I have a sincere Delta force/Army Ranger/SEAL question.

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Posted: 7/6/2012 11:37:27 AM EDT

It came to me after a movie I watched last night.

Now we all agree that the folks from the above groups are hard as rebar. Now while I don't know any of them, I'm going to go out on a limb & say they are smarter than your average bear too.

So why doesn't a few of them get together, use some initiative & take care of the cartels?

If anyone could do it & get away with it, it'd be them.

Posted: 7/6/2012 11:38:37 AM EDT

[#1]

Why would they risk their lives to get thrown in jail?

Posted: 7/6/2012 11:39:10 AM EDT

[#2]

Quoted:
It came to me after a movie I watched last night.

Now we all agree that the folks from the above groups are hard as rebar. Now while I don't know any of them, I'm going to go out on a limb & say they are smarter than your average bear too.

So why doesn't a few of them get together, use some initiative & take care of the cartels?

If anyone could do it & get away with it, it'd be them.

It's not television.

Posted: 7/6/2012 11:40:19 AM EDT

[#3]

Quoted:

Quoted:

It came to me after a movie I watched last night.

Now we all agree that the folks from the above groups are hard as rebar. Now while I don't know any of them, I'm going to go out on a limb & say they are smarter than your average bear too.

So why doesn't a few of them get together, use some initiative & take care of the cartels?

If anyone could do it & get away with it, it'd be them.

It's not television.

This. Sounds like a novel Michael Bay movie concept... But this is RL. Let's be cereal.

Posted: 7/6/2012 11:40:54 AM EDT

[#4]

Quoted:
It came to me after a movie I watched last night.

Now we all agree that the folks from the above groups are hard as rebar. Now while I don't know any of them, I'm going to go out on a limb & say they are smarter than your average bear too.

So why doesn't a few of them get together, use some initiative & take care of the cartels?

If anyone could do it & get away with it, it'd be them.

Not sure if serious

Posted: 7/6/2012 11:41:22 AM EDT

[#5]

we tried to use the SEALs against cartels in Colombia. they got slaughtered

Posted: 7/6/2012 11:42:28 AM EDT

[#6]

Quoted:
we tried to use the SEALs against cartels in Colombia. they got slaughtered

Seriously?

Or were referencing "clear & present danger"?

Posted: 7/6/2012 11:43:26 AM EDT

[#7]

Quoted:
It came to me after a movie I watched last night.

Now we all agree that the folks from the above groups are hard as rebar. Now while I don't know any of them, I'm going to go out on a limb & say they are smarter than your average bear too.

So why doesn't a few of them get together, use some initiative & take care of the cartels?

If anyone could do it & get away with it, it'd be them.

I've never worked with any D-boys and limited work with some SEALs in Iraq so I can't really comment on them being smarter than average but we did get a bunch of "ranger rejects" from 2/75 for anything from multiple dui to overweight to domestic violence. If that seems like a really broad statement I'm sorry that's not my intention just what I saw in my time in the army.

Posted: 7/6/2012 11:43:58 AM EDT

[#8]

You should read "Killing Pablo".

Posted: 7/6/2012 11:44:02 AM EDT

[#9]

Quoted:
we tried to use the SEALs against cartels in Colombia. they got slaughtered

Really? Off to google.

I've always thought the same as the OP. Want to smash the cartels? Special bearded types or Blackwater/Xe etc., seek and destroy.

Posted: 7/6/2012 11:44:18 AM EDT

[#10]

Spartan, why don't you gather a few friends, devote the next few years of your life to getting into great shape and getting training from everyone you can and do it yourself?

I mean, what's stopping you from doing that?

Posted: 7/6/2012 11:45:40 AM EDT

[#11]

There's no money in it.....

Posted: 7/6/2012 11:45:50 AM EDT

[#12]

america at this point has no intrest in disarming the cartels, don't you read the news?

now if we were trying to HELP our fellow north americans to the south we could

don't ask me why we don't, i think it would be great to go vacation in mexico later in life, be able to ccw and not fear for my safety too much

Posted: 7/6/2012 11:55:03 AM EDT

[#13]

Quoted:
Spartan, why don't you gather a few friends, devote the next few years of your life to getting into great shape and getting training from everyone you can and do it yourself?

I mean, what's stopping you from doing that?

#1. Are you seriously saying that the kind of training the SF types get is available to us regular folk? If yes, links please.

#2. Much to my displeasure, I admit that in the past, when confronted with a situation where I needed to act lightning fast, I froze up.

Not always, but enough to know that I'm no SF type.

#3. Friends? My friends meow & bark.

Posted: 7/6/2012 11:55:10 AM EDT

[#14]

Quoted:

Quoted:
we tried to use the SEALs against cartels in Colombia. they got slaughtered

Really? Off to google.

I've always thought the same as the OP. Want to smash the cartels? Special bearded types or Blackwater/Xe etc., seek and destroy.

I bet it would be really easy. Just walking around the jungle and shooting the guys with the cartel shirts.

Posted: 7/6/2012 11:57:10 AM EDT

[#15]

Economically speaking, a decisive win in the WOD would have a worse economic effect than if they simply legalized drugs.

ETA: I offer the above regardless of whether it could actually be done.

Posted: 7/6/2012 11:57:25 AM EDT

[#16]

Quoted:

Quoted:

we tried to use the SEALs against cartels in Colombia. they got slaughtered

Really? Off to google.

I've always thought the same as the OP. Want to smash the cartels? Special bearded types or Blackwater/Xe etc., seek and destroy.

I bet it would be really easy. Just walking around the jungle and shooting the guys with the cartel shirts.

Yep all bad guys wear red sashes as well. Like shooting fish in a barrel. Plus most cartel members are straight up pussies and won't even attempt to fight back.

Posted: 7/6/2012 11:57:34 AM EDT

[#17]

LOL. How the hell does a few guys "take care of the cartels?" Video game fantasy land =/= real life.

Posted: 7/6/2012 11:59:01 AM EDT

[#18]

Quoted:

Quoted:
we tried to use the SEALs against cartels in Colombia. they got slaughtered

Really? Off to google.

I've always thought the same as the OP. Want to smash the cartels? Special bearded types or Blackwater/Xe etc., seek and destroy.

I bet it would be really easy. Just walking around the jungle and shooting the guys with the cartel shirts.

Whose car are we taking?

Posted: 7/6/2012 12:00:16 PM EDT

[#19]

Quoted:
we tried to use the SEALs against cartels in Colombia. they got slaughtered

Source?

Posted: 7/6/2012 12:00:35 PM EDT

[#20]

Quoted:
we tried to use the SEALs against cartels in Colombia. they got slaughtered

Cite?

Posted: 7/6/2012 12:01:14 PM EDT

[#21]

If you killed off all of the cartel upper leadership what will happen???

New leadership or even more violence from the tons of fractions that would compete for control. Then you get to go back and do it over and over again.

Posted: 7/6/2012 12:01:53 PM EDT

[#22]

Quoted:

Quoted:

we tried to use the SEALs against cartels in Colombia. they got slaughtered

Really? Off to google.

I've always thought the same as the OP. Want to smash the cartels? Special bearded types or Blackwater/Xe etc., seek and destroy.

I bet it would be really easy. Just walking around the jungle and shooting the guys with the cartel shirts.

They don't have special shirts; you can tell they're bad guys because they all wear black hats.

Posted: 7/6/2012 12:02:54 PM EDT

[#23]

Because when they got back holder would prosecute, and persecute the poor bastards.

don't be a fuckin' wif his peeps, yo.

Posted: 7/6/2012 12:03:09 PM EDT

[#24]

When does school start again?

Posted: 7/6/2012 12:03:39 PM EDT

[#25]

Quoted:
It came to me after a movie I watched last night.

Now we all agree that the folks from the above groups are hard as rebar. Now while I don't know any of them, I'm going to go out on a limb & say they are smarter than your average bear too.

So why doesn't a few of them get together, use some initiative & take care of the cartels?

If anyone could do it & get away with it, it'd be them.

Serious question OP, are you some sort of idiot or retard or is this just an exceptional troll thread?

Posted: 7/6/2012 12:03:47 PM EDT

[#26]

Quoted:
If you killed off all of the cartel upper leadership what will happen???

New leadership or even more violence from the tons of fractions that would compete for control. Then you get to go back and do it over and over again.

Good point.

So what's the solution?

Serious question OP, are you some sort of idiot or retard or is this just an exceptional troll thread?

Both.

Posted: 7/6/2012 12:04:15 PM EDT

[#27]

I personally wonder why special forces are not in Yemen whacking al-Qaeda. I was watching Frontline and they were showing whole towns run by those assholes. On the way in, they filmed al-Qaeda soldiers on the hills. They'd be no match for some SEALs.

Posted: 7/6/2012 12:04:39 PM EDT

[#28]

Quoted:

Quoted:

If you killed off all of the cartel upper leadership what will happen???

New leadership or even more violence from the tons of fractions that would compete for control. Then you get to go back and do it over and over again.

Good point.

So what's the solution?

Legalize drugs.

Posted: 7/6/2012 12:05:08 PM EDT

[#29]

SOF units fall under the military, the military is not going to waste the assets to insert SOF units to fight cartels because after trying to undermine/assassinate countless cartel drug lords the U.S. Government... Specifically the Intelligence community figured out that when you kill someone all it does is leave a power vacumn that gets filled by yet another leader... Much like what happens in Afghanistan, you kill #1 and #2 takes over and on and on it goes.

Posted: 7/6/2012 12:05:21 PM EDT

[#30]

OP, what makes you think that our Tier 1 guys aren't there in advisory and training role?

Posted: 7/6/2012 12:06:21 PM EDT

[#31]

Quoted:

OP, what makes you think that our Tier 1 guys aren't there in advisory and training role?

Yeah, how'd that work out? They probably trained the Zetas.

Posted: 7/6/2012 12:07:02 PM EDT

[#32]

Quoted:
If you killed off all of the cartel upper leadership what will happen???

New leadership or even more violence from the tons of fractions that would compete for control. Then you get to go back and do it over and over again.

This is basically what happened in Mexico. Leadership of most of the major cartels (except for Chapo Guzman, hmm.....) got whacked or put in jail.

All of the things that existed before this that made drug trafficking attractive, such as ridiculous wealth, corruptible officials, and location,location,location did not disappear along with the leadership.

Result was the leadership vacuum created one hell of an opportunity for up-and-comers, most of whom have consolidated their power by killing off rivals, cops, and any civilians that got in the way.

Taking out the cartel leadership doesn't do anything to stem the flow of drugs or stem the violence - in fact, it's probably what precipitated the ratcheting up of violence in the first place. Most of the cartel leaders don't want to kill people, they want to move drugs and make money. It's the people lower down in the org structure that kill in order to move up.

Posted: 7/6/2012 12:07:31 PM EDT

[#33]

Quoted:

Quoted:
we tried to use the SEALs against cartels in Colombia. they got slaughtered

Cite?

Tom Clancy is not a source, btw.

He is actually correct though. SEALs (to include possibly DEVGRU) and supposedly Delta and Army SF were used to train Colombian police and Army personel during the 90s (maybe 80s and 2000s as well, not sure off the top of my head). The SEALs actually trained the Search Block that was tasked with and eventually succeded in killing/capturing Pablo Escobar.

Posted: 7/6/2012 12:07:32 PM EDT

[#34]

Quoted:

Quoted:
we tried to use the SEALs against cartels in Colombia. they got slaughtered

Really? Off to google.

I've always thought the same as the OP. Want to smash the cartels? Special bearded types or Blackwater/Xe etc., seek and destroy.

I bet it would be really easy. Just walking around the jungle and shooting the guys with the cartel shirts.

Whose car are we taking?

I was thinking about that, but Logan pointed out the issue of PIDing them by shirt or sash by bringing up the black hat incognito issue, so maybe we just let this idea go for now.

Posted: 7/6/2012 12:07:35 PM EDT

[#35]

Quoted:
I personally wonder why special forces are not in Yemen whacking al-Qaeda. I was watching Frontline and they were showing whole towns run by those assholes. On the way in, they filmed al-Qaeda soldiers on the hills. They'd be no match for some SEALs.

I know of one navy asset that has been used against them in Yemen. Not SEALs but the bad guys still ended up dead.

Posted: 7/6/2012 12:08:22 PM EDT

[#36]

Quoted:

Quoted:
OP, what makes you think that our Tier 1 guys aren't there in advisory and training role?

Yeah, how'd that work out? They probably trained the Zetas.

They did. Now they are training the guys going after the zetas.

Posted: 7/6/2012 12:08:52 PM EDT

[#37]

Quoted:

Quoted:

OP, what makes you think that our Tier 1 guys aren't there in advisory and training role?

Yeah, how'd that work out? They probably trained the Zetas.

They did. Now they are training the guys going after the zetas.

Repeating mistakes. Awesome.

Posted: 7/6/2012 12:08:56 PM EDT

[#38]

Quoted:
He is actually correct though. SEALs (to include possibly DEVGRU) and supposedly Delta and perhaps Army SF were used to train Colombian police and Army personel during the 90s (maybe 80s and 2000s as well, not sure off the top of my head). The SEALs actually trained the Search Block that was tasked with and eventually succeded in killing/capturing Pablo Escobar.

I know. I read Killing Pablo. He strongly suggested that Navy SEALS were slaughtered, whereas my understanding is that it went the other way around. I don't recall any US military KIA (there was that CIA pastor and his family that was shot down though).

Posted: 7/6/2012 12:10:48 PM EDT

[#39]

Quoted:

Quoted:
we tried to use the SEALs against cartels in Colombia. they got slaughtered

Really? Off to google.

I've always thought the same as the OP. Want to smash the cartels? Special bearded types or Blackwater/Xe etc., seek and destroy.

I bet it would be really easy. Just walking around the jungle and shooting the guys with the cartel shirts.

If you're trying to rid yourself of my mancrush, mocking me is a good start.

What I was trying to say in few words, is that we have to have some idea who the heads of the cartels are and where they hang their hat.

Posted: 7/6/2012 12:12:09 PM EDT

[#40]

Quoted:

Quoted:
OP, what makes you think that our Tier 1 guys aren't there in advisory and training role?

Yeah, how'd that work out? They probably trained the Zetas.

They did. Now they are training the guys going after the zetas.

Repeating mistakes. Awesome.

I am all for decriminalization. That would be a crippling blow.

Posted: 7/6/2012 12:13:16 PM EDT

[#41]

Quoted:
If you're trying to rid yourself of my mancrush, mocking me is a good start.

What I was trying to say in few words, is that we have to have some idea who the heads of the cartels are and where they hang their hat.

What makes you think they aren't working for faction within the US government? Or vice versa?

Don't you think it is a little bit odd that the big beneficiary of Fast and Furious was the Sinoloa cartel?

Posted: 7/6/2012 12:14:33 PM EDT

[#42]

Quoted:

Quoted:
He is actually correct though. SEALs (to include possibly DEVGRU) and supposedly Delta and perhaps Army SF were used to train Colombian police and Army personel during the 90s (maybe 80s and 2000s as well, not sure off the top of my head). The SEALs actually trained the Search Block that was tasked with and eventually succeded in killing/capturing Pablo Escobar.

I know. I read Killing Pablo. He strongly suggested that Navy SEALS were slaughtered, whereas my understanding is that it went the other way around. I don't recall any US military KIA (there was that CIA pastor and his family that was shot down though).

They were mostly advisors from the way I understand it, so I think you are right in that they didn't suffer heavy casualties as he suggested. I dont think there were any US .mil KIA actually. Supposedly there were some intel community deaths, that I believe included more than what you are referring to. However I'm not 100% sure on that.

ETA: There were apparently 8 non combat deaths when a Navy helicopter cashed, so who knows given the secret squirrel nature of most of that stuff.

Posted: 7/6/2012 12:16:10 PM EDT

[#43]

Posted: 7/6/2012 12:17:10 PM EDT

[#44]

if Americans would stop buying mexican DOPE

the cartels would dry up.

they are drug peddlers after all.

and stupid, weak assholes fund their little games.

Posted: 7/6/2012 12:17:23 PM EDT

[#45]

Quoted:

Quoted:

OP, what makes you think that our Tier 1 guys aren't there in advisory and training role?

Yeah, how'd that work out? They probably trained the Zetas.

They did. Now they are training the guys going after the zetas.

Repeating mistakes. Awesome.

I am all for decriminalization. That would be a crippling blow.

And I wouldn't have to resort to using this bath salt bullshit.

Posted: 7/6/2012 12:17:40 PM EDT

[#46]

The 'Cartel Problem' is actually a Mexico is totally corrupt problem. Go read about the Cartels, they payoff everyone, recently the entire police force of I think it was Veracruze was disbanded due to corruption and collusion with drug runners.

The police force in the port city of Veracruz was dissolved on Wednesday, and Mexican officials sent the navy in to patrol. The Veracruz State government said the decision was part of an effort to root out police corruption and start over in the state’s largest city. A state spokeswoman, Gina Dominguez, said 800 police officers and 300 administrative employees were laid off. She told reporters that the former officers could apply for jobs in a state police force but would have to meet stricter standards. Thirty-five bodies were dumped in Veracruz in one of the worst gang attacks of Mexico’s drug war. The Mexican Army has taken over police operations several times, notably in the border city of Ciudad Juárez. But Veracruz is the first state to disband a large police department and use marines for law enforcement.

Like prohibation and booze, there will always be someone to supply something as long as there is someone to buy it. IMHO, there are only two ways to defeat the Cartels, either legialize drugs, or make the penality for using and possessing drugs so serious that most people just would not risk it. You could create camps with wire fences, like, oh POW camps and anyone holding or using a small amt gets six months for the first offence.Double for the second and so on. This kind of treament would I think remove the casual user/customer from the drug scene.

Posted: 7/6/2012 12:21:09 PM EDT

[#47]

Quoted:

Quoted:

we tried to use the SEALs against cartels in Colombia. they got slaughtered

Really? Off to google.

I've always thought the same as the OP. Want to smash the cartels? Special bearded types or Blackwater/Xe etc., seek and destroy.

I bet it would be really easy. Just walking around the jungle and shooting the guys with the cartel shirts.

Whose car are we taking?

Well I'll drive if we can stop at Stuckey's on the way.

Posted: 7/6/2012 12:21:17 PM EDT

[#48]

Quoted:

Quoted:
we tried to use the SEALs against cartels in Colombia. they got slaughtered

Really? Off to google.

I've always thought the same as the OP. Want to smash the cartels? Special bearded types or Blackwater/Xe etc., seek and destroy.

I bet it would be really easy. Just walking around the jungle and shooting the guys with the cartel shirts.

If you're trying to rid yourself of my mancrush, mocking me is a good start.

What I was trying to say in few words, is that we have to have some idea who the heads of the cartels are and where they hang their hat.

Sorry, man. It's just a general subject that instantly sends me high and right, so I engage in derisive humor to tag the threads and watch the commentary. You were standing in the fatal funnel.

Posted: 7/6/2012 12:22:58 PM EDT

[#49]

Quoted:

Quoted:
we tried to use the SEALs against cartels in Colombia. they got slaughtered

Cite?

Tom Clancy is not a source, btw.

He is actually correct though. SEALs (to include possibly DEVGRU) and supposedly Delta and Army SF were used to train Colombian police and Army personel during the 90s (maybe 80s and 2000s as well, not sure off the top of my head). The SEALs actually trained the Search Block that was tasked with and eventually succeded in killing/capturing Pablo Escobar.

That was Centra Spike and Delta.

Posted: 7/6/2012 12:23:37 PM EDT

[#50]

Quoted:
I personally wonder why special forces are not in Yemen whacking al-Qaeda. I was watching Frontline and they were showing whole towns run by those assholes. On the way in, they filmed al-Qaeda soldiers on the hills. They'd be no match for some SEALs.

I met some dudes in 2005 doing a predeployment work up for a trip to Yemen.

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