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Posted: 11/22/2012 9:31:04 AM EST
They dropped the weights they are using each set by about 20-30%.

I just got back from the gym, and damn near every last fucking guy (male...females aren't as bad about this as men are) was lifting weight they should not be lifting. Sure, they can get their target # of reps, but between the bad form and using every other muscle to accomplish the set, beside the one they are supposedly trying to work, they just aren't doing themselves any real benefit.

Hell, even I am guilty of this. However, I have made a conscious effort as of late to swallow my pride, drop the weight, close my eyes, and strictly concentrate on the muscle I am trying to work to move the weight through space.

Try it sometime.
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 9:35:56 AM EST
point taken.
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 9:36:02 AM EST
So you spend your time at the gym checking out other dudes?

Interesting...
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 9:36:42 AM EST
y u mad thou?
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 9:37:56 AM EST

Originally Posted By 4Truck:
So you spend your time at the gym checking out other dudes?

Interesting...

Attention to detail makes one gay?
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 9:37:57 AM EST
Yeah this is true life.

I do a lot of high rep stuff. Less chance for injury, but I can still move heavy amounts of weight when I need to.
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 9:38:16 AM EST
Have been getting way too many injuries lately, so I switched to much lighter weight and more aerobics. So far seems to be working.
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 9:39:14 AM EST

Originally Posted By Furyataurus:
y u mad thou?

Not mad - again, I have been guilty of this for years. It's only as of late that I have been fighting with myself and my ingrained bad habits to make a change,

Try it for 2 weeks, and then let me know if I totally suck.
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 9:39:23 AM EST
What's wrong with using a lot of different muscles to lift a weight? That's a lot better, in my view. You're working more muscles and using the body as a whole.

Isolating ONE muscle seems like a less efficient and effective use of time and effort.
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 9:40:11 AM EST
Originally Posted By poink:

Originally Posted By 4Truck:
So you spend your time at the gym checking out other dudes?

Interesting...

Attention to detail makes one gay?


only when those details are weiners
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 9:40:50 AM EST
i hate the fuck sticks that drop the weights and a loud bang, scares the shit out of me sometimes.
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 9:41:09 AM EST
I'm not even talking about doing this from the injury perspective. I am saying this from the hypertrophy perspective.

Sorry, but if you are trying to build your chest, why are you using your back, legs, and heavy shoulders while benching. Drop the fucking weight and make your chest, not everything else, do the majority of the work for you.
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 9:44:02 AM EST

Originally Posted By raven:
What's wrong with using a lot of different muscles to lift a weight? That's a lot better, in my view. You're working more muscles and using the body as a whole.

Isolating ONE muscle seems like a less efficient and effective use of time and effort.

Nothing wrong at all with complex/olympic lifts. They should be the main stay of your routine. However, if you are doing lifts with the intent of primarily working one muscle group, why are you cheating so much just to get it through space.

Take barbell curls for example. You should have your back straight, elbows into your sides, and use your biceps to actually move the weight. Now go to the gym, and you will see dudes using their backs, legs, traps, and shoulders to crank out a set. Does that sound like you are effectively working your arms?
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 9:44:03 AM EST
I agree with the op.

Nobody is impressed with how much you can bench while your legs are kicking and your back is arched.
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 9:44:48 AM EST
Originally Posted By raven:
What's wrong with using a lot of different muscles to lift a weight? That's a lot better, in my view. You're working more muscles and using the body as a whole.

Isolating ONE muscle seems like a less efficient and effective use of time and effort.


Bro, do you even lift?!

Link Posted: 11/22/2012 9:45:02 AM EST
Originally Posted By poink:
I'm not even talking about doing this from the injury perspective. I am saying this from the hypertrophy perspective.

Sorry, but if you are trying to build your chest, why are you using your back, legs, and heavy shoulders while benching. Drop the fucking weight and make your chest, not everything else, do the majority of the work for you.


Bench press is not a chest isolation lift.

Try dumbbell flys if you want bigger pecs.
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 9:46:11 AM EST
Originally Posted By armoredsaint:
i hate the fuck sticks that drop the weights and a loud bang, scares the shit out of me sometimes.


Why are you so jumpy and high strung, bro?
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 9:47:10 AM EST

Originally Posted By Bud:
Originally Posted By poink:
I'm not even talking about doing this from the injury perspective. I am saying this from the hypertrophy perspective.

Sorry, but if you are trying to build your chest, why are you using your back, legs, and heavy shoulders while benching. Drop the fucking weight and make your chest, not everything else, do the majority of the work for you.


Bench press is not a chest isolation lift.

Try dumbbell flys if you want bigger pecs.

Yes, it is not an isolation movement the same way flys are, but that is the primary lift for building the pectorals. Hence, if that is what your intent is, why are you arching the shit out of your back, using grips that bring in more triceps, etc?
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 9:48:47 AM EST
Odd, I've been doing the reverse. I was doing moderate heavy lifting with higher reps trying to focus on form to the last few months focusing on 4-6 reps range and heavy lifting and I'm noticing more muscle size.
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 9:49:52 AM EST
Originally Posted By poink:

Originally Posted By raven:
What's wrong with using a lot of different muscles to lift a weight? That's a lot better, in my view. You're working more muscles and using the body as a whole.

Isolating ONE muscle seems like a less efficient and effective use of time and effort.

Nothing wrong at all with complex/olympic lifts. They should be the main stay of your routine. However, if you are doing lifts with the intent of primarily working one muscle group, why are you cheating so much just to get it through space.

Take barbell curls for example. You should have your back straight, elbows into your sides, and use your biceps to actually move the weight. Now go to the gym, and you will see dudes using their backs, legs, traps, and shoulders to crank out a set. Does that sound like you are effectively working your arms?


I see it all the time when i go to the gym, and i agree with what your saying. I think they do it because they are too worried about what other people think of them.
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 9:50:14 AM EST
Meat gazer!
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 9:50:59 AM EST
Originally Posted By poink:

Originally Posted By Furyataurus:
y u mad thou?

Not mad - again, I have been guilty of this for years. It's only as of late that I have been fighting with myself and my ingrained bad habits to make a change,

Try it for 2 weeks, and then let me know if I totally suck.


I've been doing that.

Medium weight x longer reps = more endurance/stamina if I recall correctly which is what I'm going for.
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 9:51:23 AM EST

Originally Posted By raven:
What's wrong with using a lot of different muscles to lift a weight? That's a lot better, in my view. You're working more muscles and using the body as a whole.

Isolating ONE muscle seems like a less efficient and effective use of time and effort.

Depends whether you're talking compound lifts or accessory work. True for the former, false for the latter.

Link Posted: 11/22/2012 9:51:24 AM EST

Originally Posted By RolandBozz:
Odd, I've been doing the reverse. I was doing moderate heavy lifting with higher reps trying to focus on form to the last few months focusing on 4-6 reps range and heavy lifting and I'm noticing more muscle size.

Again, I'm not saying you should be doing 15-20 reps. I still do sets with 4-6 reps, but I drastically dropped the weight and pay close attention to what muscles are actually pushing the weight. If you do that, trust me, it will still be difficult for you.

For instance, sure I could put 405 on the squat rack, drop my ass 2-3 inches, and go back up...but would that really be doing me any favors?
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 9:54:35 AM EST

Originally Posted By raven:
What's wrong with using a lot of different muscles to lift a weight? That's a lot better, in my view. You're working more muscles and using the body as a whole.

Isolating ONE muscle seems like a less efficient and effective use of time and effort.

Because that isn't what they are doing. They are using inertia to move the weight. And aside from the wieder's cheating principle, you should not do it.
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 9:54:37 AM EST
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 9:56:06 AM EST


Never once.
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 9:56:47 AM EST
I have been on the medium weight, high reps stuff for a while..

The whole "I can bench 300 for 1"........sweet dude, you can lift 300 pounds.................once...............awesome...
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 9:58:27 AM EST
Yep every work out I see people with too much weight,

Example, a person doing dumb bell bench press with an 80 lb dumb bell in each hand and using a two inch movement, I mean the press movement is two inches, If they would drop their ego and the amount of weight they are lifting they would show some improvement. Also these same people look the same as the first day I saw them. They have not made any improvement in their physique.

Link Posted: 11/22/2012 9:59:13 AM EST

Originally Posted By Procyon:
Originally Posted By armoredsaint:
i hate the fuck sticks that drop the weights and a loud bang, scares the shit out of me sometimes.


Why are you so jumpy and high strung, bro?


Link Posted: 11/22/2012 9:59:25 AM EST

Originally Posted By gonzo_beyondo:

Originally Posted By raven:
What's wrong with using a lot of different muscles to lift a weight? That's a lot better, in my view. You're working more muscles and using the body as a whole.

Isolating ONE muscle seems like a less efficient and effective use of time and effort.

Depends whether you're talking compound lifts or accessory work. True for the former, false for the latter.


I was talking about compound lifts like squats, deadlifts, etc
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 10:00:52 AM EST
Originally Posted By poink:

Originally Posted By 4Truck:
So you spend your time at the gym checking out other dudes?

Interesting...

Attention to detail makes one gay?


No, but many gay guys I know do enjoy:
1) looking at other men
2) paying attention to detail
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 10:08:39 AM EST
Originally Posted By poink:

Originally Posted By 4Truck:
So you spend your time at the gym checking out other dudes?

Interesting...

Attention to detail makes one gay?


Even more so.
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 10:09:24 AM EST
It probably shouldn't but this bothers me too. I notice this one guy at the gym who is literally always there when I am. I go at different times to. I don't have a set schedule. So he just must be there all the time. Anyway, he grabs like 60lb dumbbells and tries to curl them. All he does is move is elbow back so he's really just using his back to do the exercise. Then he walks around with his chest all puffed out because he thinks he's strong. He's short and fat and nobody would ever guess he lifts. He'll bench with an obscene amount of weight and move the bar 1-2".
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 10:10:34 AM EST
When you look up stuff about exercise there is a lot of emphasis on using the heaviest weight you can and doing reps to the point of failure. My experience is I put on a lot more muscle swimming than I ever did lifting weight. Low resistance and high reps - probably easier on your body, too.
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 10:10:47 AM EST
i dont give a flying fuck how good i look I just wanna lift heavy shit arrrggghghghghghgh

arrrrghghghghghhgh
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 10:11:13 AM EST
Originally Posted By poink:
They dropped the weights they are using each set by about 20-30%.

I just got back from the gym, and damn near every last fucking guy (male...females aren't as bad about this as men are) was lifting weight they should not be lifting. Sure, they can get their target # of reps, but between the bad form and using every other muscle to accomplish the set, beside the one they are supposedly trying to work, they just aren't doing themselves any real benefit.

Hell, even I am guilty of this. However, I have made a conscious effort as of late to swallow my pride, drop the weight, close my eyes, and strictly concentrate on the muscle I am trying to work to move the weight through space.

Try it sometime.


I'll take the opposing viewpoint. They should be doing deads, squats and bench with as much weight as possible with some weighted dips and pullups thrown in.


compound exercises with heavy weights and low reps FTW.
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 10:11:39 AM EST
Originally Posted By poink:
They dropped the weights they are using each set by about 20-30%.

I just got back from the gym, and damn near every last fucking guy (male...females aren't as bad about this as men are) was lifting weight they should not be lifting. Sure, they can get their target # of reps, but between the bad form and using every other muscle to accomplish the set, beside the one they are supposedly trying to work, they just aren't doing themselves any real benefit.

Hell, even I am guilty of this. However, I have made a conscious effort as of late to swallow my pride, drop the weight, close my eyes, and strictly concentrate on the muscle I am trying to work to move the weight through space.

Try it sometime.


Ahhh more words of wisdom from the clueless one....find anymore poor people to hate?
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 10:12:53 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/22/2012 10:54:46 AM EST by myfathersson]
Originally Posted By poink:

Originally Posted By raven:
What's wrong with using a lot of different muscles to lift a weight? That's a lot better, in my view. You're working more muscles and using the body as a whole.

Isolating ONE muscle seems like a less efficient and effective use of time and effort.

Nothing wrong at all with complex/olympic lifts. They should be the main stay of your routine. However, if you are doing lifts with the intent of primarily working one muscle group, why are you cheating so much just to get it through space.

Take barbell curls for example. You should have your back straight, elbows into your sides, and use your biceps to actually move the weight. Now go to the gym, and you will see dudes using their backs, legs, traps, and shoulders to crank out a set. Does that sound like you are effectively working your arms?



Thats too funny, I was next to a guy this morning doing exactly that with the long curl bar and a plate on each side. His elbows were locked in a perfect 90degree for the whole movement, all hips ,back and shoulders. Of course the guy was twice my size so who am i to say?
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 10:13:09 AM EST
Originally Posted By poink:
Sorry, but if you are trying to build your chest, why are you using your back, legs, and heavy shoulders while benching. Drop the fucking weight and make your chest, not everything else, do the majority of the work for you.


Why are you trying to build your chest on the bench? The purpose of benching is to get stronger at benching.
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 10:14:37 AM EST
Most people who work out have 1 of 2 goals:
1. Building strength
2. Weight loss.

I find it much easier to build muscle than lose weight.

I do bench 300, 3-4x because sometime in this next few years I'd like to do 405.

I'm 220.

I do not consider weight loss needed nor do I find benching my bodyweight 10x any more fulfilling.

I do get enjoyment out of pushing 275 6x as there are some days I can meet that goal.
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 10:15:01 AM EST
Originally Posted By poink:

Take barbell curls for example.
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bro curls

You work your arms with bench, dips, pull ups and deads. I wish i had every minute of my life i wasted doing curls before i knew better back.
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 10:17:30 AM EST
Obama thinks less is more too...!!!

Link Posted: 11/22/2012 10:17:37 AM EST
I don't get the fat bodies who are doing ab weight machines, or even massive amounts of crunches, sit-ups, etc. Thing is they already have a six-pack. They need a ton of cardio and some diet changes to melt that away first.
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 10:23:10 AM EST
Originally Posted By AR15fan:
Originally Posted By poink:
Sorry, but if you are trying to build your chest, why are you using your back, legs, and heavy shoulders while benching. Drop the fucking weight and make your chest, not everything else, do the majority of the work for you.


Why are you trying to build your chest on the bench? The purpose of benching is to get stronger at benching.



Shhhh! You are going to ruin the show!
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 10:37:35 AM EST
Originally Posted By poink:

Originally Posted By 4Truck:
So you spend your time at the gym checking out other dudes?

Interesting...

Attention to detail makes one gay?


I'm so using this next time I get caught checking out another girl.
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 10:48:54 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/22/2012 10:49:30 AM EST by MusicBach14]
Originally Posted By AR15fan:
Originally Posted By poink:

Take barbell curls for example.
[/div]

bro curls

You work your arms with bench, dips, pull ups and deads. I wish i had every minute of my life i wasted doing curls before i knew better back.


So this guy was wasting his time?!







Link Posted: 11/22/2012 10:49:00 AM EST
Originally Posted By BigeasySnow:
Originally Posted By poink:

Originally Posted By 4Truck:
So you spend your time at the gym checking out other dudes?

Interesting...

Attention to detail makes one gay?


I'm so using this next time I get caught checking out another girl.


This thread is worthless without pics.

Need them from BES and poink.
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 10:49:16 AM EST
It entirely depends on your goals. If you're strength training some of the most common and most effective programs use series of 2-3 reps as a % of one rep max to build strength. If you're training to improve over all conditioning you'll have a completely different program that involves compound movements, higher reps, lower weight, and a focus on intensity of effort. Body builders will choose to do lifts that focus on building size and strength of specific muscle groups and often do lifts that isolate muscle groups. Who gives a fuck what others are choosing to do. Pick your own goals, do your own shit, and help others if they ask you.
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 10:50:47 AM EST
Originally Posted By poink:

Originally Posted By 4Truck:
So you spend your time at the gym checking out other dudes?

Interesting...

Attention to detail makes one gay?


In your case....eh..yeah.
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 10:52:38 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/22/2012 10:53:42 AM EST by AR15fan]
Originally Posted By MusicBach14:
Originally Posted By AR15fan:
Originally Posted By poink:

Take barbell curls for example.
[/div]

bro curls

You work your arms with bench, dips, pull ups and deads. I wish i had every minute of my life i wasted doing curls before i knew better back.


So this guy was wasting his time?!

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https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQpaEyFjevnD6VdQ5g_4aMa3OLiLawKz73EcgxBTvxhDAE_GYZ2

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ6jd7vhYpfVKOecIQZuqQq9NuvdJfDMf1QVNP_35SlLjGz6kkjkZ7BeKNK



Depends on the goal. Steroid enhanced body builders have different goals that those looking to improve raw strength naturally.
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