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Posted: 8/27/2004 2:01:44 AM EST
No BS, I really need it.

Due to the GWOT Lake City is no longer able to supply OGAs with ammo. Need Nato Spec ammo that will work in both GAU 17's and M60s. The key is the links, some work in both, some cause problems in the Mini's.

We have been using supposed Nato Spec ammo from Malaisia but it straight sucks, looking for perhaps Portugese?

Link Posted: 8/27/2004 2:07:40 AM EST
Sounds like something Ammoman might be able to help ya out with, did ya check with him?

www.ammoman.com

Mike
Link Posted: 8/27/2004 2:26:17 AM EST
Just get yourself a dillions reloading machine. I bet 4 million rounds would deffinatly be cost effective. But you wouldn't be able to work for like 1 month straight.
Link Posted: 8/27/2004 2:38:33 AM EST

Originally Posted By mr_wilson:
Sounds like something Ammoman might be able to help ya out with, did ya check with him?

www.ammoman.com

Mike




As I told the VIP's that visited my launch site, "People who pay 30 grand for their own private machine gun dont shoot shit ammo" I want the opinions of FA shooters before I do like someone did last year and find a distributer that has that quanity on hand. Thats how we ended up with the bad ammo in the first place.

Link Posted: 8/27/2004 2:42:37 AM EST
Link Posted: 8/27/2004 3:06:13 AM EST

Originally Posted By PSYWAR1-0:
No BS, I really need it.

Due to the GWOT Lake City is no longer able to supply OGAs with ammo. Need Nato Spec ammo that will work in both GAU 17's and M60s. The key is the links, some work in both, some cause problems in the Mini's.

We have been using supposed Nato Spec ammo from Malaisia but it straight sucks, looking for perhaps Portugese?




at $.15 a round, that's $150,000!!!!! HOly shit, thats a lot of ammo.

WWVPCdo?

TXL
Link Posted: 8/27/2004 3:09:50 AM EST
Link Posted: 8/27/2004 3:22:26 AM EST
oh, and I wanna party with you man!

TXL
Link Posted: 8/27/2004 3:25:03 AM EST
Psywar, are you OCONUS? I IM'ed you.
Link Posted: 8/27/2004 3:25:57 AM EST
Link Posted: 8/27/2004 5:35:29 AM EST
Link Posted: 8/27/2004 5:42:16 AM EST

I need 4 million rounds of 7.62 Ball Tracer Mix


Do you need any help shooting it up?
Link Posted: 8/27/2004 5:43:56 AM EST
have you checked with Jim McLoud?

www.gunsnh.com/
Link Posted: 8/27/2004 5:48:57 AM EST
Link Posted: 8/27/2004 5:52:24 AM EST
IM sent.
Link Posted: 8/27/2004 8:42:31 AM EST
I'm ignorant -- What is an OGA?
Link Posted: 8/27/2004 11:20:37 AM EST

Originally Posted By jblachly:
I'm ignorant -- What is an OGA?



Other Governmental Agency, IE a non DOD, but still US agency.

Thanks to all that provided me with links and possible sources. Unfortunatly where Im working they dont let us Gringos fire the guns operationaly, but I find the time to test the guns on a regular basis :-) Thats why you wont have to fight me for a place in line to fire a GAU at any of the shoots LOL.

To give feeback to some of the folks out there. With a GAU and the DAFD 2000 Feeder we are not able to run South African, the links are too weak and stretch causing timeing related jams. The Malay we have found numerous problems, some storage related, but also numerous rounds without powder, the primer pushing the bullet just far enough down the barrel to alow the next round to seat, and well then ya know what happens. Also with the Malay the primer sealent(looks like bright red fingernail polish that was put on my hand) gums up the bolts. The few minis Ive seen at Bulletfest and Knobb Creek were running an older (GE?) feeder/delinker and dont seem to have the problems with the SA ammo.

Link Posted: 8/27/2004 11:24:56 AM EST
I don't think Eric can provide 4 MILLION rounds, could he?

Well, maybe Cabelas can hook you up.
Link Posted: 8/27/2004 11:25:47 AM EST
Give IMI a call?
Link Posted: 8/27/2004 11:48:06 AM EST

Originally Posted By TxLewis:

Originally Posted By PSYWAR1-0:
No BS, I really need it.

Due to the GWOT Lake City is no longer able to supply OGAs with ammo. Need Nato Spec ammo that will work in both GAU 17's and M60s. The key is the links, some work in both, some cause problems in the Mini's.

We have been using supposed Nato Spec ammo from Malaisia but it straight sucks, looking for perhaps Portugese?




at $.15 a round, that's $150,000!!!!! HOly shit, thats a lot of ammo.

WWVPCdo?

TXL



At $.15/round I came up with $600,000. damn. I will be impressed if AR15.com can help fill that order!
Link Posted: 8/27/2004 11:54:48 AM EST
How about saving some of the surplus for the rest of us!
Link Posted: 8/27/2004 12:00:02 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/27/2004 12:04:27 PM EST by vintovka]
might try alliant tech sytstems
Link Posted: 8/27/2004 12:07:22 PM EST
FWIW, I'm almost 100% sure M60_Howard uses SA ammo in his mini. That ammo should be ok. However if there's a problem running it because of the links being too weak, why not de-link, re-link on newer or US-made links, and give it another shot. Also check your feed chute; sounds like there may be something a little "off" with the SA links thats causing drag in either the feed chute or the feeder/delinker. I don't know abut the Malay - I didn't think it was NATO spec, but after your experience with it, I wouldn't use it. Just make sure anything you put in a mini is NATO spec. A hangfire in a mini certainly wouldn't be fun.

If you want, IM me and I can put you in touch with Howard for more info.
Link Posted: 8/27/2004 12:18:12 PM EST

Originally Posted By shaggy:
FWIW, I'm almost 100% sure M60_Howard uses SA ammo in his mini. That ammo should be ok. However if there's a problem running it because of the links being too weak, why not de-link, re-link on newer or US-made links, and give it another shot. Also check your feed chute; sounds like there may be something a little "off" with the SA links thats causing drag in either the feed chute or the feeder/delinker. I don't know abut the Malay - I didn't think it was NATO spec, but after your experience with it, I wouldn't use it. Just make sure anything you put in a mini is NATO spec. A hangfire in a mini certainly wouldn't be fun.

If you want, IM me and I can put you in touch with Howard for more info.



I wish we had the time to link and or de-link ect. That would probably work in a traning enviroment, but not operationaly. As to the feed chute issue, we do have problems with them, like 50lb BOB's getting dropped on them and such, or even the 98lb LBG standing on it and thinking it should work!

I lost Howards Contact info after BF, so please put us in contact.
Link Posted: 8/27/2004 3:51:46 PM EST
OK I might be able to swing it - but I need specifics as to Production date acceptance, environment being used in etc. NATO Countries only for sure --
Price -- everything has a premium today.

IM me
Link Posted: 8/27/2004 3:55:17 PM EST
Operational enviroment

Im not a Contracting Officer, nor do I play one on TV, Nor did I stay in Holiday Inn express last nite so all the other details I will let you and the Loggies work out
Link Posted: 8/27/2004 4:13:08 PM EST
If Ammoman or the other vendors can't help you try Summit Ammo. They might have something for you.

They supplied a lot of the ClassIII guys at the Machingun shoots I've attended. Summit Ammo

Our little group alone probably shot off about $6K-$10K worth of the ammo in 2002 in the four days we were at Dry Creek. We were still shooting our left over supply of their ammo at the following years 2003 Dry Creek Machine gun shoot.

They trailered the last minute orders & back ordered ammo directly to the shoot and the rest were droped shipped months in advance. Bunch of kool guys.



Link Posted: 8/27/2004 4:26:48 PM EST

Originally Posted By vintovka:
might try alliant tech sytstems



ATK is Lake City. and Federal and CCI/Speer.

I can tell you from a first hand perspective... Federal cannot take on an additional 4 million rounds in the foreseeable future.
Link Posted: 8/27/2004 4:59:59 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/27/2004 5:07:54 PM EST
I'm guessing your mini's don't have the feeder motor?
Link Posted: 8/27/2004 5:11:46 PM EST

Originally Posted By dport:
I'm guessing your mini's don't have the feeder motor?



There is a boost motor on the ammo can, but not on the feeder itself
Link Posted: 8/27/2004 5:33:38 PM EST

Originally Posted By PSYWAR1-0:

Originally Posted By dport:
I'm guessing your mini's don't have the feeder motor?



There is a boost motor on the ammo can, but not on the feeder itself



And that's not helping with the links pulling apart?
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