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Posted: 12/2/2010 6:42:35 PM EDT
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I'd say do it, the powertrain is solid. We've had one of these engines at my work for a long while now testing parts on it.
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Posted: 12/2/2010 7:13:54 PM EDT
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I'd say do it, the powertrain is solid. We've had one of these engines at my work for a long while now testing parts on it. You think tuners will get ahold of this thing and make it a beast? |
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Posted: 12/2/2010 7:19:41 PM EDT
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The specs on that engine are really interesting. Horsepower (SAE net@rpm) 365 @ 5000 , Torque (lb.-ft. @rpm) 420 @ 2500
Seems like they don't even need the 5.0 with power numbers like that. Take some pics when you get it. 
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Posted: 12/2/2010 7:21:12 PM EDT
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What does the ecoboost label really mean?
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Posted: 12/2/2010 7:27:56 PM EDT
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There is a whole series of these videos on the Ecoboost F150:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxN3JnQ47b0&feature=channel |
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Posted: 12/2/2010 7:33:16 PM EDT
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The ecoboost is going to keep Ford ahead of their rivals for half a decade, that's certain. Tacoma mileage with F150 capacity.
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Posted: 12/2/2010 7:35:02 PM EDT
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What does the ecoboost label really mean? The program was originally known as "Twinforce" after the twin turbo system. When gas prices exceeded $4/gallon, the program was quickly changed to Ecoboost. The improvements in mileage at the given power levels would be one reason for the name. |
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Posted: 12/2/2010 9:11:11 PM EDT
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I would love to have red 5 liter F-150 Screw with the Ford Racing supercharger. Wonder if they will offer that with warranty like the Mustang.
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Posted: 12/2/2010 9:16:29 PM EDT
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What does the ecoboost label really mean? The program was originally known as "Twinforce" after the twin turbo system. When gas prices exceeded $4/gallon, the program was quickly changed to Ecoboost. The improvements in mileage at the given power levels would be one reason for the name. Us at the Ford dealers also know this engine by a more technical designation GTDI, standing for gasoline turbocharged direct injection. Which is one of the other technologies it uses for more torque by injecting fuel straight into the combustion chamber along with the forced induction of the twin turbos |
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Posted: 12/2/2010 9:37:33 PM EDT
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IMO the "ecoboost" (hate that name) is indeed a gamechanger. I'm not sure how well it would hold up to hard day in day out use where you'd be pouring on the boost all the time. BUT very folks use a 1/2 ton truck like that anymore, myself included. What the turbo v6 does is let folks like me have good economy in a truck that will still go like stink on shit when we occasionally give it the whip
The other big three's V6'es are ancient especially the Chevy with an engine that goes back to 1955  these new ford v6'es absolutely put em all to shame even in NA trim. The only other full sized v6 that's even in the same ballpark is the 270 HP tundra 4.0
Hats off to ya FORD for raising the bar to a whole nother level! Hopefully you've started something that everyone will benefit from no matter what brand your loyal to |
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Posted: 12/2/2010 11:22:34 PM EDT
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IMO the "ecoboost" (hate that name) is indeed a gamechanger. I'm not sure how well it would hold up to hard day in day out use where you'd be pouring on the boost all the time. BUT very folks use a 1/2 ton truck like that anymore, myself included. What the turbo v6 does is let folks like me have good economy in a truck that will still go like stink on shit when we occasionally give it the whip The other big three's V6'es are ancient especially the Chevy with an engine that goes back to 1955 these new ford v6'es absolutely put em all to shame even in NA trim. The only other full sized v6 that's even in the same ballpark is the 270 HP tundra 4.0
Hats off to ya FORD for raising the bar to a whole nother level! Hopefully you've started something that everyone will benefit from no matter what brand your loyal to watch the video above and the rest of the series that goes with it. |
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Posted: 12/2/2010 11:41:07 PM EDT
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im curious as to what theyll pick up when you crank the boost.
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Posted: 12/3/2010 4:28:34 AM EDT
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IMO the "ecoboost" (hate that name) is indeed a gamechanger. I'm not sure how well it would hold up to hard day in day out use where you'd be pouring on the boost all the time. BUT very folks use a 1/2 ton truck like that anymore, myself included. What the turbo v6 does is let folks like me have good economy in a truck that will still go like stink on shit when we occasionally give it the whip The other big three's V6'es are ancient especially the Chevy with an engine that goes back to 1955 these new ford v6'es absolutely put em all to shame even in NA trim. The only other full sized v6 that's even in the same ballpark is the 270 HP tundra 4.0
Hats off to ya FORD for raising the bar to a whole nother level! Hopefully you've started something that everyone will benefit from no matter what brand your loyal to watch the video above and the rest of the series that goes with it. we've had this discussion before, you ford guys seem to really really struggle with this too That is an ADVERTISMENT and as such you really can't depend on any of the claims made to be particularly factual to any extent at all. I remember one especially stupid f150 YouTube video where they were touting the fords superiority based on of all things the fan shroud. The funny thing was they were comparing a ford v6 shroud to anothers v8 shroud and saying the ford was better just cause it was bigger. Of course they made no mention of the fact that the ford v8 shroud was really no diffrent than the other guys inferior shroud. If they can advertise a pill to make my Wang bigger during the Simpsons then ford can pretty much claim whatever they want with an interwebz ad. |
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Posted: 12/3/2010 4:31:29 AM EDT
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The 11k tow rating is no advertisement. In fact, if the truck fails while pulling a trailer up to the claimed weight is a warranty issue. What you guys can't understand is that Ford is kicking ass and has been for a while. This is just one more feather in their cap.
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Posted: 12/3/2010 4:44:59 AM EDT
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this is no advertisement and is no less awesome and doesn't even feature the turbo v6
http://special-reports.pickuptrucks.com/2010-v-6-work-truck-shootout.html The 11k tow rating is no advertisement. In fact, if the truck fails while pulling a trailer up to the claimed weight is a warranty issue. What you guys can't understand is that Ford is kicking ass and has been for a while. This is just one more feather in their cap.
tow ratings on 1/2 ton trucks are a complete load of bullshit, there is NO standard of testing by which they're arrived at aside from what the domesticated lawyers are comfortable with. If you go around towing over 5 TONS with a .5 truck you're a MORON plain and simple. I've already applauded ford many times in this thread for what they've done, But you fanbois still manage to get bent out of shape cause folks like me aren't prepared to digest the company prepared BULLSHIT those vids shovel down our collective gullets |
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Posted: 12/3/2010 4:49:17 AM EDT
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A half ton today is more capable than a one ton from when the terms were coined.
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Posted: 12/3/2010 5:03:30 AM EDT
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im curious as to what theyll pick up when you crank the boost. Probably a good amount... Ecoboost uses very small turbos for quick spool-up. I believe they only push 12lbs of boost. If you can accept some turbo lag, bigger turbos would flow a lot more air. An intercooler upgrade would help too. Limiting factor would probably be the direct injectors. Ford's monster (500+ hp) Ecoboost test motors are using parallel direct and port injection. |
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Posted: 12/3/2010 5:04:49 AM EDT
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this is no advertisement and is no less awesome and doesn't even feature the turbo v6 http://special-reports.pickuptrucks.com/2010-v-6-work-truck-shootout.html The 11k tow rating is no advertisement. In fact, if the truck fails while pulling a trailer up to the claimed weight is a warranty issue. What you guys can't understand is that Ford is kicking ass and has been for a while. This is just one more feather in their cap.
tow ratings on 1/2 ton trucks are a complete load of bullshit, there is NO standard of testing by which they're arrived at aside from what the domesticated lawyers are comfortable with. If you go around towing over 5 TONS with a .5 truck you're a MORON plain and simple. I've already applauded ford many times in this thread for what they've done, But you fanbois still manage to get bent out of shape cause folks like me aren't prepared to digest the company prepared BULLSHIT those vids shovel down our collective gullets You do know that a 1/2 ton truck is meant to 'carry' a half ton of weight... not pull it. By your statement, then a F450 diesel should not be towing over 5,000lbs. |
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Posted: 12/3/2010 5:19:51 AM EDT
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this is no advertisement and is no less awesome and doesn't even feature the turbo v6 http://special-reports.pickuptrucks.com/2010-v-6-work-truck-shootout.html The 11k tow rating is no advertisement. In fact, if the truck fails while pulling a trailer up to the claimed weight is a warranty issue. What you guys can't understand is that Ford is kicking ass and has been for a while. This is just one more feather in their cap.
tow ratings on 1/2 ton trucks are a complete load of bullshit, there is NO standard of testing by which they're arrived at aside from what the domesticated lawyers are comfortable with. If you go around towing over 5 TONS with a .5 truck you're a MORON plain and simple. I've already applauded ford many times in this thread for what they've done, But you fanbois still manage to get bent out of shape cause folks like me aren't prepared to digest the company prepared BULLSHIT those vids shovel down our collective gullets You do know that a 1/2 ton truck is meant to 'carry' a half ton of weight... not pull it. By your statement, then a F450 diesel should not be towing over 5,000lbs. No no no no I've posted nothing claiming bed capacity is in any way connected to tow ratings. |
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Posted: 12/3/2010 5:44:48 AM EDT
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Then why is it wrong to tow 10,000lbs in the new Fords?
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Posted: 12/3/2010 6:09:55 AM EDT
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Nothing wrong with towing 10k lbs with a 1/2 ton. If it's properly equipped to do so. Meaning tires, gearing, suspension, trailer braking, hitch/5th wheel/goose neck, etc.
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Posted: 12/3/2010 6:11:26 AM EDT
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save a bunch of money and buy used (coming from a guy who spent $120K in new vehicles in the past 7 years)
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Posted: 12/3/2010 6:18:30 AM EDT
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save a bunch of money and buy used (coming from a guy who spent $120K in new vehicles in the past 7 years) Have you priced used trucks lately? It's insane. 3-5 year old trucks with under 60k miles are going for only a few thousand less than they cost new. Not worth it since you're losing the warranty and will probably have to replace brakes, tires, and shocks soon. |
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Posted: 12/3/2010 6:47:12 AM EDT
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Then why is it wrong to tow 10,000lbs in the new Fords? It's not wrong, but if one buys a F150 with the intent of regularly towing 10K lbs then that is not a smart move at all. The 3/4 ton and up trucks are much better equipped to handle that kind of load on a regular basis. Bigger brakes, heavier duty transmissions, frames, axles, etc. It's just not smart to plan to tow that much with any half ton truck regularly. Go look at a 10,000lb travel trailer and see if you really want to use a F150 to tow it all over the country. 
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Posted: 12/3/2010 7:25:35 AM EDT
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Wait, what? I thought only imports were innovative and efficient. /sarcasm
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Posted: 12/3/2010 1:10:35 PM EDT
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I'd say do it, the powertrain is solid. We've had one of these engines at my work for a long while now testing parts on it. You think tuners will get ahold of this thing and make it a beast? For sure, I work for a tuning shop. The new Borg Warner turbos on this engine are a game changer. Were already making aftermaket BOV's for them and other parts. |
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Posted: 12/3/2010 3:05:45 PM EDT
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On the subject of tow ratings.... My 96' Dodge Diesel "3/4" ton pickup with a diesel engine and a Dana 80 rear axle is rated to tow 10K lbs from the bumper hitch. Now a decade later 1/2 ton pickups have similar ratings. Could vastly superior brakes be the game changer?
The new Ecoboost F150 is awesome. They finally challenged GM with the 5.3L V8's fuel efficiency. |
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Posted: 12/3/2010 4:37:27 PM EDT
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I'd say do it, the powertrain is solid. We've had one of these engines at my work for a long while now testing parts on it. You think tuners will get ahold of this thing and make it a beast? For sure, I work for a tuning shop. The new Borg Warner turbos on this engine are a game changer. Were already making aftermaket BOV's for them and other parts. Cool, let me know when yall get something going on it. I have always been throwing aftermarket turbos on mustangs and other friends cars. I would love for it to have 400rwhp someday if I do purchase the Ecoboost. I know it would be reliable, Fords build some strong blocks and it seems they keep making the internals stronger and stronger. |
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Posted: 12/3/2010 5:18:22 PM EDT
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On paper, the new F150 seems absolutely awesome. And I love my GM's.
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Posted: 12/4/2010 4:31:48 AM EDT
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On the subject of tow ratings.... My 96' Dodge Diesel "3/4" ton pickup with a diesel engine and a Dana 80 rear axle is rated to tow 10K lbs from the bumper hitch. Now a decade later 1/2 ton pickups have similar ratings. Could vastly superior brakes be the game changer? The new Ecoboost F150 is awesome. They finally challenged GM with the 5.3L V8's fuel efficiency. What's limiting your Dodge is the factory receiver hitch. Go to a class 5 and you can go higher. Better yet, go to a goose neck or fifth wheel, much better for heavy towing anyway. When the F150 Ecoboost arrives at the dealers I'll test drive one. |
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Posted: 12/4/2010 4:41:31 AM EDT
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I've driven all 3 of the new Ford engines as well as towed with the Ecoboost. I can tell you from first hand experience, while the 6.2 and 5.0 are fantastic in their own right (the 6.2 sounds like pure sex at WOT), the Ecoboost is indeed a game changer. Simply nothing else out there will offer its level of performance and fuel economy. If you doubt me, go drive one and report back. More specifically, drive one pulling a load. You will see.
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Posted: 12/4/2010 4:45:34 AM EDT
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The ecoboost is going to keep Ford ahead of their rivals for half a decade, that's certain. Tacoma mileage with F150 capacity. The V6 Tacoma does not get anywhere near 25. I had an 07 and it got 22 on the best day, mostly 18. |
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Posted: 12/4/2010 5:57:05 AM EDT
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I hope this prompts GM to bring back the 4.5L Duramax for the half-ton trucks.
I still have a small flame of hope in my heart that the "baby Duramax" will hit the market soon-ish... I'd also be powerless against the urge to buy a brand-new Chevy half-ton with it. |
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Posted: 12/4/2010 6:12:35 AM EDT
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Looks interesting for sure.
I currently have a 2005 F250PSD that I paid $36K for, and only has 48K on the clock. If I were in the market for a new truck, I think I'd consider one of these. The only issue I have is a crew cab Lariat was pricing out at over $42K  |
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Posted: 12/4/2010 9:32:34 AM EDT
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I ordered it this morning.
2011 F150 FX4 (silver) SuperCrew w/short bed Ecoboost Motor Luxury Package Navigation Trailer Brake Controller (pretty much loaded out) Retailed for $46,385 Sold to me for $39,500. They will give me $27,000 for my 2008 FX4 that is similarly loaded to my new one except no navigation that has 30,000miles and in good shape. It's nice when you have good friends in high places.
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Posted: 12/4/2010 9:48:01 AM EDT
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I hope this prompts GM to bring back the 4.5L Duramax for the half-ton trucks. I still have a small flame of hope in my heart that the "baby Duramax" will hit the market soon-ish... I'd also be powerless against the urge to buy a brand-new Chevy half-ton with it. At this point I would rather have the gasoline engine. It would be several thousand dollars cheaper and burn cheaper fuel, as well as be cheaper to maintain since it uses less oil. |
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Posted: 12/4/2010 10:04:42 AM EDT
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I hope this prompts GM to bring back the 4.5L Duramax for the half-ton trucks. I still have a small flame of hope in my heart that the "baby Duramax" will hit the market soon-ish... I'd also be powerless against the urge to buy a brand-new Chevy half-ton with it. At this point I would rather have the gasoline engine. It would be several thousand dollars cheaper and burn cheaper fuel, as well as be cheaper to maintain since it uses less oil. I suppose it's a preference thing. I have an affinity for diesels, and an affinity for forced induction and for V8's. This is a perfect combination, and will pair very nicely with the Duramax 6.6L that'll be in my 2500HD next spring. Both will/would be great half-ton offerings. 525lbs-ft torque from a 4.5L diesel? Hello tuner, hello stack, hello torque converter, hello 11 second quarter mile. |
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Posted: 12/4/2010 10:12:51 AM EDT
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I suppose it's a preference thing. Only kind of. I like diesels. But the Duramax will probably be at least $6,000 more expensive. And about 500 pounds heavier. Quoted:
I have an affinity for diesels, and an affinity for forced induction and for V8's. This is a perfect combination, and will pair very nicely with the Duramax 6.6L that'll be in my 2500HD next spring. Why V8s? I find that cylinder count and configuration has less impact on power than one would think. Quoted:
Both will/would be great half-ton offerings. 525lbs-ft torque from a 4.5L diesel? Hello tuner, hello stack, hello torque converter, hello 11 second quarter mile. You lost me at "stack." But it would be a great truck. Just too expensive for what it is worth, especially with the emissions hassle. |
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Posted: 12/4/2010 10:13:55 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: I hope this prompts GM to bring back the 4.5L Duramax for the half-ton trucks. I still have a small flame of hope in my heart that the "baby Duramax" will hit the market soon-ish... I'd also be powerless against the urge to buy a brand-new Chevy half-ton with it. At this point I would rather have the gasoline engine. It would be several thousand dollars cheaper and burn cheaper fuel, as well as be cheaper to maintain since it uses less oil. Yup. Sadly the EPA has priced diesels out of the non heavy-towing market. Even a baby Duramax would be 5-8,000 dollars more purchase price over a 5.3l gas, and when that engine gets as good of mileage as it does, it really kills having any payback on the diesel at all. |
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Posted: 12/4/2010 10:22:03 AM EDT
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I suppose it's a preference thing. Only kind of. I like diesels. But the Duramax will probably be at least $6,000 more expensive. And about 500 pounds heavier. Quoted:
I have an affinity for diesels, and an affinity for forced induction and for V8's. This is a perfect combination, and will pair very nicely with the Duramax 6.6L that'll be in my 2500HD next spring. Why V8s? I find that cylinder count and configuration has less impact on power than one would think. Quoted:
Both will/would be great half-ton offerings. 525lbs-ft torque from a 4.5L diesel? Hello tuner, hello stack, hello torque converter, hello 11 second quarter mile. You lost me at "stack." But it would be a great truck. Just too expensive for what it is worth, especially with the emissions hassle. Eh. Hopefully America will stay free for a bit longer so we're allowed to have different preferences. I'm in no way saying that one is end-all, be-all over the other, I just have my preferences. I like V8's due to sound and higher HP ratings, great for daily driving versus every-day hauling. Granted harmonically they're inferior to a straight-six, and as far as torque goes they're usually inferior as well ,but the market doesn't have a straight-six to work with aside from the Cummins 5.9L. Quoted:
Yup. Sadly the EPA has priced diesels out of the non heavy-towing market. Even a baby Duramax would be 5-8,000 dollars more purchase price over a 5.3l gas, and when that engine gets as good of mileage as it does, it really kills having any payback on the diesel at all. imho, the diesel in a half-ton wouldn't be for mileage, it'd be for fun, and to have something I could do most truck-duties with, without having to go to the 2500HD. Mileage would just make it acceptable as a daily driver, over a bored-over 6.0L with wicked cams and a remote-mounted turbo. |
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Posted: 12/4/2010 10:31:46 AM EDT
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Without emissions controls I suspect the issue would be very different.
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Posted: 12/4/2010 10:44:52 AM EDT
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I ordered it this morning. 2011 F150 FX4 (silver) SuperCrew w/short bed Ecoboost Motor Luxury Package Navigation Trailer Brake Controller (pretty much loaded out) Retailed for $46,385 Sold to me for $39,500. They will give me $27,000 for my 2008 FX4 that is similarly loaded to my new one except no navigation that has 30,000miles and in good shape. It's nice when you have good friends in high places.
Take some pics when she comes in
I would have gotten an all black Raptor for that kind of coin though.
ETA: DarkCharisma, please do not put a stack on your next truck. 
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Posted: 12/4/2010 10:57:31 AM EDT
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ETA: DarkCharisma, please do not put a stack on your next truck. Haha. The wife-to-be doesn't want a stack either. 
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Posted: 12/4/2010 11:09:03 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: ETA: DarkCharisma, please do not put a stack on your next truck. Haha. The wife-to-be doesn't want a stack either. Unless it's 6" in diameter and coming out of the hood.  |
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Posted: 12/4/2010 11:16:21 AM EDT
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Quoted: Without emissions controls I suspect the issue would be very different. Jaguar sells a car I want, but not here. |
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Posted: 12/4/2010 7:18:00 PM EDT
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I custom built a turbocharger system for my 1997 F150 with the 4.2 V6. It was a monster. A boosted V6 is quite a capable platform.
I wish I could order a Ecoboost F150. I just bought a '10 Rx8 for the wife
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Posted: 12/4/2010 9:02:17 PM EDT
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I custom built a turbocharger system for my 1997 F150 with the 4.2 V6. It was a monster. A boosted V6 is quite a capable platform. I wish I could order a Ecoboost F150. I just bought a '10 Rx8 for the wife RX8? Now that's a car that badly needs a turbo or two! |
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Posted: 12/4/2010 9:37:06 PM EDT
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I custom built a turbocharger system for my 1997 F150 with the 4.2 V6. It was a monster. A boosted V6 is quite a capable platform. I wish I could order a Ecoboost F150. I just bought a '10 Rx8 for the wife RX8? Now that's a car that badly needs a turbo or two! NAW! It just needs a few extra cylinders Four would be a worthwhile start, six would be better and 8 would be all win
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Posted: 12/4/2010 9:43:25 PM EDT
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I custom built a turbocharger system for my 1997 F150 with the 4.2 V6. It was a monster. A boosted V6 is quite a capable platform. I wish I could order a Ecoboost F150. I just bought a '10 Rx8 for the wife RX8? Now that's a car that badly needs a turbo or two! I am enjoying the hell out of it, and so is the wife. I got a fucking steal on it too. |
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Posted: 12/4/2010 10:19:54 PM EDT
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I would have like to have seen the Ford 4.4 TD instead. Not as much horse power, but 515 lb ft torque. They are using it in Europe on the full size Range Rover (although Ford no longer owns the brand).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_4.4_Turbo_Diesel |
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