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Posted: 7/20/2010 1:22:48 PM EDT
I gave my dad a few of my new bravo co. USGI mags to test.
He asked me where I got them. I told him they were 8 bucks a piece, and that I also ordered C products mags for 8 bucks a piece. I told him the quantity I ordered. Well, he says, "well son, I hate it when you spend your money on gun stuff, but the day will come again when those cost 50 bucks a piece, so at least you made a smart investment." That was yesterday. Today he calls me, and says, "Don't you DARE order that Colt AR15 you want!" I was just about to drive to the local dealer and let them know what's coming before submitting the order. fffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu  |
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Posted: 7/20/2010 1:26:21 PM EDT
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I'm confused... are you 18 or older?
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Posted: 7/20/2010 1:29:12 PM EDT
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I think dad told him more like
Then he's gonna want to borrow it. |
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Posted: 7/20/2010 1:30:56 PM EDT
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Quoted: I'm confused... are you 18 or older? Yes. I can afford the rifle, but if the shit hits the fan, it would be better to have that money in savings. I take the advice of my parents seriously, since more often than not, they're right.  He's also pissed that the rifles I own and intend to buy are the exact rifles/models that he already owns and can easily borrow. He owns a pristine DCM M1. I just bought a CMP M1. He owns a Colt AR6601. I'm about ready to buy a Colt MT6601. |
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Posted: 7/20/2010 1:32:26 PM EDT
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Good on you for respecting your parents! That being said, its your money, buy what you want with it.
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Posted: 7/20/2010 1:34:34 PM EDT
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I'm going to wait until the end of the week to make the decision. I want 1500 in the bank for a rainy day.
I could be laid off at the end of this week, giving me 1200 in savings and no ammo if I buy the rifle. If I continue work until the summer camp is over, then I will have 1800 in savings minus ammo. After ammo, I'll be at my 1500 in savings mark, or half of what I've earned this summer. |
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Posted: 7/20/2010 1:35:28 PM EDT
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Do it anyways. Worst case scenerio they make you join a marching ba.......
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Posted: 7/20/2010 1:36:23 PM EDT
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I need to stop being honest with my parents Maybe it is time to move out and get your own place instead! |
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Posted: 7/20/2010 1:37:03 PM EDT
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Agreed...it's your monry...buy what you want
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Posted: 7/20/2010 1:37:33 PM EDT
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Quoted: Do it anyways. Worst case scenerio they make you join a marching ba.......  |
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Posted: 7/20/2010 1:38:26 PM EDT
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I'm going to wait until the end of the week to make the decision. I want 1500 in the bank for a rainy day. I could be laid off at the end of this week, giving me 1200 in savings and no ammo if I buy the rifle. If I continue work until the summer camp is over, then I will have 1800 in savings minus ammo. After ammo, I'll be at my 1500 in savings mark, or half of what I've earned this summer. You may be about to lose your job, but you are willing to spend half your savings on a rifle? |
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Posted: 7/20/2010 1:39:46 PM EDT
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Do it anyways. Worst case scenerio they make you join a marching ba.......  
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Posted: 7/20/2010 1:40:01 PM EDT
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As a 21 year old , i understand where your coming from, i hate these decisions
wish i could just win the lottery. |
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Posted: 7/20/2010 1:40:13 PM EDT
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I need to stop being honest with my parents Maybe it is time to move out and get your own place instead! +1 |
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Posted: 7/20/2010 1:40:37 PM EDT
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Good on you for respecting your parents! That being said, its your money, buy what you want with it. QFT /thread |
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Posted: 7/20/2010 1:40:42 PM EDT
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Quoted: It's temporary work for a summer camp on campus. The money could go towards a number of things. Quoted: I'm going to wait until the end of the week to make the decision. I want 1500 in the bank for a rainy day. I could be laid off at the end of this week, giving me 1200 in savings and no ammo if I buy the rifle. If I continue work until the summer camp is over, then I will have 1800 in savings minus ammo. After ammo, I'll be at my 1500 in savings mark, or half of what I've earned this summer. You may be about to lose your job, but you are willing to spend half your savings on a rifle? Better food. alcohol engagement ring. rifle I've wanted since age 4. Yeah, I like ramen, I don't want to become an alcoholic. I do not intend to indulge my GF in an engagement ring for the time being, and I've wanted this damned rifle since I saw my dad cleaning his when I was four years old. |
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Posted: 7/20/2010 1:40:44 PM EDT
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My parents drive me crazy about stuff like that too, but they're right more often than not.
Its better to move out than to lie to them, thats what I'm doing. |
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Posted: 7/20/2010 1:43:02 PM EDT
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Agreed...it's your monry...buy what you want Wrong, parents house, parents rules. |
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Posted: 7/20/2010 1:47:37 PM EDT
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There are a number of things they've talked me out of.
Setting up a reloading bench in a 400 square foot apartment (promised to load me whatever I want to avoid this). Building a vietnam AR clone (he wanted me to buy an A2 rifle instead) Here's what my dad did not talk me out of. M1 Garand. Lots and lots of USGI magazines for the AR15. Nodak lower (when I was 18, a week before the ATF form change making this illegal). LPK. Geissele Trigger that bigbore offered me at a discount. At this point, I want to shoot NRA high power. I have one rifle that is capable. I would prefer to use an AR15, since ammo is cheaper and it's easier to shoot. The correct answer would have been to buy the AR15 first, but they still make AR15's. Also, another thing that alarmed him was I talked him into buying 200 rounds of prvi partizan 75 grain match, and keep asking him if he's tested it yet. This probably alarmed him to the fact I might buy a rifle and prvi ammo, without his knowledge at all. |
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Posted: 7/20/2010 1:49:03 PM EDT
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My dad is kinda the same way, He equates security and preparedness to having "money in the bank"... I commonly refer to that as "numbers on a screen". He would rather have his pantry bare and have 200K in the bank than have a closet full of food and gear and only 100K in the bank.
I keep some money in the bank, I also have tons of food, water, guns, ammo, camping / survival stuff that will come in much more handy in a SHTF than knowing that I have tons of money in a bank account somewhere while I am dying. |
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Posted: 7/20/2010 1:50:57 PM EDT
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I'm going to wait until the end of the week to make the decision. I want 1500 in the bank for a rainy day. I could be laid off at the end of this week, giving me 1200 in savings and no ammo if I buy the rifle. If I continue work until the summer camp is over, then I will have 1800 in savings minus ammo. After ammo, I'll be at my 1500 in savings mark, or half of what I've earned this summer. Good plan. Sounds like your parents are pretty cool! |
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Posted: 7/20/2010 1:54:32 PM EDT
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Quoted: My dad is kinda the same way, He equates security and preparedness to having "money in the bank"... I commonly refer to that as "numbers on a screen". He would rather have his pantry bare and have 200K in the bank than have a closet full of food and gear and only 100K in the bank. I keep some money in the bank, I also have tons of food, water, guns, ammo, camping / survival stuff that will come in much more handy in a SHTF than knowing that I have tons of money in a bank account somewhere while I am dying. If SHTF where I'm at now, I am totally, royally, fucked. |
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Posted: 7/20/2010 1:55:00 PM EDT
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Quoted: engagement ring. Woah now partner, now that's just crazy talk right there..... Engagement rings should be sold to anyone under the age of say..30. |
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Posted: 7/20/2010 1:57:14 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: engagement ring. Woah now partner, now that's just crazy talk right there..... Engagement rings should be sold to anyone under the age of say..30. And that's why I'm intending to buy the rifle instead. Got to own everything you need before such an event occurs. ETA: I should also purchase a case of 75 grain hornaday tap for the circumstance that the above for whatever reason does not occur. Latin temper and all that.  |
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Posted: 7/20/2010 1:58:19 PM EDT
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I'm confused... are you 18 or older? Yes. I can afford the rifle, but if the shit hits the fan, it would be better to have that money in savings. does not compute |
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Posted: 7/20/2010 1:59:25 PM EDT
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Agreed...it's your monry...buy what you want Wrong, parents house, parents rules. Wromg...do what you want...parents will just have to acceot it...within reason, of course. |
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Posted: 7/20/2010 2:00:29 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I'm confused... are you 18 or older? Yes. I can afford the rifle, but if the shit hits the fan, it would be better to have that money in savings. does not compute SHTF as in, I lose my scholarship, my car takes a dump, my dad gets laid off again, I need to take a summer class, etc. In a true SHTF, I'm sure the rifle and my ten magazines loaded with 75 grain ammo would be more useful. |
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Posted: 7/20/2010 2:02:21 PM EDT
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I'm confused... are you 18 or older? Yes. I can afford the rifle, but if the shit hits the fan, it would be better to have that money in savings. does not compute SHTF as in, I lose my scholarship, my car takes a dump, my dad gets laid off again, I need to take a summer class, etc. In a true SHTF, I'm sure the rifle and my ten magazines loaded with 75 grain ammo would be more useful. ah, got it |
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Posted: 7/20/2010 2:06:03 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I'm confused... are you 18 or older? Yes. I can afford the rifle, but if the shit hits the fan, it would be better to have that money in savings. does not compute SHTF as in, I lose my scholarship, my car takes a dump, my dad gets laid off again, I need to take a summer class, etc. In a true SHTF, I'm sure the rifle and my ten magazines loaded with 75 grain ammo would be more useful. The rifle will hold it's value pretty well, so if you do get into an "o shit I need money" situation you can always sell the rifle. Liquor and food not so much. |
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Posted: 7/20/2010 2:12:18 PM EDT
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I'm confused... are you 18 or older? Yes. I can afford the rifle, but if the shit hits the fan, it would be better to have that money in savings. I take the advice of my parents seriously, since more often than not, they're right.
He's also pissed that the rifles I own and intend to buy are the exact rifles/models that he already owns and can easily borrow. He owns a pristine DCM M1. I just bought a CMP M1. He owns a Colt AR6601. I'm about ready to buy a Colt MT6601. Tell dad they are necessary. How else can you stand shoulder to shoulder to whip him in a shootin' match? Both of you have to have a rifle for that. |
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Posted: 7/20/2010 2:18:20 PM EDT
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I wouldn't buy an expensive AR if I was you. Doesn't sound like you can afford. Watch the EE and gunbroker for a nice used cheaper model. These days could you find one for $ 600-700 if you're patient. Maybe not a Colt, but it doesn't sound like Colt is in your budget.
Then you'll have some money, and an AR |
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Posted: 7/20/2010 2:22:28 PM EDT
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Quoted: I wouldn't buy an expensive AR if I was you. Doesn't sound like you can afford. Watch the EE and gunbroker for a nice used cheaper model. These days could you find one for $ 600-700 if you're patient. Maybe not a Colt, but it doesn't sound like Colt is in your budget. Then you'll have some money, and an AR Well, I need a 1/7 twist hbar. I figure the colt is better since I won't feel so bad blasting away with it. If I go with white oak, then I'm never going to shoot it outside of NRA/CMP competition. |
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Posted: 7/20/2010 2:23:20 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I'm confused... are you 18 or older? Yes. I can afford the rifle, but if the shit hits the fan, it would be better to have that money in savings. I take the advice of my parents seriously, since more often than not, they're right. He's also pissed that the rifles I own and intend to buy are the exact rifles/models that he already owns and can easily borrow. He owns a pristine DCM M1. I just bought a CMP M1. He owns a Colt AR6601. I'm about ready to buy a Colt MT6601. Tell dad they are necessary. How else can you stand shoulder to shoulder to whip him in a shootin' match? Both of you have to have a rifle for that. Also, his colt is worn out as far as accuracy is concerned. It's had about 20K rounds down the pipe in a sport where barrels are considered trashed at 4K. |
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Posted: 7/20/2010 2:25:18 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I'm confused... are you 18 or older? Yes. I can afford the rifle, but if the shit hits the fan, it would be better to have that money in savings. does not compute SHTF as in, I lose my scholarship, my car takes a dump, my dad gets laid off again, I need to take a summer class, etc. In a true SHTF, I'm sure the rifle and my ten magazines loaded with 75 grain ammo would be more useful. The rifle will hold it's value pretty well, so if you do get into an "o shit I need money" situation you can always sell the rifle. Liquor and food not so much. I was able to use this reasoning with the Garand. CMP garands are priced below market value, since you have to go through a bunch of crap to get one. AR15's, not so much. I could sell it in lightly used condition for 800 I'm sure. Maybe 900 with less than 1K down the pipe. I've seen beaten ones at the local shop for 800, so who knows. |
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Posted: 7/20/2010 2:26:28 PM EDT
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I'm going to wait until the end of the week to make the decision. I want 1500 in the bank for a rainy day. I could be laid off at the end of this week, giving me 1200 in savings and no ammo if I buy the rifle. If I continue work until the summer camp is over, then I will have 1800 in savings minus ammo. After ammo, I'll be at my 1500 in savings mark, or half of what I've earned this summer. You may be about to lose your job, but you are willing to spend half your savings on a rifle? Did you forget what site you were logged onto? |
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Posted: 7/20/2010 2:27:19 PM EDT
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I stopped a long time ago.
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Posted: 7/20/2010 2:28:53 PM EDT
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I'm confused... are you 18 or older? Yes. I can afford the rifle, but if the shit hits the fan, it would be better to have that money in savings. does not compute SHTF as in, I lose my scholarship, my car takes a dump, my dad gets laid off again, I need to take a summer class, etc. In a true SHTF, I'm sure the rifle and my ten magazines loaded with 75 grain ammo would be more useful. The rifle will hold it's value pretty well, so if you do get into an "o shit I need money" situation you can always sell the rifle. Liquor and food not so much. I was able to use this reasoning with the Garand. CMP garands are priced below market value, since you have to go through a bunch of crap to get one. AR15's, not so much. I could sell it in lightly used condition for 800 I'm sure. Maybe 900 with less than 1K down the pipe. I've seen beaten ones at the local shop for 800, so who knows. Then you should buy it used. Guns are almost always a better deal used anyway. |
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Posted: 7/20/2010 2:31:49 PM EDT
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OP and Spartanatheart need to get a place together, so they can sit around all day and play Xbox while they bitch about their parents and drink Mountain Dew.
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Posted: 7/20/2010 2:32:08 PM EDT
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I would make sure you aren't about to lose your job. I wanted to buy a few more Glock mags and some ammo this summer doing my part-time job, but I knew I'd lose it a few days early because it was so hot and it was burning up our crops.
Thus, I didn't. Now I'm hoping like hell I'll get a good paying job around here so I can keep the ammo and mag train going and start getting some money saved up so I can move out.
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Posted: 7/20/2010 2:35:37 PM EDT
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Maybe he wants to leave you his rifle and doesn't want you wasting your few bucks on a duplicate.
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Posted: 7/20/2010 2:40:29 PM EDT
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Quoted: It has to be under a year old if I want it to fit my geissele trigger. And I never see these things local except that one time, and these things are so expensive on gunbroker that it's actually cheaper to buy new than used. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I'm confused... are you 18 or older? Yes. I can afford the rifle, but if the shit hits the fan, it would be better to have that money in savings. does not compute SHTF as in, I lose my scholarship, my car takes a dump, my dad gets laid off again, I need to take a summer class, etc. In a true SHTF, I'm sure the rifle and my ten magazines loaded with 75 grain ammo would be more useful. The rifle will hold it's value pretty well, so if you do get into an "o shit I need money" situation you can always sell the rifle. Liquor and food not so much. I was able to use this reasoning with the Garand. CMP garands are priced below market value, since you have to go through a bunch of crap to get one. AR15's, not so much. I could sell it in lightly used condition for 800 I'm sure. Maybe 900 with less than 1K down the pipe. I've seen beaten ones at the local shop for 800, so who knows. Then you should buy it used. Guns are almost always a better deal used anyway.  |
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Posted: 7/20/2010 2:40:32 PM EDT
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Agreed...it's your monry...buy what you want Wrong, parents house, parents rules. AGREED |
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Posted: 7/20/2010 2:41:31 PM EDT
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I could also buy a white oak upper, but I've been told I could be disqualified for my slab side lower. I can't buy lowers for another year.
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Posted: 7/20/2010 2:46:00 PM EDT
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I'm going to wait until the end of the week to make the decision. I want 1500 in the bank for a rainy day. I could be laid off at the end of this week, giving me 1200 in savings and no ammo if I buy the rifle. If I continue work until the summer camp is over, then I will have 1800 in savings minus ammo. After ammo, I'll be at my 1500 in savings mark, or half of what I've earned this summer. You may be about to lose your job, but you are willing to spend half your savings on a rifle? What I was thinking. OP, How old are you? As someone who was once 18, I could see how it could make sense spending the money on a rifle. But as someone who is not 18 anymore, I can tell you its a bad idea. Your money, your decision. Just some advice.
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Posted: 7/20/2010 2:46:46 PM EDT
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Your dad is right. Seems like you have decent financial sense, and know there's a lot you're going to have to buy in the next few years (car repairs, apartment, college money, etc). In the slim chance that the SHTF, you seem to be pretty well armed already. If you do decide to buy the AR, it will hold its value. But, it's hard to move a "high value" rifle right now. I would focus on getting some cash (on hand in a small safe) first, then worry about the rifle. Just my two cents.
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Posted: 7/20/2010 2:49:53 PM EDT
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Today he calls me, and says, "Don't you DARE order that Colt AR15 you want!" Sounds like something I would say if I were planning on getting one for my son. Just sayin.... |
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Posted: 7/20/2010 3:11:21 PM EDT
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I'm going to wait until the end of the week to make the decision. I want 1500 in the bank for a rainy day. I could be laid off at the end of this week, giving me 1200 in savings and no ammo if I buy the rifle. If I continue work until the summer camp is over, then I will have 1800 in savings minus ammo. After ammo, I'll be at my 1500 in savings mark, or half of what I've earned this summer. You may be about to lose your job, but you are willing to spend half your savings on a rifle? Did you forget what site you were logged onto? Foods a crutch and so is poon quit eating,ditch the gf, and then buy the rifle |
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Posted: 7/20/2010 3:11:29 PM EDT
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Quoted: Nope. He doesn't buy guns for me. At age 10, I was not strong enough to shoot his 20'' hbar. His answer was do pushups. Quoted: Today he calls me, and says, "Don't you DARE order that Colt AR15 you want!" Sounds like something I would say if I were planning on getting one for my son. Just sayin.... I've come close to quitting firearms all together due to shitty equipment and shitty ammunition making it impossible for me to figure out where my problems are. I'm done shooting a different 20 year old reload every match. I'm done shooting worn out rifles. It is a complete waste of time. Hell, one time he packed me 62 grain crappy reloads for a 500 yard match. When I asked him why, he basically said, "you're not any good anyway, when you get better you can shoot better ammo." I can now afford a rifle, and 600 rounds of prvi ammo. Also, if your dear lord and savior the chosen bastard child of an african polygamist muslim decides to get them banned, I don't want to be left without at least one AR15. |
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Posted: 7/20/2010 3:27:29 PM EDT
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With the combo I propose, I should be able to hold the black at all ranges with decent ammo, if I do my part.
Option two is, buy reloading stuff and send my Garand to the local smith to be accurized. |
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Posted: 7/20/2010 3:46:33 PM EDT
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Quoted: With the combo I propose, I should be able to hold the black at all ranges with decent ammo, if I do my part. Option two is, buy reloading stuff and send my Garand to the local smith to be accurized. Can get a Spikes with 1/7 twist new for around 800... just sayin  Eta I'm also 20 and poor.  |
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Posted: 7/20/2010 3:50:49 PM EDT
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Nope. He doesn't buy guns for me. At age 10, I was not strong enough to shoot his 20'' hbar. His answer was do pushups.
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Today he calls me, and says, "Don't you DARE order that Colt AR15 you want!" Sounds like something I would say if I were planning on getting one for my son. Just sayin.... I've come close to quitting firearms all together due to shitty equipment and shitty ammunition making it impossible for me to figure out where my problems are. I'm done shooting a different 20 year old reload every match. I'm done shooting worn out rifles. It is a complete waste of time. Hell, one time he packed me 62 grain crappy reloads for a 500 yard match. When I asked him why, he basically said, "you're not any good anyway, when you get better you can shoot better ammo." I can now afford a rifle, and 600 rounds of prvi ammo. Also, if your dear lord and savior the chosen bastard child of an african polygamist muslim decides to get them banned, I don't want to be left without at least one AR15.
Should have mentioned this in the OP.
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