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Posted: 9/2/2004 4:13:47 PM EST
I have been looking at Sony and Mitsubishi. Are they any good?
Link Posted: 9/2/2004 4:16:00 PM EST

I need to buy a LARGE screen TV. What do you recommend?


Changing your needs?



(well, you asked!)
Link Posted: 9/2/2004 4:18:30 PM EST
Samsung DLP
Link Posted: 9/2/2004 4:18:37 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/2/2004 4:20:02 PM EST
skip the big screen and get a projector and clear a wall! porn 8' X 7' :D
Link Posted: 9/2/2004 4:22:08 PM EST

Originally Posted By DeadSled:
skip the big screen and get a projector and clear a wall! porn 8' X 7' :D




I had 2 In Focus DLP's interlaced in my home theater and got rid of them in favor of the Sony PFM42. They made the room HOT. Projecoters are over rated. And for a couple grand more you can go plasma.
Link Posted: 9/2/2004 4:24:53 PM EST

Originally Posted By ar50troll:

Originally Posted By DeadSled:
skip the big screen and get a projector and clear a wall! porn 8' X 7' :D




I had 2 In Focus DLP's interlaced in my home theater and got rid of them in favor of the Sony PFM42. They made the room HOT. Projecoters are over rated. And for a couple grand more you can go plasma.



Hm, mine works really well and is way better than any other display i've seen. Dunno what your setup was, but the heat isn't an issue with mine. Pretty damn fun to play Xbox on a 92" screen, or watch movies in that size.

Having said that, they do take some legwork to make it work right, so head over to avsforum.com and read up on them. It's cheaper than a high end display and works better if you take the time to learn and do it right.
Link Posted: 9/2/2004 4:24:56 PM EST

Originally Posted By alaman:
Samsung DLP



+1
Link Posted: 9/2/2004 4:25:09 PM EST
Mitsubishi. I love mine.
Link Posted: 9/2/2004 4:26:06 PM EST

Originally Posted By alaman:
Samsung DLP




+1
Link Posted: 9/2/2004 4:27:32 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/2/2004 4:29:18 PM EST by ar50troll]

Originally Posted By ProfessorEvil:

Originally Posted By ar50troll:

Originally Posted By DeadSled:
skip the big screen and get a projector and clear a wall! porn 8' X 7' :D




I had 2 In Focus DLP's interlaced in my home theater and got rid of them in favor of the Sony PFM42. They made the room HOT. Projecoters are over rated. And for a couple grand more you can go plasma.



Hm, mine works really well and is way better than any other display i've seen. Dunno what your setup was, but the heat isn't an issue with mine. Pretty damn fun to play Xbox on a 92" screen, or watch movies in that size.

Having said that, they do take some legwork to make it work right, so head over to avsforum.com and read up on them. It's cheaper than a high end display and works better if you take the time to learn and do it right.


Go here and decide if I need to really hit a consumer vid forum...
All DLP projectors inject heat into the room. My plasma non interlaced is superior by all accounts to my 2 interlaced DLP's
Link Posted: 9/2/2004 4:32:05 PM EST

Originally Posted By ar50troll:

Go here and decide if I need to really hit a consumer vid forum...
All DLP projectors inject heat into the room. My plasma non interlaced is superior by all accounts to my 2 interlaced DLP's



Did you go to the John Kerry school of self-promotion? Would you say that the gun manufacturers here shouldn't ask anyone else for advice / input?
Link Posted: 9/2/2004 4:33:13 PM EST

Originally Posted By Adam_White:

Originally Posted By ar50troll:

Go here and decide if I need to really hit a consumer vid forum...
All DLP projectors inject heat into the room. My plasma non interlaced is superior by all accounts to my 2 interlaced DLP's



Did you go to the John Kerry school of self-promotion? Would you say that the gun manufacturers here shouldn't ask anyone else for advice / input?



I was told to go hit a consumer vid site. I do broadcast TV for a living. It's almost a funny suggestion. REEELLLAAXXXXXX
Link Posted: 9/2/2004 4:34:03 PM EST
Quality LCD Projector = as big a screen as you want. Downside is on major sporting event days you won't be able to keep your friends away. Nothing like seeing the players life size.
Link Posted: 9/2/2004 5:00:17 PM EST
Hitachi
Link Posted: 9/2/2004 5:02:11 PM EST
I have Samsung also, very impressed.
Link Posted: 9/2/2004 5:17:32 PM EST

Originally Posted By KeithG:
Hitachi

Link Posted: 9/2/2004 5:33:11 PM EST
I have a Pioneer Elite DLP.
Link Posted: 9/2/2004 5:37:43 PM EST
Samsung Tantus DLP - Thin, light, best picture (no other 60 inch TV can be lifted by ONE person)
Link Posted: 9/2/2004 5:58:40 PM EST
I love my Sony.

If you have the money LCD projection is nice.
Link Posted: 9/2/2004 6:08:12 PM EST
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Link Posted: 9/2/2004 6:16:34 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/2/2004 6:28:31 PM EST
The DLP's and LCD's(rear projo) are really nice and is what is going to be slowly phasing out the traditional CRT rear projection over the next 1-2 years. DLP's typically have a better contrast ratio, better color, and faster refresh rate(similar to computer monitors). LCD projo's have the same problem that lcd computer monitors have by having a slower refresh rate. Drawback to dlp's and lcd's is that they have a consumable bulb which lasts 7500-10,000 hours. They cost anywhere from 200-450 for a replacement. They are designed to be user-replaceable meaning you can change out the bulb in your own home without any special tools, but you have to be careful to not touch it with your fingers(w/o gloves). Samsung has some really nice DLPs, sony has some nice LCD's. The panasonic 50 and 60" look good. Only thing with them is typically the larger it gets, the more scaling problems will happen to the picture. Look into either the 52" or 62" Mitsubishi DLP's. they have the integrated HDTV tuner, 7 memory card slot for picture slide shows, has the cablecard slot to do away with the digital cable box, netcommand system to control your entire home theater using your tv. Mitsubishi has built a really good name for itself in Rear projection and now DLP. Keep an eye out on the LCOS. Not going to be very cheap at first, but what new technology is. Regardless of which tv you go with, especially if you have cable, make sure it has the cablecard slot. Also check to see if it has DVI or HDMI interfaces so you can plan your components and their connections accordingly. Let me know if you have any questions bout any of this
Link Posted: 9/2/2004 6:30:48 PM EST
IMHO rear projection TVs are still the most bang for the buck for a big screen and I don't think you will go wrong with a Sony. We have a 57 inch Sony and it's been great for us. Incredible picture and no problems whatsoever.
Link Posted: 9/2/2004 6:41:12 PM EST

Originally Posted By RikWriter:
IMHO rear projection TVs are still the most bang for the buck for a big screen and I don't think you will go wrong with a Sony. We have a 57 inch Sony and it's been great for us. Incredible picture and no problems whatsoever.



Can't beat the price for a rear projection set. Really good deal, but there are disadvantages to it as well, but there are disadvantages to everything. With a projo you have a massive Tv, usually dominates a wall all by itself. They can weigh anywhere from 160-350 pounds. Not good if you plan on putting it up/down a set of stairs. Suffer from exterior light comign from windows/bright lights. They don't have as wide of a viewing angle, picture tends to get darker as you go to the sides more. Require a lot of space, typically 3-5 foot tall and 4-6 foot wide and 2-3 foot deep. can have convergence issues with the projectors

Dlp's weigh in at 70-140 lbs, 12-18" deep, 3-5 foot wide, 2-4 foot tall and are usually a table top set except for Samsung's new pedestal 50" DLP. no convergence

But with costs being a factor, you can't beat the rear projo's.

I personally would not buy a plasma. Definately wouldn't recommend a projection(ceiling mount projector) for an everyday tv, now for special occasions (sports and movies) they are awesome. Bulbs in projectors last from 2000-6000 hours and can cost 200-600 for a new bulb.
Link Posted: 9/2/2004 6:43:45 PM EST
Pioneer

Mitsubishi

Hitachi
<­BR>
In that order, keep Sony out of the picture, NG!
Link Posted: 9/2/2004 6:45:20 PM EST

Originally Posted By palmer:
Pioneer

Mitsubishi

Hitachi<­BR>

In that order, keep Sony out of the picture, NG!



Nonsense. Sony RPTVs are great.
Link Posted: 9/2/2004 7:00:44 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/2/2004 7:10:39 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/2/2004 7:19:34 PM EST

Originally Posted By RikWriter:

Originally Posted By palmer:
Pioneer

Mitsubishi

Hitachi<­BR>

In that order, keep Sony out of the picture, NG!



Nonsense. Sony RPTVs are great.




Okay?! If you say so!

I've had nothing but problems with two Sony big screens, so has a couple of co-workers. There long drawn out stories, so I'll just give you mine.

Feb. 2001 bought a 42" Sony from Bestbuy. June 2001, no picture, Sony sends a tech. to my house. Tech comes in, turns TV on and now there is a pic, tech says no problems and leaves. About Dec 2001, no picture again. Call Sony, they send a tech, he turns TV on and the picture come on again. Furious, I tell him there is a problem, fix it! He says he is not allowed to open TV, unless he sees a problem with it first. Feb 2002, no pic AGAIN. Call Sony, they say it's out of warranty by ten days! I call a local guy, he comes, tries to turn on TV and now there is no power at all. Without taking cover off yet, he says he knows exactly what the problem is, I see it all the time with Sony, he said the double-side board has a burnt transistor and they make sh!t solder connection, that will loosen up when the TV heats up.

After about an hour, he hands me this "board" with burnt transistor and he said "send that back to Sony and b!tch to get your $340.00 back from the rpair service." He said he also had to resolder most connections. Of coarse Sony refused to pay for the repair.


bear3351......go ahead get yourself a Sony.
Link Posted: 9/2/2004 7:22:31 PM EST

Originally Posted By NoVaGator:

Originally Posted By alaman:
Samsung DLP




+1



+2
Link Posted: 9/2/2004 7:29:54 PM EST

Originally Posted By Paul:
Unless you're going high-def (like DVD) soon try and buy something to hold you over.Paul
SBE CPBE
(Society of Broadcast Engineers Certified Profession Broadcast Engineer)



Correct me if I'm wrong but DVDs aren't HD, only progressive scan. We'll have to wait for the blue laser DVDs to get true HD DVDs.
Link Posted: 9/2/2004 7:56:59 PM EST
Dvd's are not high definition. Dvd's are only 480i or 480p depending on your tv and connections. HD is 720p or 1080i. However, There are DVD players that upconvert the dvd to HD quality though.

sony had a bad run of models for about 1-2 years(1 model each year) with the circuit boards. Can't have a completlely flawless production line. If you would have gotten the performance service plan from Best Buy, it would have been fixed/replaced depending on the severity of the damage and would have only cost bout 200 at that time and it would have covered you for 4 years instead of sony's 1 year. can't hold 1-2 models against a manufacturer, look at how many times car manufacturers have had to issue recalls on cars, etc.
Link Posted: 9/2/2004 9:13:10 PM EST
get the Mitsubishi.
Link Posted: 9/2/2004 11:00:23 PM EST
HD DLP projector, I love mine
Link Posted: 9/2/2004 11:26:41 PM EST
tag
Link Posted: 9/3/2004 2:08:11 AM EST

Originally Posted By Paul:

high-def does have fewer artifacts but still to my trained eye, isn't as good as good old analog video (700-800 lines of resolution without artifacts).



What analog format has 700-800 lines? Isn't NTSC 480 interlaced lines?
Link Posted: 9/3/2004 2:49:01 AM EST

Originally Posted By palmer:

Originally Posted By RikWriter:

Originally Posted By palmer:
Pioneer

Mitsubishi

Hitachi<­BR>

In that order, keep Sony out of the picture, NG!



Nonsense. Sony RPTVs are great.




Okay?! If you say so!
.



Not only do I say so, I have one. One of my best friends has one as well.
Link Posted: 9/3/2004 2:56:24 AM EST
For a better detailed look at your options, you should really visit some of the good HT websites:

hometheaterspot
hometheaterforum
avsforum


If you are going with a CRT rear-projection, then go with Hitachi or Mitsubishi.

After a year of research on the internet and viewing in stores, I think the Hitachis are your best bet. The Hitachis have a sort of cult-like following because they have great PQ, probably the best contrast, and IMO the most uniform brightness across the screen. Most others - including the highest Mitsubishis and Pioneers - had dark corners, and this did not seem to be a problem with the Hitachis.

I went with a Hitachi 51s700 and LOVE it.
Link Posted: 9/3/2004 3:04:56 AM EST
a buddy just got a mitusbishi 65" not sure which one but it was like 2800 bucks. The picture is awesome- I was never a big fan of rear projection, but this is a beauty. I am a SOny guy myself, but I think i will end up getting one of these...
Link Posted: 9/3/2004 3:16:19 AM EST
I picked up a 55" Mitsu rear projection last year at BB for $1400. At that price, a plasma just didn't hold a candle to it. I had the money for the plasma, I just didn't want to spend it. So, I got the Mistubishi and couldn't be happier. Great picture, not washed out like some projection sets I looked at.



toast
Link Posted: 9/3/2004 3:19:37 AM EST
I bought an AKAI at Sams club. 55" with the HD tuner built in. Seams to be good from what I can tell.
Same set as Samsung makes rebadged. Here's some info I found prior to purchase.
www.hdtvoice.com/voice/showthread.php?t=9987
Link Posted: 9/3/2004 3:21:41 AM EST
I will warn you though unless its DVD (progressive) or HD the picture will be grainy- he sez he can hardly watch standard TV anymore after that
Link Posted: 9/3/2004 8:44:37 AM EST

Originally Posted By Paul:

Unless you're going high-def (like DVD) soon try and buy something to hold you over. For the last 60 years we've been using RGB-Y video - red, green, blue, and luminance video. There's been a recent break though and they're developing RGB/CYM televison which does the RGB but also cyan (sky blue), yellow, and magenta (purple) which in theory will open the color triangle about 50% meaning colors will be so much more like real color - think of the leap from black and white to color in difference.

Paul
SBE CPBE
(Society of Broadcast Engineers Certified Profession Broadcast Engineer)



The New mitsubishi DLP's are the first that I've seen that have this capability. It gives you independent control over the settings for each input instead of one setting for the entire tv.
Link Posted: 9/3/2004 10:23:31 AM EST

Originally Posted By kblagg:

Originally Posted By Paul:

Unless you're going high-def (like DVD) soon try and buy something to hold you over. For the last 60 years we've been using RGB-Y video - red, green, blue, and luminance video. There's been a recent break though and they're developing RGB/CYM televison which does the RGB but also cyan (sky blue), yellow, and magenta (purple) which in theory will open the color triangle about 50% meaning colors will be so much more like real color - think of the leap from black and white to color in difference.

Paul
SBE CPBE
(Society of Broadcast Engineers Certified Profession Broadcast Engineer)



The New mitsubishi DLP's are the first that I've seen that have this capability. It gives you independent control over the settings for each input instead of one setting for the entire tv.



In your opinion, are these new Mitsubishi models worth looking into?
Link Posted: 9/3/2004 10:27:22 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/3/2004 10:28:14 AM EST by ar50troll]


I guess that's why ALL TV studios use Sony. I guess that's why all the shows you watc on your TV were edited on a Sony monitor. Yeah Sony sucks. That's very funny.
Sony is the De-facto standard in broadcst television. If your studio or post house has anything else your clients will force you to rent or buy a Sony.
Link Posted: 9/3/2004 5:58:27 PM EST

Originally Posted By ar50troll:

I guess that's why ALL TV studios use Sony. I guess that's why all the shows you watc on your TV were edited on a Sony monitor. Yeah Sony sucks. That's very funny.
Sony is the De-facto standard in broadcst television. If your studio or post house has anything else your clients will force you to rent or buy a Sony.




Glad you hold Sony in high regard, enjoy your Sony products. ANYTHING(stereo,walkman, VCR, 2 TV's)I bought made by Sony didn't last very long(max 2 yrs) before needing repair or throwing it out, my last straw with Sony was my last TV, no longer will they get my money.

If you like Sony, they've been good for you, great, stick with them. I cannot recommend them to anyone.
Link Posted: 9/3/2004 6:05:12 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/3/2004 7:52:45 PM EST

Originally Posted By alaman:
Samsung DLP



YES.

DLP TVs have a much better picture that other rear projection TVs. I suggest you look at the Samsung DLP before making a decision.
Link Posted: 9/3/2004 8:53:49 PM EST

Originally Posted By Mute:

Originally Posted By kblagg:

Originally Posted By Paul:

Unless you're going high-def (like DVD) soon try and buy something to hold you over. For the last 60 years we've been using RGB-Y video - red, green, blue, and luminance video. There's been a recent break though and they're developing RGB/CYM televison which does the RGB but also cyan (sky blue), yellow, and magenta (purple) which in theory will open the color triangle about 50% meaning colors will be so much more like real color - think of the leap from black and white to color in difference.

Paul
SBE CPBE
(Society of Broadcast Engineers Certified Profession Broadcast Engineer)



The New mitsubishi DLP's are the first that I've seen that have this capability. It gives you independent control over the settings for each input instead of one setting for the entire tv.



In your opinion, are these new Mitsubishi models worth looking into?



In my opinion: Yes. I have a 55. My brother and friend have 65s and my best friend has a 48. All Mitsubishi. Get it. You wont regret it. Plus I beleive you can get one with no intrest, no payments for a year with Mitsu credit.

Don't beleive me? Read the reviews all over the internet.
Link Posted: 9/3/2004 8:59:25 PM EST

Originally Posted By Lightning_P38:

Originally Posted By ar50troll:

I guess that's why ALL TV studios use Sony. I guess that's why all the shows you watc on your TV were edited on a Sony monitor. Yeah Sony sucks. That's very funny.
Sony is the De-facto standard in broadcst television. If your studio or post house has anything else your clients will force you to rent or buy a Sony.



Glad you hold Sony in high regard, enjoy your Sony products. ANYTHING(stereo,walkman, VCR, 2 TV's)I bought made by Sony didn't last very long(max 2 yrs) before needing repair or throwing it out, my last straw with Sony was my last TV, no longer will they get my money.

If you like Sony, they've been good for you, great, stick with them. I cannot recommend them to anyone.


That is well and good for commercial grade equipment, but most people here are buying consumer grade equipment, not studio monitors, and I am sure the studio stuff is a bit more pricey than what you would find at your local Best Buy.



I'm worn out from todays events here and in Russia to defend my position. Fine Sony sucks. You win. Just gonna turn the other cheek instead of defending what is fact. Sorry your Sony gear crapped out. But the fact remains they are the only thing in Broadcast. Shit man, that's got to be worth something. I give up 4 now.
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