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Posted: 3/7/2006 3:37:55 PM EDT
any one have a suggestion?
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 3:39:25 PM EDT
Kimber Ultra Carry.
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 3:39:29 PM EDT
The Para Ordnance Stainless Steel Warthog is the smallest, lightest on the market, and looks fantanstic.

Check out their website...I'd love to have one, but a little bit pricey.

HH
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 3:39:34 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 3:39:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/7/2006 3:42:48 PM EDT by viper5194]
smallest most comfortable I can think of is a Glock 36... 7 rounds of .45 acp in a pistol the size of a glock 26..

Stay away from the Warthog, I mean JAM_O_MATIC.... got rid of mine in trade for a glock 30. I had nothing butissues with the Warthog. Sure it looks nice, but is no where near reliable enough to be considered a CCW in my opinion..
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 3:41:48 PM EDT
taurus PT145 is about the smallest .45 out there. i know nothing about it's reliability or accuracy.

www.taurususa.com/products/product-details.cfm?model=145BP&category=Pistol

Link Posted: 3/7/2006 3:42:40 PM EDT
No.
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 3:43:18 PM EDT
the taurus is more than 3/4 of an inch shorter in length than the glock36. not sure about width or height though
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 3:43:23 PM EDT
GLOCK 36
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 3:44:37 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 3:45:35 PM EDT
Kahr P45 - polymer frame, s/s slide, under $600.00
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 3:47:01 PM EDT

Originally Posted By HoustonHusker:
The Para Ordnance Stainless Steel Warthog is the smallest, lightest on the market, and looks fantanstic.

Check out their website...I'd love to have one, but a little bit pricey.

HH



Warthog is the same size as the P10 was... If so, it's a very compact, surprisingly accurate and controllable fist full of .45.
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 3:48:08 PM EDT
Glock 30 full 10 rds. Glock 36 less rounds.
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 3:49:01 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/7/2006 3:57:14 PM EDT by HoustonHusker]

Originally Posted By macman37:

Originally Posted By HoustonHusker:
The Para Ordnance Stainless Steel Warthog is the smallest, lightest on the market, and looks fantanstic.

Check out their website...I'd love to have one, but a little bit pricey.

HH



Warthog is the same size as the P10 was... If so, it's a very compact, surprisingly accurate and controllable fist full of .45.



I saw the inside cover of AH this last issue and drooled over it. Looks like the perfect CCW .45 and it's very attractive.



Stainless Warthog

The new Stainless Warthog is made of rust resistant stainless steel with our classic brushed finish. This Hawg like the original Warthog holds 10+1 rounds of powerful .45 ACP. The stainless frame adds 7-ounces of muscle to this Hawg to soak up recoil.
Specifications:
Product Code Caliber Rounds Barrel Weight Length Height Hammer Sights Receiver Finish
WHX1045S .45ACP 10+1 3" 24 oz. 6.5" 4.5" Spurred 3-Dot Alloy Regal




HH
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 3:49:06 PM EDT


liberator.
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 3:49:39 PM EDT
tag. I'll never be able to afford to buy one but I would like one too.
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 3:51:46 PM EDT

Originally Posted By pattymcn:
tag. I'll never be able to afford to buy one but I would like one too.



Which one do you prefer, Patty? Seems like it'd be hard to make a decision will all the good ones out there.

HH
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 3:52:03 PM EDT
Colt Defender.
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 3:53:00 PM EDT

Originally Posted By HoustonHusker:
The Para Ordnance Stainless Steel Warthog is the smallest, lightest on the market, and looks fantanstic.

Check out their website...I'd love to have one, but a little bit pricey.

HH



Link
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 3:59:23 PM EDT
S&W 325 Probably the only mini .45 that is close to 100% reliable.
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 4:01:32 PM EDT
I am very impressed with my Kimber Ultra Carry II. Surprising accuracy for a three inch barrel. The polished barrel is very easy to clean. I can carry it all day and hardly notice it.
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 4:05:13 PM EDT

Originally Posted By snarfbatt:
any one have a suggestion?



Whittakers had a nice used ParaOrdinance .45ACP Warthog the other day. Give em a call and see if they still have it.
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 4:13:32 PM EDT

Originally Posted By HoustonHusker:
snip
HH



That be the one... I've shot a P10 and I was frankly shocked at how accurate and controllable the gun was!

I've not carried it but I carry a P12 alloy frame and it's great... P10 would be an awesome carry piece.
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 4:15:11 PM EDT
Kimber Ultra.

SG
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 4:15:14 PM EDT
I have owned a Kimber Ultra Carry since '99.
I love it, 100% reliable; very accurate also.
I carry it in an Galco Royal Guard holster- does not have a thumb break ( or what ever it is called these days)
Real Fast out of the holster, may not be "a safe carry rig" for everyone, but" I am the only one qualified to carry the 1911 FO-TEE- FIVE! "
I grew up with the 1911 and I know how to be careful with it, safety is up to the wearer;
W\O the thumbreak holster, there have been days when I take down at days close and find that the slide-safety has been moved off-safe-by normal motion: Again, be careful. I Love Mine.
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 4:16:53 PM EDT
detonics combatmaster, the smallest out there!
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 4:18:01 PM EDT
G30.
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 4:20:08 PM EDT

Originally Posted By snarfbatt:
any one have a suggestion?



Either a Glock 36 or a Sig P245.

Frankly I don't trust the tiny 1911s, and I am a real 1911 buff.

The G36 is just a skosh larger than my G26, which ain't half bad.
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 4:20:26 PM EDT
I spend way too much times on job sites.
I have lost track of the .45's that are out there.
I carry a Colt series 70 Gov. 1911 A1.
Unless you are good you will miss on a pat down. (size helps) mine.
I really don't want to switch but I should get with the times.
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 4:20:27 PM EDT
Ive got the Para Warthog in black. I love that gun. !0 rounds of .45, accurate, controllable, and best of all, its a 1911. However, depending on the size of your hands it might not be for you. I woul dfind someone that has one or go to the store and hold one to see how they feel in your hands.
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 4:21:58 PM EDT
I have a Springfield Micro Compact. Accurate for it's size, but it has taken a while (extractor tensioning and a return trip to Springfield) to get it to function (feed and extract) in a reliable manner. YMMV
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 4:30:12 PM EDT
Forgot to add- look at the Para and the G30-
You Cannot get a good hold on those when you need to.
Not much grip there.
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 4:37:12 PM EDT

Originally Posted By John_Wayne777:

Originally Posted By snarfbatt:
any one have a suggestion?



Either a Glock 36 or a Sig P245.

Frankly I don't trust the tiny 1911s, and I am a real 1911 buff.

The G36 is just a skosh larger than my G26, which ain't half bad.



*tweeeet* instant revocation of Man Card for usage of "Skosh" in a gun thread...
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 4:38:33 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/7/2006 4:39:22 PM EDT by macman37]

Originally Posted By hdhogman:
Forgot to add- look at the Para and the G30-
You Cannot get a good hold on those when you need to.
Not much grip there.



I can't speak for the G30 but the Para is surprisingly controllable even with your pinky hanging off... If you put one of those extended magazine things with the lip on it on, you'd be in even better shape.

Edit: and I have pretty large paws... I've put a few hundred downrange with the P10 and had no problems at all.
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 4:44:05 PM EDT
Ya'll are all wrong.

The Kahr is a decent choice, but it is big

Everything else is short and fat, and that dosen't work well for concealibility.

The answer to this question is an AMT backup .45 with a trigger job, and either the Federal Encapsulated or Corbon PowRBall ammo. It is thin, lighter than all but the Kahr, and very pocket friendly. In an IWB holster it disappears. I actually have been casually frisked while SOB carrying, and "gotten by" [no it wasn't like that, I was in security guard training, acting as the instructor's "bad guy"] it's a little heavy for ankle carry, but I have seen heavier guns there, so to each their own.

Speer Gold Dots expand pretty well also, considering the short barrel.

Mine reliably feeds most any factory ammo I have tried, but for a gun that is theoretically the one most likely to be called upon to save your life, why take even slim chances?
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 4:47:55 PM EDT
Aggrh gasp glock,
How would I live.
10 rounds of .45 might as well have a ham stuffed in my pants
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 5:12:26 PM EDT

Originally Posted By macman37:

Originally Posted By John_Wayne777:

Originally Posted By snarfbatt:
any one have a suggestion?



Either a Glock 36 or a Sig P245.

Frankly I don't trust the tiny 1911s, and I am a real 1911 buff.

The G36 is just a skosh larger than my G26, which ain't half bad.



*tweeeet* instant revocation of Man Card for usage of "Skosh" in a gun thread...



**BOOOOOIIIIING** One minute penalty for using the word ''tweeeet'' in a gun thread!

(Sory, couldnt think of anything cooler to say than *BOING*)
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 5:23:15 PM EDT

Originally Posted By fossil_fuel:
taurus PT145 is about the smallest .45 out there. i know nothing about it's reliability or accuracy.

www.taurususa.com/products/product-details.cfm?model=145BP&category=Pistol






That is what I carry everyday. 10+1 of .45 doublestacked in the PT145 and if you wanted one slightly more narrow and lighter you could look at the PT745, it is single stack and 6+1. Never had a single hiccup, no problems. Not gonna do better than that IMO, plus they can be had NIB for $300 (I paid $279 for one last year) with a lifetime warranty. I prefer having the manual safety also.
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 5:24:47 PM EDT
I don't know if its too big but.......

I've got a para ord CCO and love it to death. It's definally my carry gun. 7+1 of .45 , and accurate as a icepick with a laser! I can shoot at steel plates 50yds off all day and not miss.
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 5:25:53 PM EDT
SA V10 Ultra compact



Currently residing in the EE.
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 5:29:05 PM EDT

Originally Posted By LANCEMAN:

Originally Posted By fossil_fuel:
taurus PT145 is about the smallest .45 out there. i know nothing about it's reliability or accuracy.

www.taurususa.com/products/product-details.cfm?model=145BP&category=Pistol

www.taurususa.com/imagesMain/H_145BP.jpg





That is what I carry everyday. 10+1 of .45 doublestacked in the PT145 and if you wanted one slightly more narrow and lighter you could look at the PT745, it is single stack and 6+1. Never had a single hiccup, no problems. Not gonna do better than that IMO, plus they can be had NIB for $300 (I paid $279 for one last year) with a lifetime warranty. I prefer having the manual safety also.




how's it shoot? what's the reliability like? this may be the first handgun i buy once i turn 21 and get a pistol permit.
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 5:29:58 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 6:52:49 PM EDT

Originally Posted By fossil_fuel:

<PT145>


how's it shoot? what's the reliability like? this may be the first handgun i buy once i turn 21 and get a pistol permit.



It has a long consistent trigger pull (around 8 pounds) that I had to get used to. It has a little kick but it isn't that heavy so no surprise there. Accuracy just depends on me doing my part, it does its job out to 10 yards when practicing drawing/firing, firing while moving, etc. I've never rested it and shot specifically for accuracy but that isn't exactly what it is intended for anyway.

I have fired around 600-700 rounds through this one and have not had any failures to speak of. Feeds and extracts like it should everytime. WWB, UMC, a little blazer, some old Starfires and W silvertips I wanted to rid myself of and a couple of hundred rounds of Georgia Arms JHP I currently carry in it have all performed flawlessly. I have read a couple of times about people having problems with Wolf .45 ammo in them but I wouldn't blame that on the gun.

If you are buying something to concealed carry or use for home defense it is a great choice. If you want something to just take to the range or shoot for pleasure there are better options out there of course.
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 6:54:19 PM EDT

Originally Posted By azhammer:

Originally Posted By macman37:

Originally Posted By John_Wayne777:

Originally Posted By snarfbatt:
any one have a suggestion?



Either a Glock 36 or a Sig P245.

Frankly I don't trust the tiny 1911s, and I am a real 1911 buff.

The G36 is just a skosh larger than my G26, which ain't half bad.



*tweeeet* instant revocation of Man Card for usage of "Skosh" in a gun thread...



**BOOOOOIIIIING** One minute penalty for using the word ''tweeeet'' in a gun thread!

(Sory, couldnt think of anything cooler to say than *BOING*)



That was my referee whistle!

Next time I'll "Throw" a flag like football refs do!
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 6:57:15 PM EDT
Officer's size 1911 or a Glock 36, depending on which operating system you're more comfortable with.
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 6:58:16 PM EDT

Originally Posted By John_Wayne777:

Originally Posted By snarfbatt:
any one have a suggestion?



Either a Glock 36 or a Sig P245.

Frankly I don't trust the tiny 1911s, and I am a real 1911 buff.

The G36 is just a skosh larger than my G26, which ain't half bad.


Why?
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 6:58:39 PM EDT
I just picked up a Taurus PT145....It's a great little 45, accurate and shoots great.

I only paid $279 + tax for mine, I like it so much I might pick up another.
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 6:59:53 PM EDT
"Personal foul, 15 yards on the defense. 1st down!"

HH
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 7:00:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/7/2006 7:00:57 PM EDT by fossil_fuel]
are the single stack PT145's significantly thinner, more comfortable or easier to conceal than the double stack ones? or does it not make that much of a difference?

thanks for the info
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 7:05:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/7/2006 7:07:27 PM EDT by unseenSNIPER]
What? Am I the first to say this?

Glock 39

It's really small. It shoots the .45 caliber.
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 7:12:44 PM EDT

Originally Posted By fossil_fuel:
are the single stack PT145's significantly thinner, more comfortable or easier to conceal than the double stack ones? or does it not make that much of a difference?

thanks for the info



The single stack version of the 145 is the 745. Here are the stats:

PT145 - Doublestack 10+1
Length: 6''
Width: 1.25"
Height: 5.125"
Weight: 23 oz

PT745 - Singlestack 6+1
Length: 6-1/8''
Width: 1.125"
Height: 5.2"
Weight: 20.8 oz.

As you can see the 745 is slightly longer, 1/8" narrower, a 1/16" taller, and the dry weight is 2 oz. lighter (not counting that it will have 4 less rounds in it also when loaded). Considering the size I would say it is pretty much a wash. I would rather have the PT145 with a few more ounces of weight and 11 rounds anyday.

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