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Posted: 1/26/2014 7:47:31 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/26/2014 8:00:40 AM EDT by Beachhead0]
It's looks like I'm going to be purchasing a new house soon and I'd like to build a gun room in the basement.  orignally I was thinking about building a Cinderblock/concrete/rebar room in the corner something like 6'x6'.

My father-in-law suggested (he's a gun guy also) just shortening the basement by 6' and making the room the width of the basement as it would look less obvious(with the door hidden) than a room in a corner.  I like his idea and realistically where I live the odds of someone robbing my home are slim and I'm well insured...so I don't know if cinderblock/concrete/rebar is necessary...especially if it's hidden.

My materials budget is about $3,000 tops (not including drywall, normal studs electrical and ventilation).  I'd like to come in under that budget if possible.

Any input would be much appreciated and links to material ideas.
Link Posted: 1/26/2014 7:48:56 AM EDT
5"x22" is awful small.  That wouldn't hold but maybe 2 rifles.
Link Posted: 1/26/2014 7:49:35 AM EDT
Um, " = inches.  ' is feet.   ...unless you're building a 5 inch by 22 inch gun room.
Link Posted: 1/26/2014 7:50:44 AM EDT
OP must have a nice collection of SBRs
Link Posted: 1/26/2014 7:51:10 AM EDT
FPNI
Link Posted: 1/26/2014 7:51:57 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/26/2014 7:54:00 AM EDT by sitdwnandhngon]
I know a block guy if you need one....he would probably cut a fellow member a deal too.

Edit: 8" block right now is like $1.25 each, very cheap material for building with. Grouting the cells wouldn't be required structurally, but to keep people from smashing through the wall with a sledge it would be almost mandatory.
Link Posted: 1/26/2014 7:51:57 AM EDT
You do mean in ft. not inches right?
Link Posted: 1/26/2014 7:52:14 AM EDT
Make it bigger.
Link Posted: 1/26/2014 7:53:33 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By helmutlent:
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That's what she said.......
Link Posted: 1/26/2014 7:56:16 AM EDT
Might want to measure twice before cutting.
Link Posted: 1/26/2014 7:56:35 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/26/2014 7:56:41 AM EDT by LuckyDucky]
It's a dollhouse gunroom.

Link Posted: 1/26/2014 7:56:38 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By PhilChordoma:
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Link Posted: 1/26/2014 7:57:15 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/26/2014 7:58:19 AM EDT by Beachhead0]
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Originally Posted By the_ak_kid:
5"x22" is awful small.  That wouldn't hold but maybe 2 rifles.
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Lol, yea my bad 5'x22'


Yes 5" would have been pretty small, perhaps a very small exotic ammo collection
Link Posted: 1/26/2014 7:58:03 AM EDT
How did you mistake the '' for the ' that many times, OP?

Link Posted: 1/26/2014 8:00:00 AM EDT
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Multitasking at its worst, talking to family, the real estate broker, watching tv and posting this.
Link Posted: 1/26/2014 8:02:46 AM EDT
How do you expect the kids to learn how to read, if they cant even fit inside the building?
Link Posted: 1/26/2014 8:05:01 AM EDT
Link Posted: 1/26/2014 8:05:27 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By TrueRebel:
How do you expect the kids to learn how to read, if they cant even fit inside the building?
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What is this, an arms room for ants!?!?

Link Posted: 1/26/2014 8:07:11 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By sitdwnandhngon:
I know a block guy if you need one....he would probably cut a fellow member a deal too.

Edit: 8" block right now is like $1.25 each, very cheap material for building with. Grouting the cells wouldn't be required structurally, but to keep people from smashing through the wall with a sledge it would be almost mandatory.
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Seems like a pretty good idea, I may take you up on that.
Link Posted: 1/26/2014 8:13:35 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Beachhead0:


It's looks like I'm going to be purchasing a new house soon and I'd like to build a gun room in the basement.  orignally I was thinking about building a Cinderblock/concrete/rebar room in the corner something like 6'x6'.



My father-in-law suggested (he's a gun guy also) just shortening the basement by 6' and making the room the width of the basement as it would look less obvious(with the door hidden) than a room in a corner.  I like his idea and realistically where I live the odds of someone robbing my home are slim and I'm well insured...so I don't know if cinderblock/concrete/rebar is necessary...especially if it's hidden.



My materials budget is about $3,000 tops (not including drywall, normal studs electrical and ventilation).  I'd like to come in under that budget if possible.



Any input would be much appreciated and links to material ideas.
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Trying to hide them from the gubermant then..

 
Keep a few compliant guns set out for show.
Link Posted: 1/26/2014 8:13:56 AM EDT
If you are sure you want a secret room make it bigger than you think you will need. Maybe later you might decide you want to store some valuables in there, make a hidden cache of emergency food and supplies, construct a private fetish dungeon, or stash away whatever sized container of soda your state will ban next. Plan ahead now instead of coming back and redoing it in the future.
Link Posted: 1/26/2014 8:21:05 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Masterbagger:
If you are sure you want a secret room make it bigger than you think you will need. Maybe later you might decide you want to store some valuables in there, make a hidden cache of emergency food and supplies, construct a private fetish dungeon, or stash away whatever sized container of soda your state will ban next. Plan ahead now instead of coming back and redoing it in the future.
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It will be easier to make it big in the basement too since there isn't really a way to know the true size of the room by comparing to adjacent room sizes.
Link Posted: 1/26/2014 8:36:08 AM EDT
no basement windows on the side you plan it on I hope.   And make sure whatever entrance it has is solid when closed. that way it can double as a panic room if need be
Link Posted: 1/26/2014 9:00:14 AM EDT
plate steel and gun turrets...



Link Posted: 1/26/2014 9:01:07 AM EDT
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plate steel and gun turrets...



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Yes, line it with AR500 steel
Link Posted: 1/26/2014 9:14:44 AM EDT
I claimed a weird shaped bonus room in my house.  It's long and narrow like you are going to end up with.  I put a work/reloading bench along one wall and put some shelving on the other wall.  Not the best layout, but there is plenty of room for my gun stuff in there.











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Link Posted: 1/26/2014 9:16:55 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By TrueRebel:
How do you expect the kids to learn how to read, if they cant even fit inside the building?
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Link Posted: 1/26/2014 9:17:10 AM EDT
I would consider making it a little wider.

By the time you put rack or shelves on the sides you wont have much space to get stuff or walk.
Link Posted: 1/26/2014 9:23:35 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By MK4Mod0:
I would consider making it a little wider.
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Yep.

24" bench/shelf on each side plus at least 3ft open in middle.

I'd go 10' minimum.
Link Posted: 1/26/2014 9:23:57 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/26/2014 9:29:34 AM EDT by Gatorcountry]
I just finished a room in my basement similar to the dimensions you posted.  Mine ended up being 6.4' x 22'.  Excluding the safe door, the cost to build the room was easily under 3K.



























I also built a solid oak reloading bench:

















 
Link Posted: 1/26/2014 9:25:21 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By NJPM1:
Um, " = inches.  ' is feet.   ...unless you're building a 5 inch by 22 inch gun room.
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Yep!
Link Posted: 1/26/2014 9:30:40 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Gatorcountry:
I just finished a room in my basement similar to the dimensions you posted.  Mine ended up being 6.4' x 22'.  Excluding the safe door, the cost to build the room was easily under 3K.

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r24/Gatorcountry/start-35_zps892aa302.jpg

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r24/Gatorcountry/start-36_zps71eb32d4.jpg

I also built a solid oak reloading bench:

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r24/Gatorcountry/20130705_185707_zps12ba09c9.jpg

 
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tell us about that room door.
Link Posted: 1/26/2014 9:39:21 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By TrueRebel:
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It needs to be....



Atleast 3 times as big!
Link Posted: 1/26/2014 9:40:47 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Mach:
Originally Posted By Gatorcountry:



I just finished a room in my basement similar to the dimensions you posted.  Mine ended up being 6.4' x 22'.  Excluding the safe door, the cost to build the room was easily under 3K.
http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r24/Gatorcountry/start-35_zps892aa302.jpg
http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r24/Gatorcountry/start-36_zps71eb32d4.jpg
I also built a solid oak reloading bench:
http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r24/Gatorcountry/20130705_185707_zps12ba09c9.jpg
 

tell us about that room door.






 


Custom Sturdy Safe Vault Door - http://www.sturdysafe.com/products/vault-door












 
Link Posted: 1/26/2014 10:00:48 AM EDT
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You will inevitably want it larger than 5x22, go to 6 or 9'.

Do the grouted cinder block wall then grab one of these doors:

http://www.pentagonsafes.com/vault-doors.html

i really want one of the "Tankhead blast doors"  you fill them with concrete after install.



edit:link and pictures
Link Posted: 1/26/2014 10:12:41 AM EDT
Even if this room is not designated as a bedroom, it may still require two exits.  Many municipalities require the egress to be within 'X' distance of any point in the room, and 20 feet is a pretty common maximum distance.  Your home owners insurance company may have similar concerns.
Link Posted: 1/26/2014 10:17:09 AM EDT
Unless you have specifically listed your guns and scheduled them with your insurer you may not be covered as well as you think!   I agree the 6' dimension is a little tight.  I have a space in my basement like that and I looked at doing what you are considering for a while and gave up.  Make a room you can go into and be comfortable in.  I must be getting claustrophobic because I don't really enjoy being in the limited space I have for my room when the door is closed.  Bigger is better IMO.
Link Posted: 1/26/2014 10:24:45 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Gatorcountry:
I just finished a room in my basement similar to the dimensions you posted.  Mine ended up being 6.4' x 22'.  Excluding the safe door, the cost to build the room was easily under 3K.

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r24/Gatorcountry/start-35_zps892aa302.jpg

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r24/Gatorcountry/start-36_zps71eb32d4.jpg

I also built a solid oak reloading bench:

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r24/Gatorcountry/20130705_185707_zps12ba09c9.jpg


 
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Nice job on the table, how did you do the BFL?
Link Posted: 1/26/2014 10:28:16 AM EDT

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Even if this room is not designated as a bedroom, it may still require two exits.  Many municipalities require the egress to be within 'X' distance of any point in the room, and 20 feet is a pretty common maximum distance.  Your home owners insurance company may have similar concerns.
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Even if this room is not designated as a bedroom, it may still require two exits.  Many municipalities require the egress to be within 'X' distance of any point in the room, and 20 feet is a pretty common maximum distance.  Your home owners insurance company may have similar concerns.
Code or not, I wouldn't do it myself without exits placed far apart -- preferable at each end.  That would suck balls to lose access for any reason even if you're on the outside.



       
Originally Posted By Gatorcountry:


I just finished a room in my basement similar to the dimensions you
posted.  Mine ended up being 6.4' x 22'.  Excluding the safe door, the
cost to build the room was easily under 3K.











I also built a solid oak reloading bench:




 
Damn.  +87 internets for you!



 
Link Posted: 1/26/2014 10:34:01 AM EDT
If your trying to do it on a budget ( aka cheap ), build a false wall with metal grating behind it. They have a decent selection from home improvement stores. Personally I'd start at 9' x 22'  Later on if your happy with the size you can block the wall up.
Link Posted: 1/26/2014 10:47:20 AM EDT


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If your trying to do it on a budget ( aka cheap ), build a false wall with metal grating behind it. They have a decent selection from home improvement stores. Personally I'd start at 9' x 22'  Later on if your happy with the size you can block the wall up.
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The guy I contracted to install the security system for our office builds bank vaults too.  He said he has built private safe rooms with a layer of expanded metal against plywood against filled cinder block that he says can be harder to breach than some bank vault walls.  The idea is that whatever method you use to break through gets fouled by one or more of the layers.  There are several variations (like plywood + exp metal + plywood between 6" solid block walls, etc.).





Something else to consider is whether your basement floor can support the weight of a block wall.  It may only be 2 - 3" thick and/or low psi concrete.




 
 
Link Posted: 1/26/2014 10:48:57 AM EDT
I installed a 600lb Browning vault door that looks like a 6 panel colonial door as the entrance to my gun room, Stealth is always good. I mounted the front half of a medico hs dead bolt to the outside of the door as a decoy, I figure thieves will waste time trying to crack it.
Think about a total layered security package for your home, good entrance doors with good locks & reinforced frames. Solid locked steel framed fire door as entrance to basement, bars on the basement windows, everything alarmed & monitored. The best gun safe you can afford in the vault room for your really good stuff & don't forget about the ceiling of your vault room!
make  a crooks job as hard & long as possible. Good luck.
Link Posted: 1/26/2014 10:52:29 AM EDT
I am getting ready to do the same thing in my basement. When I get done all 4 walls will be cinderblock and the ceiling will be 3 layers of concrete board screwed to the floor joists. The lights and outlets are already there. I will need to get a dehumidifier. I have not decided on a door yet, but I think to cut down cost I am going to use a steel entry door with a steel jam. I plan on filling the door with concrete, welding in the hinges, and put 3 deadbolts on it.  My room should be 10' x 12' when completed.
Link Posted: 1/26/2014 11:04:47 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Gatorcountry:
I just finished a room in my basement similar to the dimensions you posted.  Mine ended up being 6.4' x 22'.  Excluding the safe door, the cost to build the room was easily under 3K.

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r24/Gatorcountry/start-35_zps892aa302.jpg

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r24/Gatorcountry/start-36_zps71eb32d4.jpg

I also built a solid oak reloading bench:

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r24/Gatorcountry/20130705_185707_zps12ba09c9.jpg

 
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Yea that's sweet. What did you do for the walls?
Link Posted: 1/26/2014 11:13:57 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By BlammO:
The guy I contracted to install the security system for our office builds bank vaults too.  He said he has built private safe rooms with a layer of expanded metal against plywood against filled cinder block that he says can be harder to breach than some bank vault walls.  The idea is that whatever method you use to break through gets fouled by one or more of the layers.  There are several variations (like plywood + exp metal + plywood between 6" solid block walls, etc.).

Something else to consider is whether your basement floor can support the weight of a block wall.  It may only be 2 - 3" thick and/or low psi concrete.
   
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Originally Posted By The_Waabit:
If your trying to do it on a budget ( aka cheap ), build a false wall with metal grating behind it. They have a decent selection from home improvement stores. Personally I'd start at 9' x 22'  Later on if your happy with the size you can block the wall up.
The guy I contracted to install the security system for our office builds bank vaults too.  He said he has built private safe rooms with a layer of expanded metal against plywood against filled cinder block that he says can be harder to breach than some bank vault walls.  The idea is that whatever method you use to break through gets fouled by one or more of the layers.  There are several variations (like plywood + exp metal + plywood between 6" solid block walls, etc.).

Something else to consider is whether your basement floor can support the weight of a block wall.  It may only be 2 - 3" thick and/or low psi concrete.
   


Layers of material that require different tool to breach. The pros can get in, but the crow bar & sledge hammer guys will give up tired.  

Good point on the floor rating, guess 1/2 steel plates are out.
Link Posted: 1/26/2014 11:16:58 AM EDT
uh.....you may want to cut the floor and put in a footing....that block wall will add significant weight/stress to a small area of a 3.5" slab.
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Nice job on the table, how did you do the BFL?
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Originally Posted By Surf:



Originally Posted By Gatorcountry:

I just finished a room in my basement similar to the dimensions you posted.  Mine ended up being 6.4' x 22'.  Excluding the safe door, the cost to build the room was easily under 3K.



http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r24/Gatorcountry/start-35_zps892aa302.jpg



http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r24/Gatorcountry/start-36_zps71eb32d4.jpg



I also built a solid oak reloading bench:



http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r24/Gatorcountry/20130705_185707_zps12ba09c9.jpg





 






Nice job on the table, how did you do the BFL?




 
Two part polymer coating over a BFL -






Link Posted: 1/27/2014 7:23:42 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Mach:
Originally Posted By Gatorcountry:
I just finished a room in my basement similar to the dimensions you posted.  Mine ended up being 6.4' x 22'.  Excluding the safe door, the cost to build the room was easily under 3K.

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r24/Gatorcountry/start-35_zps892aa302.jpg

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r24/Gatorcountry/start-36_zps71eb32d4.jpg

I also built a solid oak reloading bench:

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r24/Gatorcountry/20130705_185707_zps12ba09c9.jpg

 


tell us about that room door.

  Custom Sturdy Safe Vault Door - http://www.sturdysafe.com/products/vault-door

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r24/Gatorcountry/20130328_123708_zps21269773.jpg
 


how did you do the ceiling? Is it block or just the floor above?
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