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Posted: 9/16/2005 9:30:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/17/2005 11:49:46 AM EDT by SteyrAUG]
Such as the ones I posted a few weeks ago.

SCORE...Add Two More HK MP5s To The Collection...





You may want to take a walk over to Sturmgewehr. Several dealers are selling them pretty cheap in the $2,700 - $3,100 range.

Apparantly these are all coming from California Department of Corrections. About 750 DOC HK 94s have been recently introduced to the market.

They average about NRA VG condition and are priced right. HK94s normally start around $3,500.

I've got a few for myself and I'm squared away so this is just a heads up.

Do I need to mention these will probably go quick?

ETA: For the benefit of those not familiar with Sturmgewehr.com

Sturmgewehr Semi-Auto Market Board

Several dealers selling HK94s. Currently one 7 listings down the page:

# WTB VEPR K 7.62x39mm w/ 16.5" Barrel (views: 13) -- Albert T in R.I. -- 9/17/05 15:00

# WTS NIB P7K3 7.65 KAL COLLECTOR PISTOL $1699 (views: 10) -- ED IN AZ -- 9/17/05 14:51

# WTS: LE Colt 6920s $1,140 & 6520s $1,050 (views: 12) -- SteyrAUG In FL. -- 9/17/05 14:51

# WTS: Romanian AK-74 W/Extras $525 (views: 15) -- Troy S. in TX -- 9/17/05 14:32

# WTS:HK P7M8 factory Nickel $1295.00 (views: 14) -- Mark McWillis-trosusa.com-in Orygun -- 9/17/05 14:13

# WTS: HK USP-T .45 OD frame $995.00 (views: 8) -- Mark McWillis-trosusa.com-in Orygun -- 9/17/05 14:08

# WTS:HK94A2's $2530.00 shipped (views: 55) -- Mark McWillis-trosusa.com-in Orygun -- 9/17/05 14:06

Also guys like Gordon Miller selling them as low as $2,500 with a refinish and SBR option.
Link Posted: 9/16/2005 9:31:58 PM EDT
Wow that is a really good price. Thanks for the heads up.
Link Posted: 9/16/2005 9:33:20 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/16/2005 9:33:45 PM EDT by QuantumPion]
thats soo expensive for a semi auto pistol carbine with ackward long barrel... might as well get a sig 550 or an AUG or something.
Link Posted: 9/16/2005 9:36:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/16/2005 9:38:32 PM EDT by SteyrAUG]

Originally Posted By QuantumPion:
thats soo expensive for a semi auto pistol carbine with ackward long barrel... might as well get a sig 550 or an AUG or something.



Yeah I can remember Colt 9mm Carbines going for $2995 when they were banned. They'd still be that price if the ban didn't end. Since the HK is an IMPORT the ban won't ever end.

So price is the result of a closed market.

As for the barrel, 16" just like the Colt 9mm. For $200 you can SBR it.

If you still don't want one that is your call.

But some folks are paying almost $2,000 for shitty HK 94 KNOCKOFFS.

I'm just giving people a heads up about the real deal for not much more.

And you'll NEVER touch a AUG or 550 for that price.

20" Green AUGs are going for around $3,800, Black 16" for about $4,500.

And SIG 550s?!? Try about $9,000 for a semi.
Link Posted: 9/16/2005 9:41:05 PM EDT

Originally Posted By QuantumPion:
thats soo expensive for a semi auto pistol carbine with ackward long barrel... might as well get a sig 550 or an AUG or something.

Link Posted: 9/16/2005 9:48:27 PM EDT
Damn, if I just had the cash.
Link Posted: 9/16/2005 10:04:05 PM EDT

Originally Posted By GAcop:
Damn, if I just had the cash.



sooooo +1
Link Posted: 9/16/2005 11:24:42 PM EDT
How I would love to have a 94.

What really ticks me off is that those of us trapped in the PRK - paid for those with our tax dollars.
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 9:38:31 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Citabria7GCBC:

Originally Posted By GAcop:
Damn, if I just had the cash.



sooooo +1



Bumped for those who might have the cash.

They won't get cheaper than this guys.
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 9:44:45 AM EDT
Wish i had the coin for one of those
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 9:46:06 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/17/2005 9:46:41 AM EDT by rssc]
The funny thing is, I've seen non Cali guns sell for $3100 give or take a few hundred. If these guns have a fair amount of wear, I don't see how anything close to $3000 is all that good of a deal. Especially if they all have numbers stenciled into the receiver as I've heard some have.
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 9:51:32 AM EDT
I paid $2750 for a IF date code HK94 May of 2004. It came with a 5 30 round mags and 1 15 round mag and the box.

It was own by a Ohio police department since 1985, and they traded several HK94s to Pete Athens of PJs Invesments. He traded Steyr USRs for the HK94s.

Any way your DOJ HK94 looks to be in better shape than mine.

Nice work Steyr AUG!

Chris
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 9:53:10 AM EDT
<-------------wish I had the money.
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 9:58:20 AM EDT

Originally Posted By rssc:
The funny thing is, I've seen non Cali guns sell for $3100 give or take a few hundred. If these guns have a fair amount of wear, I don't see how anything close to $3000 is all that good of a deal. Especially if they all have numbers stenciled into the receiver as I've heard some have.



Yeah, these are starting around $2,700 and up to the $3,100 range.

And despite the fact that one will OCCASSIONALLY come across a HK94 for $3,100 they are usually in crap condition for that price. And HK94s normally start around $3,500.

More importantly you can't just decide to "buy" and HK 94 and reliably find one for any price.

I know a guy who ended up paying $4,100 for his because the time he happened to look for one the only ones available were some serious beaters in the $3,500 range and one that was about 98% for $4,100. He looked around for 2 weeks and that was IT and he had the money THEN and he wanted to spend it before something came along and gobbled up his cash.

Bottom line is HK 94s in this condition normally start around $3,500 and these are selling for around $2,700-3,100. So if a person has always wanted a HK 94 this is a good time to buy and these are a good deal.

I already had a couple 94s and some MP5s but this was such a good deal I grabbed a few more.

And I wanted to give everyone else who may have "always wanted one" the heads up.

If you think you can do better, more power to you.

If you find a large lot of mint HK94s in the $3,100 range please let us know.
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 10:15:55 AM EDT
tag
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 10:40:43 AM EDT
The shitty thing is, I have the cash for one, but I need to save money because I'm moving in 2 months
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 11:12:22 AM EDT

Originally Posted By kaizoku:
The shitty thing is, I have the cash for one, but I need to save money because I'm moving in 2 months



Hey I need to come up with 10k for a new roof.

I still might buy 2 more.
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 3:21:02 PM EDT
Bumped so nobody misses the boat.
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 3:22:49 PM EDT
I usually buy one firearm per year.

Haven't bought one yet. No extra money.
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 3:23:30 PM EDT
Just a dream for me to buy one, so I'll drool.
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 5:08:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/17/2005 5:31:30 PM EDT by Cope]
Got my 94A3 last year from an FFL in NOLA. It is indeed minty, and cost me $3150. In hindsight, I am proud to have at least preemptively rescued it from the aftermath of Katrina.

$2400 is a (s)creaming deal.

There goes the sear market again... I gave up a few months ago when I couldn't find one for less than $10k.
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 5:13:04 PM EDT
wow! great deal! If I lived in a state where MGs where a no-go I would def. get one. But if you think about it, you can get a M11 for nearly the same $$
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 5:15:13 PM EDT
Nice but I'm building a domestic subgun for a quarter of that.
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 5:25:00 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 5:29:09 PM EDT
geez, you throw the guys a good deal, and all of a sudden no one is interested.
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 5:34:29 PM EDT
Living in CT, I cannot take advantage of the deal. Sucks to be me, otherwise I would be all over it.
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 5:35:50 PM EDT
These things were pulled from use by the DoC in early/mid 1990's and rumored to have been destroyed around 2000.



Wonders never cease...!
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 8:44:15 PM EDT
If only I hadn't just bought all the parts for a 9mm AR
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 9:25:43 PM EDT

Originally Posted By -Absolut-:
wow! great deal! If I lived in a state where MGs where a no-go I would def. get one. But if you think about it, you can get a M11 for nearly the same $$



And?
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 9:26:20 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Jon3:
If only I hadn't just bought all the parts for a 9mm AR



[Cough] Both [Cough]
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 10:39:46 PM EDT
whats so great about this rifle? also why would you want a 9mm? 5.56 gets the job done better, right?
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 10:51:25 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Progunvoter:
whats so great about this rifle? also why would you want a 9mm? 5.56 gets the job done better, right?





Actually, I want to get one so I can use it to hang off of elevator shafts ala Die Hard...



Crap, this is tempting.
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 3:04:56 AM EDT
Are these all A2s or are there A3s available. None of the adds I saw were for the A3s.

Are the A3 stocks available?

I saw several 93 A3s in the $2500 range are they about the same as 94?
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 3:48:37 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/18/2005 3:49:03 AM EDT by M1-Matt]

Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:

Originally Posted By kaizoku:
The shitty thing is, I have the cash for one, but I need to save money because I'm moving in 2 months



Hey I need to come up with 10k for a new roof.

I still might buy 2 more.



This should hold you over for 6 months


Link Posted: 9/18/2005 5:21:58 AM EDT

Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:

Originally Posted By Jon3:
If only I hadn't just bought all the parts for a 9mm AR



[Cough] Both [Cough]



Hrm, I have a bonus coming at the end of the month for an employee referral...
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 6:42:03 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Progunvoter:
whats so great about this rifle? also why would you want a 9mm? 5.56 gets the job done better, right?



All I know is a socket set is way better than a drill.
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 6:44:45 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Maddog_44:
Are these all A2s or are there A3s available. None of the adds I saw were for the A3s.

Are the A3 stocks available?

I saw several 93 A3s in the $2500 range are they about the same as 94?




I added the A3 stock myself. Expensive but available.

The 93s don't cost nearly as much as the 94s, but a 93A3 for $2500 is a decent price.
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 6:51:42 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/18/2005 7:07:09 AM EDT by XM777]

Anybody in the PA area looking for a DOC HK94, there is a dealer at the Valley Forge Show this Sat/Sun with a table full (and a stack behind the table) of them in ranging in price from $1800 - $2000.

The $1800 units have finish wear but the insides looks like new. Ideal for an MP-5 conversion.

Link Posted: 9/18/2005 7:57:39 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/18/2005 8:04:33 AM EDT by Cope]

Originally Posted By XM777:
Anybody in the PA area looking for a DOC HK94, there is a dealer at the Valley Forge Show this Sat/Sun with a table full (and a stack behind the table) of them in ranging in price from $1800 - $2000.

The $1800 units have finish wear but the insides looks like new. Ideal for an MP-5 conversion.




You just had to post that, didn't you? All of a sudden, the current typical $2500 price isn't that appealing.

If I was within driving distance of that show, I would be there at that price. Anyone have any idea who this dealer is?
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 8:29:57 AM EDT
I thought Sig was making a US produced semi-auto version of the 550 for around $2000 soon?
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 8:57:09 AM EDT

Since I wasn't in the market for one I did not get the Dealer's card. Maybe one of the PA crew did happen to get his contact info though.
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 9:25:03 AM EDT
Steyr AUG check your IM.

There is a HK94 for sale $2,450.............that is a GOOD deal!!

Link Posted: 9/18/2005 9:33:36 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 10:24:48 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/18/2005 10:41:30 AM EDT by rssc]

Originally Posted By HiramRanger:

Originally Posted By Cope:

Originally Posted By XM777:
Anybody in the PA area looking for a DOC HK94, there is a dealer at the Valley Forge Show this Sat/Sun with a table full (and a stack behind the table) of them in ranging in price from $1800 - $2000.

The $1800 units have finish wear but the insides looks like new. Ideal for an MP-5 conversion.




You just had to post that, didn't you? All of a sudden, the current typical $2500 price isn't that appealing.

If I was within driving distance of that show, I would be there at that price. Anyone have any idea who this dealer is?



man if I were only at that show I'd be all over one for 1,800... just have it refinished down the road. Now how is he selling them at that price when the going rate on this is supposed to be $2,400 and up?



Oh yeah, $1800 to 2250 is right on target....
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 10:25:37 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/18/2005 10:40:45 AM EDT by rssc]

Originally Posted By UZI4you:
Steyr AUG check your IM.

There is a HK94 for sale $2,450.............that is a GOOD deal!!




YUP, 3K is too much for these!
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 10:48:28 AM EDT

Originally Posted By HiramRanger:

Originally Posted By Cope:

Originally Posted By XM777:
Anybody in the PA area looking for a DOC HK94, there is a dealer at the Valley Forge Show this Sat/Sun with a table full (and a stack behind the table) of them in ranging in price from $1800 - $2000.

The $1800 units have finish wear but the insides looks like new. Ideal for an MP-5 conversion.




You just had to post that, didn't you? All of a sudden, the current typical $2500 price isn't that appealing.

If I was within driving distance of that show, I would be there at that price. Anyone have any idea who this dealer is?



man if I were only at that show I'd be all over one for 1,800... just have it refinished down the road. Now how is he selling them at that price when the going rate on this is supposed to be $2,400 and up?



The ones in that price range are what we in the business call the bottom feeders. These came out of Cali in all kinds of conditions. It is worth it to upgrade to the ones in the $2500+ range because the ones in the $2000 range are pretty spent.
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 10:49:36 AM EDT

Originally Posted By rssc:

Originally Posted By UZI4you:
Steyr AUG check your IM.

There is a HK94 for sale $2,450.............that is a GOOD deal!!




YUP, 3K is too much for these!



If you look at Sturm you will discover that the ones in the $3100 range have been refinished.
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 10:53:06 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/18/2005 10:58:22 AM EDT by rssc]

Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:

Originally Posted By rssc:

Originally Posted By UZI4you:
Steyr AUG check your IM.

There is a HK94 for sale $2,450.............that is a GOOD deal!!




YUP, 3K is too much for these!



If you look at Sturm you will discover that the ones in the $3100 range have been refinished.



Steyr... Tell me something. Do all the guns have the PD # engraved into them? If so has this been removed? In my case, I'd have to pay for another refinished as I'd plan on using the gun as a sear host, have it remarked, etc. If I could get a cheap one, then have it totally overhauled as part of a conversion into a sear host, that'd be ok with me. Of course, as long as the firearm isn't screwed up.
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 11:24:04 AM EDT

Originally Posted By rssc:

Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:

Originally Posted By rssc:

Originally Posted By UZI4you:
Steyr AUG check your IM.

There is a HK94 for sale $2,450.............that is a GOOD deal!!




YUP, 3K is too much for these!



If you look at Sturm you will discover that the ones in the $3100 range have been refinished.



Steyr... Tell me something. Do all the guns have the PD # engraved into them? If so has this been removed? In my case, I'd have to pay for another refinished as I'd plan on using the gun as a sear host, have it remarked, etc. If I could get a cheap one, then have it totally overhauled as part of a conversion into a sear host, that'd be ok with me. Of course, as long as the firearm isn't screwed up.



Some do, some don't.

More importantly the numbers are just scratched on the finish not actually engraved in the metal.

A simply polish and refinish will correct the ones with numbers.

Also if it is gonna be a sear host you would need to refinished after the SBR conversion in any case.
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 11:30:21 AM EDT

Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:

Also if it is gonna be a sear host you would need to refinished after the SBR conversion in any case.



Yeah that's why one of the cheaper ones would be fine. It would be overhauled anyways as part of the SBR conversion. What has the condition been like on the cheaper ones you've seen?
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 1:01:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/18/2005 1:08:35 PM EDT by Maddog_44]
So, is the 93 the same as a 94 but with a larger mag well? At some later day, could you use this as a host for an auto sear?

ETA... thanks for putting up with all these dumb questions and the links
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