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Posted: 10/16/2004 8:13:41 PM EST
I drove with a friend up to Chinook Pass this morning for opening day of modern deer season. I was hunting in the national forest OUTSIDE the National Park boundary when I heard two people talking loudly coming down the trail (at 7:00 am in rain and fog). My first thoughts, since there was no reason for a hiker to be coming down that trail at that time in those conditions was that it was a couple of idiot hunters. I saw the first one coming around a tree wearing dark green and carrying some kind of gun and said "Hey there" (noticing that lack of hunter orange).

This young kid in his early twenties looked startled and said something like "Are you hunting?" which is when I noticed he had a name badge and a shotgun. I said "Oh, you're a ranger and--with a shotgun no less". This is when his female partner showed up with with an AR-15 or M-16. Both had tactial slings. At this point, I knew I was going to be harassed and did my best not to get an attitude because they were disrupting my hunt at the best hour.

The female quickly made herself known as a fascist as she started barking questions at me with an authoritative and condensending tone:

B: Do you know how close you are to the National Park Boundary?

Me: Yes, it's up on that ridgeline

B: Do you know where the highway is?

Me: Yes, it's down there (pointing off to my right as I am looking at a hillside above which is the boundary).

B: Do you have a driver's license?

Me: It's in the car but I have my hunting license (handing it to her).

B: Wait. I have to call this in.

Me: What are we doing here?

B: I need to call this in because you are near the park boundary and I want a record of it.

B: Calls in and waits for respons

B: Are you here with anyone else?

Me: Yes, a friend.

B: How many hunters are up here?

Me: I don't know. At least three.

B: Where is your friend?

Me: I don't know. Over there somewhere.

B: Above you or below you?

Me: <shrugs>

B: What kind of car did you come it?

Me: A pickup

B: What kind of pickup

Me: A Ford

B: What kind of Ford?

Me: A 350.

B: Was it yours or your friends?

Me: Friend

B: Talks on radio

Other guy: When did you start up the trail?

Me: However long ago that it takes to walk up here.

Radio: ...has a CPL...

Other guy: <looks startled>

B: Do you have any pistols on you?

Me: No <Still looking for deer on hillside and determined to shoot it if I see one>

B: Talks on radio.

Radio: He's clear...

Other guy: Why do you guys wear camo with hunter orange?

Me: I dunno. It's the uniform I guess.

Radio: BTW the forecast is calling for showers and for <it's pouring>.

Everyone: <giggline to selves>

B: Have a nice day Mr. No Serfing. Be safe.

Me: You too. <continue hunt>

Link Posted: 10/16/2004 8:20:24 PM EST
Perhaps they were on the lookout for a missing picknick basket. Did they ask you if you had seen Yogi and Bubu?
Link Posted: 10/16/2004 8:32:47 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/16/2004 8:34:34 PM EST by No_Serfing]
There was a lot of loud banter. I don't remember all of it. They said something about having reports of hunting in this area to which I replied "That's legal though, right?"

I also asked about their authority outside the park boundary to which the younger guy mumbled something about proximity.

The woman who was also fairly young was a real beeotch.

I had many smartass remarks in my head which I kept to myself like, "What do you NEED an assault rifle for?" or "That's nice, I have one just like it at home".

I think once they figure out I had a CPL they realized I was underwhelmed by being put on a list. Hell, I figure it's a record of me being an upstanding citizen.

Fuck them anyway though. I had the impression they were park rangers by day and ELF members by night.
Link Posted: 10/16/2004 8:32:54 PM EST
"B: Wait. I have to call this in."

"Me: Bitch, i don't bust into your kitchen and ask to see the serial number on your tampons... move along"


- BG


(Wooo, the wimmins are gonna hurt me)

Link Posted: 10/16/2004 8:41:34 PM EST
You sure answered alot of questions.


SGatr15
Link Posted: 10/16/2004 8:54:52 PM EST
Interesting.....
Link Posted: 10/16/2004 8:55:43 PM EST
Me: No <Still looking for deer on hillside and determined to shoot it if I see one>


I would have loved to seen the look on their faces, when you pulled up your rifle and nailed a deer. That would have been classic!
Link Posted: 10/16/2004 8:58:46 PM EST
you were too nice
Link Posted: 10/16/2004 9:00:43 PM EST
How is that harassment?
Link Posted: 10/16/2004 9:01:59 PM EST


You should have looked them right in the eye and said, yes, .... I'm here with my friend CLAUDE DALLAS. LOL

That should have been enouph to tighen both their pooper muscles.

Zen

"This is my rifle, there are many like it, but this one is mine"
Link Posted: 10/16/2004 9:02:06 PM EST
Would have been a PRIME opportunity to flash a GPS in their faces showing EXACTLY where you all were and say - "exactly wtf are you harassing me for?"

I get abrupt with overzealous dummies exceeding their authority.
Link Posted: 10/16/2004 9:02:20 PM EST

Originally Posted By txinvestigator:
How is that harassment?




umm I dont know?? How about if everytime you are at the range a cop calls in to check if your legally allowed to own a gun, then tell me if your a little annoyed
Link Posted: 10/16/2004 9:03:09 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/16/2004 9:03:36 PM EST by repub18]
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Link Posted: 10/16/2004 9:17:23 PM EST

Originally Posted By BUCC_Guy:
"B: Wait. I have to call this in."

"Me: Bitch, i don't bust into your kitchen and ask to see the serial number on your tampons... move along"


- BG


(Wooo, the wimmins are gonna hurt me)






mmm.....i was under the impression they were calling in his hunter's license number.....not a rifle serial number....some friends from back home (but still in MO, where i'm at) say that sorta check ain't uncommon, especially with out-of-state hunters hunting in MO. Probably something to do with the fact that deer tags for non-residents are friggin expensive
Link Posted: 10/16/2004 9:21:46 PM EST

Originally Posted By repub18:

Originally Posted By txinvestigator:
How is that harassment?




umm I dont know?? How about if everytime you are at the range a cop calls in to check if your legally allowed to own a gun, then tell me if your a little annoyed



This is a stupid thing to complain about. Bunch of pussies. Oh no, the LEO asked me some questions...I'm gonna tell my mommy.

There is good gun info on this site, but there are a bunch of juvenile people here when it comes to authority.

Crybabys
Link Posted: 10/16/2004 9:22:55 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/16/2004 9:25:39 PM EST by repub18]

Originally Posted By txinvestigator:

Originally Posted By repub18:

Originally Posted By txinvestigator:
How is that harassment?




umm I dont know?? How about if everytime you are at the range a cop calls in to check if your legally allowed to own a gun, then tell me if your a little annoyed



This is a stupid thing to complain about. Bunch of pussies. Oh no, the LEO asked me some questions...I'm gonna tell my mommy.

There is good gun info on this site, but there are a bunch of juvenile people here when it comes to authority.

Crybabys




I guess you dont care about your rights but I do. And its also depends on the demenor of the LEO as well. If the cop is a pompus prick who thinks a badge is a free ticket to fuck with people then I am going to complain but there are always the bad seeds in anything
Link Posted: 10/16/2004 9:27:20 PM EST

Originally Posted By repub18:

Originally Posted By txinvestigator:

Originally Posted By repub18:

Originally Posted By txinvestigator:
How is that harassment?




umm I dont know?? How about if everytime you are at the range a cop calls in to check if your legally allowed to own a gun, then tell me if your a little annoyed



This is a stupid thing to complain about. Bunch of pussies. Oh no, the LEO asked me some questions...I'm gonna tell my mommy.

There is good gun info on this site, but there are a bunch of juvenile people here when it comes to authority.

Crybabys




I guess you dont care about your rights but I do. And its also depends on the demenor of the LEO as well. If the cop is a pompus prick who thinks a badge is a free ticket to fuck with people then I am going to complain but there are always the bad seeds in anything



What right is being violated if someone checks your authentication when your engaged in a sport that REQUIRES authentication to perform?
Link Posted: 10/16/2004 9:27:34 PM EST

Originally Posted By txinvestigator:
How is that harassment?



I got up 4:00 am to go hunting for a couple of hours and had to spend 1/2 hour of prime hunting time getting grilled by two eco-fascists talking loudly to scare the deer when they could have just asked to see my hunting license and reminded me where the boundary was. They were out of their territory so obviously not lying in wait for poachers, they had and M-16 just in case they had to have a long range shoot out with hunter. How exactly would that happen? I don't mind them having and AR or whatever, but it's the implied hypocrisy that a park ranger somehow can envision a NEED for one but many people can't seem to justify why I might have needed one being in the same spot at the same time.
Link Posted: 10/16/2004 9:28:13 PM EST

I don't hunt so I'm not familier with what forest rangers can do or what your obligations are in response to their questions.

I do know that you aren't required to give regular leo's the time of fucking day.

You don't have to answer any of their questions. You can tell them to go piss up a rope. And that includes showing them identifcation if you are afoot.


Zen



"This is my rifle, there are many like it, but this one is mine"
Link Posted: 10/16/2004 9:30:28 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/16/2004 9:32:15 PM EST by sgtar15]

Originally Posted By txinvestigator:
How is that harassment?



WHy are you here?

Why are you posting?

Why aren't you out tonight? It's saturday?

What does your name mean?

WHat's your SSN number?

Why have you ponied up $20 for membership yet?


ANSWER ME DAMMIT!!!!!!!!!!

NOW!!!!!!!

SGatr15
Link Posted: 10/16/2004 9:31:43 PM EST

Originally Posted By sgtar15:

Originally Posted By txinvestigator:
How is that harassment?



WHy are you here?

Why are you posting?

Why are you out tonight? It's saturday?

What does your name mean?

WHat's your SSN number?

Why have you ponied up $20 for membership yet?


ANSWER ME DAMMIT!!!!!!!!!!

NOW!!!!!!!

SGatr15



Can I see your badge? Why do you need an Ar15?
Link Posted: 10/16/2004 9:32:59 PM EST

Originally Posted By Specop_007:

Originally Posted By sgtar15:

Originally Posted By txinvestigator:
How is that harassment?



WHy are you here?

Why are you posting?

Why are you out tonight? It's saturday?

What does your name mean?

WHat's your SSN number?

Why have you ponied up $20 for membership yet?


ANSWER ME DAMMIT!!!!!!!!!!

NOW!!!!!!!

SGatr15



Can I see your badge? Why do you need an Ar15?

Was I talking to you peon?

NOW SIT YOUR ASS DOWN.

I'll harrass you next!


Sgatr15
Link Posted: 10/16/2004 9:34:17 PM EST

Originally Posted By Specop_007:

Originally Posted By sgtar15:

Originally Posted By txinvestigator:
How is that harassment?



WHy are you here?

Why are you posting?

Why are you out tonight? It's saturday?

What does your name mean?

WHat's your SSN number?

Why have you ponied up $20 for membership yet?


ANSWER ME DAMMIT!!!!!!!!!!

NOW!!!!!!!

SGatr15



Can I see your badge? Why do you need an Ar15?



Link Posted: 10/16/2004 9:34:17 PM EST

Originally Posted By txinvestigator:

Originally Posted By repub18:

Originally Posted By txinvestigator:
How is that harassment?




umm I dont know?? How about if everytime you are at the range a cop calls in to check if your legally allowed to own a gun, then tell me if your a little annoyed



This is a stupid thing to complain about. Bunch of pussies. Oh no, the LEO asked me some questions...I'm gonna tell my mommy.

There is good gun info on this site, but there are a bunch of juvenile people here when it comes to authority.

Crybabys



I assume from your screen name you harrass people for a living?
Link Posted: 10/16/2004 9:35:07 PM EST

Originally Posted By Misery:

Originally Posted By txinvestigator:

Originally Posted By repub18:

Originally Posted By txinvestigator:
How is that harassment?




umm I dont know?? How about if everytime you are at the range a cop calls in to check if your legally allowed to own a gun, then tell me if your a little annoyed



This is a stupid thing to complain about. Bunch of pussies. Oh no, the LEO asked me some questions...I'm gonna tell my mommy.

There is good gun info on this site, but there are a bunch of juvenile people here when it comes to authority.

Crybabys



I assume from your screen name you harrass people for a living?




Link Posted: 10/16/2004 9:36:38 PM EST

Originally Posted By sgtar15:

Originally Posted By Specop_007:

Originally Posted By sgtar15:

Originally Posted By txinvestigator:
How is that harassment?



WHy are you here?

Why are you posting?

Why are you out tonight? It's saturday?

What does your name mean?

WHat's your SSN number?

Why have you ponied up $20 for membership yet?


ANSWER ME DAMMIT!!!!!!!!!!

NOW!!!!!!!

SGatr15



Can I see your badge? Why do you need an Ar15?

Was I talking to you peon?

NOW SIT YOUR ASS DOWN.

I'll harrass you next!


Sgatr15






Link Posted: 10/16/2004 9:37:51 PM EST

Originally Posted By txinvestigator:
How is that harassment?



They were outside the park, out of their jurisdiction, for one...
Link Posted: 10/16/2004 9:38:01 PM EST
No pic's of the Chickie Rangerette...?
Link Posted: 10/16/2004 9:45:47 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/16/2004 9:48:41 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/16/2004 9:50:09 PM EST by repub18]

Originally Posted By HiramRanger:

Originally Posted By Da_Bunny:

Originally Posted By txinvestigator:
How is that harassment?



They were outside the park, out of their jurisdiction, for one...



Federal law enforcement officer... I'm guessing their jurisdiction extends beyond the park as somebody could shoot from off parkland onto it... somebody could flee from parkland. I can call my cousin tomorrow if he isn;t in his fire watch tower and ask him if his authority extends outside of the National Park itself. No guarantees I can get ahold of him, but I'll try if you like.




thats allright weve allready come to the conclusion the park ranger was a douchebag


ETA im guessing he did have jurisdiction though
Link Posted: 10/16/2004 9:51:47 PM EST

Originally Posted By HiramRanger:

Originally Posted By Da_Bunny:

Originally Posted By txinvestigator:
How is that harassment?



They were outside the park, out of their jurisdiction, for one...



Federal law enforcement officer... I'm guessing their jurisdiction extends beyond the park as somebody could shoot from off parkland onto it... somebody could flee from parkland. I can call my cousin tomorrow if he isn;t in his fire watch tower and ask him if his authority extends outside of the National Park itself. No guarantees I can get ahold of him, but I'll try if you like.



If it's raining, call him...
Link Posted: 10/16/2004 10:08:30 PM EST
Wait, am I missing something? How did they know you have a CPL?
Link Posted: 10/16/2004 10:13:50 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/16/2004 10:14:22 PM EST by Synister1]
By his name on the hunting permit probably.
Link Posted: 10/16/2004 10:43:02 PM EST
If you'd have seen your deer... would you at least have warned them to cover their ears before "BLAMMO" bye bye Bambi?

For those who felt he was harassed... there's nothing preventing them from walking up and asking him questions. He was in a public place. He chose to answer them. As long as he wasn't committing any crime, or giving them the impression that he just had, was, or was about to commit a crime, (Terry stop guidelines) he doesn't need to say anything to them. If they had a legal basis to temporarily detain him for investigative purposes (terry stop) all he had to do is identify himself.

I think you had fun toying with them and their questions because you knew you had the upper hand
Link Posted: 10/16/2004 11:02:17 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/16/2004 11:45:35 PM EST by tumbleweed]
WTF are armed and unescorted Federal Law Enforcement officers doing in the State of Washington's jurisdiction questioning a citizen?
Link Posted: 10/16/2004 11:30:03 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/16/2004 11:48:59 PM EST

Originally Posted By No_Serfing:
I was hunting in the national forest OUTSIDE the National Park boundary ...

B: Do you know how close you are to the National Park Boundary?



(Correct me if I'm wrong, but were they not OUTSIDE of THEIR BOUNDARY?)




Me: Yes, it's up on that ridgeline

B: Do you know where the highway is?

Me: Yes, it's down there (pointing off to my right as I am looking at a hillside above which is the boundary).

B: Do you have a driver's license?

Me: It's in the car but I have my hunting license (handing it to her).

B: Wait. I have to call this in.

Me: What are we doing here?

B: I need to call this in because you are near the park boundary and I want a record of it.

B: Calls in and waits for respons

B: Are you here with anyone else?

Me: Yes, a friend.

B: How many hunters are up here?

Me: I don't know. At least three.

B: Where is your friend?

Me: I don't know. Over there somewhere.

B: Above you or below you?

Me: <shrugs>

B: What kind of car did you come it?

Me: A pickup

B: What kind of pickup

Me: A Ford

B: What kind of Ford?

Me: A 350.

B: Was it yours or your friends?

Me: Friend

B: Talks on radio

Other guy: When did you start up the trail?

Me: However long ago that it takes to walk up here.

Radio: ...has a CPL...

Other guy: <looks startled>

B: Do you have any pistols on you?

Me: No <Still looking for deer on hillside and determined to shoot it if I see one>

B: Talks on radio.

Radio: He's clear...

Other guy: Why do you guys wear camo with hunter orange?

Me: I dunno. It's the uniform I guess.

Radio: BTW the forecast is calling for showers and for <it's pouring>.

Everyone: <giggline to selves>

B: Have a nice day Mr. No Serfing. Be safe.

Me: You too. <continue hunt>




Regardless,

All that BullShit vs

"Oh so sorry, we rudely wrecked your hunt. We're leaving in this direction (---->>>) as quickly and quietly as possible."


Yea. I understand your frustration.
Link Posted: 10/16/2004 11:55:28 PM EST
They can enforce laws anywhere in the country, I am certain, but I don't see how they can enforce WA game regs outside of a park. Anywhere for that matter.
Link Posted: 10/17/2004 12:11:54 AM EST

Originally Posted By No_Serfing:

B: What kind of car did you come it?

Me: A pickup

B: What kind of pickup

Me: A Ford





One of my favorites:
What kind of car did you come in? A piece of shit.
What kind of piece of shit? A red piece of shit.
Link Posted: 10/17/2004 12:26:16 AM EST
What I wanna' know is why were they not wearing orange vests/hats or something?

It's friggin' hunting season!!!
Link Posted: 10/17/2004 1:00:15 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/17/2004 1:02:38 AM EST by TomJefferson]
Link Posted: 10/17/2004 1:18:48 AM EST

B: Do you have any pistols on you?


No, just this bonafide super sniper high-powered assault rifle,

YOU STUPID BITCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!­!!!!!!!!!


Link Posted: 10/17/2004 3:07:19 AM EST
I spend lots of time not to mention Money to hunt . If someone comes along like that and interrupts said hunt I'm going to be doing a whole lot more than answering questions . I would be asking some of my own and then following up on them with phone calls and visits in person.
Probably wouldn't do any good , but I'd feel better about it knowing they had to justify themselves to someone too.

Rip
Link Posted: 10/17/2004 3:10:17 AM EST
At least the officers went home safely.
Link Posted: 10/17/2004 3:15:12 AM EST
But at least it was all for the children.
Link Posted: 10/17/2004 5:55:32 AM EST

Originally Posted By parshooter:

Originally Posted By No_Serfing:
I was hunting in the national forest OUTSIDE the National Park boundary ...

B: Do you know how close you are to the National Park Boundary?



(Correct me if I'm wrong, but were they not OUTSIDE of THEIR BOUNDARY?)




Me: Yes, it's up on that ridgeline

B: Do you know where the highway is?

Me: Yes, it's down there (pointing off to my right as I am looking at a hillside above which is the boundary).

B: Do you have a driver's license?

Me: It's in the car but I have my hunting license (handing it to her).

B: Wait. I have to call this in.

Me: What are we doing here?

B: I need to call this in because you are near the park boundary and I want a record of it.

B: Calls in and waits for respons

B: Are you here with anyone else?

Me: Yes, a friend.

B: How many hunters are up here?

Me: I don't know. At least three.

B: Where is your friend?

Me: I don't know. Over there somewhere.

B: Above you or below you?

Me: <shrugs>

B: What kind of car did you come it?

Me: A pickup

B: What kind of pickup

Me: A Ford

B: What kind of Ford?

Me: A 350.

B: Was it yours or your friends?

Me: Friend

B: Talks on radio

Other guy: When did you start up the trail?

Me: However long ago that it takes to walk up here.

Radio: ...has a CPL...

Other guy: <looks startled>

B: Do you have any pistols on you?

Me: No <Still looking for deer on hillside and determined to shoot it if I see one>

B: Talks on radio.

Radio: He's clear...

Other guy: Why do you guys wear camo with hunter orange?

Me: I dunno. It's the uniform I guess.

Radio: BTW the forecast is calling for showers and for <it's pouring>.

Everyone: <giggline to selves>

B: Have a nice day Mr. No Serfing. Be safe.

Me: You too. <continue hunt>




Regardless,

All that BullShit vs

"Oh so sorry, we rudely wrecked your hunt. We're leaving in this direction (---->>>) as quickly and quietly as possible."


Yea. I understand your frustration.



You are wrong. It was a 10-15 minute walk up the trail to the park boundary. This was national forest, however, not state land.
Link Posted: 10/17/2004 6:03:29 AM EST

Originally Posted By operatorerror:
What I wanna' know is why were they not wearing orange vests/hats or something?

It's friggin' hunting season!!!



I asked and they said indignantly, "WE'RE NOT HUNTING!". We talked a little about archery v. rifle rules on wearing orange and I think they began to figure out is was for people to not shoot each other not to make it harder to hide from deer.
Link Posted: 10/17/2004 6:05:41 AM EST

Originally Posted By TomJefferson:
I'm sorry I find the whole damn thing funnier than shit. Think about it, two PETA RANGER KIDS playing Rambo in the forest on the first day of hunting season. They absolutely had no idea how much danger they were in.

I'm afraid they would have been upset that I was laughing at them and even more when I told them why.

Somebody screwed up by leaving these two alone on the first day of hunting season.

Tj

BTW, I live adjacent to a National Park and the guys around here hunt the edges all the time. Some of these guys would make an Army Ranger think twice about going into the forest.



Ding Ding!

Except there were only a few people out in the crappy weather and I don't think they were in actual danger.
Link Posted: 10/17/2004 6:11:07 AM EST
Deer are color blind aren't they?


SGatr15
Link Posted: 10/17/2004 6:14:18 AM EST
Clearly the Park rangers were there to protect you from deer with strap on TNT dildoes.This is what you must learn to expect from people "Looking out for what is best for you/us."


Did they look like they were of "Mid-East" descent?Perhaps they were really Jihadists here to aid the deer in a "Patriotic revolution to throw off the yoke of running dog commercialization."
Link Posted: 10/17/2004 6:23:42 AM EST
Tell those "forest fags" to get lost, and go harass some dope smokin' bunny hugger hikers (INSIDE the park where they belong)
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