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Posted: 9/7/2005 7:46:10 PM EDT
Tonight I had a bit of an altercation with someone who I had thought was a friend. He's former Army, and I thought a fairly conservative guy. He's very witty, intelligent, and fairly soft spoken. You have to listen for the jokes, but he's the kind of guy who's in the corner ripping one right after another.

So I was engaging in conversation with him and a couple of other people regarding the $2K shopping spree that the Katrina victims and all of a sudden he rips off loudly with this, "You are so uberconservative that anyone who voices any opposition to your idiotic viewpoints is immediately branded a socialist." And then he marches off in a huff.

Later he comes back by and starts in on my 'simian leader' and I wouldn't need to print Vote From The Rooftop t-shirts if my handpicked crowned emporer wasn't such a clusterfuck.

Oh well... I guess I've been crossed off his Happy Holidays card list (since Christmas is insensitive to non-Christians).

Anyone ever get blindsided like that before?
Link Posted: 9/7/2005 7:49:48 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/7/2005 7:50:32 PM EDT
I live near Seattle. I've learned to dislike most people. It goes on and on.
Link Posted: 9/7/2005 7:52:03 PM EDT
I live IN seattle, and have learned the same thing.

Link Posted: 9/7/2005 7:54:23 PM EDT

Originally Posted By patchouli:
I live IN seattle, and have learned the same thing.




I visited Seattle, and decided it was off my list of places to ever visit again.
Link Posted: 9/7/2005 7:54:46 PM EDT
Draw down on him the next time.
Link Posted: 9/7/2005 7:55:12 PM EDT
I think the funniest was when he finally ended the whole conversation, he blurts out, "I suppose Jesus would be real proud of you."

WTH is that supposed to mean?

I guess that if you don't subscribe to their perpetual gray area moral relativism where nothing is concrete, good is bad and bad is good upside down world, you must be some sort of freak.

I just never guessed this guy to be so leftist. Former military, brother is a cop, etc... Sure caught me off guard.
Link Posted: 9/7/2005 7:57:00 PM EDT

Originally Posted By EricTheHun:
I truly don't have any liberal friends, closet or otherwise.

I despise their attitudes and their positions.

If I ever find them agreeing with anything that I've said, I immediately reevaluate my position.

In a word, they suck.

Eric The(BluntAndIrascible)Hun



What he said.

I'd rather go to the range and drink beer afterwards with a friend, not look at some "modern anguish art" and blame Bush on all the worlds problems over a glass of Starbucks coffee.
Link Posted: 9/7/2005 7:58:23 PM EDT
I live in Utah, I heard we have a liberal here somewhere but I think he's in hiding.


I have been blindsided in other situations though and it's always disconcerting. Sad as it might seem, the ones who've blindsided me are no longer my friends. it's not that I cut them off, it's that I realized that they are really really stupid and I can't stand them for too long after that.
Link Posted: 9/7/2005 8:01:00 PM EDT
Truth hurts. The expolision of rambling crap from him is the only way he could even come close to winning an arguement, thus the rapid fire crap spewing followed by a quick retreat, with a follow up insult later on.

Usually by the time they explode them like that they are on the fence and are having a knee jerk reaction lthat causes them to spew lib mantras like a brainwashed cult member being deprogrammed starts spewing "burning in my bosom" or some crap like that.
Link Posted: 9/7/2005 8:01:02 PM EDT
Actually I get it from both sides....got told just this weekend that I won't need a CC pistol if I hadn't voted for Bush by one person and then told by a guy at the gunshop that "people like me are the reason the country is going to hell"
Link Posted: 9/7/2005 8:01:13 PM EDT
Best to stay out of closets. People might talk.
Link Posted: 9/7/2005 8:01:17 PM EDT

Originally Posted By BenDover:
I think the funniest was when he finally ended the whole conversation, he blurts out, "I suppose Jesus would be real proud of you."

WTH is that supposed to mean?

I guess that if you don't subscribe to their perpetual gray area moral relativism where nothing is concrete, good is bad and bad is good upside down world, you must be some sort of freak.

I just never guessed this guy to be so leftist. Former military, brother is a cop, etc... Sure caught me off guard.



Damn it seems like he covered all the talking points, no doubt at this point he's a bleeding liberal.

Maybe you should try to be his friend but not as close. Who cares if he's a liberal, try to work it out with him and have discussions about politics without getting mad at one another. If he was a freind before, why not give it a try?

When you think about it, it's the only way to try to make someone see your side, when you can talk about it in a respectful way even if it's all a front.

Then again, if you have better things to do with you time, fug it.
Link Posted: 9/7/2005 8:03:53 PM EDT
I found out my uncle was a closet democrat during the election. He hid it very well for decades apparently, grandpa and my mother never caught on. Oh well, he's a hunter and looks at my rifles a little funny
Link Posted: 9/7/2005 8:05:23 PM EDT
Send that SOB a WHOLE BOX of Christmas Cards... Just to piss him off.
Link Posted: 9/7/2005 8:06:32 PM EDT
I was taught that you shouldn't talk politics or religion. My friends know that if they start, it's "game on." Make them feel stupid one time, it never comes up again.
Link Posted: 9/7/2005 8:06:50 PM EDT
There is so much leftist propoganda out there. No matter what happens, we hear that it's "Bush's" fault. Much of the media doesn't even bother to use the title of "President". Every victim around the globe is somehow a victim of President Bush to them. The left doesn't even pretend to cover their hatred.

With all that crap being spewed out of every newspaper and tv, it'd be hard for anyone to not consider President Bush an evil moron / evil genious hell bent on destroying the world, the United States, and every black person in the city of New Orleans.

I don't even blame the idiots out there any more.
Link Posted: 9/7/2005 8:08:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/7/2005 8:11:29 PM EDT by mobius]
did it ever occur to you that maybe he just got sick and tired of your right wing kool-aid rantings, and had enough of it? if you didn't know about his politics it's maybe he never pushed it on anyone, and kept it to himself........but just from your post here, you probably are the type of person that only spews far right kool-aid rantings, but also push your religion on everybody, even though they never asked to hear it or want to hear..........the problem is that the far right wing kool-aid drinking wackos, can be just as as obnoxious as the far left wing kool-aid drinking wackos
Link Posted: 9/7/2005 8:11:08 PM EDT
Political stance is no way to choose a friend, there are lots of good people who don't share your opinion in political matters.

I personally have friends from all ranges of the spectrum, and if you can't stomach political differences you might as well go live in a hippie/gun nut commune depending on your stance and close your eyes to the rest of the world. I think most people would prefer to table politics in most cases... I learned as soon as I started having my own political opinions that you should wait for when its appropriate to start yapping away about political topics. Sure pissed off my english teacher in high school when she asked me to make a setence with 5 vocab words we were learning, and I spouted off something about buying guns.... this was in a pre-columbine era BTW
Link Posted: 9/7/2005 8:15:49 PM EDT

Originally Posted By mobius:
did it ever occur to you that maybe he just got sick and tired of your right wing kool-aid rantings, and had enough of it? if you didn't know about his politics it's maybe he never pushed it on anyone, and kept it to himself........but just from your post here, you probably are the type of person that only spews far right kool-aid rantings, but also push your religion on everybody, even though they never asked to hear it or want to hear..........the problem is that the far right wing kool-aid drinking wackos, can be just as as obnoxious as the far left wing kool-aid drinking wackos



You haven't been around here too long have you mobius.

Maybe some of the other members will acknowledge the angst that I perpetrated upon the staunch republicans during the last election cycle. I was hardly a flag waving GOP diehard... I lean very libertarian on many fronts.

Before I converted to Christianity, I staunchly defended people like Howard Stern on this site. Hardly right wing kool-aid rantings.

And I defy you to find a single post where I push my religion on anyone. Sorry... in fact, I am one to quickly tell other, more-outspoken Christians on here that we call it a PERSONAL relationship with God for a reason.

Who are you again?

Link Posted: 9/7/2005 8:17:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/7/2005 8:19:28 PM EDT by NYPatriot]

Originally Posted By mobius:
Blah, blah, blah, blah...



Oh... did you say something?

I must have missed it if you did.

Now run along and play... the big people are talking.

Link Posted: 9/7/2005 8:18:03 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/7/2005 8:18:31 PM EDT by FN-TPS]
So what finally happened to the strip club Dover?
Link Posted: 9/7/2005 8:18:11 PM EDT

Originally Posted By BenDover:
I think the funniest was when he finally ended the whole conversation, he blurts out, "I suppose Jesus would be real proud of you."

WTH is that supposed to mean?

I guess that if you don't subscribe to their perpetual gray area moral relativism where nothing is concrete, good is bad and bad is good upside down world, you must be some sort of freak.

I just never guessed this guy to be so leftist. Former military, brother is a cop, etc... Sure caught me off guard.



It means you are a evil person... don't you understand evil. You don't agree with him so you are bad, he thinks Jesus would consider you a bad person.

George Bush = Evil
Conservative = Evil

Welcome to the world of dealing with the left.
Link Posted: 9/7/2005 8:19:41 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Da_Bunny:
I live near Seattle. I've learned to dislike most people. It goes on and on.




+1
Link Posted: 9/7/2005 8:20:53 PM EDT
I have quite a few liberal friends (can't help it being a teacher in CA) and I don't mind it at all. Hell, my girlfriend is pretty damn liberal. I enjoy the arguments with them. The election last year was GREAT. Well, they call them arguments, I call them "learning opportunities" for them.

During the election it actually got so bad that in the teacher's meeting notes they put in a page saying that I was no longer allowed to discuss politics, guns, abortion, George Bush, politics, or guns. Of course it just made me run at the mouth more.

I mostly love having the abortion debate with them. About ten minutes into it after they make some comment I always say, "OH, I'M THE BAD ONE BECAUSE I THINK KILLING BABIES IS WRONG!" They turn all red after that.
Link Posted: 9/7/2005 8:20:58 PM EDT

Originally Posted By mobius:
did it ever occur to you that maybe he just got sick and tired of your right wing kool-aid rantings, and had enough of it? if you didn't know about his politics it's maybe he never pushed it on anyone, and kept it to himself........but just from your post here, you probably are the type of person that only spews far right kool-aid rantings, but also push your religion on everybody, even though they never asked to hear it or want to hear..........the problem is that the far right wing kool-aid drinking wackos, can be just as left wing kool-aid drinking wackos as obnoxious as the far



A left wing kool-aid drinking wacko?

Like you.

You spend virtually ALL of your time spewing hate.
Link Posted: 9/7/2005 8:22:08 PM EDT
My uncle thinks that Hillary will die to save us from our sins, Nader is a genious and that "not even the police should own guns. I told him that he was full of shit one day, he had nothing intelligent to say. Maybe the fact that I said it while cleaning my AK made him choose his words wisely
Link Posted: 9/7/2005 8:23:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/7/2005 8:24:19 PM EDT by MillerSHO]

Originally Posted By BenDover:

Originally Posted By mobius:
did it ever occur to you that maybe he just got sick and tired of your right wing kool-aid rantings, and had enough of it? if you didn't know about his politics it's maybe he never pushed it on anyone, and kept it to himself........but just from your post here, you probably are the type of person that only spews far right kool-aid rantings, but also push your religion on everybody, even though they never asked to hear it or want to hear..........the problem is that the far right wing kool-aid drinking wackos, can be just as as obnoxious as the far left wing kool-aid drinking wackos



You haven't been around here too long have you mobius.

Maybe some of the other members will acknowledge the angst that I perpetrated upon the staunch republicans during the last election cycle. I was hardly a flag waving GOP diehard... I lean very libertarian on many fronts.

Before I converted to Christianity, I staunchly defended people like Howard Stern on this site. Hardly right wing kool-aid rantings.

And I defy you to find a single post where I push my religion on anyone. Sorry... in fact, I am one to quickly tell other, more-outspoken Christians on here that we call it a PERSONAL relationship with God for a reason.

Who are you again?





Ahhh now we start to get more of the picture.

Let me guess, he knew you when you went through your conversion.

You can feel how you want to feel or believe in what you believe but if you close your mind to the fact that if some didn't agree with the position you are changing into the first place, they're going to have that much harder of a time adjusting to your conversion which is hard for people to get used to anyways.

You can either say FOAD to everyone that is having a hard time with your sudden conversion or you can listen to what I'm saying.

Link Posted: 9/7/2005 8:24:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/7/2005 8:28:31 PM EDT by Andreuha]
Perhaps (just maybe) he was a moderate, and you really ARE "uberconservative"?
I tolerate very conservative folks, but I'm not anywhere near as hard-core as some of the folks on this site. Knowing (or having a good idea) of all the issues first hand, I am fairly liberal socially but a conservative fiscally (proper meanings of liberal-vs-conservative, not modern meanings as hippe/pansy/commie-vs-pussified capitalist).

Moderation and reasoning are (usually) good things

Edit: now that I've read your post, I think he may be a moderate and you may just talk too much about politics (or politicise things, or be biased in an obvious manner).
Link Posted: 9/7/2005 8:26:20 PM EDT

Originally Posted By MissouriBob:
Best to stay out of closets. People might talk.

I thought he meant his friend was a gay liberal, and I was wondering what the fuss was about since gays ARE liberals.
Link Posted: 9/7/2005 8:28:57 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Andreuha:
I am fairly liberal socially but a conservative fiscally (proper meanings of liberal-vs-conservative, not modern meanings as commie-vs-pussified capitalist).




All I can think about when someone says this is "cop-out".

I grow tired of people I work with or for in Portland telling me this it's such a fricken cop-out.
Link Posted: 9/7/2005 8:30:40 PM EDT
I'll be the first to admit that I see things as black and white. You will never leave the table wondering where I stand on issues. I will take a position in an affirmative fashion. Generally that position leans somewhere in the 60-80% conservative range.

Consequence of action, self-reliance, not paying for other people's buffoonery, etc... are all arrows in my quiver. I am also not afraid to take a stand on moral issues, but generally prefer to state things like, "For myself, I don't believe in _______". Which is ultimately what I believe to be true -- I am not responsible for your morality. You are.

I am hardly someone who would make Pat Buchanen look like Jane Fonda's date to an NVA fundraiser.
Link Posted: 9/7/2005 8:34:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/7/2005 8:36:26 PM EDT by WildBoar]

Originally Posted By BenDover:


You haven't been around here too long have you mobius.





Oh ....yes....he ......has.

Care.... to .....take.... a ...guess?

Who else posted like .......that?
Link Posted: 9/7/2005 8:35:57 PM EDT
One of my best friends turned to the dark side also during the 2004 election. We've known each other since we were in 1st grade. Joined the military togather, I joined the Marines along with his older brother and he joined the Air Force. One night he visited my house to swill some beers, conversation turned to the election and all hell broke loose. Bush stole the election in 2000, Bush was selected not elected, Bush was AWOL, George Soros gave me KoolAid, ect... Then he started with "The Founding Fathers, Washington, Jefferson, Franklin, Adams were all terrorist." That one pissed me off, so I threw him out and haven't talked to him since. I would have never guessed he could fall so far. Well I put him on THE list
Link Posted: 9/7/2005 8:37:34 PM EDT

Originally Posted By MillerSHO:

Originally Posted By Andreuha:
I am fairly liberal socially but a conservative fiscally (proper meanings of liberal-vs-conservative, not modern meanings as commie-vs-pussified capitalist).




All I can think about when someone says this is "cop-out".

I grow tired of people I work with or for in Portland telling me this it's such a fricken cop-out.



So that means everyone in the US has to choose either the democratic or republican answer for ALL the issues.

Sorry man, but there are a lot of issues and debates, and only 2 main parties... Sacrificing your own opinions to fit in better with your party, now that's a cop out. If you happen to agree 100% with everything a political party says, then you're one of the fortunate ones.
Link Posted: 9/7/2005 8:39:07 PM EDT
Nope, no liberal friends. I don't trust them at any level.
Link Posted: 9/7/2005 8:39:14 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Andreuha:
Perhaps (just maybe) he was a moderate, and you really ARE "uberconservative"?
I tolerate very conservative folks, but I'm not anywhere near as hard-core as some of the folks on this site. Knowing (or having a good idea) of all the issues first hand, I am fairly liberal socially but a conservative fiscally (proper meanings of liberal-vs-conservative, not modern meanings as hippe/pansy/commie-vs-pussified capitalist).

Moderation and reasoning are (usually) good things

Edit: now that I've read your post, I think he may be a moderate and you may just talk too much about politics (or politicise things, or be biased in an obvious manner).



Wow... that's mighty big of you.

Thanks for bearing our insolence with the quiet dignity & moral superiority that only a moderate such as yourself can muster.

Link Posted: 9/7/2005 8:40:38 PM EDT
The anger emmanating from your ex-friend is not only hurtful to you and your own self esteem, but hateful too. However, reach out to him, show him you care and are willing to re-evaluate your friendship if only he'll seek help and enroll in an anger management class. Tell him: "Hate and anger are not liberal values."
Link Posted: 9/7/2005 8:47:28 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ReelVirginian1861:
The anger emmanating from your ex-friend is not only hurtful to you and your own self esteem, but hateful too. However, reach out to him, show him you care and are willing to re-evaluate your friendship if only he'll seek help and enroll in an anger management class. Tell him: "Hate and anger are not liberal values."



Dr Andreuha would suggest that this is not moderate behavior, this blowout.

Link Posted: 9/7/2005 9:09:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/7/2005 9:15:02 PM EDT by FN-TPS]
There is no zelot like the reformed zelot.

Ben you did'nt just drink the ultraconservative kool-aid...You used it as a chaser for a shot of Jack Daniels poured between a strippers tits.



I think I liked the old BenDover better...The one who'd have installed a debit card machine in his strip club. So the Refugee's with debit cards, could have easy access to cash to stick in the girls G-strings and then, would have had them bounced out of the bar on their ass, when they ran out of money for booze and lap dances.

The new BenDover scares me a little bit. The phase "overcompensating for the past" comes to mind.

And yeah Dover. I know I'm far from being a perfect person myself. This is not a flame Ben. Just a reminder that it's quite possible to to become overbearing in ones relations with other people, when one begins to veiw all though the netcentric lense of "us vs them"



Link Posted: 9/7/2005 9:15:45 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Max_Mike:

A left wing kool-aid drinking wacko?

Like you.

You spend virtually ALL of your time spewing hate.



oh that is so funny..........have you even read any of the post about the people that are being relocated from NO? talk about hate, all of those read like they they posted on some neo-nazi dissussion board.....or the constant LEO bashing that this web site is well known for.......so before you go labeling someone as spewing hate, maybe you you need to direct that to people more deserving of that.

as for being left wing.......I guess to you anybody that has a moderate political veiw is a left winger.
Link Posted: 9/7/2005 9:44:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/7/2005 9:59:50 PM EDT by Andreuha]

Originally Posted By MillerSHO:

Originally Posted By Andreuha:
I am fairly liberal socially but a conservative fiscally (proper meanings of liberal-vs-conservative, not modern meanings as commie-vs-pussified capitalist).




All I can think about when someone says this is "cop-out".

I grow tired of people I work with or for in Portland telling me this it's such a fricken cop-out.




Originally Posted By NYPatriot:

Originally Posted By Andreuha:
Perhaps (just maybe) he was a moderate, and you really ARE "uberconservative"?
I tolerate very conservative folks, but I'm not anywhere near as hard-core as some of the folks on this site. Knowing (or having a good idea) of all the issues first hand, I am fairly liberal socially but a conservative fiscally (proper meanings of liberal-vs-conservative, not modern meanings as hippe/pansy/commie-vs-pussified capitalist).

Moderation and reasoning are (usually) good things

Edit: now that I've read your post, I think he may be a moderate and you may just talk too much about politics (or politicise things, or be biased in an obvious manner).



Wow... that's mighty big of you.

Thanks for bearing our insolence with the quiet dignity & moral superiority that only a moderate such as yourself can muster.




Being that I'm mostly a Libertarian, I guess I can belong to neither the liberal nor conservative camp; but I can definitely lean in one direction. Bottom line is, I vote GOP.
Let's see:
liberal side:
pro drugs
pro sex
pro gay
libertarian on many issues, actually
don't belive in organized religeon

conservative side:
belive strongly in economic theory (versus no theory on the liberal side); don't like regulations on a 'free' market
don't like buerocracy, wish the government was as efficient as some major corperations
pro military/anti terrorist
I like to think I have good morals/upbringing (don't steal, try not to lie or cheat, do unto others... bacially follow the underlying principles of religeon without belonging to one)
I don't base judgments on emotions; nor do I like to knee-jerk, I like to think things through myself

So please explan, with reason, why "social liberal/fiscal conservative" is a not a realistic term and a "cop-out".

By pointing to "classical liberal" socially, I do NOT want to be viewed as having the morals of a college-age hippie who thinks the world owes him a favor - I just think that you have no place telling me what to do to myself or with my life. I guess my todays standard that makes me an uberconservative now, don't it? Or social libertarian fiscal conservative?

About "tolerating" very conservative folks, it's because I don't know one uber-conservative who hasn't lived a rather sheltered life (I don't tolerate uber-liberals, who also generally live sheltered lives - but on the other end of the spectrum. I don't, because while I at least agree with some of the stuff the uber conservatives have to say, the uber liberals just babble on about too many things without having one hint of concept as to how things really play out [off-paper]).
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 2:41:03 AM EDT

Originally Posted By mobius:
did it ever occur to you that maybe he just got sick and tired of your right wing kool-aid rantings, and had enough of it?



Did it ever occur to you that nobody gives a fuck about your opinion?
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 2:42:18 AM EDT

Originally Posted By mobius:

Originally Posted By Max_Mike:

A left wing kool-aid drinking wacko?

Like you.

You spend virtually ALL of your time spewing hate.



oh that is so funny



It is pretty humorous...and at your expense, too, which makes it even better.
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 2:56:19 AM EDT
my whole family is anti bush hippy types,so our lil family getto gethers,BBQ's, holidays are real fun since im the only beer gun freak! i actaully enjoy argueing with them about stuff. They are pretty easy types to get worked up into a frenzy. plus i blame everything on kerry,which really gets them going
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 3:39:35 AM EDT

Originally Posted By BenDover:

Anyone ever get blindsided like that before?



Back to the original question... Yep, happened to me during Bush/Gore.

I was exchanging emails with a friend from my Army days. All of his emails were mean-spirited pokes at Bush. I pointed out that the party with the monopoly on compassion sure was coming up with nasty things to say about Bush -- general insults and photoshop creations.

Most of the emails I received were of the 'only an idiot would vote for Bush' or 'the rest of the world doesn't like Bush' type. Maybe I pushed him over the edge when I said 'F*** the opinions of other countries.'

I actually commented that I hoped our exchange wasn't being taken personally, due to the amount of vitriol I was receiving. Being tolerant by definition, he agreed.

When it was clear that he was burning a bridge, I remarked that when his party regains control I would be marked for liquidation as an 'enemy of the people.' I wasn't trying to alienate him, but I wasn't going to silently take all his crap.

Never heard from him again.
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 4:24:27 AM EDT
The only way to handle that situation is to yell even louder and curse even harder about libs and threaten violence.

Works every time!
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 4:27:51 AM EDT

Originally Posted By mobius:
did it ever occur to you that maybe he just got sick and tired of your right wing kool-aid rantings, and had enough of it? if you didn't know about his politics it's maybe he never pushed it on anyone, and kept it to himself........but just from your post here, you probably are the type of person that only spews far right kool-aid rantings, but also push your religion on everybody, even though they never asked to hear it or want to hear..........the problem is that the far right wing kool-aid drinking wackos, can be just as as obnoxious as the far left wing kool-aid drinking wackos



What a stupid post. Where in the hell did you come from ?
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 4:30:07 AM EDT
No biggee ,man. Get a new friend ,or dont . It doesnt matter .

The older I get the more it seems that 'friends' are kind of overrated anyway.

Link Posted: 9/8/2005 4:35:05 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Andreuha:
Perhaps (just maybe) he was a moderate, and you really ARE "uberconservative"?
I tolerate very conservative folks, but I'm not anywhere near as hard-core as some of the folks on this site. Knowing (or having a good idea) of all the issues first hand, I am fairly liberal socially but a conservative fiscally (proper meanings of liberal-vs-conservative, not modern meanings as hippe/pansy/commie-vs-pussified capitalist).

Moderation and reasoning are (usually) good things

Edit: now that I've read your post, I think he may be a moderate and you may just talk too much about politics (or politicise things, or be biased in an obvious manner).



WTF is it with all these closet "fairly liberal socially" s? if your all that your in the wrong fnn place
Link Posted: 9/8/2005 4:40:38 AM EDT
I have several liberal friends, including a few who, I am sure, cried over the outcome of the '04 elections. We don't talk politics. The reason I'm able to be friends with them is that but for their politics, they're salt of the earth, shirt off their backs people. Their politics are a result of ignorance, combined with emotion. They see people looting in NO. They know that they would never steal unless they absolutely had to to survive. They conclude that the problem is that the folks in NO don;t have enough money, and that we should give them some.

You can't argue them out of it, because it is driven by the feeling that people are basically good and the feeling that people should be helped, no matter what. If the evidence supported the left's position, most conservatives would jump the fence, because conservatism is based on a rational assessment of facts. You can't change the way people feel.

Even people with enormous blind spots can be delightful company and dependable friends. That doesn't mean I think they should be allowed to vote.
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