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Posted: 5/7/2004 10:43:50 AM EST
They are an embarrasment to the US military for several reasons. Not only did they humiliate prisoners, apparently for sport. Now the Army is saying these two had an affair in Iraq, and she got pregnant.



From their boot camp training, and specialized MP training, they should know how to treat prisoners. From my Marine boot camp training. i recall that the basic theory that the US Military went by was that by treating prisoners humanely you made the enemy less likely to fight to the death and more likely to surrendor. It also gave the enemy reason to treat our own prisoners better. Additionally, we allways try to maintain the moral high ground in any conflict.
Link Posted: 5/7/2004 10:47:42 AM EST
I read yesterday that she was married to another guy in her unit - maybe it's him.

Either way, at least they'll have some smart, good-lookin kids.
Link Posted: 5/7/2004 10:48:56 AM EST
[Red Foreman]Dumbass!![/Red Foreman]

Hoppy8420
Link Posted: 5/7/2004 10:51:55 AM EST

Originally Posted By BayEagle:
I read yesterday that she was married to another guy in her unit - maybe it's him.




The Armies use of the term "affair" lead me to believe that although one or both of them may be married. it is not to each other. Adultery is a violation of the UCMJ and should be prosecuted.
Link Posted: 5/7/2004 10:53:15 AM EST
[Last Edit: 5/7/2004 10:54:46 AM EST by cyanide]
Finally a good picture............................ she is a babe.\

There is a pile of trash at their feet though.


EDIT where the fuck are all these pictures coming from ........... I mean how many did they take, this is starting to get strange.
I smell a Democratic dirty trick ?
Link Posted: 5/7/2004 10:55:36 AM EST
[Last Edit: 5/7/2004 10:55:56 AM EST by pathfinder74]
I heard on Fox news she is from another unit in the area, visiting her boyfriend, and that she is pregnant. Repeating what Fox said this morning, but let me save you guys some trouble.

Pregnant soldiers don't deploy and if the somehow get pregnant while deployed they are sent home, and probably face some minor UCMJ.
Link Posted: 5/7/2004 10:56:41 AM EST
I don't see any Soldiers in that picture.
Link Posted: 5/7/2004 11:08:57 AM EST

Originally Posted By pathfinder74:
I heard on Fox news she is from another unit in the area, visiting her boyfriend, and that she is pregnant. Repeating what Fox said this morning, but let me save you guys some trouble.

Pregnant soldiers don't deploy and if the somehow get pregnant while deployed they are sent home, and probably face some minor UCMJ.



Tater, she got knocked up over there and they sent her home, she is currently residing at Ft. Bragg for her Court-Martial. I bet getting knocked up (violating orders) is going to be added to the list of charges! She gets to see a new prison soon, only this one is in Kansas and she is going to be an inmate!

I wonder if she intentionally got pregnant in hopes of trying to get a leaner sentance!
Link Posted: 5/7/2004 11:09:07 AM EST

Originally Posted By pathfinder74:
Pregnant soldiers don't deploy and if the somehow get pregnant while deployed they are sent home, and probably face some minor UCMJ.



She has been sent stateside. She has also complained to her parents that she is being denied defense counsel.
Link Posted: 5/7/2004 11:13:45 AM EST
Does anyone see a pattern here
I mean why the "pictures" have surfaced.

This may be a solider trying to blackmail her way out of the service and trouble .
If this is true, she is the lowest form of life on this planet......... because she betrayed her fellow soldiers .

I am looking at this from a new angle.


Still don't really give a shit about the Arab world though.
Link Posted: 5/7/2004 11:25:47 AM EST
Hmm. That picture may be legit, but everything about it screams "FAKE" to me.
Link Posted: 5/7/2004 11:42:22 AM EST
Forgive the usage of a commie paper, but they seem to know who she is
sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2004/05/07/MNG1A6HEI81.DTL
Link Posted: 5/7/2004 12:53:01 PM EST


www.nytimes.com/2004/05/07/national/07SOLD.html

Her parents say they had enough money to help her pay for college. But Private England, 21, insisted on doing it by herself. So she joined a local unit of the Army Reserve, the 372nd, in Cresaptown, Md., to obtain college benefits from the military.

"I told her I didn't want her to do it," Mrs. England said. "But she said, `Mom, I'm going to turn 18 in a month, and I'll just sign up anyway.' She could be like that."


After high school, she worked at a chicken-processing plant and at the nearby IGA supermarket. Then, in March 2002, on what seemed almost like a whim to some of her friends, she married an old friend who worked with her at the supermarket, James L. Fike. The couple were divorced, though they remain on friendly terms, Mrs. England said in interviews this week.

"It was like, one day, she was just married," Mrs. Shoemaker-Davis said. "She walked up to me at the 7-Eleven and said, `See what I did.' They had just gone to the courthouse and did it."

While in Iraq, members of the 372nd say, Private England became romantically involved with another man implicated in the abuse scandal, Specialist Charles A. Graner. Military officials say she is pregnant and has been sent to Fort Bragg, N.C.

She has not been charged, as Specialist Graner and five other members of the 372nd have. But military investigators have called her a suspect in the abuse inquiry and continue to question her.

In Fort Ashby, the Englands have kept their yellow ribbons that signify a soldier overseas pinned to their front stoop, though Private England is now in the United States. Inside, a Christmas tree decorated with red, white and blue lights and glass bulbs will remain up until she returns home.

"She called me in January and said, `Mom, something bad has happened, but don't worry about it,' " Mrs. England recounted. "Of course, that only made me worry more. But nothing could have prepared me for this."

The Englands learned of the photographs in a particularly jarring way. The couple had just returned from a turkey-hunting trip last week when they received a message from a co-worker of Kenneth, that Lynndie's picture had been on "60 Minutes II" on CBS-TV.

The next morning, Mrs. England brewed herself a pot of coffee, snapped on CNN and there, playing over and over and over again, were Private England and the Iraqi prisoners. Mrs. England put a hand to her mouth, steadied herself and said aloud, "Oh my god."

Mrs. England says she has spoken to her daughter since then, but has learned few details. Private England has not told her that she is pregnant, and she has said the Army has refused to give her a lawyer.

Mrs. England worries that war, Iraq and Abu Ghraib have changed her daughter forever. The girl who ran into thunderstorms ducked for cover when lightning crashed outside her window recently and thought she was hearing mortar fire, her mother said.

"Some times you think you can deal with anything," Mrs. England said. "And then you find you can't deal with what you thought you could. I don't know if everything she once wanted has changed."
Link Posted: 5/7/2004 1:13:44 PM EST

Originally Posted By arowneragain:
I don't see any Soldiers in that picture.



Very well said.
Link Posted: 5/7/2004 1:17:50 PM EST

Originally Posted By AR15fan:
She has been sent stateside. She has also complained to her parents that she is being denied defense counsel.




Not a very good liar is she? She gets a free military counsel and as much civilian ones as she can buy.
Link Posted: 5/7/2004 1:24:16 PM EST
You can take the girl out of the trailerpark, but you can't take the...well, you know the rest.
Link Posted: 5/7/2004 1:25:34 PM EST
She is a HERO. Someone here needs to set up not only a defense fund, but a HERO RIFLE FUND!
Link Posted: 5/7/2004 1:29:18 PM EST

Originally Posted By Imbroglio:
She is a HERO. Someone here needs to set up not only a defense fund, but a HERO RIFLE FUND!




maybe in your eyes.

In my eyes she is a piece of shit, now we just have to wait for UCMJ to flush her down the toilet
Link Posted: 5/7/2004 1:29:30 PM EST
Americans will be murdered because of those two morons. They deserve to be executed.
Link Posted: 5/7/2004 1:32:50 PM EST
I do not see any enemy POWs either, I just see some terrorist that have no Geneva Convention protection. Fuck them I would make them disarm mines with their teeth. “Visit Iraq and help a terrorist meet Allah; hey, we just stepped in some Shiite”
Link Posted: 5/7/2004 1:34:41 PM EST
that guy with the mustache looks like a total tool
Link Posted: 5/7/2004 1:38:22 PM EST

Originally Posted By Imbroglio:
She is a HERO. Someone here needs to set up not only a defense fund, but a HERO RIFLE FUND!



I'll give her a Hero Rifle fund, a 5.56mm rifle round right between the eyes free of charge!!!
Link Posted: 5/7/2004 1:38:56 PM EST
fox is showing her family now. They're saying she was following orders and that she'd never do that stuff on her own

<tin foil hat> kerry starts to slide in the polls and then all these pics hit the media </tin foil hat>
Link Posted: 5/7/2004 1:44:03 PM EST

Originally Posted By Imbroglio:
She is a HERO. Someone here needs to set up not only a defense fund, but a HERO RIFLE FUND!



That was over the line.......

Sgtar15
Link Posted: 5/7/2004 1:48:44 PM EST
Imbroglio, heroes do not treat other humans with such hatred and disrespect. I wonder how you would feel if it was your dad, brother, uncle or best friend being treated like that. I hate the Iraqis as much as the next guy, but you are just as bad as an Iraqi , with your ignorant attitude. maxx
Link Posted: 5/7/2004 1:54:06 PM EST

Originally Posted By AR15fan:

Originally Posted By BayEagle:
I read yesterday that she was married to another guy in her unit - maybe it's him.




The Armies use of the term "affair" lead me to believe that although one or both of them may be married. it is not to each other. Adultery is a violation of the UCMJ and should be prosecuted.


Fuck yea . Too bad they don't do it . Hell I had USCG MP'S walk in on my wife and the guy she worked with , and they didn't do dick to either one of them .
Link Posted: 5/7/2004 1:55:50 PM EST

Originally Posted By maxx68:
Imbroglio, heroes do not treat other humans with such hatred and disrespect. I wonder how you would feel if it was your dad, brother, uncle or best friend being treated like that. I hate the Iraqis as much as the next guy, but you are just as bad as an Iraqi , with your ignorant attitude. maxx



She was acting upon the best information available at the time against those who hate our freedoms. The soldiers facing possible court martial were doing nothing different than goes on at skull & bones meetings or other fraternity hazings in this country. These soldiers who get shot at every day must be allowed to blow of steam and a few incidents of forced copulation or sodomy of prisoners is a small price to pay to keep this country free from the threat of terrorism.

Peace be with you.
Link Posted: 5/7/2004 1:57:25 PM EST
Wow another pregnant women in the army... I thought that since somebody took a picture of a girl in the war zone playing army (and getting her bones broken) that proponents of women in the army had been "vindicated".
Link Posted: 5/7/2004 2:04:12 PM EST
[Last Edit: 5/7/2004 2:05:41 PM EST by nightstalker]

Originally Posted By Imbroglio:
She is a HERO. Someone here needs to set up not only a defense fund, but a HERO RIFLE FUND!



Be our guest. What's the address?

edit: we'll let you engrave it and sign it.
Link Posted: 5/7/2004 2:06:28 PM EST
[Last Edit: 5/7/2004 2:09:31 PM EST by edpmedic]
I thought there were 6 involved and 2 Civies? How come so much attention to just these 2?

Also Imbroglio you pissed you didn't get a rifle or something?

Link Posted: 5/7/2004 2:57:43 PM EST

Originally Posted By Imbroglio:
She is a HERO. Someone here needs to set up not only a defense fund, but a HERO RIFLE FUND!



Heroes kill terrorists in combat; only sadistic cowards dress unarmed, captive terrorists in panties for their amusement. Heroes also do not cause irreparable damage to their nation's reputation.
Link Posted: 5/7/2004 3:05:16 PM EST

Originally Posted By Paul:

Originally Posted By AR15fan:
She has been sent stateside. She has also complained to her parents that she is being denied defense counsel.




Not a very good liar is she? She gets a free military counsel and as much civilian ones as she can buy.



I believe that she will not get legal counsel until she has been charged with an offense that will result in a courts-martial. Until then, it's an administrative investigation and she will have no representation. That's the way I understand it works.

tachyon
Link Posted: 5/7/2004 3:24:48 PM EST

Originally Posted By sharky30:
...They're saying she was following orders ...


Where have I heard that expression before?

This was a pointless, self-inflicted injury that is going to make our military’s job in Iraq even harder. I hope she and everyone else involved winds up doing some serious jail time!!


Originally Posted By AR15fan:
… She has also complained to her parents that she is being denied defense counsel.


I wonder if she ever complained about the Iraqi prisoners not having defense counsels?
Link Posted: 5/7/2004 4:03:58 PM EST
I just finished reading the report that was written on this whole mess. I'd love to know who leaked that to the press. If this report is true, the rot goes a lot further than just these two.

See for yourself:

www.agonist.org/annex/taguba.htm

G
Link Posted: 5/7/2004 4:07:53 PM EST

Originally Posted By grognard1:
I just finished reading the report that was written on this whole mess. I'd love to know who leaked that to the press. If this report is true, the rot goes a lot further than just these two.

See for yourself:

www.agonist.org/annex/taguba.htm

G



It is clear that the report was written by DU. This whole incident is an attempt at the democrats and DU to get people not to support the troops. From the looks of it here, they are succeeding.
Link Posted: 5/7/2004 4:11:43 PM EST
I don't know but something ain't right. I cant put my finger on it, but something just isn't right about this whole abuse then take pics of it so somebody will find out scandal.


BRONZ
Link Posted: 5/7/2004 4:16:00 PM EST
Ya know what, when I was a guard MP on a year's call up to do LE work on a base I let it be known that I would despise anyone who beat someone in handcuffs. No one I liked (and/or liked me) did so. The ones that did I held in low regard.

I hold those two in low regard. That being said: 1) they were picking on people who had some bad times coming; and 2) they were asked to soften the people up by MIs; and 3) they had no leadership, from the Iraq level down to their platoon (per the 15-5 report).

Link Posted: 5/7/2004 4:23:01 PM EST
Link Posted: 5/7/2004 4:33:36 PM EST

Originally Posted By Wave:

Originally Posted By Imbroglio:
She is a HERO. Someone here needs to set up not only a defense fund, but a HERO RIFLE FUND!



you're a dick.



You are a friend.
Link Posted: 5/7/2004 4:42:18 PM EST
Link Posted: 5/7/2004 4:48:06 PM EST

Originally Posted By Imbroglio:

Originally Posted By Wave:

Originally Posted By Imbroglio:
She is a HERO. Someone here needs to set up not only a defense fund, but a HERO RIFLE FUND!



you're a dick.



You are a friend.



Link Posted: 5/7/2004 4:48:24 PM EST

Originally Posted By RBAD:

Originally Posted By Wave:

Originally Posted By Imbroglio:
She is a HERO. Someone here needs to set up not only a defense fund, but a HERO RIFLE FUND!



you're a dick.



Hey Wave, try not to take this @#$%^&*)( 's remarks too seriously.


I STILL feel like an asshole for standing by Imbroglio. We should have left him PERMANENTLY BANNED when we had him locked out.

Once a "designated" dick & shit-stirring troll, always one !





You are my friend too.
Link Posted: 5/7/2004 4:48:28 PM EST
[Last Edit: 5/7/2004 4:56:58 PM EST by Happyshooter]

Originally Posted By RBAD:

Originally Posted By Wave:

Originally Posted By Imbroglio:
She is a HERO. Someone here needs to set up not only a defense fund, but a HERO RIFLE FUND!



you're a dick.



Hey Wave, try not to take this @#$%^&*)( 's remarks too seriously.


I STILL feel like an asshole for standing by Imbroglio. We should have left him PERMANENTLY BANNED when we had him locked out.

Once a "designated" dick & shit-stirring troll, always one !





Wow, he sure is evil for pointing out that we here on arf got sucked in by the what-was-her-ass was a 'hero' story, thanks to rummy and the lie squad, at the same time that we ignored the real heros that day.

It's almost like imbro is reminding us not to get carried away with what the media and the wash elite want us to feel with regard to these reservists (and ignore the CIA and the MI connection, as well as the overall failure of the mission and the rising cost of fuel).
Link Posted: 5/7/2004 4:54:40 PM EST

Originally Posted By Imbroglio:
She is a HERO. Someone here needs to set up not only a defense fund, but a HERO RIFLE FUND!



Quite wry, Imbro, quite wry. The newbies here don't remember the Hero Rifle Fund for Jessica....what was her name again? And did she ever get one?.....

It's ironic how the two best (!) and worst personalities, at least of the most well-known personalities, in this war are enlisted and female. And both from WV. (Just an observation.) No generals, no Stormin' Norman.

A war that seems to be short of heroes, at least from the media's POV....
Link Posted: 5/7/2004 4:54:44 PM EST
[Last Edit: 5/7/2004 4:59:04 PM EST by tommytrauma]

Originally Posted By cyanide:
Finally a good picture............................ she is a babe.\

There is a pile of trash at their feet though.


EDIT where the fuck are all these pictures coming from ........... I mean how many did they take, this is starting to get strange.
I smell a Democratic dirty trick ?



Dude, if you consider her a babe, I'd hate to see what you call ugly.



Link Posted: 5/7/2004 4:57:05 PM EST
I wish that all of these pricks that were stupid enough (#1 to be mean to the prisoners and #2 to get photographed doing it) could be stripped naked, spray painted flourescent orange, and turned loose in the middle of the night in the roughest part of Fallujah.

The 99.99999% of our soldiers who are good folks are fighting and dying over there to insure our freedom, protect the USA from terrorism, and help the Iraquis have some semblance of a decent life. Then here goes these asshats.
Link Posted: 5/7/2004 4:58:23 PM EST
It's quite possible Michael Moore promised these guards that if they did these things and filmed them and helped bring down the administration of GWB that he would make them stars in his next documentary. A new adminstration with Kerry would pardon them and then reveal it was all done for the good of the people and to help us get out of Vietnam er...Iraq as soon as possible regardless of the outcome.
Link Posted: 5/7/2004 4:59:19 PM EST

Originally Posted By tommytrauma:

Dude, if you consider her a babe, I'd hate to see what you call ugly.




Ok, so she looks like Alfalfa, but that is besides the point.
Link Posted: 5/7/2004 5:03:27 PM EST
[Last Edit: 5/7/2004 5:04:10 PM EST by Happyshooter]

Originally Posted By Kodiak-AK:

Originally Posted By AR15fan:

Originally Posted By BayEagle:
I read yesterday that she was married to another guy in her unit - maybe it's him.




The Armies use of the term "affair" lead me to believe that although one or both of them may be married. it is not to each other. Adultery is a violation of the UCMJ and should be prosecuted.


Fuck yea . Too bad they don't do it . Hell I had USCG MP'S walk in on my wife and the guy she worked with , and they didn't do dick to either one of them .



During my year as a (drafted) guard MP on active LE duty, we proudly busted all wives screwing around on their husbands. We had mostly been in the real military, and we wanted to do the right thing.

Then there was the time that a wife filed charges on hubby for hitting her, and in the course of taking her follow-up statment she admitted that during the argument she she yelled at him "do you want to fuck me in the ass faggot?", so I amended the incident report (and thus the blotter) to show both as accused, her for soliciting anal sex in violation of some specification of the MCM (and there is a specific MP report offence code, no kidding, for enlisted to enlisted solicitation of anal sex).
Link Posted: 5/7/2004 5:03:50 PM EST

Originally Posted By maxx68:
Imbroglio, heroes do not treat other humans with such hatred and disrespect. I wonder how you would feel if it was your dad, brother, uncle or best friend being treated like that. I hate the Iraqis as much as the next guy, but you are just as bad as an Iraqi , with your ignorant attitude. maxx



He was mocking us, maxx68. He doesn't consider them heroes.

Back when private Lynch was rescued, some people talked about buying her a rifle as a gift.
Link Posted: 5/8/2004 7:14:19 AM EST

Originally Posted By tommytrauma:

Originally Posted By cyanide:
Finally a good picture............................ she is a babe.\

There is a pile of trash at their feet though.


EDIT where the fuck are all these pictures coming from ........... I mean how many did they take, this is starting to get strange.
I smell a Democratic dirty trick ?



Dude, if you consider her a babe, I'd hate to see what you call ugly.

upl.silentwhisper.net/uplfolders/upload4/mn_prisonabuse_leashedman_ap.jpg

upl.silentwhisper.net/uplfolders/upload4/mn_lynnengland-mug.jpg




MY EYES!!!! Damn, she's uglier than a mud fence. Does it call her father "Uncle Dad" ?
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