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Posted: 12/23/2012 5:53:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/23/2012 5:53:02 PM EDT by DV8]
would you still carry you Glock? I've been going over this a bit. One of reasons I like my Glock 17 so much is its large magazine capacity, however if I am reduced to having 10-1 rounds of 9mm for CCW I am not sure the size of the G17 is worth it since there are smaller, slimmer options out there (Kahr etc) with similar capacities.

Just food for thought, hope it doesn't come to pass.
Link Posted: 12/19/2012 4:26:11 AM EDT
Are you serious? You think your already-legally-acquired magazines will be confiscated? Ya think that happened during the Klinton ban?
Link Posted: 12/19/2012 4:28:07 AM EDT
Yep. I got into glocks during the ban. Could I have used a 26 instead of a 19 or 17, probably, but I like teh larger grips.
Link Posted: 12/19/2012 4:29:14 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Fragalistic:
Are you serious? You think your already-legally-acquired magazines will be confiscated? Ya think that happened during the Klinton ban?


No I don't think they will be confiscated at all actually. I was 14 when the last ban hit so my knowledge of it is admittedly not all that great.

Link Posted: 12/19/2012 4:35:46 AM EDT
Confiscated? Nothing of mine will be "confiscated"....
Link Posted: 12/19/2012 4:44:45 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/19/2012 4:45:25 AM EDT by newyork]
Originally Posted By saharat:
Confiscated? Nothing of mine will be "confiscated"....


I'm in a ban state, so I've had to research, abiding by the law, and pay out the nose for prebans and can tell you, no one is confiscating anything of mine either.
Link Posted: 12/19/2012 4:55:07 AM EDT
The first awb was one of the reasons glock then others came out with small 10 plus 1 9mm's
If you can't have high caps then you should have either a more compact gun or a larger Cali er. Right before the ban the 45 auto was becoming less popular than 9 or 40. During the ban the 45 showed a big jump in popularity again.
Every ban I know of with the exception of the 10 round max pistol cap ban in Hawaii allowed grandfathered ( made prior to the ban dAte) full cap mags. Anything you already own would still be yours. I would expect gun shortages as if anything happens companies will shift production from guns to mags to make as many as possible prior to any new law taking effect
Link Posted: 12/19/2012 5:00:22 AM EDT
Originally Posted By captain127:
The first awb was one of the reasons glock then others came out with small 10 plus 1 9mm's
If you can't have high caps then you should have either a more compact gun or a larger Cali er. Right before the ban the 45 auto was becoming less popular than 9 or 40. During the ban the 45 showed a big jump in popularity again.
Every ban I know of with the exception of the 10 round max pistol cap ban in Hawaii allowed grandfathered ( made prior to the ban dAte) full cap mags. Anything you already own would still be yours. I would expect gun shortages as if anything happens companies will shift production from guns to mags to make as many as possible prior to any new law taking effect


Good info, thanks.
Link Posted: 12/19/2012 5:06:12 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Storz:
Originally Posted By Fragalistic:
Are you serious? You think your already-legally-acquired magazines will be confiscated? Ya think that happened during the Klinton ban?


No I don't think they will be confiscated at all actually. I was 14 when the last ban hit so my knowledge of it is admittedly not all that great.



Who thought during the 90's that we'd have a president named BHO with a radical anti-American Kenyan father and a left wing anti-American mother who was pretty much openly a socialist? As someone who has litigated federal constitutional issues in court many times, I am very worried about this. I hope we will be able to keep our mags, but I don't doubt for a second they would take them if they could. And after the last election its' pretty clear that the majority of Americans are going to let them have their way with us.
Link Posted: 12/19/2012 5:19:31 AM EDT
IF it comes to that, & they ban all mags over 10rds, & have no grandfather clause, Yeah I will carry my G27 instead of my G22. No sense in carrying the 22 if I can only have 10rds.

Link Posted: 12/19/2012 5:50:29 AM EDT
CT tried to pass a ban on high capacity mags last year that would've made any possession a felony with no grandfather clause. Unfortunately I think it will pass quite easily this year...
Link Posted: 12/19/2012 6:07:05 AM EDT
When 10 round magazine limit was in effect during 1994 and 2004, many people went

compact/subcompact,
slim gun or
bigger caliber
Link Posted: 12/19/2012 6:36:38 AM EDT
Hate it but. During the ban I carried a Glock 21 with 3 ten round mags instead of 2 13rnd mags. I'm quick at changing mags.

And If they confiscate your stuff the Pres will be very unhappy when those who loose their stuff take advantage of the Tax code. "Un Insured Loss" and take tens of thousands of dollars off their income tax for the retail loss and the Govsees a lot less taxs comming in and a lot more money going out.

They hate guns but hate to loose money even more.

Link Posted: 12/19/2012 7:00:24 AM EDT
If a ban on 10+ mags comes to pass? I have been thinking about this lately, To stay with Glock, I can use the models 26, 27, 29, 30, 33, 36, 37, 38, 39.

I'll probably go with a 26 or 27 or the good old 1911. Already looking at a lightweight Commander size gun. I know this for a fact, I WILL NOT pay the exhorbatant price for a standard capacity mag like I did during the last ban. I'll lean towards 1911's or smaller guns. But I have a few mags for my G17's and I might get a couple more if I can to keep on hand. As far as AR mags. I have a few, but I never use that gun much anyway.
Link Posted: 12/19/2012 7:01:04 AM EDT
I bought my 19 during the last ban. I still have ten round mags. They work just fine. I can still defend myself. To be honest, I carry them in the gun because of weight. As far as anyone else is concerned, what high cap magazines? I only have the two ten rounders that I got with my pistol in 2001.

Joe
Link Posted: 12/19/2012 7:07:47 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/19/2012 7:24:16 AM EDT by UFGatorAR]
I already switched from my Glock 23 to a Kahr P45 - I wanted a slim, single stack 45 and the thing shoots great. I have 6+1 and figure if I need more than that I may be in more trouble than my CCW is going to get me out of.

(ETA- not knocking my G23 in any way. I took it to the range last time and am still as accurate as ever with it. 100s of rounds, not one misfire or issue, great gun, I just wanted something slimmer)
Link Posted: 12/19/2012 8:31:30 AM EDT
I predict that .45 GAP would suddenly become more popular.
Link Posted: 12/19/2012 8:49:35 AM EDT

Originally Posted By jungp:
When 10 round magazine limit was in effect during 1994 and 2004, many people went

compact/subcompact,
slim gun or
bigger caliber

+1

94 AWB had the unintended consequence of creating a new class of smaller, more concealable firearms, and an explosion of larger caliber firearms.
Link Posted: 12/19/2012 10:13:16 AM EDT
Doesn't make sense to go right to a smaller gun just because it normally carries less rds. Shoot and carry the same gun you're used to. If all defensive Ammo is equal, why would you automatically go to 45 be it ACP or GAP? Do you shoot a 17 normally because it holds 2 more rds than the 19? Or is the longer grip, slide and sight radius do it for you?
Link Posted: 12/19/2012 10:18:17 AM EDT
Originally Posted By newyork:
Do you shoot a 17 normally because it holds 2 more rds than the 19? Or is the longer grip, slide and sight radius do it for you?


I actually complete in USPSA with it as well, so grip/sight/barrel length are all factors

Link Posted: 12/19/2012 10:25:00 AM EDT
During the ban I was able to carry all my old high-capacity magazines since they were all pre-ban. No state that I traveled to had restrictions on using pre-ban mags. Even to this day, California still has pre-ban magazines that people own with full capacity.

They may change that this time, but last time, nobody need 10 rounders unless you were late to the parade and bought post-ban. But even then you could still buy pre-ban magazines online for more money, and still carry full capacity.
Link Posted: 12/19/2012 10:26:36 AM EDT
Jersey didn't grandfather hi cap mags. Anything over 15 is illegal.
Link Posted: 12/19/2012 10:28:03 AM EDT
Sorry Storz, I wasn't responding to you, just the mentality that everyone would go to compacts just because they could only have 10 rds
Link Posted: 12/19/2012 10:28:12 AM EDT
Jersey sucks if you are a gunowner. They ban all hollowpoints as well. Even for off-duty cops (at least they did back when I lived in PA).

Originally Posted By d1jinx:
Jersey didn't grandfather hi cap mags. Anything over 15 is illegal.


Link Posted: 12/19/2012 10:29:34 AM EDT
Originally Posted By jungp:
When 10 round magazine limit was in effect during 1994 and 2004, many people went

compact/subcompact,
slim gun or
bigger caliber


Yep. The .45ACP became very popular as a concealed carry gun.

My pistol is a HK P7, less than 10 rounds so I wouldn't change anything.
Link Posted: 12/19/2012 10:40:28 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Storz:
Originally Posted By Fragalistic:
Are you serious? You think your already-legally-acquired magazines will be confiscated? Ya think that happened during the Klinton ban?


No I don't think they will be confiscated at all actually. I was 14 when the last ban hit so my knowledge of it is admittedly not all that great.



My mistake. Never occurred to me that anybody could be as young as you.

Link Posted: 12/19/2012 1:00:58 PM EDT
Originally Posted By saharat:
Confiscated? Nothing of mine will be "confiscated"....


Link Posted: 12/19/2012 1:52:12 PM EDT
I'll be in jail before anything of mine becomes confiscated. Hopefully with at least 10 million other MEN.
Link Posted: 12/19/2012 4:41:45 PM EDT
There will be no new gun legislation.
Link Posted: 12/19/2012 4:43:32 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Navyguns45:
There will be no new gun legislation.


dont bet on it...
Link Posted: 12/19/2012 4:47:58 PM EDT
NY'er here. Been living with 10 rd mags for a while.

(You can tell a NY shooter 'cuz he's got callouses on his thumbs)
Link Posted: 12/19/2012 4:50:27 PM EDT
Originally Posted By jungp:
When 10 round magazine limit was in effect during 1994 and 2004, many people went

compact/subcompact,
slim gun or
bigger caliber


This.
Link Posted: 12/19/2012 4:53:02 PM EDT
This thread needs more 10mm
Link Posted: 12/19/2012 5:08:24 PM EDT
Originally Posted By rock71:
I predict that .45 GAP would suddenly become more popular.


Thinking the same thing here.
Link Posted: 12/19/2012 5:15:04 PM EDT
Originally Posted By jungp:
When 10 round magazine limit was in effect during 1994 and 2004, many people went

compact/subcompact,
slim gun or
bigger caliber


IMHO This will be what happens if a over 10 round magazine ban hits and their is no AWB language in it.

1911's in commander and full size, slim compacts like kahr and the M&P shield will rule the day.

Many more carbines than now will be glassed with medium power optics to maximize first round hits.

Link Posted: 12/19/2012 5:29:58 PM EDT
Originally Posted By hammet:
NY'er here. Been living with 10 rd mags for a while.

(You can tell a NY shooter 'cuz he's got callouses on his thumbs)


Yes and we've seen what a great effect the reduced capacity mags have had on gun violence there.
Link Posted: 12/19/2012 7:22:32 PM EDT
Originally Posted By machinegunseabee:
Originally Posted By jungp:
When 10 round magazine limit was in effect during 1994 and 2004, many people went

compact/subcompact,
slim gun or
bigger caliber


IMHO This will be what happens if a over 10 round magazine ban hits and their is no AWB language in it.

1911's in commander and full size, slim compacts like kahr and the M&P shield will rule the day.

Many more carbines than now will be glassed with medium power optics to maximize first round hits.




Screw that, G30 FTW
Link Posted: 12/19/2012 8:43:22 PM EDT
While I hate to interject politics into a technical forum, I'm VERY concerned and I think you all should be, too. Yes, the last ban grandfathered mags and guns owned prior to the ban and included a sunset provision, but I believe it was dear, sweet Diane Feinstein herself who said that, if they thought they could have gotten away with it, they would have banned OWNERSHIP of so-called "Assault Weapons" and evil mags with capacity over 10 rds, not just grandfathered them, and would have never included a sunset provision. IIRC, her quite was something like, "If we could have, we would have banned them all....Mr and Mrs America, turn them in!" They have the political power now and the Repubs seem to be caving on the tax issue, so why not guns? They are blitzing the media and people I know who I never would have thought would lean towards a gun ban have expressed to me that maybe it's time, for the children, of course! If they can, they will ban ownership, not just purchase after a certain date, and there will be no sunset provision. They don't care that it would have absolutely no effect on crime. It's not about GUN control, it's about CONTROL, period! The real question is, do they have the political power to do it?I honestly don't know, and that scares me.

And, to answer your question, I'd continue to carry my G26. 10+1, dead-nuts reliable, accurate enough and durable. Reloads may have to go to 10rd G26 mags instead of the 15rd G19 or 17rd G17 mags I currently carry, but it shouldn't really mean much.

Bub75
Link Posted: 12/19/2012 9:54:55 PM EDT
Others have already stated what became popular during the previous ban.

One thing to keep in mind: If you have a hi cap pistol and a plentiful supply of normal mags, just keep those mags for carry/rainy day storage. Buy a few "reduced capacity"/ban-compliant mags and use those for range/training. I did this with some 10 round G22 mags and it worked nicely for the small price I paid for three of them.

Beyond that, a Commander sized 1911 wouldn't be bad in the collection. My M&P45 has 10 round mags standard, so no loss there. There's also the compact version (that I wish I'd bought) that still totes 10 rounds in a roughly G19 sized package. Hell, maybe Glock would actually make a single stack 9/40.

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Link Posted: 12/20/2012 1:22:23 AM EDT
Originally Posted By ARJJ:
If you have a hi cap pistol and a plentiful supply of normal mags, just keep those mags for carry/rainy day storage. Buy a few "reduced capacity"/ban-compliant mags and use those for range/training. I did this with some 10 round G22 mags and it worked nicely for the small price I paid for three of them.


This is what I did, too.
Link Posted: 12/20/2012 3:41:27 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Navyguns45:
There will be no new gun legislation.


Booze? LSD? There's help for such hallucinations and delusions.

Link Posted: 12/20/2012 5:30:22 AM EDT
Originally Posted By StrangerDanger:
I'll be in jail before anything of mine becomes confiscated. Hopefully with at least 10 million other MEN.


?






J/k. I know what you mean.

On topic, I have eight 15rd and one 22rd for my G22 already.
I regularly carry a Kahr anyway, less than. 10rd capacity.
Link Posted: 12/20/2012 5:40:39 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Navyguns45:
There will be no new gun legislation.


Link Posted: 12/20/2012 5:54:09 AM EDT
Just remember "Ban" is not the same as "confiscation"
If they did make hi-caps illegal, what do they expect us to do with our mags?... throw them in the trash? buy back?

I would still carry my Glock even if it was only with 10 rounders.
Just carry an extra mag.... which is funny, because I carry a G23, so I have 13 rounders (2 mags = 26 rounds).
If I carry 3 10 rounders, I'll have 4 more bullets...

thanks Obama! Everyone will be carrying even more ammo after your stupid ass "ban"


Link Posted: 12/20/2012 6:21:11 AM EDT
They'll probably just add "assault weapons" to the NFA.
Link Posted: 12/20/2012 8:07:36 AM EDT
Originally Posted By phoenix426:
Just remember "Ban" is not the same as "confiscation"
If they did make hi-caps illegal, what do they expect us to do with our mags?... throw them in the trash? buy back?

I would still carry my Glock even if it was only with 10 rounders.
Just carry an extra mag.... which is funny, because I carry a G23, so I have 13 rounders (2 mags = 26 rounds).
If I carry 3 10 rounders, I'll have 4 more bullets...

thanks Obama! Everyone will be carrying even more ammo after your stupid ass "ban"




I would still carry my hi cap mags... even if they were baned from possession

P

Link Posted: 12/20/2012 8:16:40 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Fragalistic:
Are you serious? You think your already-legally-acquired magazines will be confiscated? Ya think that happened during the Klinton ban?


Nothing will be "confiscated" despite what the foil-hatters say. But, transfer may be prohibited meaning you are stuck with what you have and it has zero resale value. Ponder that.
Link Posted: 12/20/2012 10:43:26 AM EDT
Originally Posted By coalmen:
Originally Posted By Fragalistic:
Are you serious? You think your already-legally-acquired magazines will be confiscated? Ya think that happened during the Klinton ban?


Nothing will be "confiscated" despite what the foil-hatters say. But, transfer may be prohibited meaning you are stuck with what you have and it has zero resale value. Ponder that.


That is why I am stocked up, but it pisses me off that I can never legally pass anything to my children, or family. In reality, you could probably swap/sell stuff to people you absolutely trust.
Link Posted: 12/20/2012 1:11:10 PM EDT
Originally Posted By coalmen:
Originally Posted By Fragalistic:
Are you serious? You think your already-legally-acquired magazines will be confiscated? Ya think that happened during the Klinton ban?


Nothing will be "confiscated" despite what the foil-hatters say. But, transfer may be prohibited meaning you are stuck with what you have and it has zero resale value. Ponder that.


How will they know what you have unless you register your magazines and guns?
Link Posted: 12/20/2012 1:46:29 PM EDT
I certainly agree that a "no transfer" reg might be passed, per Kalifornia. However, it just seems absurd, with Republicans in control of the House, that any new gun control legislation would see the light of day. The so-called Republicans who'd let that happen can kiss my ass!
Link Posted: 12/20/2012 2:50:07 PM EDT
That's not what the speaker of the house said today...Scott Brown (good riddance) also supports any new AWB. The Republican party isn't much different than the Democrat. It's all about controlling the people.
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