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Posted: 10/18/2004 7:21:06 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/18/2004 7:22:52 PM EST
That's neither a "choke" hold nor the carotid restraint. He's just holding Dude back.

BTW, the application of the carotid restraint depends on the individual agency. It's still a valid method on the continuum (sp?) of force.
Link Posted: 10/18/2004 7:23:30 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/18/2004 7:24:54 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/19/2004 4:51:53 AM EST by jadams951]
Did you see where that fucker's left hand is? Fuck choking him...shoot his ass.
Link Posted: 10/18/2004 7:25:21 PM EST

Originally Posted By thebeekeeper1:

I thought they outlawed resisting arrest.




+1
Link Posted: 10/18/2004 7:25:41 PM EST

Originally Posted By thebeekeeper1:
I thought they outlawed resisting arrest.



Are you kidding me? That looks like a fine upstanding citizen if I've ever seen one. It's just another example of racist white cops beating down the black man (or whatever the hell that is).

BTW that's dripping with sarcasm.
Link Posted: 10/18/2004 7:26:15 PM EST
Deadly force situation, hes trying snatch her pistol.
Link Posted: 10/18/2004 7:27:07 PM EST

Originally Posted By jadams951:
Did you see where that fucker's left hand is? Fuck choking him...shoot his ass.



no shit!
Link Posted: 10/18/2004 7:27:37 PM EST
btw, Hi, Balzac!
Link Posted: 10/18/2004 7:28:02 PM EST

Originally Posted By thebeekeeper1:
I thought they outlawed resisting arrest. h.gif


He/she isn't resisting arrest, he/she's just a victim of an overzealous police officer. Actually the ladycop almost looks like she's enjoying the whole "interracial lambada dance lesson" going on there. hty.gif
Link Posted: 10/18/2004 7:35:08 PM EST
Grab the wrist, twist away, elbow to the jaw. Tactics.
Link Posted: 10/18/2004 7:38:49 PM EST
That's no choke hold.

You wanna' see a choke hold?

I'll show ya' a choke hold.
Link Posted: 10/18/2004 7:40:29 PM EST
You shouldn't use the chokehold on African-Americans. A former LAPD Chief says that Africans are more likely to die when a chokehold is used, compared with "normal people".
Link Posted: 10/18/2004 7:41:17 PM EST
I would of shot that citizens dog.
Link Posted: 10/18/2004 7:50:02 PM EST

Originally Posted By P806:
I would of shot that citizens dog.



OMFG thats the funniest thing I have heard today!
Link Posted: 10/18/2004 7:53:16 PM EST

Originally Posted By P806:
I would of shot that citizens dog.



Why do you think he's so pissed?
Link Posted: 10/18/2004 7:56:04 PM EST

Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
You shouldn't use the chokehold on African-Americans. A former LAPD Chief says that Africans are more likely to die when a chokehold is used, compared with "normal people".



What exactly is a "normal person"?
Link Posted: 10/18/2004 7:56:58 PM EST

Originally Posted By P806:
I would of shot that citizens dog.



Screw the dog STOMP the kitten!
Link Posted: 10/18/2004 7:57:39 PM EST
Try to register people to vote by handing out crack and next thing you know the man has his arm around your throat.
Link Posted: 10/18/2004 8:04:09 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/18/2004 8:05:02 PM EST by TrollAccount]
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Link Posted: 10/18/2004 8:48:13 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/18/2004 8:48:22 PM EST by Daytona955i]
Touch the gun, get choked until you pass out, works for me.
Link Posted: 10/18/2004 8:56:18 PM EST

Originally Posted By booniedawg:

Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
You shouldn't use the chokehold on African-Americans. A former LAPD Chief says that Africans are more likely to die when a chokehold is used, compared with "normal people".



What exactly is a "normal person"?



I'm ripping bad here on the chief. He meant "white person" when he said normal. Ouch. That one had a history of sticking his foot in his mouth.
Link Posted: 10/18/2004 8:58:27 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/18/2004 8:59:11 PM EST by heARtbreaker15]
Beekeeper...why, yes...they DID outlaw resisting arrest AS WELL AS attempting to disarm a Peace Officer!

And, I'll use a "choke-hold" if it'll save me OR my partner's life...[stick

Edited to fix:
Link Posted: 10/18/2004 8:59:03 PM EST
Copyright 1993



Doesnt look like a choke hold to me
Link Posted: 10/18/2004 9:30:21 PM EST
"choke holds" in MI LE = "deadly force"

you can however, as i was told in the academy, use whatever one you wish if you're not standing (go figure).

in that pic though, the asshole is grabbing a LEO's gun. at that point you can do whatever fits yer fancy. even touching an LEO's holstered gun is a huuuuuge no-no.
Link Posted: 10/18/2004 9:31:50 PM EST

Originally Posted By thecleaner:
in that pic though, the asshole is grabbing a LEO's gun. at that point you can do whatever fits yer fancy. even touching an LEO's holstered gun is a huuuuuge no-no.



A choke hold seems reasonable to me, in this instance.
Link Posted: 10/18/2004 9:34:13 PM EST
And then they replaced him (Daryl Gates) with Willie Williams. Who was unable to pass the Cal POST test so he couldn't carry off-duty, and bred the environment thaat led to the Rampart Scandal that clobbered Bernie Parks. Now they got the bozo from New York.

Lot's of people are now saying that Gates wasn't all that bad after all.
Link Posted: 10/18/2004 9:45:57 PM EST

Originally Posted By Taxman:
Doesnt look like a choke hold to me


White cop's forearm across a black man's neck? Thaaaaaaaat's a chokehold.

Link Posted: 10/18/2004 9:57:16 PM EST

Originally Posted By TrollAccount:

Originally Posted By Taxman:
Doesnt look like a choke hold to me


White cop's forearm across a black man's neck? Thaaaaaaaat's a chokehold.




Mr. hat
c1993? Your Post topic is "I thought they outlawed chokeholds"

Excuse me but this picture is at least 11 years old.

WTF?

Link Posted: 10/18/2004 9:59:43 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/18/2004 10:02:06 PM EST

Originally Posted By 4xys2xxs:

Originally Posted By TrollAccount:

Originally Posted By Taxman:
Doesnt look like a choke hold to me


White cop's forearm across a black man's neck? Thaaaaaaaat's a chokehold.




Mr. account,

That felons hand is clearly on the officers guuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuun!

c1993? Your Post topic is "I thought they outlawed chokeholds"

Excuse me but this picture is at least 11 years old.

WTF?





He was using a preban chokehold.
Link Posted: 10/18/2004 10:02:14 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/18/2004 10:17:27 PM EST

Originally Posted By Taxman:

Originally Posted By 4xys2xxs:

Originally Posted By TrollAccount:

Originally Posted By Taxman:
Doesnt look like a choke hold to me


White cop's forearm across a black man's neck? Thaaaaaaaat's a chokehold.




Mr. account,

That felons hand is clearly on the officers guuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuun!

c1993? Your Post topic is "I thought they outlawed chokeholds"

Excuse me but this picture is at least 11 years old.

WTF?





He was using a preban chokehold.


Good one Taxman

4xys2xxs, Dammit you beat me to it... I thought I would be the first one to notice and mention the 1993 copyright.

Link Posted: 10/19/2004 4:26:25 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/19/2004 4:28:03 AM EST by Johninaustin]
It's not a chokehold. (No really it isn't) A proper chokehold uses both arms.

He's just trying to pull the guy's head off.

Deadly force situation in a really big way.

BTW: It's a 1991 pic.
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 4:30:53 AM EST
Civil rights worker fighting for his life down south ..................
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 4:34:34 AM EST
Looks like that cop is just trying to get his dentures back.
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 4:40:25 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/19/2004 4:42:30 AM EST by hanau]

Originally Posted By Johninaustin:
It's not a chokehold. (No really it isn't) A proper chokehold uses both arms.

He's just trying to pull the guy's head off.

Deadly force situation in a really big way.

BTW: It's a 1991 pic.


1993 save and enlarge it

but who cares if it is a choke hold if he is going after her gun.if you enlarge the pic it looks like the gun is half way out of the holster
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 4:56:44 AM EST
TrollAccount, perhaps IdiotAccount or something similar would be better?

What you see is an attempted gun grab and you meet that with any level of force up to and including deadly force.

But hey, you are just trolling right?!
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 5:00:05 AM EST
Just another example of the the man holding the folks back.

Touch the gun, maximum acceleration through the force continuum. Then randomly shoot any dogs for effect.

Mike
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 5:03:53 AM EST

Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
You shouldn't use the chokehold on African-Americans. A former LAPD Chief says that Africans are more likely to die when a chokehold is used, compared with "normal people".



Whatever happened to Chief Gates?
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 5:42:15 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 5:56:53 AM EST

Originally Posted By TrollAccount:




Everyone, take a look at the picture, where is the suspects left hand, and what is it doing?
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 6:11:07 AM EST
This looks like an exercise in weapon retention. Either the male officer needs to drop the perp with a single round to the head, or he needs to apply a Maglite shampoo to the idiot. Either one will work, but the bullet will be a much more effective deterent.

Bang. Perp dies of dumb. More oxygen available for those who will actually use it for good. End of story.
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 6:18:21 AM EST

Originally Posted By TrollAccount:

Originally Posted By Taxman:
Doesnt look like a choke hold to me


White cop's forearm across a black man's neck? Thaaaaaaaat's a chokehold.




Yer an idiot.

An idiot who obviously has no clue what you're talking about. The photo shows nothing but a forearm across the perps neck. The arm in not in a position for a carotid restraint, or a choke hold.

Even so, in that instance, either would be totally justified as the perm is attempting a gun grab and yet it's not being applied.
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 6:26:34 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/19/2004 6:38:45 AM EST by Headless_T_Gunner]
The suspect has BOTH OF HIS HANDS on the female officer's gun. He is in cuffs and has reached around and attempted to snatch her pistol. She is doing her best to keep her gun in the holster with her right hand but should be extracting her metal ball point pen from her shirt pocket with her left hand and forcing it into the suspect's eye socket at this point.
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 6:30:41 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/19/2004 6:31:23 AM EST by TrollAccount]
Open your mind people! Think outside the box!

Of course to the untrained eye it LOOKS like the black person is going for the gun but that's just a single snapshot and doesn't capture the SEQUENCE of events leading up to that pic.

WHY was this person being choked?
WHY were there TWO police officers around this person?
Were this person's civil rights being violated to the extent that they had no choice but to try to defend themselves?
MAYBE this was an ambush - maybe the female cop distracted this person so the bigger white guy can grab and choke him/her from the back?

It takes a trained eye to see that this poor black person could be being so abused/choked that he/she was simply trying to use self-defense against an unprovoked attack by the cop.

Look at the fear in the victim's eye.

One picture does NOT tell the whole story here. That's all I'm saying.
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 6:33:01 AM EST

Originally Posted By TrollAccount:
Open your mind people! Think outside the box!

Of course to the untrained eye it LOOKS like the black person is going for the gun but that's just a single snapshot and doesn't capture the SEQUENCE of events leading up to that pic.

WHY was this person being choked?
WHY were there TWO police officers around this person?
Were this person's civil rights being violated to the extent that they had no choice but to try to defend themselves?
MAYBE this was an ambush - maybe the female cop distracted this person so the bigger white guy can grab and choke him/her from the back?

It takes a trained eye to see that this poor black person could be being so abused/choked that he/she was simply trying to use self-defense against an unprovoked attack by the cop.

Look at the fear in the victim's eye.

One picture does NOT tell the whole story here. That's all I'm saying.


plus you may also not see the 3 dead bodies laying on the ground that he just murdered either.
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 6:33:10 AM EST

Originally Posted By TrollAccount:
Open your mind people! Think outside the box!

Of course to the untrained eye it LOOKS like the black person is going for the gun but that's just a single snapshot and doesn't capture the SEQUENCE of events leading up to that pic.

WHY was this person being choked?
WHY were there TWO police officers around this person?
Were this person's civil rights being violated to the extent that they had no choice but to try to defend themselves?
MAYBE this was an ambush - maybe the female cop distracted this person so the bigger white guy can grab and choke him/her from the back?

It takes a trained eye to see that this poor black person could be being so abused/choked that he/she was simply trying to use self-defense against an unprovoked attack by the cop.

Look at the fear in the victim's eye.

One picture does NOT tell the whole story here. That's all I'm saying.



My God, that's done it. We are now irretrievably lost in the "Stupid Zone" with no way back.
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 6:33:49 AM EST

Originally Posted By thebeekeeper1:
I thought they outlawed resisting arrest.



+1

here comes the pain train.
Link Posted: 10/19/2004 6:44:56 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/19/2004 6:46:59 AM EST by OLY-M4gery]

Originally Posted By TrollAccount:
Open your mind people! Think outside the box!

Of course to the untrained eye it LOOKS like the black person is going for the gun but that's just a single snapshot and doesn't capture the SEQUENCE of events leading up to that pic.

WHY was this person being choked?



As other's have said, that doesn't appear to be a choke hold


WHY were there TWO police officers around this person?


Why wouldn't there be? Any time you have more than one police officer somewhere, someone has to say why were the X number of officers there for one person......... As soon as an officer is attacked that same person will say "why didn't the officer wait for back up..............."


Were this person's civil rights being violated to the extent that they had no choice but to try to defend themselves?


Yeah, that's ascertainable from a picture............


MAYBE this was an ambush - maybe the female cop distracted this person so the bigger white guy can grab and choke him/her from the back?


Yes, the police used "jedi mind tricks" to make the suspect attack them knowing a photograper was there.


It takes a trained eye to see that this poor black person could be being so abused/choked that he/she was simply trying to use self-defense against an unprovoked attack by the cop.


Yeah, trained eye can't tell what sex the person involved is?


Look at the fear in the victim's eye.


I can see the victim's eyes, she has her back to the camera, trying to defend herself from a gun grab.


One picture does NOT tell the whole story here. That's all I'm saying.

Link Posted: 10/19/2004 6:45:30 AM EST

Originally Posted By TrollAccount:
Look at the fear in the victim's eye.



uuuh, yeah. Looks more like a freakin zombie trying to get his teeth into her brain if you ask me.

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