I'm convinced...the police don't need AR-15's

[ARCHIVED THREAD] - I'm convinced...the police don't need AR-15's (Page 1 of 3)

Posted: 1/20/2006 3:38:24 PM EDT

I just finished reading the cover story in this month's SWAT, which was titled "Patrol Rifles: Alternatives to the AR-15". It convinced me that there are several equally effective weapons out there that police cnuse as partol rifles without having to have an AR-15. The police could easily get by with pump action shotguns, lever action 30-30's and maybe a bolt action deer rifle here and there. Why does a police officer really need to have a semi-automatic killing machine with high capacity magazines when he's on duty?

Posted: 1/20/2006 3:39:33 PM EDT

[#1]

they dont need them. in fact I am in favor of giving them nothing more than recurve bows

Posted: 1/20/2006 3:41:05 PM EDT

[#2]

Quoted:
they dont need them. in fact I am in favor of giving them nothing more than blunt pointy sticks

Posted: 1/20/2006 3:42:20 PM EDT

[#3]

Quoted:
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they dont need them. in fact I am in favor of giving them nothing more than blunt pointy sticks

Posted: 1/20/2006 3:42:59 PM EDT

[#4]

owned

Posted: 1/20/2006 3:44:50 PM EDT

[#5]

The police shouldn't have guns period. Violence only begets more violence. If the police members would just talk to criminals, and explain why they need to spend the next 20 years of their life dodging anal rape in the shower, I'm sure we could reach an accomodation with the criminals. Plus, if police have guns they're more likely to be taken away and used against them, or stolen from their homes and sold on the black market.

Posted: 1/20/2006 3:47:01 PM EDT

[#6]

Uhm...I can name a few times a reliable, lightweight, accurate rifle in an intermediate caliber would come in very handy. Any time when dealing with an armed, dangeous assailant. If I knew I was going to a gunfight, I'd take a rifle, and I wouldn't take any substitutes. Rifles are for fighting, and handguns are for fighting your way to a rifle. The shootout in CA at that bank where those two guys were clad in body armor and armed with illegal FA AK's, they were stopped by ar-15 rifles "borrowed" from a gun store. Now, please tell me why a patrol car shouldn't be able to stop someone who is wearing body armor? Shottys and hanguns don't and won't penetrate body armor, rifles will.

Oh, and if you think that AR-15 is a semi-auto killing machine, then you need to find yourself another forum to go about hating on people that risk their lives for you (at least the ones doing a good job...don't discredit them becasue of a few bad ones).

Also, ask yourself, if you knew you were going to be in a gunfight, what would you bring? A cute n cuddly teddy bear to try to make the BG happy, or would you bring the most devistating weapon that you could?

Posted: 1/20/2006 3:47:22 PM EDT

[#7]

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they dont need them. in fact I am in favor of giving them nothing more than blunt pointy sticks

they work better than a gun. just ask rodney king

it's time perps got a good old fashioned ass whoopin before the trial again. this taser shit keeps them from the asswhoopins they deserve.

Posted: 1/20/2006 3:47:24 PM EDT

[#8]

They should only be aloud to have squirt guns full of tabasco sauce!

Posted: 1/20/2006 3:47:32 PM EDT

[#9]

alternatives to AR?

Thugs just need hugs!!

ok maybe a M1A1 308 shortie

Posted: 1/20/2006 3:48:27 PM EDT

[#10]

Quoted:
Uhm...I can name a few times a reliable, lightweight, accurate rifle in an intermediate caliber would come in very handy. Any time when dealing with an armed, dangeous assailant. If I knew I was going to a gunfight, I'd take a rifle, and I wouldn't take any substitutes. Rifles are for fighting, and handguns are for fighting your way to a rifle. The shootout in CA at that bank where those two guys were clad in body armor and armed with illegal FA AK's, they were stopped by ar-15 rifles "borrowed" from a gun store. Now, please tell me why a patrol car shouldn't be able to stop someone who is wearing body armor? Shottys and hanguns don't and won't penetrate body armor, rifles will.

Oh, and if you think that AR-15 is a semi-auto killing machine, then you need to find yourself another forum to go about hating on people that risk their lives for you (at least the ones doing a good job...don't discredit them becasue of a few bad ones).

Also, ask yourself, if you knew you were going to be in a gunfight, what would you bring? A cute n cuddly teddy bear to try to make the BG happy, or would you bring the most devistating weapon that you could?

hook
line
and
sinker

Posted: 1/20/2006 3:49:37 PM EDT

[#11]

They shoot themselves with their own pistols. Imagine what damage they could do with an AUTOMATIC WEAPON. Officer Bill shows up and entire neighborhoods evacuate.

Posted: 1/20/2006 3:49:42 PM EDT

[#12]

Thank God that the police didn't have Ar15's
at the onset of the North Hollywood shootout.
It might have ended right away.

Posted: 1/20/2006 3:51:16 PM EDT

[#13]

Quoted:
Thank God that the police didn't have Ar15's
at the onset of the North Hollywood shootout.
It might have ended right away.

if they had lever action .30-30s or bolt action .30-06 rifles they would have "ended it the right way" just as easily.

Posted: 1/20/2006 3:51:19 PM EDT

[#14]

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Uhm...I can name a few times a reliable, lightweight, accurate rifle in an intermediate caliber would come in very handy. Any time when dealing with an armed, dangeous assailant. If I knew I was going to a gunfight, I'd take a rifle, and I wouldn't take any substitutes. Rifles are for fighting, and handguns are for fighting your way to a rifle. The shootout in CA at that bank where those two guys were clad in body armor and armed with illegal FA AK's, they were stopped by ar-15 rifles "borrowed" from a gun store. Now, please tell me why a patrol car shouldn't be able to stop someone who is wearing body armor? Shottys and hanguns don't and won't penetrate body armor, rifles will.

Oh, and if you think that AR-15 is a semi-auto killing machine, then you need to find yourself another forum to go about hating on people that risk their lives for you (at least the ones doing a good job...don't discredit them becasue of a few bad ones).

Also, ask yourself, if you knew you were going to be in a gunfight, what would you bring? A cute n cuddly teddy bear to try to make the BG happy, or would you bring the most devistating weapon that you could?

hook
line
and
sinker

reel 'em on in.......

Posted: 1/20/2006 3:52:25 PM EDT

[#15]

You could have a stick that was blunt on one end and pointy on the other... aka "a spear."

Posted: 1/20/2006 3:53:44 PM EDT

[#16]

Ban them for the sake of puppies everywhere.

Posted: 1/20/2006 3:53:53 PM EDT

[#17]

Quoted:
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Thank God that the police didn't have Ar15's
at the onset of the North Hollywood shootout.
It might have ended right away.

if they had lever action .30-30s or bolt action .30-06 rifles they would have "ended it the right way" just as easily.

No. Those are too dangerous as well because they can penetrate bulletproof vests. They could mistake Sean Puffy P. Diddly Diddy Combs for a common criminal and shoot right through his body armor with their assault manually operated weapons, therefore depriving us of his lyrical genius.

Posted: 1/20/2006 3:54:38 PM EDT

[#18]

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You could have a stick that was blunt on one end and pointy on the other... aka "a spear."

thats what i meant.... yes thats it

Posted: 1/20/2006 3:54:40 PM EDT

[#19]

Quoted:
Quoted:
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Thank God that the police didn't have Ar15's
at the onset of the North Hollywood shootout.
It might have ended right away.

if they had lever action .30-30s or bolt action .30-06 rifles they would have "ended it the right way" just as easily.

No. Those are too dangerous as well because they can penetrate bulletproof vests. They could mistake Sean Puffy P. Diddly Diddy for a common criminal and shoot right through his body armor with their assault manually operated weapons, therefore depriving us of his lyrical genius.

I wouldnt worry too much, most cops are crappy shots anyway

Posted: 1/20/2006 3:54:50 PM EDT

[#20]

Quoted:

Why does a police officer really need to have a semi-automatic killing machine with high capacity magazines when he's on duty?

DUDE !!!!!!!!!!

Might as well take their high capacity killing machine semi auto pistols too !!!

Posted: 1/20/2006 3:56:28 PM EDT

[#21]

Quoted:
Uhm...I can name a few times a reliable, lightweight, accurate rifle in an intermediate caliber would come in very handy. Any time when dealing with an armed, dangeous assailant. If I knew I was going to a gunfight, I'd take a rifle, and I wouldn't take any substitutes. Rifles are for fighting, and handguns are for fighting your way to a rifle. The shootout in CA at that bank where those two guys were clad in body armor and armed with illegal FA AK's, they were stopped by ar-15 rifles "borrowed" from a gun store. Now, please tell me why a patrol car shouldn't be able to stop someone who is wearing body armor? Shottys and hanguns don't and won't penetrate body armor, rifles will.

Oh, and if you think that AR-15 is a semi-auto killing machine, then you need to find yourself another forum to go about ~~hating on~~ being disrespectful to people that risk their lives for you (at least the ones doing a good job...don't discredit them becasue of a few bad ones).

Also, ask yourself, if you knew you were going to be in a gunfight, what would you bring? A cute n cuddly teddy bear to try to make the BG happy, or would you bring the most devistating weapon that you could?

fixed it for you.

good point, a rifle is superior to a handgun for fighting in general.

Posted: 1/20/2006 3:56:59 PM EDT

[#22]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Thank God that the police didn't have Ar15's
at the onset of the North Hollywood shootout.
It might have ended right away.

if they had lever action .30-30s or bolt action .30-06 rifles they would have "ended it the right way" just as easily.

No. Those are too dangerous as well because they can penetrate bulletproof vests. They could mistake Sean Puffy P. Diddly Diddy for a common criminal and shoot right through his body armor with their assault manually operated weapons, therefore depriving us of his lyrical genius.

I wouldnt worry too much, most cops are crappy shots anyway

But that just means they'll kill innocent bystanders like Snoopy Doggity Dog and Fiddy Cent. I'm especially worried about Snoop, Cops seem to be able to hit dogs.

Posted: 1/20/2006 3:57:22 PM EDT

[#23]

I prefer to throw rocks when I'm on duty. I have a super tactical RBV (rock bearing vest) that's just full of pouches that I can fill with 250 grain BTHP stones. I've really been practicing and I'm down to around 10 MOA at 50 yards!!!!!!

I usually don't even bring a gun to work anymore.

Posted: 1/20/2006 3:57:44 PM EDT

[#24]

those poor doggies

imagine the over penetration

Posted: 1/20/2006 3:59:58 PM EDT

[#25]

Quoted:
those poor doggies
imagine the over penetration

Yep, one shot could theoretically kill both Snoppy Doggity Dog and Nate Dawg. Imagine the pain this would cause Warren G.

Posted: 1/20/2006 4:03:20 PM EDT

[#26]

Quoted:
Uhm...I can name a few times a reliable, lightweight, accurate rifle in an intermediate caliber would come in very handy. Any time when dealing with an armed, dangeous assailant. If I knew I was going to a gunfight, I'd take a rifle, and I wouldn't take any substitutes. Rifles are for fighting, and handguns are for fighting your way to a rifle. The shootout in CA at that bank where those two guys were clad in body armor and armed with illegal FA AK's, they were stopped by ar-15 rifles "borrowed" from a gun store. Now, please tell me why a patrol car shouldn't be able to stop someone who is wearing body armor? Shottys and hanguns don't and won't penetrate body armor, rifles will.

Oh, and if you think that AR-15 is a semi-auto killing machine, then you need to find yourself another forum to go about hating on people that risk their lives for you (at least the ones doing a good job...don't discredit them becasue of a few bad ones).

Also, ask yourself, if you knew you were going to be in a gunfight, what would you bring? A cute n cuddly teddy bear to try to make the BG happy, or would you bring the most devistating weapon that you could?

Posted: 1/20/2006 4:04:43 PM EDT

[#27]

Quoted:
They shoot themselves with their own pistols. Imagine what damage they could do with an AUTOMATIC WEAPON. Officer Bill shows up and entire neighborhoods evacuate.

Like that one video with about fifteen cops firing over a hundred rounds at a motionless vehicle with a drunk inside and hitting everything including themselves and several houses? And not even killing the guy they were shooting at?

Posted: 1/20/2006 4:04:44 PM EDT

[#28]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Thank God that the police didn't have Ar15's
at the onset of the North Hollywood shootout.
It might have ended right away.

if they had lever action .30-30s or bolt action .30-06 rifles they would have "ended it the right way" just as easily.[/quote

This is true.
Going up against FA-armed suspects with
a manually operated firearm is a little too
suicidal for my tastes. And I do recoginze the
ironic twist this thread as assumed.

Posted: 1/20/2006 4:06:32 PM EDT

[#29]

Why do the cops need to be issued AR-15s when they can go rob any gunstore and take what they need at will?

Posted: 1/20/2006 4:06:57 PM EDT

[#30]

Quoted:
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Why does a police officer really need to have a semi-automatic killing machine with high capacity magazines when he's on duty?

DUDE !!!!!!!!!!

Might as well take their high capacity killing machine semi auto pistols too !!!

Now we're makin' some progress here!

Lever action Winchesters and maybe Colt revolvers. That's all that John Wayne ever needed.

Posted: 1/20/2006 4:07:39 PM EDT

[#31]

Read the article too. Happy with my AR. I'm still puzzled how/why people think this way. Never heard of a cop dumping a 30 round mag, never.

edit to add...don't need an AR to be a "killing machine"!

Quoted:
I just finished reading the cover story in this month's SWAT, which was titled "Patrol Rifles: Alternatives to the AR-15". It convinced me that there are several equally effective weapons out there that police cnuse as partol rifles without having to have an AR-15. The police could easily get by with pump action shotguns, lever action 30-30's and maybe a bolt action deer rifle here and there. Why does a police officer really need to have a semi-automatic killing machine with high capacity magazines when he's on duty?

Posted: 1/20/2006 4:14:17 PM EDT

[#32]

Why do cops need cars? What was wrong with horses?

Remember when a dime bag cost a dime, and a meat wagon was actually a WAGON?

Posted: 1/20/2006 4:15:53 PM EDT

[#33]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Thank God that the police didn't have Ar15's
at the onset of the North Hollywood shootout.
It might have ended right away.

if they had lever action .30-30s or bolt action .30-06 rifles they would have "ended it the right way" just as easily.

Yeah cause you can file the sears down on those guns and make them machineguns.

Posted: 1/20/2006 4:17:49 PM EDT

[#34]

I just turned mt car in. Bought myself a shetland pony for vehicle pursuits. Gets much better gas mileage and I don't have to worry about the media hounding me about driving through playgrounds at 237 MPH chasing people who aren't wearing a seatbelt. My throat is kinda sore from making siren noises though, anyone know how to make a pony scream?

Posted: 1/20/2006 4:19:16 PM EDT

[#35]

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I just turned mt car in. Bought myself a shetland pony for vehicle pursuits. Gets much better gas mileage and I don't have to worry about the media hounding me about driving through playgrounds at 237 MPH chasing people who aren't wearing a seatbelt. My throat is kinda sore from making siren noises though, anyone know how to make a pony scream?

get a cat and swing it by its tail, just be sure to get a declawed model

Posted: 1/20/2006 4:24:29 PM EDT

[#36]

Damn!!!! Why didn't I think of that.

I'll be back...I think the humane society is still open

Posted: 1/20/2006 4:27:30 PM EDT

[#37]

Quoted:
Damn!!!! Why didn't I think of that.

I'll be back...I think the humane society is still open

dont you have neighbors? hold someone's dog at spearpoint and make them find a cat

Posted: 1/20/2006 4:29:35 PM EDT

[#38]

Seriously why wouldnt a Storm Carbine work for patrol work?

Same mags as a lot of departments and probably cheaper than a AR.

Would also force beretta to make mag well sleaves for other hand gun's mags...HK, Glock etc

Posted: 1/20/2006 4:30:24 PM EDT

[#39]

Are you joking?!?!?! I'm a JBT for cryin out loud!!!! You think I haven't shot all of the dogs in my neighborhood already?

Posted: 1/20/2006 4:37:20 PM EDT

[#40]

Stop it already!!!!
My gut hurts!!!!

Posted: 1/20/2006 4:40:02 PM EDT

[#41]

Quoted:
Uhm...I can name a few times a reliable, lightweight, accurate rifle in an intermediate caliber would come in very handy. Any time when dealing with an armed, dangeous assailant. If I knew I was going to a gunfight, I'd take a rifle, and I wouldn't take any substitutes. Rifles are for fighting, and handguns are for fighting your way to a rifle. The shootout in CA at that bank where those two guys were clad in body armor and armed with illegal FA AK's, they were stopped by ar-15 rifles "borrowed" from a gun store. Now, please tell me why a patrol car shouldn't be able to stop someone who is wearing body armor? Shottys and hanguns don't and won't penetrate body armor, rifles will.

Oh, and if you think that AR-15 is a semi-auto killing machine, then you need to find yourself another forum to go about hating on people that risk their lives for you (at least the ones doing a good job...don't discredit them becasue of a few bad ones).

Also, ask yourself, if you knew you were going to be in a gunfight, what would you bring? A cute n cuddly teddy bear to try to make the BG happy, or would you bring the most devistating weapon that you could?

You're new here, aren't you?

Posted: 1/20/2006 4:40:15 PM EDT

[#42]

They certainly don't need select-fire though. Seems a lot of regular police officers are getting select-fire M4s, and that's totally ridiculous.

Posted: 1/20/2006 4:42:20 PM EDT

[#43]

Quoted:
The police shouldn't have guns period. Violence only begets more violence. If the police members would just talk to criminals, and explain why they need to spend the next 20 years of their life dodging anal rape in the shower, I'm sure we could reach an accomodation with the criminals. Plus, if police have guns they're more likely to be taken away and used against them, or stolen from their homes and sold on the black market.

LOL

Posted: 1/20/2006 4:47:20 PM EDT

[#44]

Cops don't need AR-15's.
These day's the need AR-10's!!

Posted: 1/20/2006 4:47:33 PM EDT

[#45]

knock it off you guy are KILLING me!!!!

Posted: 1/20/2006 4:52:10 PM EDT

[#46]

THE SARCASM IS THICK. God I hope the poster of this thread was tryin to be sarcastic. "VEST Punchers "are gonna be needed from now on in police work.

Posted: 1/20/2006 4:53:33 PM EDT

[#47]

Quoted:
THE SARCASM IS THICK. God I hope the poster of this thread was tryin to be sarcastic. "VEST Punchers "are gonna be needed from now on in police work.

or maybe cops should just learn to shoot

Posted: 1/20/2006 4:55:26 PM EDT

[#48]

Quoted:
THE SARCASM IS THICK. God I hope the poster of this thread was tryin to be sarcastic. "VEST Punchers "are gonna be needed from now on in police work.

Yes absolutely

Posted: 1/20/2006 5:00:43 PM EDT

[#49]

Quoted:
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THE SARCASM IS THICK. God I hope the poster of this thread was tryin to be sarcastic. "VEST Punchers "are gonna be needed from now on in police work.

or maybe cops should just learn to shoot

Or develop a sense of humor while reading this thread. Sheesh.

Posted: 1/20/2006 5:06:02 PM EDT

[#50]

Quoted:
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THE SARCASM IS THICK. God I hope the poster of this thread was tryin to be sarcastic. "VEST Punchers "are gonna be needed from now on in police work.

or maybe cops should just learn to shoot

Or develop a sense of humor while reading this thread. Sheesh.

[Luke Skywalker] You ask the impossible. [/Luke Skywalker]

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