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Posted: 10/7/2004 6:31:16 AM EST
Guys, I'm looking ot get a fullsize 1911. Now, I would love a Kimber, but they are out of my price range. What are some other good makers out there that won't break the bank?
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 6:33:20 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/7/2004 6:57:28 AM EST by fight4yourrights]
Springfield


(and I'm a (3) Kimber guy)
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 6:34:44 AM EST
C O L T !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!­!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

period

flame suit ON, Baby!!!
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 6:36:10 AM EST
I'll second the Springfield. Check out the Milspec models with the 3 dot sights. A buddy picked one up a short time ago, and for the money its hard to beat.
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 6:36:18 AM EST
I am also wanting my first 1911. Bad!

Springfield Armory GI for lessthan 400 bones is lookin' sweet.
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 6:37:25 AM EST
I was in yer same position. I didnt want to spend a lot. I bought the SA GI in OD and two weeks later I bought the parkerized one. I got two guns for approx. $850 OTD.
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 6:38:12 AM EST

Originally Posted By zombievt:
Guys, I'm looking ot get a fullsize 1911. Now, I would love a Kimber, but they are out of my price range. What are some other good makers out there that won't break the bank?




Charles Daly! Some guys on this board will be merciless on them because they are Phillipine-made, but the parts are mil-spec (have replaced ALL of the parts on one of mine with Wilson parts -- no smithing required). I have had three of them and still have two. I have smithed my compact to look just like the Kimber Ultra CDP. It works flawlessly.


Another choice is Dan Wesson. Top notch, inexpensive.
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 6:38:32 AM EST
I know the feeling, I just got one of these yesterday
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 6:55:41 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/7/2004 7:05:44 AM EST by panzersergeant]

Originally Posted By desertmoon:
C O L T !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!­!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

period

flame suit ON, Baby!!!





+1
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 6:56:59 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/7/2004 6:57:08 AM EST by fight4yourrights]

Originally Posted By desertmoon:
C O L T !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!­!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

period

flame suit ON, Baby!!!




Did you READ the Post???
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 6:57:07 AM EST
Good luck bro! I've been trying to decide on a 1911 for some time now and I'll tell you there are more choices AND opinions out there than you can shake a stick at. If you come up with something let me know
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 6:57:33 AM EST
Springfield Armory.
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 6:58:47 AM EST




Link Posted: 10/7/2004 7:02:23 AM EST
If you can find an Argentine Sistema - they are generally AWESOME. They're IDENTICAL to a Colt 1911A1 - built on Colt machinery licensed to Argentina, and are usually not too expensive.

I got two of them for about $300 each, refinished and in great condition. I cannot tell any differences in fuctionality, fit, etc - from my original Colt 1911A1.

However - I haven't been keeping up, and so they might be harder to find now. I think I got mine from SOG.
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 7:03:45 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/7/2004 7:04:24 AM EST by desertmoon]

Originally Posted By fight4yourrights:

Originally Posted By desertmoon:
C O L T !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!­!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

period

flame suit ON, Baby!!!




Did you READ the Post???




I am totally ROFL!!!!!


You betcha I read it....if he loves himself half as much as I love MY self then he owes himself the best! He owes himself a C O L T !!!!


mind you I own both Colt and Springie....
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 7:05:02 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/7/2004 7:05:22 AM EST by fight4yourrights]

Originally Posted By desertmoon:



I am totally ROFL!!!!!


You betcha I read it....if he loves himself half as much as I love MY self then he owes himself the best! He owes himself a C O L T !!!!


mind you I own both Colt and Springie....




He doesn't have the money! If he did, well naturally a KIMBER would be THE CHOICE!
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 7:06:32 AM EST
I'd have to say, Springfield Armory. I have a Milspec Parkerized. I like it. Functions 100%. Never had any problems, though I only have maybe 800 rounds through it. Mostly reloads using 230gr plated bullets. Decently accurate, but could be better. I dropped a Videcki trigger in it that a friend GAVE me. That's the only thing I've done to it. I think I got it for about $450. I'd like to get a Milspec Stainless to go with it. Someday....
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 7:07:42 AM EST
If you are just wanting cheap check out the Rock Island Armory one. It is about $289.00 or so looks to be fairly well made.

If I were going to get into the $400.00-$450.00 range I would look for a used Kimber.

This is my everyday carry 1911 type weapon.



I like it so much I had to get it a sibling!



BigDozer66
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 7:12:44 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 7:12:48 AM EST
I've got one on an Essex frame that had a total rebuild with a Sarco parts kit. Every part on the gun except for the safety has been replaced and it's in nice "G.I." shape. I've got a Kydex paddle holster and 350 rounds of Remington UMC ball ammo that goes with it. All of this adds up to over $500 bucks, I'd take $400 for it shipped or I'd swap for a nice semi-auto pistol in 9mm.
Sorry, I know this isn't the EE but I just had to chime in on this thread.
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 7:24:41 AM EST

Originally Posted By M4arc:
Good luck bro! I've been trying to decide on a 1911 for some time now and I'll tell you there are more choices AND opinions out there than you can shake a stick at. If you come up with something let me know



no shit, Ive been looking for months

I consider several models
600-800 range
Kimber TLE
SA black stainless target

900-1100
Kimber Team
SA TGO1
STI

my quest continues

Link Posted: 10/7/2004 7:26:00 AM EST
Springfield milspec
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 7:27:02 AM EST

Originally Posted By TNFrank:
I've got one on an Essex frame that had a total rebuild with a Sarco parts kit. Every part on the gun except for the safety has been replaced and it's in nice "G.I." shape. I've got a Kydex paddle holster and 350 rounds of Remington UMC ball ammo that goes with it. All of this adds up to over $500 bucks, I'd take $400 for it shipped or I'd swap for a nice semi-auto pistol in 9mm.
Sorry, I know this isn't the EE but I just had to chime in on this thread.



Pics?
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 7:31:23 AM EST
If you can find one, get a Norinco. I bought mine for $225, changed out the springs, added nite sights and it is a very nice gun.
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 7:44:34 AM EST
Good luck - they're scarce. I hope someone here can help you find one.
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 7:55:17 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/7/2004 8:06:54 AM EST by TNFrank]



Here are a couple of pics. I really like this gun but since I've traded my 27a1 Thompson for an Uzi in 9mm it just makes more sense to get a pistol in 9mm as well. I'm pretty sure that the Sarco parts kit is a Argentine Sistema Colt parts kit. I reblued the frame(it was brown when I bought the gun) and I've test fired it with both mags using UMC ball ammo. It works great but it doesn't have all the "bells and whistles" on it, it's a total stock G.I. 45, which is the way that I like them. Let me know what you think. If you live close enough so that we can drive and meet in the middle some place then ammo will not be a problem but shipping it is a real pain in the butt but it can be done, it's just not very easy. Talk to ya' later.

P.S.
Correction on ammo count, I forgot that I burned up 100 rnds trying to get the Thompson to work the other day, so I've got 250+ rounds of ammo.
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 8:05:13 AM EST
nothing like a big .45 to comfort you.
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 8:06:03 AM EST
I have Kimbers and Springfields, for the money Springfield G.I. is a great weapon.

Roy
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 8:08:08 AM EST
Springfield. The no-frills 1911s are hard to beat for value.


After you get to know the platform, move up to LES BAER!
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 8:10:03 AM EST
Tim, an instructor I've taken some classes from got one of these recently and is very happy. He's had a lot of guns.

www.gunblast.com/SW1911.htm



S&W 1911 looks to be around $900+ msrp but street priced around $650 with 2 8 rd. mags.
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 8:14:10 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 9:22:13 AM EST
Colt or Kimber. I've seen Colt Governments in stainless for $600. and under at shows, and some nice stainless Commanders at $700. If you need to stay under $500., then Milspec Springfield. In all the reanges above you need to be prepared to do a little work if your are familiar/comfortable with it, or have some good guidance at your elbow. You'll have to fiddle with springs, do a little smoothing, maybe change some sights. No further meddling, though.

If you can go above $700., you can get a nice used Kimber. I got a nice Ultra Eclipse in the mid $700's

Good luck and enjoy. Grip firm but not overly rigid.
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 9:34:23 AM EST
Springfield Armory, the nicest Brazilian M1911 available.

I'll stick with my Union Switch & Signal, thank you very much.



Link Posted: 10/7/2004 9:46:05 AM EST
you can sometimes find used norinco 1911's for about $350. these are good solid guns and tend to make great platforms for customizing later on.

springfield armory GI is somewhere in the $4's I think and is a reasonable choice.

i think you can find a colt 1991A1 in the mid 5's. this is a gun I've heard good things about and would like to pick one up myself.

other than that look for a used kimber.
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 9:51:34 AM EST

Originally Posted By Boomer:
Springfield Armory, the nicest Brazilian M1911 available.

I'll stick with my Union Switch & Signal, thank you very much.

img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/SD70MAC/M1911A1.jpg





Nice collector's peice. But I'll take one with checkered (or stipled) front and backstraps, beveled mag well, commander-style hammer, and high rise beaver tail for daily carry. I happen to feel that there is no finer combat pistol than the good old 1911, but advances made in the past 20-30 years serve to only make the classic design better. And Springfield is plenty good. If it goes 'bang' every single time -- doesn't matter whose roll mark is on the slide.
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 10:00:28 AM EST

Originally Posted By livefreeordieNH:
i think you can find a colt 1991A1 in the mid 5's. this is a gun I've heard good things about and would like to pick one up myself.




Of my six 1911s and variants (like Ballester-Molinas), my 1991A1 Colt is the LEAST reliable, and it somewhat finicky about ammo. YMMV - but that's my experience.
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 10:07:23 AM EST

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:

Originally Posted By livefreeordieNH:
i think you can find a colt 1991A1 in the mid 5's. this is a gun I've heard good things about and would like to pick one up myself.




Of my six 1911s and variants (like Ballester-Molinas), my 1991A1 Colt is the LEAST reliable, and it somewhat finicky about ammo. YMMV - but that's my experience.



damn :-(
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 10:10:47 AM EST
SA
Kimber
Colt
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 1:49:00 PM EST
i like my Springfield (9109l loaded), but i would have bought a kimber if it would have been the same price.
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 1:53:57 PM EST
Dan Wesson patriot is about the best bang for the buck IMO. I have one for sale on the EE. I wish I could keep mine, but college tuition is more important right now. Take a look, mine has night sights and its a tack driver.
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 1:57:50 PM EST
Get a used Colt, Kimber, or Springfield and save some cash for some Wilson Combat mags.
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 2:02:02 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/7/2004 2:07:13 PM EST by BB]
If you don't have $500 to spend on a 1911, then your only real choice in my opinion is the Systema. It IS an exact copy, with exception to markings, as a 1940-era M1911A1. The right steel, the right tooling, the right tolerences. These are realy fantastic deals if you can find them. Mine was $250.
Here's mine:

My Gun Page
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 2:07:18 PM EST
Colt or Kimber. I personally own a Stainless Colt Commander and I replaced the extractor after 8000 rounds. Other than that it is a very reliable handgun.....

Good luck on whatever you decide to get.
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 2:10:43 PM EST
C-O-L-T, COLT, anything else is just a copy. Any you can usually find good used Colts for $500.
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 2:16:23 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/7/2004 2:16:50 PM EST by BallisticTip]
Some Springers.


Link Posted: 10/7/2004 2:17:47 PM EST
Springfield would be my choice. That new mil-spec for the money is the best deal out there. I have had a few colt 1911's and I would never buy another. My Springfield mil-spec is more accurate than over half of the colts that I have owned . I also have two loaded models. Just my 2cents
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 2:21:09 PM EST
... real 1911's don't have that thingy outside of where an extractor is to be



Originally Posted By H3At:

Link Posted: 10/7/2004 2:25:39 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 4:49:12 PM EST
I have a Springfield and would recomend it. I purchased it used and have been very satisfied. Don't just look at new guns, you can get a lot for your money if you spend the time and look at some used ones at a reputable gun shop. Good luck!
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 5:00:10 PM EST

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
If you can find an Argentine Sistema - they are generally AWESOME. They're IDENTICAL to a Colt 1911A1 - built on Colt machinery licensed to Argentina, and are usually not too expensive.

I got two of them for about $300 each, refinished and in great condition. I cannot tell any differences in fuctionality, fit, etc - from my original Colt 1911A1.

However - I haven't been keeping up, and so they might be harder to find now. I think I got mine from SOG.



Poor metallurgy. Even USGI guns are somewhat soft.
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 5:35:08 PM EST

Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
If you can find an Argentine Sistema - they are generally AWESOME.



Poor metallurgy. Even USGI guns are somewhat soft.



Nope. Sistema Colts were made from forged steel. The German, British, and Swedish steel used in their manufacture was the best available. They are regarded as 100% Colt pistols, "Fully USGI," according to one opinion, "in fit, finish, form, and function." Somewhat soft doesn't mean poor metalurgy.
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