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Posted: 3/23/2009 7:49:57 PM EDT
Yes, sir. It's real alright. Clearly it is a regular occuring event in the natural cycle almost certainly tied to the solar cycles. This chart clearly shows that we are just past the peak of the last warming cycle and starting that long slow march to the next ice age.

Link Posted: 3/23/2009 7:52:29 PM EDT
Global warming will go down as the greatest scam of all time.

The people of the future are going to laugh their asses off about us worrying about destroying the earth with greenhouse gasses...all the while the earth is about to get a lot colder.

Link Posted: 3/23/2009 7:52:48 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/23/2009 8:02:05 PM EDT
Originally Posted By ftldrben:
Global warming will go down as the greatest scam of all time.

The people of the future are going to laugh their asses off about us worrying about destroying the earth with greenhouse gasses...all the while the earth is about to get a lot colder.



I am already laughing at all the dupes that believe that crap and line the pockets of Al Gore and his cronies. Suckers! Maybe I should start an environmental group... send cash!
Link Posted: 3/23/2009 8:04:58 PM EDT
The only problem with those graphs are the CO2 levels are EXTRAPOLATED from fossil record. Using the ASSUMPTION that the organisms did not evolve. Or adapt. And that is wrong.
Link Posted: 3/23/2009 8:12:09 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Keith_J:
The only problem with those graphs are the CO2 levels are EXTRAPOLATED from fossil record. Using the ASSUMPTION that the organisms did not evolve. Or adapt. And that is wrong.

This man thinks otherwise.


Link Posted: 3/23/2009 8:13:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/23/2009 8:14:26 PM EDT by tehar15]
Originally Posted By ftldrben:
Global warming will go down as the greatest scam of all time.

The people of the future are going to laugh their asses off about us worrying about destroying the earth with greenhouse gasses...all the while the earth is about to get a lot colder.



I wish that were the case, unfortunately I think it will be one of the lies that lives on as truth. There is at least one of those lies alive now but I probably should not mention it.........../\ /\ /\ /\
Link Posted: 3/23/2009 8:17:53 PM EDT
I think the CO2 record is going to remain consistent as well despite the fact they are showing it heading off the charts in like the last 10 years or so. The temp has not followed it. As the ice retreated due to the warm ups it makes sense that more forests covered the land which would use the CO2 and turn it back into water and oxygen.
Link Posted: 3/23/2009 8:19:10 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Keith_J:
The only problem with those graphs are the CO2 levels are EXTRAPOLATED from fossil record. Using the ASSUMPTION that the organisms did not evolve. Or adapt. And that is wrong.

Ehh? So you're saying that the data is wrong because "they" "assume" that the ice sheets didn't "evolve"???
They don't get CO2 info from bones...
Link Posted: 3/23/2009 8:19:30 PM EDT
Originally Posted By ftldrben:
Global warming will go down as the greatest scam of all time.

The people of the future are going to laugh their asses off about us worrying about destroying the earth with greenhouse gasses...all the while the earth is about to get a lot colder.



I can only hope that one day the people of the future will read this post and know that I was not duped by the global warming scam.

You hear that, future people?!!?
Link Posted: 3/23/2009 8:20:03 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Cole2534:

Originally Posted By Keith_J:
The only problem with those graphs are the CO2 levels are EXTRAPOLATED from fossil record. Using the ASSUMPTION that the organisms did not evolve. Or adapt. And that is wrong.

This man thinks otherwise.

http://media.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/684679/80514713.jpg


He may be right, but that does not change the fact that evolution exists.
Link Posted: 3/23/2009 8:23:51 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Keith_J:
The only problem with those graphs are the CO2 levels are EXTRAPOLATED from fossil record. Using the ASSUMPTION that the organisms did not evolve. Or adapt. And that is wrong.


The assumptions that global warming will continue are extrapolated from computer models that actually can not account for current global temperatures. So, the basic observation that the globe has reached much higher temperatures in the geologic past than today's temperature, without the assistance of industry, leads me to question man-made global warming.
Link Posted: 3/23/2009 8:24:42 PM EDT
Originally Posted By jrollins:

Originally Posted By Keith_J:
The only problem with those graphs are the CO2 levels are EXTRAPOLATED from fossil record. Using the ASSUMPTION that the organisms did not evolve. Or adapt. And that is wrong.

Ehh? So you're saying that the data is wrong because "they" "assume" that the ice sheets didn't "evolve"???
They don't get CO2 info from bones...


Ah, another one who believes air trapped in ice remains sealed...WRONG!!! CO2 dissolves in water. Water EXPANDS when it freezes. CO2 is forced OUT OF SOLUTION when water freezes.

Ice sheet data is really poor. The chart in reference uses carbonate-forming bivalve growth rates to extrapolate CO2 concentrations AND TEMPERATURE measurements, based on similar organism life studied TODAY.

Next time, bring a GUN to a GUNFIGHT.
Link Posted: 3/23/2009 8:25:19 PM EDT
Originally Posted By ftldrben:
Global warming will go down as the greatest scam of all time.

The people of the future are going to laugh their asses off about us worrying about destroying the earth with greenhouse gasses...all the while the earth is about to get a lot colder.



After the no growth crowd gets done the population will have crashed, world economies will have failed, and those that survived will be living in caves with totally green standards. I don't think they'll be laughing.
Link Posted: 3/23/2009 8:28:24 PM EDT
Originally Posted By rifleman2000:
Originally Posted By ftldrben:
Global warming will go down as the greatest scam of all time.

The people of the future are going to laugh their asses off about us worrying about destroying the earth with greenhouse gasses...all the while the earth is about to get a lot colder.



I am already laughing at all the dupes that believe that crap and line the pockets of Al Gore and his cronies. Suckers! Maybe I should start an environmental group... send cash!


Maybe start a Global Cooling research company?
Link Posted: 3/23/2009 8:30:05 PM EDT
I mean, seriously. How can anyone with even a liberal's brain not look at that chart and realize that this has been happening long before the there were enough people to matter? It does look like we will have a pretty sharp downturn in global temps over the next 10000 years or so. Think of all the money that will be saved on Air Conditioning costs, but it's going to colder than a witch's tit in a brass bra in Canada.
Link Posted: 3/23/2009 8:31:37 PM EDT
Damn future people...


THEY TOOK ERR JOBS!

Link Posted: 3/23/2009 8:33:55 PM EDT
Originally Posted By thelastgunslinger:
Originally Posted By ftldrben:
Global warming will go down as the greatest scam of all time.

The people of the future are going to laugh their asses off about us worrying about destroying the earth with greenhouse gasses...all the while the earth is about to get a lot colder.



I can only hope that one day the people of the future will read this post and know that I was not duped by the global warming scam.

You hear that, future people?!!?


[reno911] Oh, shit! Hes from the future.[/reno911]
Link Posted: 3/23/2009 8:34:36 PM EDT
Yep....that settles it.
Link Posted: 3/23/2009 8:34:40 PM EDT
Originally Posted By rifleman2000:
Originally Posted By ftldrben:
Global warming will go down as the greatest scam of all time.

The people of the future are going to laugh their asses off about us worrying about destroying the earth with greenhouse gasses...all the while the earth is about to get a lot colder.



I am already laughing at all the dupes that believe that crap and line the pockets of Al Gore and his cronies. Suckers! Maybe I should start an environmental group... send cash!


the EPA is pushing global warming and greenhouse gases now to justify the carbon tax!
Link Posted: 3/23/2009 8:36:55 PM EDT
I'd say we're due for another ice age.
Link Posted: 3/23/2009 8:41:57 PM EDT


Has anyone noticed that with the recent uptick in Pirate activity around Somalia, that there's been a corresponding drop in average global temperatures in the past few years?


Simple minds scoff at what they don't understand.


Link Posted: 3/23/2009 8:49:06 PM EDT
Originally Posted By The_Macallan:


Has anyone noticed that with the recent uptick in Pirate activity around Somalia, that there's been a corresponding drop in average global temperatures in the past few years?


Simple minds scoff at what they don't understand.




If piracy causes global cooling, then the huge increase in worldwide butt piracy since 1970 should have plunged us into an ice age worse than any before.

Where's your data now, smart guy?

Link Posted: 3/23/2009 8:49:41 PM EDT
Originally Posted By The_Macallan:


Has anyone noticed that with the recent uptick in Pirate activity around Somalia, that there's been a corresponding drop in average global temperatures in the past few years?


Simple minds scoff at what they don't understand.





FSM FTW
Link Posted: 3/23/2009 8:52:12 PM EDT
Originally Posted By FightingHellfish:
Originally Posted By The_Macallan:


Has anyone noticed that with the recent uptick in Pirate activity around Somalia, that there's been a corresponding drop in average global temperatures in the past few years?


Simple minds scoff at what they don't understand.

If piracy causes global cooling, then the huge increase in worldwide butt piracy since 1970 should have plunged us into an ice age worse than any before.

Where's your data now, smart guy?

Not worldwide - just among your circles.



Link Posted: 3/23/2009 8:53:53 PM EDT
You guys need to take this threat to our Earth seriously. Geez.

Link Posted: 3/23/2009 9:02:43 PM EDT
Well it's obviously time to hoist the black flag to save the planet.


Arrrrrrrrrr who's with me boys.....FOR THE CHILDRENNNNNNN!!!
Link Posted: 3/23/2009 9:03:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/23/2009 9:04:48 PM EDT by Mateba]
Originally Posted By MissouriBob:
Yes, sir. It's real alright. Clearly it is a regular occuring event in the natural cycle almost certainly tied to the solar cycles. This chart clearly shows that we are just past the peak of the last warming cycle and starting that long slow march to the next ice age.

http://www.wunderground.com/education/ricky/RBRWuG0042_CO2_T_Vostok.gif


You clowns are so oblivious, every time you guys go on your ignorant rants, you don't even realize the "evidence" you present counter your own arguments.

How does this chart tie anything with with solar cycles? It doesn't, but let's use a word you don't understand to sound smart!

If you do put faith in this chart, what it does show is a strong correlation between CO2 levels and global temps. There appears to be a natural cycle with a period of about 100,000 years. In the past, CO2 levels could be expected to drop (and temps along with it) after the peaks, but that was before man came about releasing enormous amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere. There's no doubt that CO2 levels are on the rise, this chart if anything indicates CO2 levels are spiking and temperatures will follow.
Link Posted: 3/23/2009 9:04:58 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Keith_J:
Originally Posted By jrollins:

Originally Posted By Keith_J:
The only problem with those graphs are the CO2 levels are EXTRAPOLATED from fossil record. Using the ASSUMPTION that the organisms did not evolve. Or adapt. And that is wrong.

Ehh? So you're saying that the data is wrong because "they" "assume" that the ice sheets didn't "evolve"???
They don't get CO2 info from bones...


Ah, another one who believes air trapped in ice remains sealed...WRONG!!! CO2 dissolves in water. Water EXPANDS when it freezes. CO2 is forced OUT OF SOLUTION when water freezes.

Ice sheet data is really poor. The chart in reference uses carbonate-forming bivalve growth rates to extrapolate CO2 concentrations AND TEMPERATURE measurements, based on similar organism life studied TODAY.

Next time, bring a GUN to a GUNFIGHT.


What is a more valid method for extrapolating the data on past ice age cycles? Can you offer anything in it's stead or are you just pissing in the cheerios?

Link Posted: 3/23/2009 9:06:35 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Mateba:
Originally Posted By MissouriBob:
Yes, sir. It's real alright. Clearly it is a regular occuring event in the natural cycle almost certainly tied to the solar cycles. This chart clearly shows that we are just past the peak of the last warming cycle and starting that long slow march to the next ice age.

http://www.wunderground.com/education/ricky/RBRWuG0042_CO2_T_Vostok.gif


You clowns are so oblivious, every time you guys go on your ignorant rants, you don't even realize the "evidence" you present counter your own arguments.

How does this chart tie anything with with solar cycles? It doesn't, but let's use a word you don't understand to sound smart!

If you do put faith in this chart, what it does show is a strong correlation between CO2 levels and global temps. There appears to be a natural cycle with a period of about 100,000 years. In the past, CO2 levels could be expected to drop (and temps along with it) after the peaks, but that was before man came about releasing enormous amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere. There's no doubt that CO2 levels are on the rise, this chart if anything indicates CO2 levels are spiking and temperatures will follow.


Are we to infer from this that you're a global warming troofer?
Link Posted: 3/23/2009 9:07:24 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Mateba:
Originally Posted By MissouriBob:
Yes, sir. It's real alright. Clearly it is a regular occuring event in the natural cycle almost certainly tied to the solar cycles. This chart clearly shows that we are just past the peak of the last warming cycle and starting that long slow march to the next ice age.

http://www.wunderground.com/education/ricky/RBRWuG0042_CO2_T_Vostok.gif


You clowns are so oblivious, every time you guys go on your ignorant rants, you don't even realize the "evidence" you present counter your own arguments.

How does this chart tie anything with with solar cycles? It doesn't, but let's use a word you don't understand to sound smart!

If you do put faith in this chart, what it does show is a strong correlation between CO2 levels and global temps. There appears to be a natural cycle with a period of about 100,000 years. In the past, CO2 levels could be expected to drop (and temps along with it) after the peaks, but that was before man came about releasing enormous amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere. There's no doubt that CO2 levels are on the rise, this chart if anything indicates CO2 levels are spiking and temperatures will follow.

What happens if you release more water and increase the surface area of the water covering the planet?

Greater evaporation.

What happens when you get a lot of evaporation?

Clouds.

What happens when you get a lot of clouds over a very large area?

It gets cold.


Link Posted: 3/23/2009 9:07:44 PM EDT
Originally Posted By MissouriBob:
Yes, sir. It's real alright. Clearly it is a regular occuring event in the natural cycle almost certainly tied to the solar cycles. This chart clearly shows that we are just past the peak of the last warming cycle and starting that long slow march to the next ice age.

http://www.wunderground.com/education/ricky/RBRWuG0042_CO2_T_Vostok.gif


What makes you think it is tied to the solar cycles?
Link Posted: 3/23/2009 9:08:02 PM EDT
Originally Posted By ftldrben:
Global warming will go down as the greatest scam of all time.

The people of the future are going to laugh their asses off about us worrying about destroying the earth with greenhouse gasses...all the while the earth is about to get a lot colder.



Its only the second biggest scam. You know the biggest.
Link Posted: 3/23/2009 9:14:46 PM EDT
Originally Posted By PanzerMK7:
Originally Posted By Mateba:
Originally Posted By MissouriBob:
Yes, sir. It's real alright. Clearly it is a regular occuring event in the natural cycle almost certainly tied to the solar cycles. This chart clearly shows that we are just past the peak of the last warming cycle and starting that long slow march to the next ice age.

http://www.wunderground.com/education/ricky/RBRWuG0042_CO2_T_Vostok.gif


You clowns are so oblivious, every time you guys go on your ignorant rants, you don't even realize the "evidence" you present counter your own arguments.

How does this chart tie anything with with solar cycles? It doesn't, but let's use a word you don't understand to sound smart!

If you do put faith in this chart, what it does show is a strong correlation between CO2 levels and global temps. There appears to be a natural cycle with a period of about 100,000 years. In the past, CO2 levels could be expected to drop (and temps along with it) after the peaks, but that was before man came about releasing enormous amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere. There's no doubt that CO2 levels are on the rise, this chart if anything indicates CO2 levels are spiking and temperatures will follow.


Are we to infer from this that you're a global warming troofer?


You might infer that I actually research things and don't jump on bandwagons merely to spite people from the other political party.
Link Posted: 3/23/2009 9:16:24 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Mateba:
Originally Posted By PanzerMK7:
Originally Posted By Mateba:
Originally Posted By MissouriBob:
Yes, sir. It's real alright. Clearly it is a regular occuring event in the natural cycle almost certainly tied to the solar cycles. This chart clearly shows that we are just past the peak of the last warming cycle and starting that long slow march to the next ice age.

http://www.wunderground.com/education/ricky/RBRWuG0042_CO2_T_Vostok.gif


You clowns are so oblivious, every time you guys go on your ignorant rants, you don't even realize the "evidence" you present counter your own arguments.

How does this chart tie anything with with solar cycles? It doesn't, but let's use a word you don't understand to sound smart!

If you do put faith in this chart, what it does show is a strong correlation between CO2 levels and global temps. There appears to be a natural cycle with a period of about 100,000 years. In the past, CO2 levels could be expected to drop (and temps along with it) after the peaks, but that was before man came about releasing enormous amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere. There's no doubt that CO2 levels are on the rise, this chart if anything indicates CO2 levels are spiking and temperatures will follow.


Are we to infer from this that you're a global warming troofer?


You might infer that I actually research things and don't jump on bandwagons merely to spite people from the other political party.


You might just answer a simple question.
Link Posted: 3/23/2009 9:17:15 PM EDT
Originally Posted By LOW2000:

Originally Posted By Mateba:
Originally Posted By MissouriBob:
Yes, sir. It's real alright. Clearly it is a regular occuring event in the natural cycle almost certainly tied to the solar cycles. This chart clearly shows that we are just past the peak of the last warming cycle and starting that long slow march to the next ice age.

http://www.wunderground.com/education/ricky/RBRWuG0042_CO2_T_Vostok.gif


You clowns are so oblivious, every time you guys go on your ignorant rants, you don't even realize the "evidence" you present counter your own arguments.

How does this chart tie anything with with solar cycles? It doesn't, but let's use a word you don't understand to sound smart!

If you do put faith in this chart, what it does show is a strong correlation between CO2 levels and global temps. There appears to be a natural cycle with a period of about 100,000 years. In the past, CO2 levels could be expected to drop (and temps along with it) after the peaks, but that was before man came about releasing enormous amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere. There's no doubt that CO2 levels are on the rise, this chart if anything indicates CO2 levels are spiking and temperatures will follow.

What happens if you release more water and increase the surface area of the water covering the planet?

Greater evaporation.

What happens when you get a lot of evaporation?

Clouds.

What happens when you get a lot of clouds over a very large area?

It gets cold.




Prime example of exactly what I am saying. Might want to read up on the effects of water in the atmosphere.
Link Posted: 3/23/2009 9:19:43 PM EDT
Originally Posted By PanzerMK7:
Originally Posted By Mateba:
Originally Posted By PanzerMK7:
Originally Posted By Mateba:
Originally Posted By MissouriBob:
Yes, sir. It's real alright. Clearly it is a regular occuring event in the natural cycle almost certainly tied to the solar cycles. This chart clearly shows that we are just past the peak of the last warming cycle and starting that long slow march to the next ice age.

http://www.wunderground.com/education/ricky/RBRWuG0042_CO2_T_Vostok.gif


You clowns are so oblivious, every time you guys go on your ignorant rants, you don't even realize the "evidence" you present counter your own arguments.

How does this chart tie anything with with solar cycles? It doesn't, but let's use a word you don't understand to sound smart!

If you do put faith in this chart, what it does show is a strong correlation between CO2 levels and global temps. There appears to be a natural cycle with a period of about 100,000 years. In the past, CO2 levels could be expected to drop (and temps along with it) after the peaks, but that was before man came about releasing enormous amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere. There's no doubt that CO2 levels are on the rise, this chart if anything indicates CO2 levels are spiking and temperatures will follow.


Are we to infer from this that you're a global warming troofer?


You might infer that I actually research things and don't jump on bandwagons merely to spite people from the other political party.


You might just answer a simple question.


I guess it's obvious you need things spelled out for you. Is my position not obvious to you?
Link Posted: 3/23/2009 9:21:15 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Mateba:
Originally Posted By LOW2000:

Originally Posted By Mateba:
Originally Posted By MissouriBob:
Yes, sir. It's real alright. Clearly it is a regular occuring event in the natural cycle almost certainly tied to the solar cycles. This chart clearly shows that we are just past the peak of the last warming cycle and starting that long slow march to the next ice age.

http://www.wunderground.com/education/ricky/RBRWuG0042_CO2_T_Vostok.gif


You clowns are so oblivious, every time you guys go on your ignorant rants, you don't even realize the "evidence" you present counter your own arguments.

How does this chart tie anything with with solar cycles? It doesn't, but let's use a word you don't understand to sound smart!

If you do put faith in this chart, what it does show is a strong correlation between CO2 levels and global temps. There appears to be a natural cycle with a period of about 100,000 years. In the past, CO2 levels could be expected to drop (and temps along with it) after the peaks, but that was before man came about releasing enormous amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere. There's no doubt that CO2 levels are on the rise, this chart if anything indicates CO2 levels are spiking and temperatures will follow.

What happens if you release more water and increase the surface area of the water covering the planet?

Greater evaporation.

What happens when you get a lot of evaporation?

Clouds.

What happens when you get a lot of clouds over a very large area?

It gets cold.




Prime example of exactly what I am saying. Might want to read up on the effects of water in the atmosphere.


What makes you think anyone really knows what caused fluctuations in the climate throughout the Pleistocene?
Link Posted: 3/23/2009 9:21:54 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Mateba:
Originally Posted By PanzerMK7:
Originally Posted By Mateba:
Originally Posted By PanzerMK7:
Originally Posted By Mateba:
Originally Posted By MissouriBob:
Yes, sir. It's real alright. Clearly it is a regular occuring event in the natural cycle almost certainly tied to the solar cycles. This chart clearly shows that we are just past the peak of the last warming cycle and starting that long slow march to the next ice age.

http://www.wunderground.com/education/ricky/RBRWuG0042_CO2_T_Vostok.gif


You clowns are so oblivious, every time you guys go on your ignorant rants, you don't even realize the "evidence" you present counter your own arguments.

How does this chart tie anything with with solar cycles? It doesn't, but let's use a word you don't understand to sound smart!

If you do put faith in this chart, what it does show is a strong correlation between CO2 levels and global temps. There appears to be a natural cycle with a period of about 100,000 years. In the past, CO2 levels could be expected to drop (and temps along with it) after the peaks, but that was before man came about releasing enormous amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere. There's no doubt that CO2 levels are on the rise, this chart if anything indicates CO2 levels are spiking and temperatures will follow.


Are we to infer from this that you're a global warming troofer?


You might infer that I actually research things and don't jump on bandwagons merely to spite people from the other political party.


You might just answer a simple question.


I guess it's obvious you need things spelled out for you. Is my position not obvious to you?


I don't want to put words in your mouth, TELL us what your position is.
Link Posted: 3/23/2009 9:24:03 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Windustsearch:
Originally Posted By Mateba:
Originally Posted By LOW2000:

Originally Posted By Mateba:
Originally Posted By MissouriBob:
Yes, sir. It's real alright. Clearly it is a regular occuring event in the natural cycle almost certainly tied to the solar cycles. This chart clearly shows that we are just past the peak of the last warming cycle and starting that long slow march to the next ice age.

http://www.wunderground.com/education/ricky/RBRWuG0042_CO2_T_Vostok.gif


You clowns are so oblivious, every time you guys go on your ignorant rants, you don't even realize the "evidence" you present counter your own arguments.

How does this chart tie anything with with solar cycles? It doesn't, but let's use a word you don't understand to sound smart!

If you do put faith in this chart, what it does show is a strong correlation between CO2 levels and global temps. There appears to be a natural cycle with a period of about 100,000 years. In the past, CO2 levels could be expected to drop (and temps along with it) after the peaks, but that was before man came about releasing enormous amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere. There's no doubt that CO2 levels are on the rise, this chart if anything indicates CO2 levels are spiking and temperatures will follow.

What happens if you release more water and increase the surface area of the water covering the planet?

Greater evaporation.

What happens when you get a lot of evaporation?

Clouds.

What happens when you get a lot of clouds over a very large area?

It gets cold.




Prime example of exactly what I am saying. Might want to read up on the effects of water in the atmosphere.


What makes you think anyone really knows what caused fluctuations in the climate throughout the Pleistocene?


Where did I say anyone knows for sure what is happening? I said the logic and "facts" being applied here is flawed (as usual).
Link Posted: 3/23/2009 9:24:45 PM EDT
What REALLY makes me laugh is all of the temperature prediction models when using known data from historical record do not accurately predict current weather/temps. If they can't validate the models using known data, how can they possibly predict future unknown data?
Link Posted: 3/23/2009 9:36:37 PM EDT
Toxic Gases Caused World's Worst Extinction

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Prime among them was carbon. Searing magmas from the volcano intruded into the Tunguska Basin in eastern Siberia, a region laden with thick deposits of coal, oil and gas. Heat from the molten rock baked the hydrocarbons, turning the area into the world's largest fossil fuel-burning plant. In all, the volcano may have belched as much as 100,000 gigatons of carbon into the air (all of humanity emits about eight gigatons of carbon annually).

That's more than enough to cause a global climate apocalypse. But the team also wanted to know what happened when lava infiltrated the area's abundant salt deposits. When heated in a laboratory to 275 degrees Centigrade (527 degrees Fahrenheit), the salts released a host of toxic gases, chief among them methyl chloride, an efficient ozone-killer.
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Link Posted: 3/23/2009 9:43:43 PM EDT
Originally Posted By warlord:
Toxic Gases Caused World's Worst Extinction

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Prime among them was carbon. Searing magmas from the volcano intruded into the Tunguska Basin in eastern Siberia, a region laden with thick deposits of coal, oil and gas. Heat from the molten rock baked the hydrocarbons, turning the area into the world's largest fossil fuel-burning plant. In all, the volcano may have belched as much as 100,000 gigatons of carbon into the air (all of humanity emits about eight gigatons of carbon annually).

That's more than enough to cause a global climate apocalypse. But the team also wanted to know what happened when lava infiltrated the area's abundant salt deposits. When heated in a laboratory to 275 degrees Centigrade (527 degrees Fahrenheit), the salts released a host of toxic gases, chief among them methyl chloride, an efficient ozone-killer.
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Well, I've read the same sorts of disaster hypotheses fronted to explain hard questions in archaeology, and they are entirely bullshit. Almost always with just about zero evidence, or weak at best. The caveat is always that the evidence is all underwater so you can't test it, or the meteor impacted the ice so you can't test it. The bottom line is always that it can't be tested, while pointing to made up evidence that is now supposedly gone..
Link Posted: 3/23/2009 9:44:58 PM EDT
If CO2 is such a huge goddamn problem, support replacing fossil fuels with a cleaner alternative...



Until that happens, I'm not buying that it's the doomsday that Al Gore says it is.
Link Posted: 3/23/2009 9:45:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/23/2009 9:55:54 PM EDT by Mateba]
Originally Posted By PanzerMK7:
Originally Posted By Mateba:
Originally Posted By PanzerMK7:
Originally Posted By Mateba:
Originally Posted By PanzerMK7:
Originally Posted By Mateba:
Originally Posted By MissouriBob:
Yes, sir. It's real alright. Clearly it is a regular occuring event in the natural cycle almost certainly tied to the solar cycles. This chart clearly shows that we are just past the peak of the last warming cycle and starting that long slow march to the next ice age.

http://www.wunderground.com/education/ricky/RBRWuG0042_CO2_T_Vostok.gif


You clowns are so oblivious, every time you guys go on your ignorant rants, you don't even realize the "evidence" you present counter your own arguments.

How does this chart tie anything with with solar cycles? It doesn't, but let's use a word you don't understand to sound smart!

If you do put faith in this chart, what it does show is a strong correlation between CO2 levels and global temps. There appears to be a natural cycle with a period of about 100,000 years. In the past, CO2 levels could be expected to drop (and temps along with it) after the peaks, but that was before man came about releasing enormous amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere. There's no doubt that CO2 levels are on the rise, this chart if anything indicates CO2 levels are spiking and temperatures will follow.


Are we to infer from this that you're a global warming troofer?


You might infer that I actually research things and don't jump on bandwagons merely to spite people from the other political party.


You might just answer a simple question.


I guess it's obvious you need things spelled out for you. Is my position not obvious to you?


I don't want to put words in your mouth, TELL us what your position is.


I think there's no doubt man's activity is causing a rise in global temps. It's very basic thermodynamics, heat is transferred in 3 ways, convection, conduction, and radiation. Virtually all heat on earth is transferred through radiation, with radiation, absorptivity plays a crucial role... greenhouse gases affect absorptivity. I however don't believe the effects are as great as the Gore followers would have people think, but I think it is much greater than the naysayers here think it is. I think some of the "green" push is self serving scams at worse, feel-good bs at best, but the effects of global warming will be real.

I also think most people here that constantly dismiss it don't have a clue on the subject. The ones that aren't outright ignorant have only sought out information that reinforces what they want to hear. But it seems that's ok because that's what many people here use ARFCOM for anyways, like a self help group where people just gather around to pat each other on the back and say "you're right" because when they are out in the real world, they are constantly being told they are wrong. Whether they actually are right seems to be unimportant. It really is pointless debating with them.
Link Posted: 3/23/2009 9:48:20 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Sig_Fan:
You guys need to take this threat to our Earth seriously. Geez.

http://i43.tinypic.com/30bjkhc.jpg




You sir are reading the data wrongly. It is not piracy that cause climate change, but that global warming kills off pirates faster than the rest of the population. And, in my opinion, that is not a bad thing at all. Death to the theiving scum, I say, death to them all.
Link Posted: 3/23/2009 9:56:21 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Sig_Fan:
You guys need to take this threat to our Earth seriously. Geez.

http://i43.tinypic.com/30bjkhc.jpg


Link Posted: 3/23/2009 10:08:32 PM EDT
I heard on the radio today that that volcano in AK has sent more C02 into the atmosphere in the past 5 days than the entire U.S. has in its entire history..
Link Posted: 3/23/2009 10:20:39 PM EDT
I say man made global warming is bullshit!!!!!

I have no science to back this up, nor did not sleep at a Holiday Inn Express last night. I just don't believe that little ol mankind can do enough damage to this big ol planet in the short amount of time we've been around. Just my $0.02

Steve
Link Posted: 3/23/2009 10:25:19 PM EDT
Originally Posted By thelastgunslinger:
Originally Posted By ftldrben:
Global warming will go down as the greatest scam of all time.

The people of the future are going to laugh their asses off about us worrying about destroying the earth with greenhouse gasses...all the while the earth is about to get a lot colder.



I can only hope that one day the people of the future will read this post and know that I was not duped by the global warming scam.

You hear that, future people?!!?



This
Link Posted: 3/23/2009 10:28:01 PM EDT
Mateba quit while you're behind. Their hate for Gore outweighs all reasoning and logic.

Tomorrows topic will be "Weather versus Climate. Just because it is snowing in August doesn't mean there is no Global Warming..."

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