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Posted: 1/8/2005 10:33:53 AM EDT
to get some computer parts to build a basic desktop.

Any parts/kits you recommend?
Link Posted: 1/8/2005 10:41:29 AM EDT
Look for an Asus or Abit board.  Get on board sound but no on board video (which sucks).  Get the second fastest CPU and a case with at least 420volts.

And always touch metal before you start working on it.

Sgat1r5
Link Posted: 1/8/2005 10:43:03 AM EDT
oh..and get at LEAST four slots for ram and buy at least 1 gig of ram.

Sgat1r5
Link Posted: 1/8/2005 10:43:37 AM EDT

Originally Posted By sgtar15:
Look for an Asus or Abit board.  Get on board sound but no on board video (which sucks).  Get the second fastest CPU and a case with at least 420volts.

And always touch metal before you start working on it.

Sgat1r5




Your "advice" would have been pertinent five years ago, if at all.
Link Posted: 1/8/2005 10:44:31 AM EDT

Originally Posted By sgtar15:
Look for an Asus or Abit board.  Get on board sound but no on board video (which sucks).  Get the second fastest CPU and a case with at least 420volts.

And always touch metal before you start working on it.

Sgat1r5



Jesus. i really hope you meant watts
Link Posted: 1/8/2005 10:44:46 AM EDT
ouch!
Link Posted: 1/8/2005 10:45:13 AM EDT

Originally Posted By gotodengo:

Originally Posted By sgtar15:
Look for an Asus or Abit board.  Get on board sound but no on board video (which sucks).  Get the second fastest CPU and a case with at least 420volts.

And always touch metal before you start working on it.

Sgat1r5



Jesus. i really hope you meant watts




Just another example of Sgtar15 talking out of his ass.
Link Posted: 1/8/2005 10:46:17 AM EDT
Make sure you get a flux capacitor.
Link Posted: 1/8/2005 10:46:38 AM EDT
The best advice I can give you is to buy elsewhere. Fry's is high prices. Look for a local discount computer store in your area. Around here, Central Computer and Pixel USA  (both on the web in addition to their store) has Fry's beat.
Link Posted: 1/8/2005 10:46:48 AM EDT

Originally Posted By MisterFloppy:
Make sure you get a flux capacitor.




And don't forget the dilithium crystals.
Link Posted: 1/8/2005 10:47:55 AM EDT

Originally Posted By stator:
The best advice I can give you is to buy elsewhere. Fry's is high prices. Look for a local discount computer store in your area. Around here, Central Computer and Pixel USA  (both on the web in addition to their store) has Fry's beat.



Yeah I hear ya, but I'm also taking a friend and her 6 yo daughter. So they have to be "entertained"...I'll just look, won't buy anything.
Link Posted: 1/8/2005 10:48:11 AM EDT

Originally Posted By clean_cut:

Originally Posted By gotodengo:

Originally Posted By sgtar15:
Look for an Asus or Abit board.  Get on board sound but no on board video (which sucks).  Get the second fastest CPU and a case with at least 420volts.

And always touch metal before you start working on it.

Sgat1r5



Jesus. i really hope you meant watts




Just another example of Sgtar15 talking out of his ass.



No, that is really his face... he started to shave his butt and walked backwards years ago to improve his looks.
Link Posted: 1/8/2005 10:49:07 AM EDT
You also need a 1.21 gigawatt power supply and a phased plasma monitor in the 40 watt range.
Link Posted: 1/8/2005 10:49:29 AM EDT

Originally Posted By gotodengo:

Originally Posted By sgtar15:
Look for an Asus or Abit board.  Get on board sound but no on board video (which sucks).  Get the second fastest CPU and a case with at least 420volts.

And always touch metal before you start working on it.

Sgat1r5



Jesus. i really hope you meant watts



Opps...yeah Watts....sorry, I was still thinking about my series/parralel question.

And C_c, I have built many computers and gave you sound advice.  If you don't want it then dont take it

SGatr15
Link Posted: 1/8/2005 10:50:24 AM EDT

Originally Posted By sgtar15:

Originally Posted By gotodengo:

Originally Posted By sgtar15:
Look for an Asus or Abit board.  Get on board sound but no on board video (which sucks).  Get the second fastest CPU and a case with at least 420volts.

And always touch metal before you start working on it.

Sgat1r5



Jesus. i really hope you meant watts



Opps...yeah Watts....sorry, I was still thinking about my series/parralel question.

And C_c, I have built many computers and gave you sound advice.  If you don't want it then dont take it

SGatr15




You're a regular Michael Dell, aren't you?
Link Posted: 1/8/2005 10:51:35 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/8/2005 10:53:11 AM EDT by sgtar15]
Edited because I desided the poster wasn't worth it.

SGatr15
Link Posted: 1/8/2005 10:52:24 AM EDT

Originally Posted By clean_cut:

Originally Posted By sgtar15:

Originally Posted By gotodengo:

Originally Posted By sgtar15:
Look for an Asus or Abit board.  Get on board sound but no on board video (which sucks).  Get the second fastest CPU and a case with at least 420volts.

And always touch metal before you start working on it.

Sgat1r5



Jesus. i really hope you meant watts



Opps...yeah Watts....sorry, I was still thinking about my series/parralel question.

And C_c, I have built many computers and gave you sound advice.  If you don't want it then dont take it

SGatr15




You're a regular Michael Dell, aren't you?



Okay...I guess you don't want my help.

Fine by me.

Sgat1r5
Link Posted: 1/8/2005 10:53:04 AM EDT
Sgtar15, you're just too ready with advice that makes you sound knowledgable, but anyone who really knows the subject will only see it as bullshit.
Link Posted: 1/8/2005 10:53:34 AM EDT
What do you intend mostly to with your machine? Games, videos? Play back DVDs with Dolby Surround Sound? Re-calc huge spreadsheets?

My feeling is that he video board is the most important part of the computer, rather the CPU. I would get the best video board that you can afford.

Get a 250GB HD, they are really cheap if you find it on sale. Or get the largest capacity that is on sale. No problems to add a 2nd drive later. I've had no problems with Western Digital drives.

I would get a 32-bit AMD CPU, but most people got 64-bit, but there is limited software support so personally I can't spending the extra money. And get a quieter CPU fan, the factory one, is real noisy.

A dual layer DVD-RW drive. Get a Sony. Even though dual-layer media is super expensive, I think the newer drives have mechanical and electronic improvements over the older single layer drive.
Link Posted: 1/8/2005 10:54:29 AM EDT
I just want to build a basic desktop for surfing the net while my laptop is sent in for repairs.
Link Posted: 1/8/2005 10:56:51 AM EDT

Originally Posted By clean_cut:
Sgtar15, you're just too ready with advice that makes you sound knowledgable, but anyone who really knows the subject will only see it as bullshit.



Okay...what did I say that was BS?

This is what I built.

An Abit board, P4chip, 5 channle sound with ATI 128DDR ram card. 240g Maxtor HDD, 1 gig ram (I THINK 400 bus), and a Thermaltake case with 8 fans and 420watts supply.

This system freaking FLIES and it is over a year old.

Sgatr15
Link Posted: 1/8/2005 10:57:11 AM EDT

Originally Posted By clean_cut:
Sgtar15, you're just too ready with advice that makes you sound knowledgable, but anyone who really knows the subject will only see it as bullshit.



Well if your just so fuckin smart why are you asking for advice?


Link Posted: 1/8/2005 10:57:42 AM EDT

Originally Posted By clean_cut:
I just want to build a basic desktop for surfing the net while my laptop is sent in for repairs.



Then you are better off just buying a cheap Dell or HP.

SGatr15

Link Posted: 1/8/2005 10:59:53 AM EDT

Originally Posted By sgtar15:

Originally Posted By clean_cut:
I just want to build a basic desktop for surfing the net while my laptop is sent in for repairs.



Then you are better off just buying a cheap Dell or HP.

SGatr15





True, but I like the process of putting one together.
Link Posted: 1/8/2005 11:05:01 AM EDT
Link Posted: 1/8/2005 11:05:54 AM EDT
Link Posted: 1/8/2005 11:07:49 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Paul:

Originally Posted By clean_cut:
I just want to build a basic desktop for surfing the net while my laptop is sent in for repairs.



Oh don't be silly, we're going to all recommend computers without even knowing which OS you want to run or what you're going to do with your computer. If you only want to surf the net get the cheapest computer you can find - a Pentium I 66 Mhz will work if you could find one but you'll have to settle for one runing a bit faster than a gig, toss a few megabytes for RAM - figure 64 Mb is fine if you can find chips that small, the smallest hard drive still made - say 40 Gb, burn yourself a live distro of Linux - say Knoppix, boot that thing up and you'll be 70-80% as fast as a computer that cost 5 times as much running buggy and bloated Windows XP and not have to worry about anti-virus, spyware, pop-ups, or trojans.




Unlike a lot of people here, I am not really into computers. I wouldn't spend precious gun money on high-end computer parts.

Sure, a used PC would be cheapest like Sgtar15 said, but I just want to put one together.

Link Posted: 1/8/2005 11:16:42 AM EDT
Go here and learn

www.pcmech.com

SGat1r5
Link Posted: 1/8/2005 11:28:06 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/8/2005 11:29:08 AM EDT by madman_kirk]
Link Posted: 1/8/2005 11:29:29 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/8/2005 11:55:31 AM EDT by warlord]

Originally Posted By clean_cut:
Unlike a lot of people here, I am not really into computers. I wouldn't spend precious gun money on high-end computer parts.

Sure, a used PC would be cheapest like Sgtar15 said, but I just want to put one together.


If you just want a machine to surf the net, I would just get pre-packaged one from Dell, etc, and all you have to do is load on your spy software and you're off and running. And just use the on-board video and sound facilities. They aren't the greatest in the world, but it will do, ie if you're not playing CPU/graphics intensive games.
Link Posted: 1/8/2005 11:45:43 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/8/2005 11:48:03 AM EDT by sharky30]
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edit: need to sopt posting as I read and read the whole thread first
Link Posted: 1/8/2005 6:37:43 PM EDT

Originally Posted By sgtar15:
Go here and learn

www.pcmech.com

SGat1r5




Sgtar15, there is nothing you can teach me. Stop fooling yourself. Why don't you take stock of your own life instead of trying to give worthless advice.

Trust me, I am smarter than you can ever hope to be.
Link Posted: 1/8/2005 6:50:39 PM EDT

Originally Posted By clean_cut:
Sgtar15, you're just too ready with advice that makes you sound knowledgable, but anyone who really knows the subject will only see it as bullshit.



If you know so much about PCs, then why did you post the question?
Link Posted: 1/8/2005 7:58:36 PM EDT

Originally Posted By clean_cut:

Originally Posted By sgtar15:
Go here and learn

www.pcmech.com

SGat1r5




Sgtar15, there is nothing you can teach me. Stop fooling yourself. Why don't you take stock of your own life instead of trying to give worthless advice.

Trust me, I am smarter than you can ever hope to be.




"C" students run the world managing smart "A" students.



Sgatr15
Link Posted: 1/8/2005 8:05:09 PM EDT

Originally Posted By clean_cut:

Originally Posted By sgtar15:
Go here and learn

www.pcmech.com

SGat1r5




Sgtar15, there is nothing you can teach me. Stop fooling yourself. Why don't you take stock of your own life instead of trying to give worthless advice.

Trust me, I am smarter than you can ever hope to be.



You lost that last argument the moment you mentioned even going into a neighborhood with Fry's let alone going into one..

You keep sounding more and more like the average Texan.  All buckle and nothing beneath it.
Link Posted: 1/8/2005 8:08:40 PM EDT

Originally Posted By PaDanby:

Originally Posted By clean_cut:

Originally Posted By sgtar15:
Go here and learn

www.pcmech.com

SGat1r5




Sgtar15, there is nothing you can teach me. Stop fooling yourself. Why don't you take stock of your own life instead of trying to give worthless advice.

Trust me, I am smarter than you can ever hope to be.



You lost that last argument the moment you mentioned even going into a neighborhood with Fry's let alone going into one..

You keep sounding more and more like the average Texan.  All buckle and nothing beneath it.




With all due respect PaDanby, I have met Texans, I know Texans....Clean_Cut is NO Texans.
But he is PERFECT for Austin however.

SGatr15
Link Posted: 1/8/2005 8:26:44 PM EDT

Originally Posted By sgtar15:

Originally Posted By PaDanby:

Originally Posted By clean_cut:

Originally Posted By sgtar15:
Go here and learn

www.pcmech.com

SGat1r5




Sgtar15, there is nothing you can teach me. Stop fooling yourself. Why don't you take stock of your own life instead of trying to give worthless advice.

Trust me, I am smarter than you can ever hope to be.



You lost that last argument the moment you mentioned even going into a neighborhood with Fry's let alone going into one..

You keep sounding more and more like the average Texan.  All buckle and nothing beneath it.




With all due respect PaDanby, I have met Texans, I know Texans....Clean_Cut is NO Texans.
But he is PERFECT for Austin however.

SGatr15




Hey, wait a minute... not everyone in Austin is a assclown geek!   There are a lot of posers here in town giving the rest of us multi-generation Texans a bad rap.  But, I'll admit, it applies more often that I would like nowdays.      
Link Posted: 1/8/2005 8:57:39 PM EDT
WHAT THE FUCK !

Clean_Cut your talking out your ass.

Sarge isnt.


NO ONE CARES ABOUT YOU WANTING TO BUILD A COMPUTER, NO ONE CARES ABOUT WHAT GUNS YOU HAVE, NO ONE CARES YOUR "BOSSES" DAUGHTER IS HOT, NO ONE CARES ABOUT ANYTHING YOU SAY.  SO GO HOME AND DO US A FAVOR AND STFU.
Link Posted: 1/9/2005 12:39:10 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/9/2005 12:45:42 AM EDT by clean_cut]

Originally Posted By Citabria7GCBC:
WHAT THE FUCK !

Clean_Cut your talking out your ass.

Sarge isnt.


NO ONE CARES ABOUT YOU WANTING TO BUILD A COMPUTER, NO ONE CARES ABOUT WHAT GUNS YOU HAVE, NO ONE CARES YOUR "BOSSES" DAUGHTER IS HOT, NO ONE CARES ABOUT ANYTHING YOU SAY.  SO GO HOME AND DO US A FAVOR AND STFU.




Citabria, since you admire Sgtar15 so much, I hope you will be just like him someday. I'm sure you want to be...spending his days and nights posting on Arfcom, making little doll movies in hopes of entertaining some anonymous internet poster, asking if he is sexy or not...yes I get the feeling you are another Sgtar15 in the making, getting only "respect" through the internet. Hell, you are probably already there.

You're just another example of a poster who takes the internet too seriously, and believes whatever he reads on the net. My God, and I throught your parents raised you right. They must be so disappointed.

You're just a pathetic youngster riding on the heels of the "popular" posters, but I remember how you got your ass handed to you on Full-Auto.com for posting a thread asking (like a little puppy)for more porn.


As for Sgtar15's "advice" which I quote here:


Look for an Asus or Abit board. Get on board sound but no on board video (which sucks). Get the second fastest CPU and a case with at least 420volts.

And always touch metal before you start working on it.




Okay, let's take a look at what he said. He recommends Asus or Abit motherboards. They are not the only motherboards in town. Did he say why they are better than the others? (Does he even know)?

You'd be hard-pressed to get a new motherboard nowadays without onboard sound and video, and the onboard video have gotten better over the years. Certainly good enough for what I need the computer to do - which is internet and some basic Office apps. If I wanted a serious gaming or video editing computer, then a separate graphics card would be needed, but I didn't say that did I?

And does Sgtar15 even know which type of graphics card to get: PCI, AGP, or PCI-E?

And what the hell is "second fastest CPU"? Does he mean AMD Sempron, Athlon 64, Athlon XP, Intel P4, Intel XEON, etc. etc.

Sgtar15 talks in vague generalities that smack of ignorance of the subject (or regurgitating second-hand hearsay with no direct experience), and by you defending him, YOU smack of the same ignorance. So, how about this: YOU STFU.






Link Posted: 1/9/2005 12:51:24 AM EDT
If Windows is screwing up, you can always reverse the polarity and create a reverse tachyon pulse field subspace window.

Or in other words, Fry's has some good deals...as long as it's in the ad.  Most everything else is overpriced and the ECS motherboards may not be speed demons, but they do well...as long as you don't mind swapping out a few of them until you find a good one. :)

Link Posted: 1/9/2005 12:56:12 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/9/2005 12:59:01 AM EDT by leelaw]

Originally Posted By clean_cut:
Sgtar15, you're just too ready with advice that makes you sound knowledgable, but anyone who really knows the subject will only see it as bullshit.



STFU and pay attention. He's not talking out of his ass and the advice is sound, aside from the volts/watts part.

Would you prefer if we talk stupid for you? OK... "Buy a Mac." Happy?
Link Posted: 1/9/2005 1:02:50 AM EDT

Originally Posted By leelaw:

Originally Posted By clean_cut:
Sgtar15, you're just too ready with advice that makes you sound knowledgable, but anyone who really knows the subject will only see it as bullshit.



STFU and pay attention. He's not talking out of his ass and the advice is sound, aside from the volts/watts part.

Would you prefer if we talk stupid for you? OK... "Buy a Mac." Happy?




Instead of taking the easy route on the internet and post something like, yeah he's right.

Why don't YOU tell me what I should get and what I should avoid, and I will decide if you are full of bullshit or not.

Link Posted: 1/9/2005 1:03:12 AM EDT
When buying the parts, make sure the parts are new and not used/returned.  Frys out here is famous for having a huge stack of used crap on sale.  There's usually a little sticker on the box, otherwise you'll not notice until you open it up and it's missing cables or documentation.  Evidently Frys has a really good shrink wrap machine .

Also, if all they have is a big pile of the used/returned crap, look around and you might find it stored away up in the racks.  To get something down from up high on the racks, I recommend an antennea from the cd/radio section.



Link Posted: 1/9/2005 1:06:05 AM EDT
sarges advice is good.
Link Posted: 1/9/2005 1:06:40 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Stealth:
When buying the parts, make sure the parts are new and not used/returned.  Frys out here is famous for having a huge stack of used crap on sale.  There's usually a little sticker on the box, otherwise you'll not notice until you open it up and it's missing cables or documentation.  Evidently Frys has a really good shrink wrap machine .

Also, if all they have is a big pile of the used/returned crap, look around and you might find it stored away up in the racks.  To get something down from up high on the racks, I recommend an antennea from the cd/radio section.







When I was at Fry's, I saw the boxes of stuff that had been returned, and unless you are half-blind, it's not hard to see the big sticker on them saying RETURNED. Fry's is no different from any other store that sells returned item. They mark it as such, and discount the price. You buy at your own risk.

Yeah, you really made it sound like they're trying to pull a fast one on the customer...
Link Posted: 1/9/2005 1:07:27 AM EDT

Originally Posted By gaspain:
sarges advice is good.




He hardly said anything!
Link Posted: 1/9/2005 1:08:34 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/9/2005 1:10:52 AM EDT by leelaw]

Originally Posted By clean_cut:

Originally Posted By leelaw:

Originally Posted By clean_cut:
Sgtar15, you're just too ready with advice that makes you sound knowledgable, but anyone who really knows the subject will only see it as bullshit.



STFU and pay attention. He's not talking out of his ass and the advice is sound, aside from the volts/watts part.

Would you prefer if we talk stupid for you? OK... "Buy a Mac." Happy?




Instead of taking the easy route on the internet and post something like, yeah he's right.

Why don't YOU tell me what I should get and what I should avoid, and I will decide if you are full of bullshit or not.




Coming from someone who has ignored sound advice on this very thread already, while also admitting that they don't know much about computers anyways, strikes me as hilarious.

Why don't you research the answers on your own before you call BS just because a poster you don't like gave you advice. Don't be so fast to call bullshit on a topic you admit you don't know much about.

Are you looking for someone to tell you "go to aisle three, pick up the box that says 'Abit AN7' on it, then go to aisle two and pick up 1GB of PC3000 DDR RAM and an AMD 3000+ processor and some cables, and then go to...?" If so (which is what it appears to be) you shouldn't knock ANY realistic suggestions in this thread.

Either you're starving for attention, you're not really looking for help, or some other option probably involving stupidity.

Link Posted: 1/9/2005 1:09:07 AM EDT
c_c,
Asus and Abit mobos are among the best quality boards one can get.
Stay away from VIA and SiS chipsets.
Link Posted: 1/9/2005 1:13:49 AM EDT

Originally Posted By leelaw:

Originally Posted By clean_cut:

Originally Posted By leelaw:

Originally Posted By clean_cut:
Sgtar15, you're just too ready with advice that makes you sound knowledgable, but anyone who really knows the subject will only see it as bullshit.



STFU and pay attention. He's not talking out of his ass and the advice is sound, aside from the volts/watts part.

Would you prefer if we talk stupid for you? OK... "Buy a Mac." Happy?




Instead of taking the easy route on the internet and post something like, yeah he's right.

Why don't YOU tell me what I should get and what I should avoid, and I will decide if you are full of bullshit or not.




Coming from someone who has ignored sound advice on this very thread already, while also admitting that they don't know much about computers anyways, strikes me as hilarious.

Why don't you research the answers on your own before you call BS just because a poster you don't like gave you advice. Don't be so fast to call bullshit on a topic you admit you don't know much about.

Are you looking for someone to tell you "go to aisle three, pick up the box that says 'Abit AN7' on it, then go to aisle three and pick up 1GB of PC3000 DDR RAM and an AMD 3000+ processor and some cables, and then go to...?" If so (which is what it appears to be) you shouldn't knock ANY realistic suggestions in this thread.

Either you're starving for attention, you're not really looking for help, or some other option probably involving stupidity.





I said I'm not really into computers, not that I don't know anything about them. I don't want to spend my money buying top-end parts even though I know which stuff has good specs or not. I asked because I wondered if someone could steer me toward a good budget group of parts, which I would have researched as part of the next step. But apparently that is a futile quest here.

As for taking advice on Arfcom, you have GOT to be fucking kidding me.

Bunch of drunk, armchair commandos...yeah right. Still, I was hoping there would be some sound advice among the chaff.
Link Posted: 1/9/2005 1:14:47 AM EDT

Originally Posted By clean_cut:

Originally Posted By Stealth:
When buying the parts, make sure the parts are new and not used/returned.  Frys out here is famous for having a huge stack of used crap on sale.  There's usually a little sticker on the box, otherwise you'll not notice until you open it up and it's missing cables or documentation.  Evidently Frys has a really good shrink wrap machine .

Also, if all they have is a big pile of the used/returned crap, look around and you might find it stored away up in the racks.  To get something down from up high on the racks, I recommend an antennea from the cd/radio section.







When I was at Fry's, I saw the boxes of stuff that had been returned, and unless you are half-blind, it's not hard to see the big sticker on them saying RETURNED. Fry's is no different from any other store that sells returned item. They mark it as such, and discount the price. You buy at your own risk.

Yeah, you really made it sound like they're trying to pull a fast one on the customer...



I am just giving you a heads up.  Out here they didn't give any other discount than the sale price marked in the paper.  Also the salesman claimed the 'those' were all they had of a specific motherboard that was on sale.  I found more on the rack (wayyyy up on the rack).

If it was deliberate or not, I cannot say.  I will however be careful of what I buy there and make certain that I'm not being taken advantage of.


Link Posted: 1/9/2005 1:16:31 AM EDT

Originally Posted By ARDunstan:
c_c,
Asus and Abit mobos are among the best quality boards one can get.
Stay away from VIA and SiS chipsets.




Hey, I'm not saying Asus and Abit aren't quality, but for Sgtar15 to recommend them is like someone who's not a car enthusiast to recommend Toyota or Honda for reliability.
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