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Posted: 4/12/2006 1:59:32 PM EST
I have had it with President Bush, who I campaigned for TWICE.

I have had it with all the fucking liars sitting in Washington with a big R after their name.

The final straw was an action by my state legislators. They gave the senate majority leader the boot in a super secret closed door session. Why you ask? Because he is too conservative. The boys up for re-election are afraid acting like a Republican will not get the "swing" votes. Guess who that voting block is?

They voted a moderate female republican into the position of Senate Majority Leader. She probably speaks more than one language.

Stewart Iverson spent nine years as SML, and in the process help MANY of his peers get elected, and re-elected.

The ungratefull pigs.

So...what the hell do I do now? Sit home on election night? Vote for some mental case running on the Libertarian ticket?


The one thing I am sure of is this; I will no longer vote for Republicans who are no more interested in upholding the Constitution than their Democratic twins.
Link Posted: 4/12/2006 2:02:59 PM EST
Reform the Republican party. Somehow.

I wish I had a step-by-step guide to doing so...
Link Posted: 4/12/2006 2:05:00 PM EST
Work inside the party to change it through the primary process.

What good is it going to do to elect libs, or throw your vote away?
Link Posted: 4/12/2006 2:07:14 PM EST
[Last Edit: 4/12/2006 2:08:06 PM EST by Arkansas_Rocketman]
You have expressed exactly how I feel too. What in the hell are we going to do? Be libertarians or form our own party made up exclusively of logically thinking honest conservatives?

I'm pissed and don't know what to do. Politics have been so much fun in the past but I guess that I have lost yet another pleasant past time.

Ayn Rand, where are you?
Link Posted: 4/12/2006 2:08:25 PM EST
Vote from the rooftops.
Link Posted: 4/12/2006 2:08:29 PM EST
YAY Hillary!!!! Sweet, the new AWB won't have a sunset and my taxes will double. Thanks for that.
Link Posted: 4/12/2006 2:09:18 PM EST
Start looking for INDIVIDUALS that support your ideas.

The system we have now is broken beyond repair. The political parties are nothing more than machines for shitting out cookie cutter candidates that answer to the machine and those that feed it only.

The individual citizen in this nation doesn't even show up on their radar anymore and anyone that thinks they do is smoking some *really* good shit. Look at the illegals, Communists and Socialists that invaded D.C. the other day AND GOT A *WILLING* AUDIENCE from the usual suspects.

We're witnessing the ultimate outcome of the "Me!" mindset. People who gain power solely for their own purposes and with NO thought to any sort of damage it may do to ANYONE else in the process.

The Founding Fathers knew what they were doing when they wrote the Second. I'd say I can CLEARLY see that provision being needed before I die.
Link Posted: 4/12/2006 2:09:51 PM EST

Originally Posted By oulufinn:
YAY Hillary!!!! Sweet, the new AWB won't have a sunset and my taxes will double. Thanks for that.



If Hilary gets elected, f*Ck it I'm leaving...
Link Posted: 4/12/2006 2:11:25 PM EST
It has been a huge disappointment. They finally controlled both houses AND the white house, and all they've done is spend money like Hillary wished she could have spent it. The "Contract with America" amounted to nothing. Worse than nothing, even.
Link Posted: 4/12/2006 2:12:31 PM EST
I know how you feel.

I feel like I'm stuck. If I break away and vote for a libertarian (sp?), who has no real chance of winning, I am essentially giving a vote to the Democrats. If I just keep blindly voting Republican because they are the lesser of two evils, nothing changes.

I want to vote for change, but not prop up an rights-squashing party like the Democrats.
Link Posted: 4/12/2006 2:13:03 PM EST
[Last Edit: 4/12/2006 2:15:52 PM EST by Delta-Swift]
Maybe instead of reforming the parties we have, we should get more. I say forget the two-party system. I need more options than that. A multiple-party system (more than 2) would have much better chances of accurately reflecting the opinions and beliefs of party members. How the hell one would go about changing our system over to a multiple-party system is beyond me, though. And the likelihood that party members in power would support the possible weakening of their parties is not good.
Link Posted: 4/12/2006 2:17:29 PM EST
The republican party is simply the lesser of two evils and has been for a long time. What can be done? Who knows. I'm thinking about voting Libertarian. I may be throwing my vote away, but at least it won't be wasted on the worthless scoundrels in office now.
Link Posted: 4/12/2006 2:19:29 PM EST

Originally Posted By AR-10:
They voted a moderate female republican into the position of Senate Majority Leader. She probably speaks more than one language.



Just as a side question, what's wrong with having a female in position of power? And what's wrong with speaking more than one language? I'm English-fluent, Spanish-conversational (intending to become fluent), and German-basic-conversational (also intending to become at least near-fluent). Should I not be in a position of power?
Link Posted: 4/12/2006 2:20:07 PM EST
Sad thing is we "conservatives" will never get more organized than the last time W was voted in.
It was a land slide because we all saw War and Security as they only things that mattered.

We took the Supreme Court and for that you should be extremely thankful for IMHO.

We need to get more organized - 100,000 Can's can march in a city with 2 weeks notice
FFS we need to show our unity!
Link Posted: 4/12/2006 2:26:44 PM EST
[Last Edit: 4/12/2006 2:27:17 PM EST by ToddB]
After the republicans refusal to take a hard line with illegal immigrants, and finding out that March 2006 has set the record for federal spending, I to want to leave the party. It sickens me that there is no one of character in government willing to stand up for this country.
Link Posted: 4/12/2006 2:26:57 PM EST
I honestly think that we should all vote the Democratic party line in the next election. If this doesn't wake up the rRepublican party, then let it die and join the conservative party and get them to stop rubber stamping replublcratic candidates.
Link Posted: 4/12/2006 2:36:39 PM EST
2006 (maybe 2008) is going to be the year in which the third parties gain a seat at the table. When they receive 10%+ of the vote they become capable of swinging elections and their issues must be considered. If everyone who felt better represented by the LP or CP voted their conscience, and we convinced even a small portion of those that are so fed up they don't bother to vote to give a third party a try, we'd break the two party monopoly.

The LP can be reformed into a viable political party, I've posted the proposed platform changes before on this forum, get involved now while the border issue (among others) is being debated.

The GOP cannot be reformed without a serious threat to motivate them. They've lost the middle for the immediate future, there is little chance they'll retain the majority, and every chance they'll move farther to the left in pursuit of votes, further eroding their support from the right.

The GOP will never be able to address the issues you care about in any meaningful way until we address the need for significant monetary reform, which isn't even a possibility under GOP leadership. They're destined to fail.

The LP and the CP both have decent positions on that, the core issue underlying all others, including immigration.

Pick the party that best represents your views and get active.
Link Posted: 4/12/2006 2:49:04 PM EST
I think this is a situation which proves the old saying that money is the root of all evil. It's money that prevents a third party from having a snowballs chance in Hell of participating in a national election. I read somewhere that in 08 each presidential candidate will spend something on the order of 450 million dollars. WTF? Without an enormous party machine, who can ante up like that? No wonder they don't want the paltry matching funds.

At the risk of being flamed on the 1st amendment/money as political speech front, I think there is just too much fucking money in politics. I'd much rather see an even playing field that allowed any candidate who met reasonable criteria to be able to run on his or her merits rather than their fund raising ability. It's just fucking insane.

I don't know what the solution is, but as it stands there is a certain Romanesque character to things; only those with the biggest warchests can play.
Link Posted: 4/12/2006 2:51:55 PM EST

Originally Posted By Captain_Picard:
At the risk of being flamed on the 1st amendment/money as political speech front, I think there is just too much fucking money in politics.



Makes me wonder if free speech with regards to politics should not apply to corrporations.

How much money to corps give as opposed to individuals?
Link Posted: 4/12/2006 2:53:12 PM EST
Seems like many here have forgotten how bad the alternative is.

LBJ
Carter
Clinton

Schum­er
Fienstein
Clinton


Your choices are Republican, Democrat or No choice.

"If you choose not to choose, you still have made a choice" - Getty Lee
Link Posted: 4/12/2006 2:58:38 PM EST

.

Ayn Rand, where are you?



Either spinning, or laughing in her grave.
Link Posted: 4/12/2006 3:02:12 PM EST

Originally Posted By Q3131A:
Seems like many here have forgotten how bad the alternative is.

LBJ
Carter
Clinton

Schum­er
Fienstein
Clinton


Your choices are Republican, Democrat or No choice.

"If you choose not to choose, you still have made a choice" - Getty Lee



It's more like a choice between the Guillotine or the hangman's noose with a short drop so you slowly strangle. The cycles needs to be broken somehow or the end result is the same.
Link Posted: 4/12/2006 3:02:38 PM EST
What percentage of the vote did H Ross Perot get when he ran?

Let’s see, Third party candidate + unpopular incumbent republican + 500 million of his own money + good campaign advisors + ok platform = 8 years of Bill Clinton
Link Posted: 4/12/2006 3:03:28 PM EST
Sound like we are ready to let some serious gun control in...

I'd like to see a show of hands..

How many here are ready to become felons because they own AR15s..??..



Come on....

We're going to have to do better than that if we are bound and determined to let the Democrats in...

Link Posted: 4/12/2006 3:06:56 PM EST
[Last Edit: 4/12/2006 3:07:47 PM EST by Delta-Swift]

Originally Posted By Q3131A:
Seems like many here have forgotten how bad the alternative is.

LBJ
Carter
Clinton

Schum­er
Fienstein
Clinton


Your choices are Republican, Democrat or No choice.

"If you choose not to choose, you still have made a choice" - Getty Lee



If a multiple party system popped up in America that is comparable to those in Europe, we'd have a lot of choices. You'd still have your mainstay parties (Dems & Reps) that would remain popular until people got used to a new system, but you'd also have plenty of parties that took different facets from both groups to create better representations of American citizens. I'm sure most people have things that they don't like about their party, whether its the Democratic or Republican party. With a multiple party system one could find a party that they have less dislikes about. (Ex: Democratic party w/tough stand on immigration. Republican party w/gay rights, etc.)
Link Posted: 4/12/2006 3:16:40 PM EST
multi party is better suited to a national parlimentary system where people vote for people that best respresent their poiint of view, then when they get to parliament, depending on the mix they have to compromise to form a government and elect a prime minister.

USA is both national and state based. pres is elected by people as is congress and on different schedules. having a bunch of parties would gridlock the gov big time.. in pariliament when there is no longer a majority support for the pm, they desolve and have elections. in the US we have to wait on 4 and 6 year cycles to resolve what would be a cluster fuck.

sometimes i think we would be better off though with a parilimenary system. a little 'closer' perhaps to the people. they couldna get up there and hang around forever if the country's mood changed. also the pm and the parliament are tied 'closer' together and have to coordinate on bills and laws.. not much has come out of bush in the way of legislation initiatives other than his big health giveaways. a little leadership on the alien thing would be most welcome too.
Link Posted: 4/12/2006 3:18:17 PM EST

Originally Posted By Rodent:
It has been a huge disappointment. They finally controlled both houses AND the white house, and all they've done is spend money like Hillary wished she could have spent it. The "Contract with America" amounted to nothing. Worse than nothing, even.



I believe Newt's " Contract with America " went to pot when he left the "HILL". Many of the Rinos didn't like him back then. Now they run the show and act like Dems, some worse.
Link Posted: 4/12/2006 3:24:02 PM EST
You sound like a communist.

Anyone not willing to acknowledge the Feudal Aristocracy is a communist. Any middle class is simply a loss of resources to the Feudal Aristocracy.

Remember, any vote for a third party candidate is a wasted vote. Remember this. Believe this. Really.

Worthless peasants shouldn't even get a vote. Consider yourself lucky.


Link Posted: 4/12/2006 3:31:49 PM EST

Originally Posted By AR-10:

I have rejected the Republican Party



As have I.



I have had it with President Bush, who I campaigned for TWICE.

I have had it with all the fucking liars sitting in Washington with a big R after their name.

The final straw was an action by my state legislators. They gave the senate majority leader the boot in a super secret closed door session. Why you ask? Because he is too conservative. The boys up for re-election are afraid acting like a Republican will not get the "swing" votes. Guess who that voting block is?

They voted a moderate female republican into the position of Senate Majority Leader. She probably speaks more than one language.

Stewart Iverson spent nine years as SML, and in the process help MANY of his peers get elected, and re-elected.

The ungratefull pigs.

So...what the hell do I do now? Sit home on election night? Vote for some mental case running on the Libertarian ticket?


The one thing I am sure of is this; I will no longer vote for Republicans who are no more interested in upholding the Constitution than their Democratic twins.



Constitution Party.
That's where I am going with my vote. Work for the future.

Or vote from the rooftops.




Originally Posted By Airwolf:
Start looking for INDIVIDUALS that support your ideas.

The system we have now is broken beyond repair. The political parties are nothing more than machines for shitting out cookie cutter candidates that answer to the machine and those that feed it only.

The individual citizen in this nation doesn't even show up on their radar anymore and anyone that thinks they do is smoking some *really* good shit. Look at the illegals, Communists and Socialists that invaded D.C. the other day AND GOT A *WILLING* AUDIENCE from the usual suspects.

We're witnessing the ultimate outcome of the "Me!" mindset. People who gain power solely for their own purposes and with NO thought to any sort of damage it may do to ANYONE else in the process.

The Founding Fathers knew what they were doing when they wrote the Second. I'd say I can CLEARLY see that provision being needed before I die.



It's needed now.
Every year that goes by we are more screwed than the year before.

You are sure correct that our political system is broken.
Link Posted: 4/12/2006 3:32:00 PM EST

Originally Posted By st0newall:
multi party is better suited to a national parlimentary system where people vote for people that best respresent their poiint of view, then when they get to parliament, depending on the mix they have to compromise to form a government and elect a prime minister.

USA is both national and state based. pres is elected by people as is congress and on different schedules. having a bunch of parties would gridlock the gov big time.. in pariliament when there is no longer a majority support for the pm, they desolve and have elections. in the US we have to wait on 4 and 6 year cycles to resolve what would be a cluster fuck.

sometimes i think we would be better off though with a parilimenary system. a little 'closer' perhaps to the people. they couldna get up there and hang around forever if the country's mood changed. also the pm and the parliament are tied 'closer' together and have to coordinate on bills and laws.. not much has come out of bush in the way of legislation initiatives other than his big health giveaways. a little leadership on the alien thing would be most welcome too.



Good post all around.
Link Posted: 4/12/2006 3:32:57 PM EST

Originally Posted By pdg45acp:
Sound like we are ready to let some serious gun control in...

I'd like to see a show of hands..

How many here are ready to become felons because they own AR15s..??..



Come on....


We're going to have to do better than that if we are bound and determined to let the Democrats in...




If we're one vote away from losing the second we're cooked anyway.

A majority doesn't grant the power to infringe on the natural rights of the people, that's the whole point.

The GOP has forgotten that as have the dems.

They claim democracy is the source of their legitimacy, and we provide it to them by voting the lesser of evils.

Providing evil with legitimacy is unacceptable to me.

Link Posted: 4/12/2006 3:39:39 PM EST

Originally Posted By Q3131A:
Seems like many here have forgotten how bad the alternative is.

LBJ
Carter
Clinton



LBJ was certainly the worst of those and I would argue that Presidente Jorge will damage the country at least as much. In fact I just told him so yesterday. No doubt he will not see it but here is my email:

Mr. President,

I want to congratulate you on your successful attempt to go down in history as the worst President since Lyndon Johnson. History may well determine that you have done more to damage America than even he did. Clearly, your policy on immigration will be a first rate disaster for America and do more to destroy our way of life than anything since LBJ's Great Society. You seem to have determined that the American People no longer deserve the nation they have come to love and respect and that it is better to hand it over to others.

Further, at a time when the country would benefit from smaller government and fiscal responsibility your administration has been one of ballooning trade and budget deficits. Your new socialist Medicare prescription drug plan may buy a few small number of votes for Republicans but will cost this nation and the Republican Party dearly in the future. I did contact all of my elected officials during their respective congressional debates for those programs and received replies touting the standard party line talking points but not one could answer my question which was, where is the money going to come from?

I have supported the Republican Party my entire life and it is now embarassing to see how Republicans have used their term at power to acquiesce to corporate demands while destroying the future of American workers and the middle class. You do remember them, do you not Mr. President? They are the ones working to keep the American economy afloat while paying for burgeoning federal programs going all to often even to those who are not even citizens of this nation. After almost 5 decades of waiting I do not feel that I am out of order in expecting better. No doubt it will be another 4-5 decades before the Republicans hold power again. Perhaps not at all as it is my deepest hope that the Republican Party is replaced by another.

In short, your Presidency has been an abysmal failure of mortgaging our future and betraying our country. I will not ever make the mistake of voting for any Republican candidate in the future.

drj, MD




Your choices are Republican, Democrat or No choice.

"If you choose not to choose, you still have made a choice" - Getty Lee



Not hardly, there are other choices.

Voting Democrat or Republican is no choice. At most it is a choice for the destruction of your country. Most are simply to ignorant to see it. That or too afraid and ashamed to admit it.
Ashamed?
Why?
Because to admit the truth would mean you would have to do something about it.

Vote third party. Send the cocksucking traitors in Washington a message.
Link Posted: 4/12/2006 3:46:24 PM EST
Link Posted: 4/12/2006 3:47:00 PM EST
Link Posted: 4/12/2006 3:48:25 PM EST

Originally Posted By NME:

Originally Posted By oulufinn:
YAY Hillary!!!! Sweet, the new AWB won't have a sunset and my taxes will double. Thanks for that.



If Hilary gets elected, f*Ck it I'm leaving...



Sounds like the liberals in 2000 and 2004.

...

They are still around.

Link Posted: 4/12/2006 3:54:14 PM EST

Originally Posted By thebeekeeper1:

Originally Posted By Q3131A:
Seems like many here have forgotten how bad the alternative is.

LBJ
Carter
Clinton

Schum­er
Fienstein
Clinton


Your choices are Republican, Democrat or No choice.

"If you choose not to choose, you still have made a choice" - Getty Lee



Yup, many people on this site are simply too stupid to realize only about 20% of the population consider themselves to be "conservative." The Republican party is NOT the "Conservative Party." All facets of the party must be represented, as well as all Americans. The Repubs are a great deal more conservative than the Dems. End of story, best we have, work from within to change it--and work on changing people's minds every day as you live your life.

"I am not getting my way in every detail so fuck it, I'm quitting." Whining pussies--it's disgusting.

I'm glad this country was built by Americans who weren't so weak willed and spineless.



Don't be offended, but I'm confused by what the main message of your post is. Is it:

1) Shut up and vote Democrat
2) Shut up and vote Republican
3) Shut up and vote for Democrat or Republican; I don't care just as long as the current party system is not changed
4) Something else
Link Posted: 4/12/2006 3:55:29 PM EST
[Last Edit: 4/12/2006 3:57:55 PM EST by mytwocents]
Hillary doesnt have a chance.

Even if you have to
Write in Ron Paul

There is no perfect party (im not talking about the Dems or reps either they are lsot causes) Ron Paul is a conservative with a dose of libertarian. Pro Gun Anti Illegal And he isnt trying to rewirte the constitution either

Perot got 19% in 92 Imagine what a third party would get now!
Link Posted: 4/12/2006 3:59:57 PM EST

Originally Posted By Delta-Swift:

Originally Posted By thebeekeeper1:

Originally Posted By Q3131A:
Seems like many here have forgotten how bad the alternative is.

LBJ
Carter
Clinton

Schum­er
Fienstein
Clinton


Your choices are Republican, Democrat or No choice.

"If you choose not to choose, you still have made a choice" - Getty Lee



Yup, many people on this site are simply too stupid to realize only about 20% of the population consider themselves to be "conservative." The Republican party is NOT the "Conservative Party." All facets of the party must be represented, as well as all Americans. The Repubs are a great deal more conservative than the Dems. End of story, best we have, work from within to change it--and work on changing people's minds every day as you live your life.

"I am not getting my way in every detail so fuck it, I'm quitting." Whining pussies--it's disgusting.

I'm glad this country was built by Americans who weren't so weak willed and spineless.



Don't be offended, but I'm confused by what the main message of your post is. Is it:

1) Shut up and vote Democrat
2) Shut up and vote Republican
3) Shut up and vote for Democrat or Republican; I don't care just as long as the current party system is not changed
4) Something else



The message I get from it is that the nation was built by those who were not "weak willed and spineless", but is now inhabited by them. Otherwise we wouldn't have a bunch of fucking 'tards blathering on about not throwing your vote away while the ones you elect piss the country away.

Maybe that wasn't what he meant but that is what I get out of it.
Link Posted: 4/12/2006 4:00:00 PM EST
Link Posted: 4/12/2006 4:00:05 PM EST

Originally Posted By MagKnightX:

Originally Posted By AR-10:
They voted a moderate female republican into the position of Senate Majority Leader. She probably speaks more than one language.



Just as a side question, what's wrong with having a female in position of power? And what's wrong with speaking more than one language? I'm English-fluent, Spanish-conversational (intending to become fluent), and German-basic-conversational (also intending to become at least near-fluent). Should I not be in a position of power?



Let me be clear about my perception of why Senator Iverson was kicked in the nads. The state republicans are courting the hispanic vote. They see that if they don't romance voters who must vote on a ballot printed in spanish, they will lose their seat.


If that sounds racist, what can I say? it's the truth.

They claim they made this change because a middle of the road moderate republican will have more bargaining power when it comes time to make the backroom deals with our democrat governor concerning the new budget.

Senator Iverson has been kicking the governor's ass for years, and saving Iowans tax money every time. How is a more moderate adversary going to save me money?

This is all about getting re-elected.


My wife has been the Republican county chairperson for YEARS. I have helped her campaign for dozens of candidates. We know many of these people very well. We can read between the lines of the average Des Moines Register political news story.


She's all done with the Repubs as well. We are both sickened with the way our country is being governed.
Link Posted: 4/12/2006 4:02:42 PM EST

Originally Posted By mytwocents:
Hillary doesnt have a chance.

Even if you have to
Write in Ron Paul

There is no perfect party (im not talking about the Dems or reps either they are lsot causes) Ron Paul is a conservative with a dose of libertarian. Pro Gun Anti Illegal And he isnt trying to rewirte the constitution either

Perot got 19% in 92 Imagine what a third party would get now!



Get Ron Paul to run.

Yeah, I really think the time is ripe for a third party. As for Perot's 19% no one should remember that better than Presidente Jorge.
I am seriously beginning to believe he is a socialist plant menat to undermine the Republican Party and destroy conservative America.
Link Posted: 4/12/2006 4:04:36 PM EST

Originally Posted By thebeekeeper1:

Originally Posted By Delta-Swift:

Originally Posted By thebeekeeper1:

Originally Posted By Q3131A:
Seems like many here have forgotten how bad the alternative is.

LBJ
Carter
Clinton

Schum­er
Fienstein
Clinton


Your choices are Republican, Democrat or No choice.

"If you choose not to choose, you still have made a choice" - Getty Lee



Yup, many people on this site are simply too stupid to realize only about 20% of the population consider themselves to be "conservative." The Republican party is NOT the "Conservative Party." All facets of the party must be represented, as well as all Americans. The Repubs are a great deal more conservative than the Dems. End of story, best we have, work from within to change it--and work on changing people's minds every day as you live your life.

"I am not getting my way in every detail so fuck it, I'm quitting." Whining pussies--it's disgusting.

I'm glad this country was built by Americans who weren't so weak willed and spineless.



Don't be offended, but I'm confused by what the main message of your post is. Is it:

1) Shut up and vote Democrat
2) Shut up and vote Republican
3) Shut up and vote for Democrat or Republican; I don't care just as long as the current party system is not changed
4) Something else



5) None of the above

My point is that giving up and walking away is idiotic. The only intelligent thing to do is to NOT shut up, and VOTE for the most conservative Republican who is running in the Primary. Only by becoming politically savvy can we make gains and take the country back. Sometimes the "best" candidate is less conservative--for instance, a conservative Dem is not as desirable as a more liberal Repub who will keep the majority in Republican hands. The AWB sunsetted because the party in control sets the agenda. The Dems have gun control as a party planks. The Repubs do not. That alone is reason to vote for Repubs--and then work from within to make the party more conservative. Get active! Talk politics in a non-confrontational way--as a salesman--every day, all day. Take people shooting--especially women.

Quitting is for pussies.



And bending over grabbing your ankles is for faggots.
Link Posted: 4/12/2006 4:07:20 PM EST
we need to move toward a parliamentary system, or some similar alternative to break the two-party strangehold...

or else wait, and vote from the roof tops
Link Posted: 4/12/2006 4:09:48 PM EST
Link Posted: 4/12/2006 4:11:11 PM EST
[Last Edit: 4/12/2006 4:12:36 PM EST by Delta-Swift]

Originally Posted By thebeekeeper1:

Previous quotes removed to save space.

5) None of the above

My point is that giving up and walking away is idiotic. The only intelligent thing to do is to NOT shut up, and VOTE for the most conservative Republican who is running in the Primary. Only by becoming politically savvy can we make gains and take the country back. Sometimes the "best" candidate is less conservative--for instance, a conservative Dem is not as desirable as a more liberal Repub who will keep the majority in Republican hands. The AWB sunsetted because the party in control sets the agenda. The Dems have gun control as a party planks. The Repubs do not. That alone is reason to vote for Repubs--and then work from within to make the party more conservative. Get active! Talk politics in a non-confrontational way--as a salesman--every day, all day. Take people shooting--especially women.

Quitting is for pussies.



Ok, I follow you now. I agree about not quitting.

A completely seperate issue (just as an FYI and not relevant to the debate topic), as much as I support the 2nd amendment, there are other issues above it on my priority list that the Democratic party is doing a better job protecting, and because of that my vote will probably stay with Democratic candidates unltil a better party system comes about.
Link Posted: 4/12/2006 4:11:54 PM EST
[Last Edit: 4/12/2006 4:12:47 PM EST by drjarhead]

Vote third party




Send a message that you won't stand by and watch while your nation is destroyed.
Link Posted: 4/12/2006 4:13:52 PM EST

Originally Posted By Delta-Swift:

Originally Posted By thebeekeeper1:

Previous quotes removed to save space.

5) None of the above

My point is that giving up and walking away is idiotic. The only intelligent thing to do is to NOT shut up, and VOTE for the most conservative Republican who is running in the Primary. Only by becoming politically savvy can we make gains and take the country back. Sometimes the "best" candidate is less conservative--for instance, a conservative Dem is not as desirable as a more liberal Repub who will keep the majority in Republican hands. The AWB sunsetted because the party in control sets the agenda. The Dems have gun control as a party planks. The Repubs do not. That alone is reason to vote for Repubs--and then work from within to make the party more conservative. Get active! Talk politics in a non-confrontational way--as a salesman--every day, all day. Take people shooting--especially women.

Quitting is for pussies.



Ok, I follow you now. I agree about not quitting.

A completely seperate issue (just as an FYI and not relevant to the debate topic), as much as I support the 2nd amendment, there are other issues above it on my priority list that the Democratic party is doing a better job protecting, and because of that my vote will probably stay with Democratic candidates unltil a better party system comes about.




Well there ya go TBK1, a convert.




Link Posted: 4/12/2006 4:15:00 PM EST

Originally Posted By drjarhead:
Vote third party




Send a message that you won't stand by and watch while your nation is destroyed.



Well what happens after the third party (which I don't even agree with) gets into office and starts pushing its legislation for the next four years? How does that help me? Or is this more of a long term thing?
Link Posted: 4/12/2006 4:19:04 PM EST

Originally Posted By drjarhead:

Originally Posted By Delta-Swift:

Originally Posted By thebeekeeper1:

Previous quotes removed to save space.

5) None of the above

My point is that giving up and walking away is idiotic. The only intelligent thing to do is to NOT shut up, and VOTE for the most conservative Republican who is running in the Primary. Only by becoming politically savvy can we make gains and take the country back. Sometimes the "best" candidate is less conservative--for instance, a conservative Dem is not as desirable as a more liberal Repub who will keep the majority in Republican hands. The AWB sunsetted because the party in control sets the agenda. The Dems have gun control as a party planks. The Repubs do not. That alone is reason to vote for Repubs--and then work from within to make the party more conservative. Get active! Talk politics in a non-confrontational way--as a salesman--every day, all day. Take people shooting--especially women.

Quitting is for pussies.



Ok, I follow you now. I agree about not quitting.

A completely seperate issue (just as an FYI and not relevant to the debate topic), as much as I support the 2nd amendment, there are other issues above it on my priority list that the Democratic party is doing a better job protecting, and because of that my vote will probably stay with Democratic candidates unltil a better party system comes about.




Well there ya go TBK1, a convert.







I thought TBK1 was actually shooting for Republican, although a less conservative one. Or did I miss your point?
Link Posted: 4/12/2006 4:20:33 PM EST

Originally Posted By Delta-Swift:

Originally Posted By drjarhead:
Vote third party




Send a message that you won't stand by and watch while your nation is destroyed.



Well what happens after the third party (which I don't even agree with) gets into office and starts pushing its legislation for the next four years? How does that help me? Or is this more of a long term thing?



You already said you were voting Socialist.
So why do you even care?

But for me it is a long term thing though I have chose the Consitution Party I believe. Recent decision. Very traditional, hardcore on the border and illegals, staunch 2nd Amend supporters, support the family(most important thing IMO). They are heavy on the religious bit but while I do not go as hardcore as they, I do support the values they espouse. If they got in power tomorrow, I could handle it.

I don't know how some can go for the Libertarians though. If the border is the issue, and it is the one dividing the Republican Party right now, they are the worst of all the parties.
Link Posted: 4/12/2006 4:21:40 PM EST

Originally Posted By Delta-Swift:

Originally Posted By drjarhead:

Originally Posted By Delta-Swift:

Originally Posted By thebeekeeper1:

Previous quotes removed to save space.

5) None of the above

My point is that giving up and walking away is idiotic. The only intelligent thing to do is to NOT shut up, and VOTE for the most conservative Republican who is running in the Primary. Only by becoming politically savvy can we make gains and take the country back. Sometimes the "best" candidate is less conservative--for instance, a conservative Dem is not as desirable as a more liberal Repub who will keep the majority in Republican hands. The AWB sunsetted because the party in control sets the agenda. The Dems have gun control as a party planks. The Repubs do not. That alone is reason to vote for Repubs--and then work from within to make the party more conservative. Get active! Talk politics in a non-confrontational way--as a salesman--every day, all day. Take people shooting--especially women.

Quitting is for pussies.



Ok, I follow you now. I agree about not quitting.

A completely seperate issue (just as an FYI and not relevant to the debate topic), as much as I support the 2nd amendment, there are other issues above it on my priority list that the Democratic party is doing a better job protecting, and because of that my vote will probably stay with Democratic candidates unltil a better party system comes about.




Well there ya go TBK1, a convert.







I thought TBK1 was actually shooting for Republican, although a less conservative one. Or did I miss your point?



You're missing a lot of points.
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