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Posted: 8/22/2017 11:03:02 AM EST
Standing in line the guy ahead of me was open carrying a 1911 with the safety on and the hammer down.

This is the first time I have ever seen someone carry a 1911 type pistol with the hammer down and safety on.

I have two 1911's and seeing that just bugs me. I can't picture in my mind how carrying one like that wouldn't be awkward to draw, take the safety off and then pull back the hammer to be able to shoot.

Are people actually taught to carry them that way?
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 11:07:10 AM EST
How is the safety on with the hammer down?
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Originally Posted By warkittens:
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wasn't there a LLama you could do that with?

Because a regular series 70 1911 can not do that?
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 11:09:16 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/22/2017 11:09:37 AM EST by Pesty]
Safety fast system like you can fit to a bhp?

You can't engage a safety on a 1911 if they hammer is down can you?
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This.  My 1911 cannot be set that way.
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Yeah it shouldn't be possible.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 11:09:28 AM EST
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Must be a double action. I hate them, personally. It just seems wrong.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 11:09:56 AM EST
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the old Para-Ordnance light double action 1911s were carried hammer down. Did they allow the safety to be on?
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 11:10:05 AM EST
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Came to post this.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 11:10:32 AM EST
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I have no idea but the hammer definitely was not cocked.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 11:12:02 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/22/2017 11:13:03 AM EST by Canoeguy]
Probably the Para mentioned above. Its the only one I have experience with. Yes the safety gets put on as it is double action only.



ETA: at least in my memory from a year or two ago.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 11:12:18 AM EST
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You likely didn't see it right. Either the gun or the condition it was in.
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Originally Posted By Pesty:
Safety fast system like you can fit to a bhp?

You can't engage a safety on a 1911 if they hammer is down can you?
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Yeah, SFS system crap.

Bizarre thinking went into that design.

"A 1911 with the safety on and the hammer back is dangerous! Let's take out the regular parts and put in a bunch of new small parts so that you can have the safety on with the hammer down!"

"What will happen to your gun when you take the safety off with this silly system installed?"

"Taking the safety off will automatically cock the hammer!"

"So.........you added a bunch of small parts to get a gun that will be cocked as soon as you take the safety off?"

"Yep!"

"So.........just like a non-modified 1911 then."

"Uh......."



ETA: Oh yeah, and with this silliness installed on your pistol, you cannot manually put the safety on---you have to push the hammer forward to put the safety on.

https://www.cylinder-slide.com/sfs4.shtml

So basically it introduces more parts to possibly fail, changes the way you put the pistol on "safe," and makes it look less dangerous in a holster, I guess.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 11:15:20 AM EST
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Originally Posted By SeanC:
I have no idea but the hammer definitely was not cocked.
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Originally Posted By warkittens:
How is the safety on with the hammer down?
I have no idea but the hammer definitely was not cocked.
Right side carry I assume. How did you see the safety was engaged?
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 11:16:16 AM EST
He probably read somewhere that it was safer that way.
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Right side carry I assume. How did you see the safety was engaged?
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Originally Posted By warkittens:
How is the safety on with the hammer down?
I have no idea but the hammer definitely was not cocked.
Right side carry I assume. How did you see the safety was engaged?
No, left side.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 11:17:18 AM EST
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How is the safety on with the hammer down?
All things are possible with airsoft replicas
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 11:21:59 AM EST
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Originally Posted By SeanC:
No, left side.
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Originally Posted By warkittens:
How is the safety on with the hammer down?
I have no idea but the hammer definitely was not cocked.
Right side carry I assume. How did you see the safety was engaged?
No, left side.
Leftys. That explains it. Those people are always throwing the world off balance.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 11:33:22 AM EST
I wasn't aware that the safety could be on when the hammer was down.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 11:33:50 AM EST
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Originally Posted By scotchymcdrinkerbean:


Yeah, SFS system crap.

Bizarre thinking went into that design.

"A 1911 with the safety on and the hammer back is dangerous! Let's take out the regular parts and put in a bunch of new small parts so that you can have the safety on with the hammer down!"

"What will happen to your gun when you take the safety off with this silly system installed?"

"Taking the safety off will automatically cock the hammer!"

"So.........you added a bunch of small parts to get a gun that will be cocked as soon as you take the safety off?"

"Yep!"

"So.........just like a non-modified 1911 then."

"Uh......."



ETA: Oh yeah, and with this silliness installed on your pistol, you cannot manually put the safety on---you have to push the hammer forward to put the safety on.

https://www.cylinder-slide.com/sfs4.shtml

So basically it introduces more parts to possibly fail, changes the way you put the pistol on "safe," and makes it look less dangerous in a holster, I guess.
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I thought that LLAMA also did this on some and that it was "improved and patented" by cylnder-slide...but I might be mis-remebering.
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Originally Posted By Pesty:
Safety fast system like you can fit to a bhp?

You can't engage a safety on a 1911 if they hammer is down can you?
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The SFS is one of the most clever, completely dumb things I've ever seen.

Talk about a solution in search of a problem. Clever, though.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 11:36:37 AM EST
My first thought would be the para LDA
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 11:37:24 AM EST
Possible on a Star PD and other 1911 looking Stars.
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My first thought would be the para LDA
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oohh I had forgotten about that one?
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 11:39:11 AM EST
sUM tIN wONG
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 11:40:24 AM EST
I open carried my USP45 exactly one time, cocked and locked. Some guy was like "uhh hey, your gun is cocked"

"Um, yeah. That's how it works"

Link Posted: 8/22/2017 11:41:43 AM EST
It worked beautifully on a Hi-Power, though.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 11:43:11 AM EST
I saw my first open carry a couple weeks ago, my wife didn't even notice that is how scary it was.
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This, unless it was a para lda, or Olympic made a weird two piece hammer that worked like this.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 11:45:30 AM EST
Hammer down, empty chamber "because it's safer"
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Neither of my LDAs have normal hammers. The hammer is flat and sits flush with the slide.

Not my pic but mine look just like this.

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Link Posted: 8/22/2017 11:48:20 AM EST
The open carry side was a clever trick. It is a bait gun. BG goes for open carry weapon which is unloaded and in no condition to fire anyway and the trap is sprung. BG is shot full of 9mm holes from concealed weapon on other hip. .
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Link Posted: 8/22/2017 12:08:56 PM EST
It could have been a Star Model B
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Originally Posted By warkittens:

Leftys. That explains it. Those people are always throwing the world off balance.
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They walk around in circles. Counterclockwise.

Link Posted: 8/22/2017 12:22:54 PM EST
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Originally Posted By warkittens:
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First post.

Did the OP even see a 1911? Does the OP even own a 1911? What you describe is not possible...
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 12:35:36 PM EST
It could have been converted to double action.
I saw someone open carrying a co2 revolver hammer cocked last week, so nothing shocks me anymore.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 12:48:58 PM EST
Came here to post SFS. I have one on a BHP which is very different - you can't pull back the slide without depressing the safety. Kinda cool but I know this could be problematic since I have multiple BHPs!

My LDA has a bobbed hammer which would be noticeable.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 12:53:45 PM EST
Hammer down safety on??
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 1:06:41 PM EST
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Originally Posted By JBski:
First post.

Did the OP even see a 1911? Does the OP even own a 1911? What you describe is not possible...
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Originally Posted By JBski:
Originally Posted By warkittens:
How is the safety on with the hammer down?
First post.

Did the OP even see a 1911? Does the OP even own a 1911? What you describe is not possible...
I can tell you the part of the gun I saw looked like a 1911. I own two, but other than shooting and cleaning them occasionally I don't know much about 1911's.

I even pulled mine out, and I can't put the safety on either of them without the hammer cocked.

If I ever see the guy again I am going to ask him what it is, because now it's bothering me.
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This - the safety can only engage with the hammer cocked on mine.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 1:16:09 PM EST
In thread we find out who doesn't know shit about iterations of the 1911.
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Because a regular series 70 1911 can not do that?
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Right.
Or series 80 or any other normal 1911
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 1:23:28 PM EST
The grizzled old Ranger was dressed in his best uniform and finest Stetson at a retirement barbecue with his 1911 cocked and locked at his side.

A little old lady walked up to him, pointed at his 1911, and said "Sir, do you know your gun is cocked?"

"Yes, Ma'am"

"But, Isn't that DANGEROUS?"

"Yes, Ma'am. It's a gun."

"Well, are you expecting trouble?"

"No, Ma'am. If I was expecting trouble, I'd have brought my Winchester."

"Oh, my!"
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 1:24:24 PM EST
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Originally Posted By nu3gawhat:
Yeah it shouldn't be possible.
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Originally Posted By warkittens:
How is the safety on with the hammer down?
Yeah it shouldn't be possible.
Safety Fast System IIRC. Cock and lock like normal, and physically pug the hammer down. When you thumb off the safety, the hammer pops to normal cocked.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 1:27:45 PM EST
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Originally Posted By cardboardkiller:
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More like we find out once again that most people call anything which looks something like John Browning's design a "1911".
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