People really need to get a better understanding of this kind of thing.
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 6:40:48 AM EST

Originally Posted By david_g17:

Originally Posted By Keith_J:

Originally Posted By glocklover:

Originally Posted By shotar:
Yes, I would come on here and say I voted for Rudy. Not my first choice for the office, but better than having to Say President Clinton again.


Both, I believe, would enact major gun control so how is having Rudy any different than having Hitlery?


Not a SHRED of proof that Rudy would enact any restrictive legislation. Now the Congress....

I would rather bet on Rudy's veto than Hillary's.


yeah, and I'd rather bet on the Easter Bunny's veto than Rudy's. Given the opportunity, he will sell us out to get some other mundane package passed.



The Easter Bunny isn't running.

Here in the real world we have to work with the options presented to us. There are two viable options in this election: Hillary and whoever the Republicans run.

No Republican is proposing socialized medicine.
No Republican is proposing withdrawal from Iraq (except RP).
No Republican is proposing sitting down and meeting with terrorists.

The list goes on and on.

And yes, as bad as Rudy is on guns, Hillary is worse.

And also, the SCOTUS nominations are the biggest thing at stake here.
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 6:41:26 AM EST
WITH THESE CHOICES THERE IS NO LESSER EVIL!!!

Link Posted: 10/11/2007 6:41:36 AM EST
I wish people had the balls to vote for a person they agreed with/believed in. Not this lesser of 2 evils BS. It is because of wussies like this that we are stuck in this ridiculous 2 party system. People that just vote Republican for the sake that they are a republican.

You are all nothing but mindless drones! Research the issues get involved and campaign for someone that you agree with. Democrats and Republicans are the same party.
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 6:47:03 AM EST
I'm not completely convinced of it yet, but I'm starting to believe that Rudy hasn't so much changed his mind on how he thinks on certain issues but has changed his mind on what he SHOULD and SHOULDN'T do as president as per the Constitution.

I did a lot of things in my younger years that have absolutely NO bearing on what kind of person I am today and what choices I would make now compared to then.

My eyes are still open and I'm still listening. I'm not convinced that Rudy is our savior, but I'm not convinced that he is our downfall either.

That being said, I'm with Fred.
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 6:52:11 AM EST
Ok dont vote for the lesser of two evils, vote third party and get the worst person elected.
If you could give me one third party candidate with enough support to make it interesting I would join you.
But until then you are waisting your vote becuase by the time you drum up enough support to get e true 2nd ammend. conservative elected in say 2-3 elections we will have no rights left.
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 6:56:52 AM EST

Originally Posted By Debo75:
If it comes down to the two of them I'm moving to New Zealand. Both of them want my guns.


So do Kiwi governments.
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 6:59:24 AM EST

Originally Posted By timdog68:
Ok dont vote for the lesser of two evils, vote third party and get the worst person elected.
If you could give me one third party candidate with enough support to make it interesting I would join you.
But until then you are waisting your vote becuase by the time you drum up enough support to get e true 2nd ammend. conservative elected in say 2-3 elections we will have no rights left.


Way to be a sheep and wait for someone else to take the lead, and show you the good path.

The fact is 3rd party candidates are very active, and have a lot of support. It is just that most people do not realize that there is a whole big world going on out there outside of Foxnews.
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