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Posted: 12/31/2006 7:12:39 PM EDT
A friend told me that the most popular gun among covered wagon folk was a .410 gauge shotgun. Due to the fact that you could load it with  birdshot for fowl, and a 45 bullet for larger game. Is this true? Would a modern day shotgun be capable of such a feat?
Link Posted: 12/31/2006 7:13:57 PM EDT
[#1]
I have read more than once that it was indeed the shotgun that  really "won the west".
Link Posted: 12/31/2006 7:14:18 PM EDT
[#2]
Hmm... never heard this.

But it is true that you can load some .45LC handguns with .410 shot shells.
Link Posted: 12/31/2006 7:14:50 PM EDT
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Quoted:
I have read more than once that it was indeed the shotgun that  really "won the west".


No, it was barbed wire.  
Link Posted: 12/31/2006 7:15:37 PM EDT
[#4]

Quoted:
Hmm... never heard this.

But it is true that you can load some .45LC handguns with .410 shot shells.
Shhhh...that would be an SBS or something
Link Posted: 12/31/2006 7:15:52 PM EDT
[#5]
Quoted:
Hmm... never heard this.



sweet. anyone wanna test this for me?
Link Posted: 12/31/2006 7:16:22 PM EDT
[#6]
a 410 will take a 30-30





688
Link Posted: 12/31/2006 7:16:22 PM EDT
[#7]
I thought shooting all the buffalo "won the west"
Link Posted: 12/31/2006 7:24:43 PM EDT
[#8]
doesnt anyone have an answer?
Link Posted: 12/31/2006 7:26:29 PM EDT
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Quoted:
doesnt anyone have an answer?
All I can add is that a .45 caliber projectile would be as inaccurate as all hell in a smoothbore.
Link Posted: 12/31/2006 7:27:06 PM EDT
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Quoted:
doesnt anyone have an answer?


Looks like you got a couple.

Guess they weren't what you were looking for?  You can try here.
Link Posted: 12/31/2006 7:28:40 PM EDT
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Quoted:

Quoted:
doesnt anyone have an answer?
All I can add is that a .45 caliber projectile would be as inaccurate as all hell in a smoothbore.


Well, about as accurate as a .410 shot shell payload comming out of a rifled bore.  



The handguns I've seen use a screw in, rifled choke type tube to shoot bullets.
Link Posted: 12/31/2006 7:36:01 PM EDT
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My .410/45 long colt contender barrel is rifled, however there is a choke you can screw in the end of the barrel with straight rifling in it to stop the wad and shot from spinning as it leaves the barrel.
Link Posted: 12/31/2006 7:47:26 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 12/31/2006 7:47:51 PM EDT
[#14]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I have read more than once that it was indeed the shotgun that  really "won the west".


No, it was barbed wire.  
If you had just pulled up in a wagon onto a spot of land hundreds of miles from civilization that you were going to homestead, which would you rather have, a spool of barbed wire, or a shotgun?
Link Posted: 12/31/2006 7:50:15 PM EDT
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False.  As several have pointed out, a smoothbore shotgun does not work well with bullets (which need rifling to be effective), and vice versa.

No one gun "won the west", though shotguns were very popular due to their utility of being able to shoot larger game as well as smaller, light game (including birds), and function as a defensive weapon on occasion.  Rifles and handguns were a lot more rare than "cowboy" movies would suggest.  They were expensive, and especially for handguns, didn't have much utiltiy outside of a town.

-Troy


Actually, if you were to say "one gun won the west" it would probably be the .45-70 Trapdoor Springfield.

OR... the Winchester lever action...
Link Posted: 12/31/2006 7:52:01 PM EDT
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Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
I have read more than once that it was indeed the shotgun that  really "won the west".


No, it was barbed wire.  
If you had just pulled up in a wagon onto a spot of land hundreds of miles from civilization that you were going to homestead, which would you rather have, a spool of barbed wire, or a shotgun?



how bout a wal- mart?
Link Posted: 12/31/2006 9:52:54 PM EDT
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Quoted:
Actually, if you were to say "one gun won the west" it would probably be the .45-70 Trapdoor Springfield.


You can shoot a .410 out of a 45-70

I have a Co-Pilot in 45-70 and was told that I could do that.
I have never tried it but I do have & carry the shells when in the bush.

I call it my BB gun….for Birds & Bears
Link Posted: 12/31/2006 10:18:41 PM EDT
[#18]
My coworker tells me that the .410 wasn't even invented until after 1900 or so. Comments?
Link Posted: 12/31/2006 10:25:48 PM EDT
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My Co-Worker tells me that the .410 wasn't even invented until after 1900 or so. Comments?


I don't know when the .410 was invented.
The springfield trapdoor would of been made to use blackpowder.
If the .410 was made when your Co-Worker said, then I would think it would use smokeless powder...I don't think I would shoot the .410 out of a Trapdoor.

I would shoot a .410 out of my Co-Pilot as I was told it was ok to do this by the Man that makes the Co-Pilot ( Jim West of Wild West Guns)

Ripak
Be Safe Have Fun
Link Posted: 12/31/2006 10:35:15 PM EDT
[#20]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Hmm... never heard this.

But it is true that you can load some .45LC handguns with .410 shot shells.
Shhhh...that would be an SBS or something



Like this?
Link Posted: 12/31/2006 11:35:43 PM EDT
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Quoted:
My coworker tells me that the .410 wasn't even invented until after 1900 or so. Comments?


I can find refrerences before 1899 on google but nothing quote worthy.  Perhaps someone has a copy of Cartridges of the World handy?  That's the final authority.  
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