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Posted: 12/24/2003 5:10:06 PM EDT
Does this make me a bad guy? I have always hated the thought of these being the weapons that kill our soldiers. Communist crap to me made by slaves.

Flame Away Men! I know they function, but are still commie guns. By the way I will pay more for an American made gun/product any day.

COZ

PS: MERRY CHRISTMAS TO YOU ALL!


Link Posted: 12/24/2003 5:11:29 PM EDT
Just think of an AK as a Lays potato chip. CW
Link Posted: 12/24/2003 5:17:06 PM EDT
I never liked them until I recently bought a pre-ban Norinco off a guy at work. AKs are as bad as ARs... you just can't have one. Variety is the spice of life, they say.
Link Posted: 12/24/2003 5:24:18 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/24/2003 5:24:58 PM EDT by MAC-DADDY]
Originally Posted By COZ: Does this make me a bad guy? I have always hated the thought of these being the weapons that kill our soldiers. Communist crap to me made by slaves. Flame Away Men! I know they function, but are still commie guns. By the way I will pay more for an American made gun/product any day. COZ
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If you ever even HOLD one you will change your mind.But hey,I love ALL KINDS of guns. Who was it that said that using ones enemies weapons against them is the most horrible thing you can do to them?
Link Posted: 12/24/2003 5:26:42 PM EDT
I tried to buy one. However I was used to the precision, well-built feel of the ARs and couldn't get over the rattling feel of the AK. Instead I left with another AR.
Link Posted: 12/24/2003 5:30:34 PM EDT
I adore them.
Link Posted: 12/24/2003 5:40:56 PM EDT
... I know what you mean [b]COZ[/b]. ... Years ago I used to despised the [b]HIND-D[/b] built by Rostverto (Russia) and Progress Arseneyev Aviation Co (Russian as well) for the same reasons. ... For me, I took serious pride in developing armament (AH-64 Apache at the time) that would allow our soldiers to decimate our enemy. ... Then one day a HIND-D landed on the tarmac, not too far from my office. By whomever I'll never know. It was done for us engineers to crawl over and take notes. ... It affected me differently than many of my peers, for a fleeting moment I thought of the shmuck like me, half way around the world, speaking Russian, helping his kids with school and I experienced a profound epiphany at that moment. ... Make no mistake, I perform to the absolute best of my ability to design and manufacture superior weapons of war for our soldiers so that we can enjoy our way of life. ... But it was a moving moment nonetheless.
Link Posted: 12/24/2003 5:44:01 PM EDT
Originally Posted By MAC-DADDY:
Originally Posted By COZ: Does this make me a bad guy? I have always hated the thought of these being the weapons that kill our soldiers. Communist crap to me made by slaves. Flame Away Men! I know they function, but are still commie guns. By the way I will pay more for an American made gun/product any day. COZ
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If you ever even HOLD one you will change your mind.But hey,I love ALL KINDS of guns. Who was it that said that using ones enemies weapons against them is the most horrible thing you can do to them?
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I shot one once, just couldn't get that thought out of my head. It would definately be good to have one behind enemy lines. I seen somewhere that our troops liked them for close in work but accurate far off work the AR is the one to go with. COZ
Link Posted: 12/24/2003 5:51:39 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Winston_Wolf: ... I know what you mean [b]COZ[/b]. ... Years ago I used to despised the [b]HIND-D[/b] built by Rostverto (Russia) and Progress Arseneyev Aviation Co (Russian as well) for the same reasons. ... For me, I took serious pride in developing armament (AH-64 Apache at the time) that would allow our soldiers to decimate our enemy. ... Then one day a HIND-D landed on the tarmac, not too far from my office. By whomever I'll never know. It was done for us engineers to crawl over and take notes. ... It affected me differently than many of my peers, for a fleeting moment I thought of the shmuck like me, half way around the world, speaking Russian, helping his kids with school and I experienced a profound epiphany at that moment. ... Make no mistake, I perform to the absolute best of my ability to design and manufacture superior weapons of war for our soldiers so that we can enjoy our way of life. ... But it was a moving moment nonetheless.
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Now a Hind is a different story, That thing is a friggin tank with rotors! Very Impressive, The size is whats wild to me, Its huge! BUUUUUUUUUUUUT........An Apache is an awesome weapons platform. My brother worked on Apaches, He likes to argue with the Cobra guys about the differences. He says the Cobra is an Attack Helicopter but the Apache is a Weapons Platform.
Link Posted: 12/24/2003 6:26:36 PM EDT
Guns don't kill people... people with guns kill people... So hate the Vietcong or whomever used it to hurt our men, don't hate an inanimate object.
Link Posted: 12/24/2003 6:33:45 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/24/2003 6:34:52 PM EDT by tivoli410]
I got nothing against the SAR series, but I dont get the more expensive AK's. Everyone should have a SAR. I have a SAR1, but I dont have any "drive" to purchase any other AK's. Once you got one, your done. AR's on the other hand... YMMV
Link Posted: 12/24/2003 6:35:52 PM EDT
LOL, think so Tivoli? SAR1 SAR2 SA93 Romak 2 Bulgarian 74 Krinkov Its an addiction... have three kits left to build as well!
Link Posted: 12/24/2003 6:37:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/24/2003 6:40:17 PM EDT by captainpooby]
[img]http://photos.ar15.com/ImageGallery/Attachments/DownloadAttach.asp?iImageUnq=6819[/img] Bite me. I love mine. I got to shake his hand too.[:D]
Link Posted: 12/24/2003 6:40:09 PM EDT
Originally Posted By HiramRanger: LOL, think so Tivoli? SAR1 SAR2 SA93 Romak 2 Bulgarian 74 Krinkov Its an addiction... have three kits left to build as well!
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well, I might want a SAR2 one day.. [:D]
Link Posted: 12/24/2003 6:44:01 PM EDT
I find it difficult to be mad at an inanimate object. I've never seen one just jump off a table, load itself and kill any soldiers under it's own power. As with any weapon, ideology and party affiliation ends where the finger meets the trigger. It's a lump of steel and wood that's only dangerous in the hands of those who wish to harm our troops. Like any soviet-era invention, it's designed to be mass produced, simple to service, and take a beating. While not a specification, it probably makes a good makeshift oar, a shovel, or a club in between ammo purchases.
Link Posted: 12/24/2003 6:48:38 PM EDT
MMMMMMMMM...AK.
Link Posted: 12/24/2003 6:52:22 PM EDT
If you dont like the quality of the ak's currently being sold. Put one together yourself thats what i did. My commie designed but domesticaly built bulgarian is quite snazzy if i say so myself. [img]http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2002-12/57638/JGVSYOCRYZPXGHHJNSJG-MVC-150S.JPG [/img]
Link Posted: 12/24/2003 6:59:44 PM EDT
Our troops use captured AK's in Iraq. Should we hate those rifles too? Sometimes you need an extremely reliable, virtually indestructible, totally inaccurate weapon.
Link Posted: 12/24/2003 7:07:21 PM EDT
Originally Posted By captainpooby: [url]http://photos.ar15.com/ImageGallery/Attachments/DownloadAttach.asp?iImageUnq=6819[/url] Bite me. I love mine. I got to shake his hand too.[:D]
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Now that truly is impressive!The designer of the most succesful battle rifle ever designed on the face of the planet Earth.He is right there with John Garand and Moses Browning.Genus knows not political bounds.It just is.
Link Posted: 12/24/2003 7:11:48 PM EDT
AK's kick ass.
Link Posted: 12/24/2003 7:14:54 PM EDT
Originally Posted By captainpooby: [url]http://photos.ar15.com/ImageGallery/Attachments/DownloadAttach.asp?iImageUnq=6819[/url] Bite me. I love mine. I got to shake his hand too.[:D]
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... What a way kewl experience [b]captainpooby[/b], I'm jealous!
Link Posted: 12/24/2003 7:22:58 PM EDT
Check out his tie clip. Wish we could have spoke but I was dumbfounded and speechles. His interpreter was young Russian hottie.
Link Posted: 12/24/2003 7:23:37 PM EDT
No self respecting SUR enthusiast would be without one. I don't have one yet. I keep putting off buying one. I hate myself.
Link Posted: 12/24/2003 7:24:21 PM EDT
Originally Posted By captainpooby: [url]http://photos.ar15.com/ImageGallery/Attachments/DownloadAttach.asp?iImageUnq=6819[/url] Bite me. I love mine. I got to shake his hand too.[:D]
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I like his tie clasp. [:)]
Link Posted: 12/24/2003 7:29:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/24/2003 7:34:34 PM EDT by panzersergeant]
Originally Posted By dinkydow:
Originally Posted By captainpooby: [url]http://photos.ar15.com/ImageGallery/Attachments/DownloadAttach.asp?iImageUnq=6819[/url] Bite me. I love mine. I got to shake his hand too.[:D]
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Now that truly is impressive!The designer of the most succesful battle rifle ever designed on the face of the planet Earth.He is right there with John Garand and Moses Browning.Genus knows not political bounds.It just is.
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Kalashnikov is a simple soldier who built a simple rifle that has stood the test of time. It is a shame he does not hold the patent to it. From what I understand, he has not benefited financially from his creation. The man should be a multi-millionaire by this time. For that matter, I don't believe John Garand holds a patent on his M1 either, as he was a federal employee during the time he developed his rifle. It was just part of his job. As far as my SAR-1 goes, I shoot it way more than my Bushmaster. As for accuracy, I have no problem knocking down man-size targets out to 300 yards.
Link Posted: 12/24/2003 7:38:56 PM EDT
Originally Posted By captainpooby: Check out his tie clip. Wish we could have spoke but I was dumbfounded and speechles. [red]His interpreter was young Russian hottie.[/red]
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This thread is worthless without Russian hottie pics.
Link Posted: 12/24/2003 7:39:26 PM EDT
M y SAR 2 does fist sized groups at 100yds. I would never need to shoot it farther.
Link Posted: 12/24/2003 7:44:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/24/2003 7:46:34 PM EDT by Cold_Warrior]
Originally Posted By COZ:
Originally Posted By Winston_Wolf: ... I know what you mean [b]COZ[/b]. ... Years ago I used to despised the [b]HIND-D[/b] built by Rostverto (Russia) and Progress Arseneyev Aviation Co (Russian as well) for the same reasons. ... For me, I took serious pride in developing armament (AH-64 Apache at the time) that would allow our soldiers to decimate our enemy. ... Then one day a HIND-D landed on the tarmac, not too far from my office. By whomever I'll never know. It was done for us engineers to crawl over and take notes. ... It affected me differently than many of my peers, for a fleeting moment I thought of the shmuck like me, half way around the world, speaking Russian, helping his kids with school and I experienced a profound epiphany at that moment. ... Make no mistake, I perform to the absolute best of my ability to design and manufacture superior weapons of war for our soldiers so that we can enjoy our way of life. ... But it was a moving moment nonetheless.
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Now a Hind is a different story, That thing is a friggin tank with rotors! Very Impressive, The size is whats wild to me, Its huge! BUUUUUUUUUUUUT........An Apache is an awesome weapons platform. My brother worked on Apaches, He likes to argue with the Cobra guys about the differences. He says the Cobra is an Attack Helicopter but the Apache is a Weapons Platform.
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No, this is a weapons platform... [url]http://members.tripod.com/~allen8633/[/url] [url]http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/8758/[/url] CW
Link Posted: 12/24/2003 7:45:11 PM EDT
[b]Offspring[/b], if all the AKs you've handled have felt like cheap, rattley pieces of sh*t... [img]http://www.lslproducts.com/MilledVEPR.jpg[/img] ...you just ain't handled the right AK yet!
Link Posted: 12/24/2003 7:49:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/24/2003 7:51:34 PM EDT by Cold_Warrior]
Originally Posted By COZ:
Originally Posted By MAC-DADDY:
Originally Posted By COZ: Does this make me a bad guy? I have always hated the thought of these being the weapons that kill our soldiers. Communist crap to me made by slaves. Flame Away Men! I know they function, but are still commie guns. By the way I will pay more for an American made gun/product any day. COZ
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If you ever even HOLD one you will change your mind.But hey,I love ALL KINDS of guns. Who was it that said that using ones enemies weapons against them is the most horrible thing you can do to them?
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I shot one once, just couldn't get that thought out of my head. It would definately be good to have one behind enemy lines. I seen somewhere that our troops liked them for close in work[red] but accurate far off work the AR is the one to go with[/red]. COZ
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Try one of these... [url]http://www.cjdstudios.com/svdaction/svdcamo.jpg[/url] [url]http://www.cjdstudios.com/svdaction/svdaim.jpg[/url] [url]http://www.cjdstudios.com/svdaction/svdinsnow1.jpg[/url] CW
Link Posted: 12/24/2003 7:51:18 PM EDT
Yea I know what you mean about the AK it sucks having something that is as relible as the sun rising every morning, you just got to hate that. But then again my AR's are the same way too.
Link Posted: 12/24/2003 7:57:16 PM EDT
Crap, not more of this "Ak is commie" stuff. Well, I wish I had a dollar for every deer that has been taken with an SKS (I'm not the only one who lives somewhere that a SKS serves as a redneck deer rifle am I?). And that's a commie gun as well right? Don't know, either way I still like having AK's in my collection. Why? Because I like collecting guns. And especially military guns. I prefer my AR15's. But AK's are fun to shoot as well. No reason not to own both! BTW, have you tried the 5.45 AK74? MUCH more accurate then the 7.62X39 AK's. And more fun too shoot.
Link Posted: 12/24/2003 8:06:48 PM EDT
Congrats pooby. That's a celebrity encounter worth bragging about.
Link Posted: 12/24/2003 8:14:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/24/2003 8:16:28 PM EDT by Cpt_Redleg]
Glad to see I'm not the only one that likes the 5.45x39.5 cartridge. I love mine. It's also worth noting that part of the weakness in the AK accuracy is the open sights. I put a Kobra on one of my SAR2s and it's shooting about 2" at 100 yards. With the 3.5x20 scope, it's near MOA. Debating getting a Red Star Arms trigger group for it. None of my ARs has seen the light of days in months with my new addiction to the SAR2 and the 5.45 round. Now if only there were some higher quality ammo available. Cpt. Redleg
Link Posted: 12/24/2003 8:21:32 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Cold_Warrior:
Originally Posted By COZ:
Originally Posted By Winston_Wolf: ... I know what you mean [b]COZ[/b]. ... Years ago I used to despised the [b]HIND-D[/b] built by Rostverto (Russia) and Progress Arseneyev Aviation Co (Russian as well) for the same reasons. ... For me, I took serious pride in developing armament (AH-64 Apache at the time) that would allow our soldiers to decimate our enemy. ... Then one day a HIND-D landed on the tarmac, not too far from my office. By whomever I'll never know. It was done for us engineers to crawl over and take notes. ... It affected me differently than many of my peers, for a fleeting moment I thought of the shmuck like me, half way around the world, speaking Russian, helping his kids with school and I experienced a profound epiphany at that moment. ... Make no mistake, I perform to the absolute best of my ability to design and manufacture superior weapons of war for our soldiers so that we can enjoy our way of life. ... But it was a moving moment nonetheless.
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Now a Hind is a different story, That thing is a friggin tank with rotors! Very Impressive, The size is whats wild to me, Its huge! BUUUUUUUUUUUUT........An Apache is an awesome weapons platform. My brother worked on Apaches, He likes to argue with the Cobra guys about the differences. He says the Cobra is an Attack Helicopter but the Apache is a Weapons Platform.
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No, this is a weapons platform... [url]http://members.tripod.com/~allen8633/[/url] [url]http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/8758/[/url] CW
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... You don't wanna play one upmanship with me! ... Ohio Class baby, Ohio! [img]http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/usa/slbm/ohio-dvic114.jpg[/img]
Link Posted: 12/24/2003 8:26:19 PM EDT
Try an Israeli AK [;)] [img]http://photos.ar15.com/ImageGallery/Attachments/DownloadAttach.asp?iImageUnq=15041[/img]
Link Posted: 12/24/2003 8:27:50 PM EDT
[img]http://boot.co.kr/wonhor_home/newhome/photos/library/img/eugene.jpg[/img] Who do you think would win in a gunfight gene stoner or kalishnakof?
Link Posted: 12/24/2003 10:00:43 PM EDT
I really like AK's and SKS rifles! commies make reliable weapons! America is famous for "Coka-Cola" Russians are famous for "KALASHNIKOVA"
Link Posted: 12/24/2003 10:02:07 PM EDT
Originally Posted By rugerman1022: [url]http://boot.co.kr/wonhor_home/newhome/photos/library/img/eugene.jpg[/url] Who do you think would win in a gunfight gene stoner or kalishnakof?
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... Gene Stoner
Link Posted: 12/24/2003 10:03:19 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Winston_Wolf:
Originally Posted By Cold_Warrior:
Originally Posted By COZ:
Originally Posted By Winston_Wolf: ... I know what you mean [b]COZ[/b]. ... Years ago I used to despised the [b]HIND-D[/b] built by Rostverto (Russia) and Progress Arseneyev Aviation Co (Russian as well) for the same reasons. ... For me, I took serious pride in developing armament (AH-64 Apache at the time) that would allow our soldiers to decimate our enemy. ... Then one day a HIND-D landed on the tarmac, not too far from my office. By whomever I'll never know. It was done for us engineers to crawl over and take notes. ... It affected me differently than many of my peers, for a fleeting moment I thought of the shmuck like me, half way around the world, speaking Russian, helping his kids with school and I experienced a profound epiphany at that moment. ... Make no mistake, I perform to the absolute best of my ability to design and manufacture superior weapons of war for our soldiers so that we can enjoy our way of life. ... But it was a moving moment nonetheless.
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Now a Hind is a different story, That thing is a friggin tank with rotors! Very Impressive, The size is whats wild to me, Its huge! BUUUUUUUUUUUUT........An Apache is an awesome weapons platform. My brother worked on Apaches, He likes to argue with the Cobra guys about the differences. He says the Cobra is an Attack Helicopter but the Apache is a Weapons Platform.
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No, this is a weapons platform... [url]http://members.tripod.com/~allen8633/[/url] [url]http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/8758/[/url] CW
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... You don't wanna play one upmanship with me! ... Ohio Class baby, Ohio! [url]http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/usa/slbm/ohio-dvic114.jpg[/url]
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I was kinda hoping we could go thru a few more iterations, but it would have ended up as you say. I worked on the D-5 warhead bus and got briefed on the damage estimates as part of another project. Bottom line, don't send the launch command unless you mean it. Definitely the ultimate weapons platform that the human race has devised so far. CW
Link Posted: 12/24/2003 10:05:26 PM EDT
Originally Posted By rugerman1022: [url]http://boot.co.kr/wonhor_home/newhome/photos/library/img/eugene.jpg[/url] Who do you think would win in a gunfight gene stoner or kalishnakof?
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Pretty awesome picture, each of the "Greats" holding the others creation. .. and I'm going with Kalashnikov
Link Posted: 12/24/2003 10:18:04 PM EDT
Great pics! Since I bought my Poly Tech Underfolder for 700.00. I'm Happy and that's all that matters to me.
Link Posted: 12/24/2003 10:38:20 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/24/2003 10:42:44 PM EDT by Lockedon]
Originally Posted By rugerman1022: [url]http://boot.co.kr/wonhor_home/newhome/photos/library/img/eugene.jpg[/url] Who do you think would win in a gunfight gene stoner or kalishnakof?
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I'd say the M16 Kalishnakov is holding would jam, and Eugene would be baffled how you're possibly supposed to load that AK. Since both of them have still their original bayonet which are not for the guns they're holding, it would come down to whoever swing or buttstroke the other harder... Edited to add: it seems like gene has the size advantage, however the AK is much lighter than that 20" M16 kali has, therefore it will have less momentum than the AR. The result of that being that gene is required to perhaps use mulitiple hits against kali, whereas he could take out stoner in one well-placed hit. (he'd probably need a stool for that) P.S. Thats a really amazing picutre...so saved!
Link Posted: 12/24/2003 10:46:04 PM EDT
Originally Posted By rugerman1022: [url]http://boot.co.kr/wonhor_home/newhome/photos/library/img/eugene.jpg[/url] Who do you think would win in a gunfight gene stoner or kalishnakof?
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Is it just me or does ES look PO'ed in that pic?It's like he doesn't like MK OR this AK-47(or it could just be bad timing of the photo)
Link Posted: 12/24/2003 11:06:26 PM EDT
Everybody else in the world likes/rely's them, YOU must be one of those 'uppity" sorts.[;)]
Link Posted: 12/24/2003 11:13:01 PM EDT
Originally Posted By mags: Everybody else in the world likes/rely's them, YOU must be one of those 'uppity" sorts.[;)]
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[img]http://www2.freepichosting.com/Images/120037/0.jpg[/img] [tweedybird]"he don't know me vea-we well;do he?"[/tweetybird]
Link Posted: 12/24/2003 11:18:36 PM EDT
Originally Posted By HiramRanger: Guns don't kill people... people with guns kill people... So hate the Vietcong or whomever used it to hurt our men, don't hate an inanimate object.
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There you go. Just a tool. I do understand where he is coming from though. But I don't let it keep me from buying commie guns. I think I own more commie guns than other kinds.
Link Posted: 12/25/2003 12:04:36 AM EDT
Originally Posted By ShamusMcOI: Well, I wish I had a dollar for every deer that has been taken with an SKS (I'm not the only one who lives somewhere that a SKS serves as a redneck deer rifle am I?).
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Ha! So true
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