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Posted: 8/3/2009 5:45:59 PM EST
Not only is the .gov going to save money by cutting off major operations and expenditures on the elderly, they are going to be pressured to do it to save money by letting them die so they won't have to pay Social Security.
Link Posted: 8/3/2009 5:47:21 PM EST

Originally Posted By TheOtherDave:
Not only is the .gov going to save money by cutting off major operations and expenditures on the elderly, they are going to be pressured to do it to save money by letting them die so they won't have to pay Social Security.

Yeah, that's about right.
Link Posted: 8/3/2009 5:49:16 PM EST


Obama's health care professionals man the disintegration stations.


CJ
Link Posted: 8/3/2009 6:03:25 PM EST
The death factories of Soylent Green, could become a reality.
Link Posted: 8/3/2009 6:06:33 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/3/2009 6:07:57 PM EST by TheOtherDave]
"Mam, we're sorry you broke your hip and can't walk. Our budget won't allow for a hip replacement...You're just going to have to tough it out. Maybe if you were Transgender we could write it up as part of the conversion.. Wanna try that angle? Oohhh those ARE some nasty bruises! Would you like to take some painkillers home with you to tide you over until your appointment with an Affairs Settlement Specialist? I can write a scrip for say 2 weeks, the Settlement Specialist will be available in 3 weeks... "

<leans over to her son>

"I give her a month tops before the blood clots get her-you'd be well advised to take her to Mexico and have the operation done. I can give you a referral, for a fee."
Link Posted: 8/3/2009 6:09:54 PM EST
Originally Posted By TheOtherDave:
Not only is the .gov going to save money by cutting off major operations and expenditures on the elderly, they are going to be pressured to do it to save money by letting them die so they won't have to pay Social Security.


Older voters tend to be more conservative as well.

WIN-WIN-WIN for the collectivist slavedrivers
Link Posted: 8/3/2009 6:14:57 PM EST
There was a movie that came out in 1976 called LOGAN'S RUN.

It was a science fiction piece set in the future.

Society had become a utopia, you could have anything you wanted.

There was only one catch.

No one was allowed to live past age 35. The government killed you when you hit 35.

This health care plan reminds me of that.
Link Posted: 8/3/2009 6:20:39 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/3/2009 6:21:04 PM EST by Texkaw]
Originally Posted By TheRocketmac:

Originally Posted By TheOtherDave:
Not only is the .gov going to save money by cutting off major operations and expenditures on the elderly, they are going to be pressured to do it to save money by letting them die so they won't have to pay Social Security.

Yeah, that's about right.


It's called a conflict of interest, it's unethical, and it should be illegal.

Link Posted: 8/3/2009 6:21:59 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/3/2009 6:22:23 PM EST by Texkaw]
Originally Posted By omega62:
There was a movie that came out in 1976 called LOGAN'S RUN.

It was a science fiction piece set in the future.

Society had become a utopia, you could have anything you wanted.

There was only one catch.

No one was allowed to live past age 35. The government killed you when you hit 35.

This health care plan reminds me of that.


Jenny Agutter was young, hawt and bra-less in that movie. Those little dresses were nice and short too.
Link Posted: 8/3/2009 6:23:13 PM EST
Obama hates white people and wants to kill them off (goodbye boomers).
Link Posted: 8/3/2009 6:23:17 PM EST
What was the age in Logan's Run? 34?
Link Posted: 8/3/2009 6:24:50 PM EST
Originally Posted By Texkaw:
Originally Posted By TheRocketmac:

Originally Posted By TheOtherDave:
Not only is the .gov going to save money by cutting off major operations and expenditures on the elderly, they are going to be pressured to do it to save money by letting them die so they won't have to pay Social Security.

Yeah, that's about right.


It's called a conflict of interest, it's unethical, and it should be illegal.



the government has no problem with conflicts of interest.

that would require a conscience, and morals, they have none.
Link Posted: 8/3/2009 6:36:13 PM EST
Originally Posted By Popobawa:
Obama hates white people and wants to kill them off (goodbye boomers).


That's both racist and counterproductive, WHO WILL PAY THE BILLS IF THE WHITE MIDDLE CLASS GOES AWAY?
Link Posted: 8/3/2009 6:58:14 PM EST
Originally Posted By TheRocketmac:

Originally Posted By TheOtherDave:
Not only is the .gov going to save money by cutting off major operations and expenditures on the elderly, they are going to be pressured to do it to save money by letting them die so they won't have to pay Social Security.

Yeah, that's about right.


True!
Link Posted: 8/3/2009 7:22:07 PM EST

Originally Posted By AlvinYork:
Originally Posted By Popobawa:
Obama hates white people and wants to kill them off (goodbye boomers).


That's both racist and counterproductive, WHO WILL PAY THE BILLS IF THE WHITE MIDDLE CLASS GOES AWAY?

Same people that pay all the bills now..................

the white upper class.

Link Posted: 8/3/2009 7:25:18 PM EST
Originally Posted By AlvinYork:
Originally Posted By Popobawa:
Obama hates white people and wants to kill them off (goodbye boomers).


That's both racist and counterproductive, WHO WILL PAY THE BILLS IF THE WHITE MIDDLE CLASS GOES AWAY?
Socialism works until the money runs out.

Link Posted: 8/3/2009 7:25:48 PM EST
Originally Posted By AlvinYork:
Originally Posted By Popobawa:
Obama hates white people and wants to kill them off (goodbye boomers).


That's both racist and counterproductive, WHO WILL PAY THE BILLS IF THE WHITE MIDDLE CLASS GOES AWAY?


You will when he collects your bank accounts contents. Look at the summary of the healthcare bill. It gives the .gov full access to all bank accounts. You die, the keep your cash.

Tell it won't fuckin happen.
Link Posted: 8/3/2009 7:29:44 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/3/2009 7:29:56 PM EST by No-Worries]
Link Posted: 8/3/2009 7:30:54 PM EST
Obamacare. Genocide for old folks.
Link Posted: 8/3/2009 7:31:07 PM EST
Originally Posted By omega62:
There was a movie that came out in 1976 called LOGAN'S RUN.

It was a science fiction piece set in the future.

Society had become a utopia, you could have anything you wanted.

There was only one catch.

No one was allowed to live past age 35. The government killed you when you hit 35.

This health care plan reminds me of that.


There's a star trek the next generation like that, too. What's really scary was that show was scripted to current events, set to the future. it was like season 4, if I remember right there was a social security and medicare medicade chrises like the healthscare right now.
Link Posted: 8/3/2009 7:35:49 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/3/2009 7:36:42 PM EST by SGTCap]
Originally Posted By BangStick1:
Obamacare. Genocide for old folks.


I doubt he will descriminate based on age. I cant see him sending a poor old black lady to the grave (especially if she doesnt have any money). Now an old white guy with plenty in the bank to confiscate is another story. THey'll be denied care for a ingrown toenail until it gets infected and kills them.


Anyone else see a huge market for black market medicial practices/ prescription drugs popping up in our future?

Antibiotics are gonna be the next hot pill on the market
Link Posted: 8/3/2009 7:41:24 PM EST
Every possible nightmare outcome you can dream of is going to be fair game for the Obamabots in their quest to control America.......

Middle aged white guy walks up to ER Triage nurse puffing for air.....Nurse says "having some chest pain?. Let me see your ID.'

Runs off to consult national database. Returns and says...." your a firearms supporter, the latest university research shows that
firearms owners are at high risk of dying from self inflicted accidental gunshots. The policy as implemented by the Messiah states
you are not eligible for treatement. Sorry."
Link Posted: 8/3/2009 7:46:09 PM EST
Originally Posted By thexrayboy:
Every possible nightmare outcome you can dream of is going to be fair game for the Obamabots in their quest to control America.......

Middle aged white guy walks up to ER Triage nurse puffing for air.....Nurse says "having some chest pain?. Let me see your ID.'

Runs off to consult national database. Returns and says...." your a firearms supporter, the latest university research shows that
firearms owners are at high risk of dying from self inflicted accidental gunshots. The policy as implemented by the Messiah states
you are not eligible for treatement. Sorry."


What's stoppin the guy from going ape shit and killing everyone at the local .gov office... might as well go full retard in this case
Link Posted: 8/3/2009 8:41:24 PM EST
My concern isn't the rationing, it is the years of massive deficits and cost overruns that are sure to come as a result of not having the guts to limit care. Everyone will try to outdo themselves in compassion to curry favor from the voters, so we will get liver transplants for alcoholics, mental health benefits for addicts of all varieties, coverage of experimental gene therapies and expensive anti-viral cocktails for the politically correct disease of the moment. Motion pictures like Lorenzo's Oil, and Philedelphia will do more to decide what is covered than any rational decision making process. Just put some sad sack kid with an affliction on Oprah and watch the politicians trip over themselves to see how fast they can flush away limited resources.

Failure to control costs will be more of a problem than rationing... at least initially. Hell, how many years have we known that SS and Medicare are unsustainable? So what do we do? A prescription drug benefit...outstanding. This is shameless vote buying at it's worst.

Folks should be taught from an early age to take care of themselves and their family. They should be taught to save. People who rely on the state to take care of them are in for some rough times.

Anyone who thinks the "rich" can foot the bill for this is retarded.

Anyone who thinks that there are hundreds of billions in savings there for the picking that will cover the tab is crazy.

Anyone who thinks other people's money should be forcibly taken from them and given to someone else is of the same moral equivalence as a slave owner.

I doubt 5% of the population feels this way, so the thuggery of mob rule will continue until the ideal of equal protection under the law becomes a priority.

FO!
Link Posted: 8/3/2009 8:45:41 PM EST
Originally Posted By Keith_J:
What was the age in Logan's Run? 34?




Nope. 30.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WUUnc1M0TA
Link Posted: 8/3/2009 8:46:45 PM EST
Originally Posted By TheOtherDave:
Not only is the .gov going to save money by cutting off major operations and expenditures on the elderly, they are going to be pressured to do it to save money by letting them die so they won't have to pay Social Security.


You are a fine,fine detective...How do you do it?
Link Posted: 8/3/2009 8:51:52 PM EST
Yeah, we know they will mess with end of life stuff, but how about beginning of life?
"Sorry kids, but invitro fertilization just isn't possible for you - besides, your genetic makeup is below spec and your wife is a bit overweight, which means your child is xx% more likely to be a burden too." Would you like a coupon for a trip to the worlds greatest themepark instead?


I'm sorry but the system shows that you were driving 67 miles an hour in a 55 zone less than twenty minutes ago. Please pay your citation with the local authorities first since this is not a life threatening situation. NEXT!
Link Posted: 8/3/2009 8:55:51 PM EST

Originally Posted By cobra-ak:
Originally Posted By AlvinYork:
Originally Posted By Popobawa:
Obama hates white people and wants to kill them off (goodbye boomers).


That's both racist and counterproductive, WHO WILL PAY THE BILLS IF THE WHITE MIDDLE CLASS GOES AWAY?
Socialism works until the money runs out.


Money ran out a long time ago. Doesn't seem to have slowed things down here.
Link Posted: 8/3/2009 9:00:55 PM EST
Originally Posted By Johnny_Reno:
Originally Posted By Keith_J:
What was the age in Logan's Run? 34?




Nope. 30.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WUUnc1M0TA


Yep
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSnLU9nyFSA
Link Posted: 8/3/2009 9:01:07 PM EST
Originally Posted By Texkaw:
Originally Posted By TheRocketmac:

Originally Posted By TheOtherDave:
Not only is the .gov going to save money by cutting off major operations and expenditures on the elderly, they are going to be pressured to do it to save money by letting them die so they won't have to pay Social Security.

Yeah, that's about right.


It's called a conflict of interest, it's unethical, and it should be illegal.



It is illegal.

Link Posted: 8/3/2009 9:03:41 PM EST

Originally Posted By SGTCap:
Originally Posted By BangStick1:
Obamacare. Genocide for old folks.


I doubt he will descriminate based on age. I cant see him sending a poor old black lady to the grave (especially if she doesnt have any money). Now an old white guy with plenty in the bank to confiscate is another story. THey'll be denied care for a ingrown toenail until it gets infected and kills them.


Anyone else see a huge market for black market medicial practices/ prescription drugs popping up in our future?

Antibiotics are gonna be the next hot pill on the market

A bank account set aside solely for medical tourism is going to be a requirement for decent health care very soon.
Link Posted: 8/3/2009 9:07:32 PM EST
Renew!! RENEW!!
Link Posted: 8/3/2009 9:14:35 PM EST
No one in Washington wants to acknowledge one basic fact.

They are promising the impossible.

They are stating they intend to provide more and better healthcare to more people than are currently recieving care.
They also are stating the intend to do it at a "lower cost" than things currently cost.
They promise that the quality of the care they will be giving to all these people will not decrease compared to todays standards.

What they are promising is not physically or fiscally possible.

What they will deliver will be something far far different than what they are promising.

Link Posted: 8/4/2009 3:21:52 AM EST
Originally Posted By thexrayboy:
Every possible nightmare outcome you can dream of is going to be fair game for the Obamabots in their quest to control America.......

Middle aged white guy walks up to ER Triage nurse puffing for air.....Nurse says "having some chest pain?. Let me see your ID.'

Runs off to consult national database. Returns and says...." your a firearms supporter, the latest university research shows that
firearms owners are at high risk of dying from self inflicted accidental gunshots. The policy as implemented by the Messiah states
you are not eligible for treatement. Sorry."


It'll be a good way for rahmbo to kill off republican doners.

Link Posted: 8/4/2009 3:25:03 AM EST
Originally Posted By omega62:
There was a movie that came out in 1976 called LOGAN'S RUN.

It was a science fiction piece set in the future.

Society had become a utopia, you could have anything you wanted.

There was only one catch.

No one was allowed to live past age 35. The government killed you when you hit 35.

This health care plan reminds me of that.


That's what the one I first thought of too. I just could not remember the name.

Link Posted: 8/4/2009 4:01:04 AM EST
A few positive things about this:

1. People save more for retirement so they can pay for medical care somewhere when they are old. Good for them, bad for the economy (and Obama gets the blame).

2. People with money decide to re-locate to places that treat older people with money (includes China, India, etc.). Good for them, bad for the economy (and Obama gets the blame).

3. People examine the health care plans of Congressmen, Presidents, retired officials and government workers and say "Hell no!". The elites fancy plans get canceled by the voters.
Link Posted: 8/4/2009 5:29:50 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/4/2009 6:49:25 AM EST by AlvinYork]
Originally Posted By SGTCap:
Originally Posted By AlvinYork:
Originally Posted By Popobawa:
Obama hates white people and wants to kill them off (goodbye boomers).


That's both racist and counterproductive, WHO WILL PAY THE BILLS IF THE WHITE MIDDLE CLASS GOES AWAY?


You will when he collects your bank accounts contents. Look at the summary of the healthcare bill. It gives the .gov full access to all bank accounts. You die, the keep your cash.

Tell it won't fuckin happen.


Not just bank accounts, but also pension funds, annuities, children's college funds, and piggy banks. After all it is our patriotic duty to bend over and grab our ankles.
Link Posted: 8/4/2009 5:38:25 AM EST
Last day, Capricorn 29's. Year of the City: 2274. Carousel begins.



Link Posted: 8/4/2009 10:04:27 AM EST
Originally Posted By Skunkeye:
My concern isn't the rationing, it is the years of massive deficits and cost overruns that are sure to come as a result of not having the guts to limit care. Everyone will try to outdo themselves in compassion to curry favor from the voters, so we will get liver transplants for alcoholics, mental health benefits for addicts of all varieties, coverage of experimental gene therapies and expensive anti-viral cocktails for the politically correct disease of the moment. Motion pictures like Lorenzo's Oil, and Philedelphia will do more to decide what is covered than any rational decision making process. Just put some sad sack kid with an affliction on Oprah and watch the politicians trip over themselves to see how fast they can flush away limited resources.
under the law becomes a priority.

FO!


They are already doing this..... They have set a maximum age for major operations and procedures, but will gladly pay for a transgender surgery because it's a "mental health/quality of life" problem for people suffering being trapped in the wrong body.
Link Posted: 8/4/2009 2:30:44 PM EST
Originally Posted By packingXDs:

Originally Posted By cobra-ak:
Originally Posted By AlvinYork:
Originally Posted By Popobawa:
Obama hates white people and wants to kill them off (goodbye boomers).


That's both racist and counterproductive, WHO WILL PAY THE BILLS IF THE WHITE MIDDLE CLASS GOES AWAY?
Socialism works until the money runs out.


Money ran out a long time ago. Doesn't seem to have slowed things down here.


Not just yet
Link Posted: 8/4/2009 2:34:58 PM EST
First it was cash for clunkers, now it's cash for seniors.
Link Posted: 8/4/2009 2:42:12 PM EST
Originally Posted By thexrayboy:
Every possible nightmare outcome you can dream of is going to be fair game for the Obamabots in their quest to control America.......

Middle aged white guy walks up to ER Triage nurse puffing for air.....Nurse says "having some chest pain?. Let me see your ID.'

Runs off to consult national database. Returns and says...." your a firearms supporter, the latest university research shows that
firearms owners are at high risk of dying from self inflicted accidental gunshots. The policy as implemented by the Messiah states
you are not eligible for treatement. Sorry."





More than that. With gov't collecting database full of information on all of us, what are they gonna do with
it?

They will weigh and measure, eventually coming up with some scoring system. Bonus points if you are a Dem
Negative points if you are Rep. etc. etc.

That will decide if you get the 'preferred care' or the shaft.

Kinda like in soviet russia, where if you were not in the communist party, you were a nobody.
Link Posted: 8/4/2009 2:54:41 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/4/2009 3:00:49 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/4/2009 3:05:25 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/4/2009 3:05:39 PM EST by LoganSackett]
Don't forget the abortion issue. Once they find out they can't support the whole population, time to cut down the population. Mandatory abortions aren't too far out of the question if they can't pay for everyone.
Link Posted: 8/4/2009 3:07:26 PM EST
Originally Posted By SGTCap:

You will when he collects your bank accounts contents. Look at the summary of the healthcare bill. It gives the .gov full access to all bank accounts. You die, the keep your cash.


You know, I don't agree with the bill or the ideas behind it, but I wish everyone who was smart enough to read that insane "summary" that's going around was smart enough to crack the fucking bill and read it themselves. Ignorance is fuel for the enemy.

Link Posted: 8/4/2009 3:08:09 PM EST
This administration is all about class warfare.

Young vs. old, poor vs. rich, minorities vs. whites; its really quite pathetic. Gangsters in the white house playing Chicago style intimidation politics. Wonderful.
Link Posted: 8/4/2009 3:11:19 PM EST
Originally Posted By Jonny_Flashbang:
Originally Posted By Texkaw:
Originally Posted By TheRocketmac:

Originally Posted By TheOtherDave:
Not only is the .gov going to save money by cutting off major operations and expenditures on the elderly, they are going to be pressured to do it to save money by letting them die so they won't have to pay Social Security.

Yeah, that's about right.


It's called a conflict of interest, it's unethical, and it should be illegal.



It is illegal.


Maybe so, until this bill passes. "Managed care" my ass, this is exactly what we'll get. Look at all the radicals the Kenyan has appointed Czars. This guy and his cronies are dangerous and if not stopped there will be trouble. I don't think we've seen anything yet.






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