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Posted: 12/16/2016 12:56:18 AM EST
He's been working for me for about 2 years.  He's been a good employee for the most part.  Does things the way I want them done most of the time.  When he doesn't, I correct the behavior and he get's it done.  Like I said, he's a pretty good worker and I try to treat him as good as possible.  I never make him work overtime and give him any time off that he needs.  Winter is pretty slow and I still pay him his salary plus Christmas bonus.  Spring through fall is a pretty consistent 30-35 hour work week and winter is only about 20 hour weeks.  I still pay him his full salary.

I've known that he's a liberal since the beginning.  I'm not one to discriminate against an employee due to their political beliefs and I try not to bring my political beliefs to the workplace.

He tries to play it off like he's a moderate Democrat but he's pretty left leaning.  Socialism, gun control, Obama worship, etc.  I wouldn't say he's come completely unhinged from the election but he's definitely close.  His political beliefs have never been an issue in the past but he's definitely changed.   

He brought up the topic of Trump on illegal immigration and Syrian refugees.  I told him that those were two separate matters.  I asked him why we should bring in a single refugee without properly vetting them.  I brought up San Bernandino and the OSU incident and said that it would guarantee more of these incidents among many other undesirable events.  His rationale was that since we already have shootings like Columbine and Sandy Hook, it doesn't matter.  

I'm pretty fed up with this shit.




Link Posted: 12/16/2016 12:59:32 AM EST
Why is he talking politics with you instead of working?

Just don't talk politics with each other. Problem solved.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 1:01:10 AM EST


Don't talk politics at work. And I know that because I didn't stop the talk soon enough at my workplace. You don't realize what idiots you work with until it's too late.


Link Posted: 12/16/2016 1:02:09 AM EST
Hopefully you operate in an at will employment state?
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 1:02:26 AM EST
If you don't want to work with him then let him go. Give him a MAGA hat as part of his severance package.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 1:03:20 AM EST
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Originally Posted By ehudbengera:
Why is he talking politics with you instead of working?

Just don't talk politics with each other. Problem solved.
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We work pretty closely most days.  There's often times where we have 15-20mins downtime.  A portion of the work we do can be performed while talking.  

I'll admit, I troll him occasionally which probably feeds into him bringing politics up.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 1:03:51 AM EST
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Originally Posted By KNDAKGEAR:
If you don't want to work with him then let him go. Give him a MAGA hat as part of his severance package. <img src=http://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>
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I like this.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 1:04:30 AM EST
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Originally Posted By oldbutspry:


Don't talk politics at work. And I know that because I didn't stop the talk soon enough at my workplace. You don't realize what idiots you work with until it's too late.
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bingo
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 1:05:13 AM EST
He ever finds this thread...cha ching.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 1:05:20 AM EST
Document his work behavior in a file, keep it up to date.

So far it sounds like he is somewhat farther to the Left than you are, that is not a sin.

Have the file ready to go if he continues his Leftward journey so far that he becomes a liability.

The difference between a liberal and a Leftist is that a Leftist knows no limits.

If he also knows no limits be sure to limit him in a legal manner or you will hear no end of the crying.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 1:05:41 AM EST
Keep politics out of the workplace.  Both of you.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 1:06:12 AM EST
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 1:06:52 AM EST
One of my employees wore this today. Good ones are out there.



Attachment Attached File
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 1:07:34 AM EST
Quit trolling him.

Sounds like you can dish it out, but not take it.

Link Posted: 12/16/2016 1:08:28 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Rugerlvr:
Quit trolling him.

Sounds like you can dish it out, but not take it.
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The Man with the Garand is usually right.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 1:09:26 AM EST
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Originally Posted By CWO:
Keep politics out of the workplace.  Both of you.
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Yep, OP needs to sit him down and state that they should both talk about other things.

Put him on notice and things will be fine.

Chris
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 1:10:09 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Rugerlvr:
Quit trolling him.

Sounds like you can dish it out, but not take it.
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I troll him with logic.  Not politics.  

I can definitely take it.  I don't get emotional.  That is a liberal quality.

The only thing I don't like is that I'm giving money to a nutcase.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 1:10:46 AM EST
Just leave him be.

Everyone's entitled to their own opinion. No need to get angered or flustered by it. My grandpa used to say to never let other peoples' words or beliefs bother you because it's like letting a demon live rent free in your head.
Just ask that everyone not discuss politics at work.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 1:11:38 AM EST
If you don't like him make sure to document his mistakes that are worth getting fired over. Let him make a mistake or two and fire him.

Last time I fired someone it was for an employee yelling at the superintendent on a big paying project. Yes, yelling at superintendents happens everyday but I was tired of his shit and I fired him for it. He was also written up and thrown off the site for the day by the GC that same day. Enough is enough.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 1:11:53 AM EST
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Originally Posted By d_striker:


We work pretty closely most days.  There's often times where we have 15-20mins downtime.  A portion of the work we do can be performed while talking.  

I'll admit, I troll him occasionally which probably feeds into him bringing politics up.
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Originally Posted By d_striker:
Originally Posted By ehudbengera:
Why is he talking politics with you instead of working?

Just don't talk politics with each other. Problem solved.


We work pretty closely most days.  There's often times where we have 15-20mins downtime.  A portion of the work we do can be performed while talking.  

I'll admit, I troll him occasionally which probably feeds into him bringing politics up.


So you're starting shit at work and getting upset with him when he gives you shit back? Did he do anything besides disagree with you? If not, you don't seem to have much to complain about.

Just trying to play devil's advocate with you for a minute.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 1:11:54 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Rugerlvr:
Quit trolling him.

Sounds like you can dish it out, but not take it.
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This. Grow up OP
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 1:14:28 AM EST
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Originally Posted By ehudbengera:


So you're starting shit at work and getting upset with him when he gives you shit back? Did he do anything besides disagree with you? If not, you don't seem to have much to complain about.

Just trying to play devil's advocate with you for a minute.
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That's not really how it plays out.

He will usually bring something political up...I use un-biased logic to give him a different perspective.  

At first I thought he would be someone that might come around.  Since Trump won, he's lost it.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 1:15:52 AM EST
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Originally Posted By d_striker:


I troll him with logic.  Not politics.  

I can definitely take it.  I don't get emotional.  That is a liberal quality.

The only thing I don't like is that I'm giving money to a nutcase.
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"I've had it w/ liberal employee"

Ok. Which of these is it?
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 1:18:01 AM EST
ITT OP wants to fire a quality employee because he doesn't share the same beliefs as OP. What's next OP, gonna fire someone over their religion?
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 1:18:09 AM EST
Take things out of context much?
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 1:18:43 AM EST
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Originally Posted By vand6167:
ITT OP wants to fire a quality employee because he doesn't share the same beliefs as OP. What's next OP, gonna fire someone over their religion?
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Where did I say I was going to fire him?

Link Posted: 12/16/2016 1:20:17 AM EST
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Originally Posted By d_striker:

That's not really how it plays out.

He will usually bring something political up...I use un-biased logic to give him a different perspective.  

At first I thought he would be someone that might come around.  Since Trump won, he's lost it.
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Everyone is biased, op.

You're the boss. You need to decide if you trying to convert him to your worldview is worth inhibiting his productivity as a worker. If I were you, I would tell him that neither of you should talk politics at work anymore. Just my opinion, ymmv and all that.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 1:22:52 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Johnson184:
Just leave him be.

Everyone's entitled to their own opinion. No need to get angered or flustered by it. My grandpa used to say to never let other peoples' words or beliefs bother you because it's like letting a demon live rent free in your head.
Just ask that everyone not discuss politics at work.
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Yep.
Speaking as a non-democrat deep behind enemy lines, this is the best solution.

ETA: typo fix
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 1:26:03 AM EST
"i have an employee that i troll and now i'm pissed that he's reacted to my trolling"

you sound like a great boss 
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 1:26:23 AM EST
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Originally Posted By ehudbengera:


Everyone is biased, op.

You're the boss. You need to decide if you trying to convert him to your worldview is worth inhibiting his productivity as a worker. If I were you, I would tell him that neither of you should talk politics at work anymore. Just my opinion, ymmv and all that.
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Here's an example of un-biased logic.

Employee: "I can't believe Trump is lowering corporate taxes.  Lowering taxes will only decrease tax revenue."

Me: I explain it's not a zero sum scenario like he's suggesting.  I explain basic economic theory behind the Laffer curve in which all economists agree on, regardless of party affiliation.  
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 1:29:12 AM EST
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Originally Posted By sneadhearn:
One of my employees wore this today. Good ones are out there.



https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/333855/MAGA-108571.JPG
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Sweet baby Jesus, I'd be divorced and out of business.

Link Posted: 12/16/2016 1:31:54 AM EST
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Originally Posted By CastorTroy:
"i have an employee that i troll and now i'm pissed that he's reacted to my trolling"

you sound like a great boss <img src=http://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/smiley_noSmile.gif border=0 align=middle>
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Here's an example of my "trolling."

I know he's anti-gun.  For some reason or other he semi-jokingly brought up that he's fine with it all crumbling and going post-apocalyptic.  Said he had enough preps.

I said, "You going to protect all your preps with a sharp stick?"
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 1:32:00 AM EST
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Originally Posted By alphabavo:
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Link Posted: 12/16/2016 2:48:25 AM EST
No need to discuss politics at work. Someone always gets butthurt.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 2:53:35 AM EST
Healthy debate from opposing views is good for you. I disagree with a lot of my coworkers, but I would debate with them about anything and not get butt hurt.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 2:54:53 AM EST
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 3:02:13 AM EST
Fire him and hire me, I need a job. Well talk guns and tits all day long and go shooting on the slow days.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 3:07:10 AM EST
You should definitely poop in his lunch box.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 3:10:13 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Rugerlvr:

"I've had it w/ liberal employee"

Ok. Which of these is it?
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Kinda like, I think I'm pregnant.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 3:23:16 AM EST
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Originally Posted By coltshorty14:
Fire him and hire me, I need a job. Well talk guns and tits all day long and go shooting on the slow days.<img src=http://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/smiley_abused.gif border=0 align=middle>
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You're hired.  I make beer for a living...
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 3:27:38 AM EST
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Originally Posted By d_striker:

You're hired.  I make beer for a living...
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Mmmmm, I feel like Homer Simpson now.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 3:32:41 AM EST
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Originally Posted By ehudbengera:
Why is he talking politics with you instead of working?

Just don't talk politics with each other. Problem solved.
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You may be the boss, but being the boss is a double-edged sword. You could cut the pain of supervising the idiot the less you have to hear he's an idiot.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 3:57:03 AM EST
Be a professional boss and don't browbeat your subordinate with politics.   

Just tell him "look, its best we don't talk about politics anymore."

If he's a good employee, take advantage of that get shit done.   Talk about music, movies, etc.   

Link Posted: 12/16/2016 4:00:41 AM EST
Politics and religion are generally the top two taboo workplace topics for a reason.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 4:07:46 AM EST
You know, I once read a story about a man (we'll call him Joe) who was, at best, an average worker. On a good day. Joe found himself in a cozy management job after several years at the company. He always managed to move up into the spot left by his superior-- for whose job he's groomed himself.

His secret? He'd let headhunters know about the guy whose job he wanted! The guy would get a better job offer, move on and Joe would move into his office.

Joe NEVER let on that he was doing this to ANYone.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 4:12:24 AM EST
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Originally Posted By d_striker:
He's been working for me for about 2 years.  He's been a good employee for the most part.  Does things the way I want them done most of the time.  When he doesn't, I correct the behavior and he get's it done.  Like I said, he's a pretty good worker and I try to treat him as good as possible.  I never make him work overtime and give him any time off that he needs.  Winter is pretty slow and I still pay him his salary plus Christmas bonus.  Spring through fall is a pretty consistent 30-35 hour work week and winter is only about 20 hour weeks.  I still pay him his full salary.

I've known that he's a liberal since the beginning.  I'm not one to discriminate against an employee due to their political beliefs and I try not to bring my political beliefs to the workplace.

He tries to play it off like he's a moderate Democrat but he's pretty left leaning.  Socialism, gun control, Obama worship, etc.  I wouldn't say he's come completely unhinged from the election but he's definitely close.  His political beliefs have never been an issue in the past but he's definitely changed.   

He brought up the topic of Trump on illegal immigration and Syrian refugees.  I told him that those were two separate matters.  I asked him why we should bring in a single refugee without properly vetting them.  I brought up San Bernandino and the OSU incident and said that it would guarantee more of these incidents among many other undesirable events.  His rationale was that since we already have shootings like Columbine and Sandy Hook, it doesn't matter.  

I'm pretty fed up with this shit.
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Unless it's really causing significant problems I don't really see the issue. Especially since even decent help can be hard to find

ETA: looking at your post again I feel like I'm missing something. What exactly is the issue?

You admit to trolling him so it sounds like you're the one causing the issue in the first place?
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 4:19:49 AM EST
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Originally Posted By stevem1a:
Document his work behavior in a file, keep it up to date.

So far it sounds like he is somewhat farther to the Left than you are, that is not a sin.

Have the file ready to go if he continues his Leftward journey so far that he becomes a liability.

The difference between a liberal and a Leftist is that a Leftist knows no limits.

If he also knows no limits be sure to limit him in a legal manner or you will hear no end of the crying.
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OP should also have an employee handbook if he doesn't already

Do's and Dont's / Company policy should be laid out clearly

It's best to use an attorney that specializes in labor law
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 4:23:08 AM EST
Man, fuck all that! That dude's no doubt doing liberal shit with the money you're paying him. Fire his ass and hire the guns and tits guy.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 4:23:46 AM EST
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Originally Posted By d_striker:


Here's an example of un-biased logic.

Employee: "I can't believe Trump is lowering corporate taxes.  Lowering taxes will only decrease tax revenue."

Me: I explain it's not a zero sum scenario like he's suggesting.  I explain basic economic theory behind the Laffer curve in which all economists agree on, regardless of party affiliation.  
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Originally Posted By d_striker:
Originally Posted By ehudbengera:


Everyone is biased, op.

You're the boss. You need to decide if you trying to convert him to your worldview is worth inhibiting his productivity as a worker. If I were you, I would tell him that neither of you should talk politics at work anymore. Just my opinion, ymmv and all that.


Here's an example of un-biased logic.

Employee: "I can't believe Trump is lowering corporate taxes.  Lowering taxes will only decrease tax revenue."

Me: I explain it's not a zero sum scenario like he's suggesting.  I explain basic economic theory behind the Laffer curve in which all economists agree on, regardless of party affiliation.  


*sigh*
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 4:24:47 AM EST
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Sweet baby Jesus, I'd be divorced and out of business.
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Jesus dude, horny much

Looks like a 12 year old girl from what I can see
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 4:50:59 AM EST
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Jesus dude, horny much

Looks like a 12 year old girl from what I can see
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Looks exquisite from what I can see.
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