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Posted: 4/30/2015 11:29:10 PM EDT
I know GD hates .40 and 9mm is SOOOOO much better but why was the .40 so popular by police and civilian for so long in the 90's and early 00's. How could we have all been so retarded when the 9mm was the obvious choice all along?
Link Posted: 4/30/2015 11:31:15 PM EDT
It was a larger caliber, therefore it had to be better.

I bought into it. I have two of them.
Link Posted: 4/30/2015 11:32:04 PM EDT
Bigger than 9mm without the increase in frame size that .45 ACP pistols often have?
Link Posted: 4/30/2015 11:33:06 PM EDT
I got both.
Link Posted: 4/30/2015 11:38:14 PM EDT
At that time, there wasn't enough Kaboomed Glocks to convince people otherwise
Link Posted: 4/30/2015 11:39:01 PM EDT
I was into 9 all along.
Link Posted: 4/30/2015 11:39:51 PM EDT
In on this
Link Posted: 4/30/2015 11:39:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/30/2015 11:42:20 PM EDT by Stripeknight]
I bought into it back in the day (my first hand gun 17 years ago when I turned 21, Glock 23) because of the published LEO one stop shot rates being published in Guns and Ammo magazine, it showed statistics that the .40 had a one stop shot rate much higher than any other mass produced round of 9 or 45 and was similar in one stop shot ratios at the time to the .357. Obviously that has changed based on the general mood of GD. Also, all my 9's are CZ's
Link Posted: 4/30/2015 11:40:17 PM EDT
Link Posted: 4/30/2015 11:41:12 PM EDT
It was advertised as more powerful than 9 weaker than 45 the perfect in between round . The reality is with early 90's ammo it was better than 9 . and not as good as 45 , Not it is not as good as either now that ammo has improved .
Link Posted: 4/30/2015 11:41:53 PM EDT
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Don't you read GD? It's clearly advances in ammunition technology. Modern 9mm ammo is equivalent to being shot with a .50 BMG.
Link Posted: 4/30/2015 11:42:00 PM EDT
9mm sucked until bonded JHPs hit the market.

It's only recently that 9 has been declared a pound for pound contender.

And that's still debated.
Link Posted: 4/30/2015 11:42:16 PM EDT
The gun world would be vastly different if people solely made decisions on what firearm is logically the best.
Link Posted: 4/30/2015 11:42:40 PM EDT
GD long ago agreed that the 9mm is a girl's cartridge, the 45 is a man's round.
Therefore, the 40cal being neither here nor there, is a metro-sexual, bisexual round for wanna be transsexuals.

Enjoy your balls across the nose, 40cal cock fags!
Link Posted: 4/30/2015 11:42:49 PM EDT
Ten round mag limits really helped .40 and totally revitalized .45.
Link Posted: 4/30/2015 11:42:56 PM EDT
I have never shot a .40.
Link Posted: 4/30/2015 11:43:09 PM EDT
.45 GAP
Link Posted: 4/30/2015 11:43:29 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Bullet_:
GD long ago agreed that the 9mm is a girl's cartridge, the 45 is a man's round.
Therefore, the 40cal being neither here nor there, is a metro-sexual, bisexual round for wanna be transsexuals.

Enjoy your balls across the nose, 40cal cock fags!
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Link Posted: 4/30/2015 11:44:15 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Dunderway:
Ten round mag limits really helped .40 and totally revitalized .45.
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All the raving about 6 round 9mm made me appreciate my .357 mag.
Link Posted: 4/30/2015 11:45:08 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Dunderway:
Ten round mag limits really helped .40 and totally revitalized .45.
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This.
Link Posted: 4/30/2015 11:47:05 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Dunderway:
Ten round mag limits really helped .40 and totally revitalized .45.
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This for sure. 90s reliance on print media is another. And the ridiculous"speed of a 9 and hitting power of a 45" bullshit that can still be heard...by guys selling 40s.
Link Posted: 4/30/2015 11:47:19 PM EDT
I have vastly improved .40 ammo after the 9mm was improved. So, now, my .40 > your 9mm.
Link Posted: 4/30/2015 11:49:37 PM EDT
Pick a reason, 9mm is better now even tho it sucked before.



It's not 45 and 45 is 45 so 45



None of the reasons that 9mm is better or that 45 is 45 apply to 40 so 40 sucks.



and 40 sucks, that's why
Link Posted: 4/30/2015 11:51:16 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Bullet_:
GD long ago agreed that the 9mm is a girl's cartridge, the 45 is a man's round.
Therefore, the 40cal being neither here nor there, is a metro-sexual, bisexual round for wanna be transsexuals.

Enjoy your balls across the nose, 40cal cock fags!
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Probably an unintended consequence, but Arf will now fall in love with the 40cal.
Link Posted: 4/30/2015 11:52:04 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Stripeknight:
I know GD hates .40 and 9mm is SOOOOO much better but why was the .40 so popular by police and civilian for so long in the 90's and early 00's. How could we have all been so retarded when the 9mm was the obvious choice all along?
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When the Winchester Black Talon came along,..that set the stage to end the need for the .40 S&W.

Prior to that, the 9mm loading a of the day, and even after the advent of the BT, Simply could not be counted on to expand and adequately penetrate enough. The .40 did, and gave a higher mag capacity than the .45 did, and also smaller handguns.

With I improvements in bullet technology, the is not much difference in terminal performance between the big 3 rounds, so why not have the gun with most capacity, less recoil, etc.?

Me...I love the .40. I've got 5 of them...I also love my VP9, and my 1911 in .45.

I would not feel underfunded with any of them and modern defensive ammunition.


Link Posted: 4/30/2015 11:52:39 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 4/30/2015 11:55:55 PM EDT
All three (9, 40, and 45) suck at their jobs. There is very little real world difference between the three.

Just pick one (or all) and go with it. There's no goddamn reason to min-max or over analyze every little fucking thing.
Link Posted: 4/30/2015 11:56:46 PM EDT
Superior intermediate barrier penetration than either 9mm or .45.
Link Posted: 4/30/2015 11:57:01 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By ZMV:
All three (9, 40, and 45) suck at their jobs. There is very little real world difference between the three.

Just pick one (or all) and go with it. There's no goddamn reason to min-max or over analyze every little fucking thing.
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And this.
Link Posted: 4/30/2015 11:57:45 PM EDT
.40 is to 10mm as .380 is to 9mm.
Link Posted: 4/30/2015 11:57:55 PM EDT
.40sw was created solely to inflict butthurt on 9mm owners who just cant live with the fact that some people have something just a little bit bigger and better than they do

its been very very effective

they could just be happy with their 9mm's, but no, they cant, the .40 consumes their minds day and night

that's what makes it so powerful
Link Posted: 5/1/2015 12:00:43 AM EDT
.40 Short & Weak
Link Posted: 5/1/2015 12:01:09 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Mossberg:
.40 is to 10mm as .380 is to 9mm.
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Analogy fail.

.40 is to 10mm as 9mm is to .357 magnum.

Do you even pressure assignment, bro?
Link Posted: 5/1/2015 12:03:03 AM EDT
40 was adopted before Gold Dot and HST
Link Posted: 5/1/2015 12:05:07 AM EDT
Started with 45

9 mm cuz g19
Link Posted: 5/1/2015 12:06:11 AM EDT
Back in the early 90's when my Dept switched from revolvers to Glock 17, we had numerous incidents of people being shot up 10-15 times and running around, surviving. Since we went to the G22, I cannot remember a time when someone survived several hits or run off after being hit. This is just anecdotal though.

This may be from poor marksmanship or bad 9mm ammo (Win 115 HP).

I would switch my G22 to a G17 if they gave me the option since I shoot 9mm better.
Link Posted: 5/1/2015 12:07:54 AM EDT
10mm is best mm......
Link Posted: 5/1/2015 12:09:06 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Sturmgewehr-JD:


Analogy fail.

.40 is to 10mm as 9mm is to .357 magnum.

Do you even pressure assignment, bro?
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Originally Posted By Sturmgewehr-JD:
Originally Posted By Mossberg:
.40 is to 10mm as .380 is to 9mm.


Analogy fail.

.40 is to 10mm as 9mm is to .357 magnum.

Do you even pressure assignment, bro?


Wheel gun ammo, lol!
Link Posted: 5/1/2015 12:12:33 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Stripeknight:
I know GD hates .40 and 9mm is SOOOOO much better but why was the .40 so popular by police and civilian for so long in the 90's and early 00's. How could we have all been so retarded when the 9mm was the obvious choice all along?
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Because it wasn't the obvious choice all along?

It is the obvious choice now, however. Bullet technology has gotten better. The performance difference between 9 and 40 (and 45) is marginal with high quality duty ammunition today. Might as well well go for cost and capacity.
Link Posted: 5/1/2015 12:14:59 AM EDT
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I'm a 10mm guy, it wins every caliber debate.

10mm > (45ACP = 40 SW = 9mm)

I'm not afraid of carrying 9mm, and I believe it is the best alternative to full power 10mm.

Link Posted: 5/1/2015 12:15:54 AM EDT
.40 is superior to the 9mm. Anybody that disagrees with that is wrong.
Link Posted: 5/1/2015 12:20:50 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By baron66:
.40 is superior to the 9mm. Anybody that disagrees with that is wrong.
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lol that was certainly definitive.
Link Posted: 5/1/2015 12:21:16 AM EDT
Give that guy a cookie...

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Originally Posted By DernHumpus:
I'm a 10mm guy, it wins every caliber debate.

10mm > (45ACP = 40 SW = 9mm)


I'm not afraid of carrying 9mm, and I believe it is the best alternative to full power 10mm.


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Link Posted: 5/1/2015 12:21:29 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Stripeknight:
I know GD hates .40 and 9mm is SOOOOO much better but why was the .40 so popular by police and civilian for so long in the 90's and early 00's. How could we have all been so retarded when the 9mm was the obvious choice all along?
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I LOVE my .40!

Will never own a 9!
Link Posted: 5/1/2015 12:24:44 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/1/2015 12:39:10 AM EDT by scuba_steve]
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Originally Posted By JAD762:
9mm sucked until bonded JHPs hit the market.

It's only recently that 9 has been declared a pound for pound contender.

And that's still debated.
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Yeah, a couple famous incidents where LE was seemingly outgunned provided a motivation for agencies to switch to a larger caliber. Couple that situation with the AWB hitting in 94, when civilians who purchased new pistols were limited to 10 round mags since new "high-cap" mags could not be manufactured for civilian sale, and you had a perfect storm.

Gun manufacturers offered large incentives for LE agencies to trade-in their 9mm pistols and mags for replacement .40 S&Ws. They were then able to sell 9mm pistols to civilians with one high-cap mag using the LE trade-ins...for a large profit. The end result was that many LE agencies went to .40 S&W fairly quickly. Many civilians then followed suit since 1) the general perception was that 9mm was underpowered, 2) the cops were all going to .40 S&W, and 3) if I am limited to 10 rounds, they might as well be a larger caliber.


And yeah, I had a 9mm at the time and I got sucked in too. Fortunately, I did not get rid of my 9mm, which is still my favorite pistol - a W. German P228.
Link Posted: 5/1/2015 12:27:26 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Dunderway:
Ten round mag limits really helped .40 and totally revitalized .45.
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This had a lot to do with it. In a G23, 13 to 10 seemed like less of a loss then 15 to 10 in a G19..
Link Posted: 5/1/2015 12:28:33 AM EDT
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Wheel gun ammo, lol!
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Originally Posted By Mossberg:
Originally Posted By Sturmgewehr-JD:
Originally Posted By Mossberg:
.40 is to 10mm as .380 is to 9mm.


Analogy fail.

.40 is to 10mm as 9mm is to .357 magnum.

Do you even pressure assignment, bro?


Wheel gun ammo, lol!


Do

you

even

pressure

assignment,

bro?
Link Posted: 5/1/2015 12:30:32 AM EDT
460 Rowland settles it.
Link Posted: 5/1/2015 12:34:01 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Bullet_:
GD long ago agreed that the 9mm is a girl's cartridge, the 45 is a man's round.
Therefore, the 40cal being neither here nor there, is a metro-sexual, bisexual round for wanna be transsexuals.

Enjoy your balls across the nose, 40cal cock fags!
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So what would Chuck Norris carry, if he had the need or felt like carrying? I would assume 10 mm, because they don't make an 11 mm, yet.
Link Posted: 5/1/2015 12:34:49 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Dunderway:
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Yep.

If they'd had standard cap mags for USP compacts back when I bought mine, I'd have gotten 9x19.
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