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Posted: 8/27/2004 3:01:44 AM EDT

No BS, I really need it.

Due to the GWOT Lake City is no longer able to supply OGAs with ammo. Need Nato Spec ammo that will work in both GAU 17's and M60s. The key is the links, some work in both, some cause problems in the Mini's.

We have been using supposed Nato Spec ammo from Malaisia but it straight sucks, looking for perhaps Portugese?

Posted: 8/27/2004 3:07:40 AM EDT

[#1]

Sounds like something Ammoman might be able to help ya out with, did ya check with him?

www.ammoman.com

Mike

Posted: 8/27/2004 3:26:17 AM EDT

[#2]

Just get yourself a dillions reloading machine. I bet 4 million rounds would deffinatly be cost effective. But you wouldn't be able to work for like 1 month straight.

Posted: 8/27/2004 3:38:33 AM EDT

[#3]

Quoted:
Sounds like something Ammoman might be able to help ya out with, did ya check with him?

www.ammoman.com

Mike

As I told the VIP's that visited my launch site, "People who pay 30 grand for their own private machine gun dont shoot shit ammo" I want the opinions of FA shooters before I do like someone did last year and find a distributer that has that quanity on hand. Thats how we ended up with the bad ammo in the first place.

Posted: 8/27/2004 3:42:37 AM EDT

[#4]

Might want to post this in the M16 section also

Sounds like there's a market out there for someone with the knowledge and cash to set up another US military ammo manufacturing plant

Posted: 8/27/2004 4:06:13 AM EDT

[#5]

Quoted:
No BS, I really need it.

Due to the GWOT Lake City is no longer able to supply OGAs with ammo. Need Nato Spec ammo that will work in both GAU 17's and M60s. The key is the links, some work in both, some cause problems in the Mini's.

We have been using supposed Nato Spec ammo from Malaisia but it straight sucks, looking for perhaps Portugese?

at $.15 a round, that's $150,000!!!!! HOly shit, thats a lot of ammo.

WWVPCdo?

TXL

Posted: 8/27/2004 4:09:50 AM EDT

[#6]

"People who pay 30 grand for their own private machine gun dont shoot shit ammo"

yes they do. at bulletfest III, the minigun ran thru 13 cases of malay .308. i know...i was the one that cleaned up and threw away the ammo crates.

whatever is cheapest is usually sold out before the higher priced stuff.

that crappy yugoslavian .308 was running thru a lot of guns last weekend at minifest.

i've had mixed results with malay ammo. it's not something i would want to count on. the south african (not sure if it's nato spec...doubt it) runs well in everything i've tried. the brit ammo on the m60 links seems to run right thru the 60. you might call bob custer at the ammunitionstore.com and see what he has.

Posted: 8/27/2004 4:22:26 AM EDT

[#7]

oh, and I wanna party with you man!

TXL

Posted: 8/27/2004 4:25:03 AM EDT

[#8]

Psywar, are you OCONUS? I IM'ed you.

Posted: 8/27/2004 4:25:57 AM EDT

[#9]

I've got to remember to make it to the next bulletfest and bring the truck. I could make a fair amount of money just be reselling the brass to reloaders, or at worst, recycle it for brass content.

I think like a scrapper when I see any discarded metals. I see money lying in the ground.

CJ

Posted: 8/27/2004 6:35:29 AM EDT

[#10]

cmj, the president of the mapleton gun club (where we held the first 3 bulletfests) asked me if we could PLEASE not fill all of their 55-gallon trash bbls. up with brass! not even 3 guys could lift them up onto the truck to take to the scrap yard!

i went out with obershutze one night to police brass and there were several old guys crawling around, amaged that folks would toss 3k rounds of lake city brass! heheh!

at bullefest this year, we filled two car interiors with spent cases.

many gunners use wolf/other russoan-com bloc steel cased ammo. it's easy to pick up/separate with a magnet...but the scrap price is pretty low.

Posted: 8/27/2004 6:42:16 AM EDT

[#11]

I need 4 million rounds of 7.62 Ball Tracer Mix

Do you need any help shooting it up?

Posted: 8/27/2004 6:43:56 AM EDT

[#12]

have you checked with Jim McLoud?

www.gunsnh.com/

Posted: 8/27/2004 6:48:57 AM EDT

[#13]

I could break into my stash but don't want to take business away from Eric the Ammoman.

Posted: 8/27/2004 6:52:24 AM EDT

[#14]

IM sent.

Posted: 8/27/2004 9:42:31 AM EDT

[#15]

I'm ignorant -- What is an OGA?

Posted: 8/27/2004 12:20:37 PM EDT

[#16]

Quoted:
I'm ignorant -- What is an OGA?

Other Governmental Agency, IE a non DOD, but still US agency.

Thanks to all that provided me with links and possible sources. Unfortunatly where Im working they dont let us Gringos fire the guns operationaly, but I find the time to test the guns on a regular basis :-) Thats why you wont have to fight me for a place in line to fire a GAU at any of the shoots LOL.

To give feeback to some of the folks out there. With a GAU and the DAFD 2000 Feeder we are not able to run South African, the links are too weak and stretch causing timeing related jams. The Malay we have found numerous problems, some storage related, but also numerous rounds without powder, the primer pushing the bullet just far enough down the barrel to alow the next round to seat, and well then ya know what happens. Also with the Malay the primer sealent(looks like bright red fingernail polish that was put on my hand) gums up the bolts. The few minis Ive seen at Bulletfest and Knobb Creek were running an older (GE?) feeder/delinker and dont seem to have the problems with the SA ammo.

Posted: 8/27/2004 12:24:56 PM EDT

[#17]

I don't think Eric can provide 4 MILLION rounds, could he?

Well, maybe Cabelas can hook you up.

Posted: 8/27/2004 12:25:47 PM EDT

[#18]

Give IMI a call?

Posted: 8/27/2004 12:48:06 PM EDT

[#19]

Quoted:
Quoted:
No BS, I really need it.

Due to the GWOT Lake City is no longer able to supply OGAs with ammo. Need Nato Spec ammo that will work in both GAU 17's and M60s. The key is the links, some work in both, some cause problems in the Mini's.

We have been using supposed Nato Spec ammo from Malaisia but it straight sucks, looking for perhaps Portugese?

at $.15 a round, that's $150,000!!!!! HOly shit, thats a lot of ammo.

WWVPCdo?

TXL

At $.15/round I came up with $600,000. damn. I will be impressed if AR15.com can help fill that order!

Posted: 8/27/2004 12:54:48 PM EDT

[#20]

How about saving some of the surplus for the rest of us!

Posted: 8/27/2004 1:00:02 PM EDT

[#21]

might try alliant tech sytstems

Posted: 8/27/2004 1:07:22 PM EDT

[#22]

FWIW, I'm almost 100% sure M60_Howard uses SA ammo in his mini. That ammo should be ok. However if there's a problem running it because of the links being too weak, why not de-link, re-link on newer or US-made links, and give it another shot. Also check your feed chute; sounds like there may be something a little "off" with the SA links thats causing drag in either the feed chute or the feeder/delinker. I don't know abut the Malay - I didn't think it was NATO spec, but after your experience with it, I wouldn't use it. Just make sure anything you put in a mini is NATO spec. A hangfire in a mini certainly wouldn't be fun.

If you want, IM me and I can put you in touch with Howard for more info.

Posted: 8/27/2004 1:18:12 PM EDT

[#23]

Quoted:
FWIW, I'm almost 100% sure M60_Howard uses SA ammo in his mini. That ammo should be ok. However if there's a problem running it because of the links being too weak, why not de-link, re-link on newer or US-made links, and give it another shot. Also check your feed chute; sounds like there may be something a little "off" with the SA links thats causing drag in either the feed chute or the feeder/delinker. I don't know abut the Malay - I didn't think it was NATO spec, but after your experience with it, I wouldn't use it. Just make sure anything you put in a mini is NATO spec. A hangfire in a mini certainly wouldn't be fun.

If you want, IM me and I can put you in touch with Howard for more info.

I wish we had the time to link and or de-link ect. That would probably work in a traning enviroment, but not operationaly. As to the feed chute issue, we do have problems with them, like 50lb BOB's getting dropped on them and such, or even the 98lb LBG standing on it and thinking it should work!

I lost Howards Contact info after BF, so please put us in contact.

Posted: 8/27/2004 4:51:46 PM EDT

[#24]

OK I might be able to swing it - but I need specifics as to Production date acceptance, environment being used in etc. NATO Countries only for sure --
Price -- everything has a premium today.

IM me

Posted: 8/27/2004 4:55:17 PM EDT

[#25]

Operational enviroment

Im not a Contracting Officer, nor do I play one on TV, Nor did I stay in Holiday Inn express last nite so all the other details I will let you and the Loggies work out

Posted: 8/27/2004 5:13:08 PM EDT

[#26]

If Ammoman or the other vendors can't help you try Summit Ammo. They might have something for you.

They supplied a lot of the ClassIII guys at the Machingun shoots I've attended. Summit Ammo

Our little group alone probably shot off about $6K-$10K worth of the ammo in 2002 in the four days we were at Dry Creek. We were still shooting our left over supply of their ammo at the following years 2003 Dry Creek Machine gun shoot.

They trailered the last minute orders & back ordered ammo directly to the shoot and the rest were droped shipped months in advance. Bunch of kool guys.

Posted: 8/27/2004 5:26:48 PM EDT

[#27]

Quoted:
might try alliant tech sytstems

ATK is Lake City. and Federal and CCI/Speer.

I can tell you from a first hand perspective... Federal cannot take on an additional 4 million rounds in the foreseeable future.

Posted: 8/27/2004 5:59:59 PM EDT

[#28]

Let's see...I can crank out an honest 1K rounds an hour with my XL650, if I have help keeping all the hoppers fed. I can manage 10 hours a day of production time. 10K rounds a day. That's 400 days of work to make 4 million rounds. I'll have some big freaking arms and shoulders by the time that's done with! I can get the links made if I have the print.

Nah. Too much trouble.

Home reloading has its limits!

CJ