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Posted: 8/20/2005 1:12:51 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/20/2005 8:18:19 PM EDT by justinwb]
I posted here because I would like an answer fairly fast as I found this at a local pawn shop. Its an ITHACA 1911a1 has the US gov and us army stamps on the side as well as FJA proof mark. Now heres the thing I can figure out the serial number is 138xxxx I cant find a list with that on it..... The pistol appears to be in good shape there is obvious holster wear but the barrel is CRISP I mean CRISP. How do I tell if the barrel is original? Is it worth the $500 price tag? thanks a ton guys.

Justin
Link Posted: 8/20/2005 1:15:36 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/20/2005 1:16:19 PM EDT by DK-Prof]
In good condition, it is EASILY worth $500 - probably significantly more than that.


If it's a mismatched frame and slide, it's STILL easily worth $500 in good condition.



Buy it !! If you don't like it, I'll give you $600 for it
Link Posted: 8/20/2005 1:17:01 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
In good condition, it is EASILY work $500 - probably significantly more than that.


If it's a mismatched frame and slide, it's STILL easily worth $500 in good condition.



Buy it !!



Don't listen to him, it's worthless. Send it to me and I'll be sure and keep it out of the market so that these POS weapons don't possibly get in the hands of someone that could rely on them.
Link Posted: 8/20/2005 1:18:00 PM EDT
Go in with $500, offer $400 and say something about the holster wear.

If you get it for $400 buy yourself some beer and go home and clean it.

But $500 is definitely a good going price.
Link Posted: 8/20/2005 1:18:06 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
In good condition, it is EASILY worth $500 - probably significantly more than that.


If it's a mismatched frame and slide, it's STILL easily worth $500 in good condition.



Buy it !! If you don't like it, I'll give you $600 for it



Wow ok I will be back later and post some pics!!!!
Thanks
Link Posted: 8/20/2005 1:18:20 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/20/2005 1:19:13 PM EDT by DK-Prof]
Look here for serial number ranges:

www.sightm1911.com/1911Production.htm

It MIGHT be a Remington Rand frame (from 1943) with an Ithaca slide. In other words, when it went through an arsenal at some point, things got mixed up.
Link Posted: 8/20/2005 1:19:09 PM EDT
No the frame is clearly marked ITHACA
Link Posted: 8/20/2005 1:21:15 PM EDT
During the war some frames where mismatched by the Armed Forces, so although it might be mismatched, it is still original.
Link Posted: 8/20/2005 1:22:09 PM EDT

Originally Posted By MadMardigan:
During the war some frames where mismatched by the Armed Forces, so although it might be mismatched, it is still original.



Ok cool guys thanks....The thing that makes it even sweeter is the fact it will complete my WWII reenacting impression nicely!
Link Posted: 8/20/2005 1:22:59 PM EDT
tagged because I love happy endings!
Link Posted: 8/20/2005 1:23:19 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Daytona955i:
Go in with $500, offer $400 and say something about the holster wear.

If you get it for $400 buy yourself some beer and go home and clean it.




Great idea !
Link Posted: 8/20/2005 1:23:53 PM EDT
www.coolgunsite.com/
138xxxx is the serial number range for Remington Rand in 1943.

Most 1911s were rebuilt after the war and little attention was paid to keeping parts from one manufacturer with the same pistol as parts were interchangeable.
Link Posted: 8/20/2005 1:32:42 PM EDT
But it you dammed fool.....buy it now because as we speak every other Arfcom member in OR is descending on every known pawnshop


Hurry Fool!
Link Posted: 8/20/2005 1:34:03 PM EDT

Originally Posted By LArifleMAN:
But it you dammed fool.....buy it now because as we speak every other Arfcom member in OR is descending on every known pawnshop


Hurry Fool!






Link Posted: 8/20/2005 2:38:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/20/2005 2:41:22 PM EDT by justinwb]
Guys I got it I will post pics later tonite the serial number is 1304xxx That makes it a Remington Ran. the slide is ITHICA. So its not totally matching but its all WWII. I am very happy as I got it for $460 out the door! Its a nice looking pistol and I still cant believe I got it for that price. Although the grips arent original I am sure I can find some on ebay.

ETA: It also came with a usgi mag
Link Posted: 8/20/2005 2:40:11 PM EDT
tag for pics
Link Posted: 8/20/2005 2:49:05 PM EDT
I use to have an Ithaca/Remington Rand mix 1911.
Link Posted: 8/20/2005 2:50:26 PM EDT
Thats a good deal my friend, even if its not matching. You can get the correct grips from Simpson pretty reasonable. What does the BBL have marked on it? Should be HS marked. Either way if it's in decent shape with a good BBL you did very good. Congrats.
Link Posted: 8/20/2005 2:53:19 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:
I use to have an Ithaca/Remington Rand mix 1911.



Used to?
Link Posted: 8/20/2005 2:59:15 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/20/2005 2:59:57 PM EDT
Where's the pix?
Link Posted: 8/20/2005 3:01:12 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/20/2005 3:03:12 PM EDT

Originally Posted By justinwb:
Guys I got it I will post pics later tonite the serial number is 1304xxx That makes it a Remington Ran. the slide is ITHICA. So its not totally matching but its all WWII. I am very happy as I got it for $460 out the door! Its a nice looking pistol and I still cant believe I got it for that price. Although the grips arent original I am sure I can find some on ebay.

ETA: It also came with a usgi mag




That is a fantastic deal. Congratulations !


Link Posted: 8/20/2005 3:05:14 PM EDT

Originally Posted By fxntime:
Thats a good deal my friend, even if its not matching. You can get the correct grips from Simpson pretty reasonable. What does the BBL have marked on it? Should be HS marked. Either way if it's in decent shape with a good BBL you did very good. Congrats.



Where would the marks be on the barrel?
Link Posted: 8/20/2005 3:06:19 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/20/2005 3:21:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/20/2005 3:22:42 PM EDT by justinwb]
Checked my barrel out it appears its a very early early Remington Rand because of the COLT .45 AUTO mark on the chamber as qouted from coolgunsite.com " Very early Remington Rands (with “NEW YORK” marked slides and Type II) normally have “Colt .45 AUTO” barrels."

Even though I got a kind of mixed parts gun it still is cool and well worth the price in my opinion.
Link Posted: 8/20/2005 3:31:05 PM EDT

Originally Posted By justinwb:
Guys I got it I will post pics later tonite the serial number is 1304xxx That makes it a Remington Ran. the slide is ITHICA. So its not totally matching but its all WWII. I am very happy as I got it for $460 out the door! Its a nice looking pistol and I still cant believe I got it for that price. Although the grips arent original I am sure I can find some on ebay.

ETA: It also came with a usgi mag



Congrats on the purchase but I still say fuck EBAY....
Link Posted: 8/20/2005 3:33:21 PM EDT
yea I checked that simpson ltd place and have a pair of grips coming to my house.........
Link Posted: 8/20/2005 3:41:04 PM EDT

Originally Posted By justinwb:
yea I checked that simpson ltd place and have a pair of grips coming to my house.........



Cool. Don't &%^$#@# it all night. [Per another topic] If the grip screws are very tight soak it down with Kroil front and back[inside the gripframe/mag hsg, tap the screw heads with a hard dowel and hammer and they should come out OK. Now imagine where it MIGHT have been......... Grats.
Link Posted: 8/20/2005 3:49:43 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/20/2005 4:06:59 PM EDT
You didn't by chance buy this from a pawnshop in Beaverton did you?
Link Posted: 8/20/2005 4:21:47 PM EDT
No Albany..........
Link Posted: 8/20/2005 7:46:47 PM EDT

Originally Posted By justinwb:
No Albany..........



Well at least I don't have to give my brother an ass chewing now.
Link Posted: 8/20/2005 7:47:41 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/20/2005 7:52:09 PM EDT
Nice deal man, if I saw a USGI, even a mixed and matched, for $460 or even $500, I'd try to snatch it up.

You could always try to find a 'correct' slide for it and such.
Link Posted: 8/20/2005 7:53:53 PM EDT

Originally Posted By -brass-:

Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:
I use to have an Ithaca/Remington Rand mix 1911.



Did you by chance sell it to a pawn shop?



Nope, but almost as bad.

Lost it in the big D.
Link Posted: 8/20/2005 7:54:32 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Matthew_Q:
Nice deal man, if I saw a USGI, even a mixed and matched, for $460 or even $500, I'd try to snatch it up.

You could always try to find a 'correct' slide for it and such.




Yeah I found a correct slide for $75 but im trying to decide if I should do that and sell the Ithica slide it came with would this kill the value any? Also does it require a gunsmith to change out the barrels on these I would like to get a beat up barrel to shoot blanks for my reenactments........

Thanks
Justin
Link Posted: 8/20/2005 7:54:53 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/20/2005 7:57:00 PM EDT

Originally Posted By fight4yourrights:
www.ncds.us/xscuseless.gif



Alright alright ill put some pics up give me a sec to take them
Link Posted: 8/20/2005 7:59:17 PM EDT
tag
Link Posted: 8/20/2005 8:01:02 PM EDT

Originally Posted By tc6969:

Originally Posted By MadMardigan:
During the war some frames where mismatched by the Armed Forces, so although it might be mismatched, it is still original.



Were where they mismatched?



A lot of them were mismatched by armorers for various reasons, like frame to slide fit, or just in a rush to tear them down and get them back up and running.
Link Posted: 8/20/2005 8:05:51 PM EDT
tagged for the goldarn photo that MUST be forthcoming!
Link Posted: 8/20/2005 8:10:50 PM EDT
pic/bump/tag
Link Posted: 8/20/2005 8:16:55 PM EDT
Keep what you have and shoot it, if you REALLY must have the "correct" parts keep everything you have.
Never know when "something" might come along that needs what you have....


Originally Posted By justinwb:
Yeah I found a correct slide for $75 but im trying to decide if I should do that and sell the Ithica slide it came with would this kill the value any? Also does it require a gunsmith to change out the barrels on these I would like to get a beat up barrel to shoot blanks for my reenactments........
Thanks
Justin

Link Posted: 8/20/2005 8:17:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/20/2005 8:17:38 PM EDT by justinwb]
Without furthur a due! Sorry the pics suck........







Link Posted: 8/20/2005 8:19:51 PM EDT
SCHWING.........

Good deal
Link Posted: 8/20/2005 8:27:01 PM EDT
oustanding!
Link Posted: 8/20/2005 8:30:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/20/2005 8:33:00 PM EDT by justinwb]

Originally Posted By TrashHeap:
SCHWING.........

Good deal



Thanks....the funny thing is is the pistol had been at the shop for over 3 months!

ETA: The mag is also usgi........
Link Posted: 8/20/2005 8:40:11 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/20/2005 8:47:04 PM EDT
Is it blued? Ithicas should be pretty dark, mine is much darker then a same period RR. Checked the BBL yet?
Link Posted: 8/20/2005 8:48:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/20/2005 8:49:47 PM EDT by Mr45auto]
Now quickly, throw those damned rubber grips in the trash. And consider me first in line to take that old inaccurate, unreliable rattletrap off your hands. I'll be sure it wont bother anyone else.
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