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Posted: 8/11/2011 10:02:36 AM EDT
So what do I buy? I have ruled out the Wasr10. What is the middle step between those and say a KVAR or arsenal gun?
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 10:06:51 AM EDT
[#1]
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 10:06:52 AM EDT
[#2]
Acquire a good parts kit, buy a Nodak receiver and pay a good AK builder to put it together for you.
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 10:08:10 AM EDT
[#3]



Quoted:



Quoted:

I have ruled out the Wasr10.




 That was going to be my suggestion - a good WASR and a shitload of ammo.



It just feels wrong somehow to me to pay more than $400 for an AK


I feel the same way.



 
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 10:08:50 AM EDT
[#4]




Quoted:





Quoted:



Quoted:

I have ruled out the Wasr10.




That was going to be my suggestion - a good WASR and a shitload of ammo.



It just feels wrong somehow to me to pay more than $400 for an AK


I feel the same way.





Then get one now because you're gonna hate next year.
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 10:09:39 AM EDT
[#5]
buy a saiga sporter either convert it yourself or find a smith to do it. This way you get a Kvar quality firearm when you can afford the parts.
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 10:11:08 AM EDT
[#6]
Quoted:
Quoted:
I have ruled out the Wasr10.


 That was going to be my suggestion - a good WASR and a shitload of ammo.

It just feels wrong somehow to me to pay more than $400 for an AK


And what does anyone get for paying more?  It's an AK, not a work of art, not a precision sniper rifle.
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 10:11:29 AM EDT
[#7]
Arsenal - get it through AIM and be done with it. In the end, a high quality AK that you'll have no complaints about.
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 10:15:30 AM EDT
[#8]
Yugo.

I think they're still <=$700.

Love my M70AB2.
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 10:16:34 AM EDT
[#9]
Quoted:

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I have ruled out the Wasr10.


That was going to be my suggestion - a good WASR and a shitload of ammo.

It just feels wrong somehow to me to pay more than $400 for an AK

I feel the same way.


Then get one now because you're gonna hate next year.


What do you know that we don't?
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 10:40:21 AM EDT
[#10]
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buy a saiga sporter either convert it yourself or find a smith to do it. This way you get a Kvar quality firearm when you can afford the parts.


I found a used saga sporter for $350. Move on it?
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 10:44:04 AM EDT
[#11]
Quoted:
Quoted:
I have ruled out the Wasr10.


 That was going to be my suggestion - a good WASR and a shitload of ammo.

It just feels wrong somehow to me to pay more than $400 for an AK


A giant +1 here.   It is a crudely made rifle that works well.  Why pay anymore than $400 to $500 for one, unless you have a collectible.

Link Posted: 8/11/2011 10:44:38 AM EDT
[#12]



Quoted:


So what do I buy? I have ruled out the Wasr10. What is the middle step between those and say a KVAR or arsenal gun?


Blue = Yes



 
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 10:45:25 AM EDT
[#13]
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buy a saiga sporter either convert it yourself or find a smith to do it. This way you get a Kvar quality firearm when you can afford the parts.


I found a used saga sporter for $350. Move on it?


How much are they new?

You'll have to move the trigger group forward and make it accept ak47 magazines. What does that cost?
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 10:46:32 AM EDT
[#14]
Seems to be the going rate for them, I'd say get it but try and talk him down a few bucks.
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 10:48:24 AM EDT
[#15]
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buy a saiga sporter either convert it yourself or find a smith to do it. This way you get a Kvar quality firearm when you can afford the parts.


I found a used saga sporter for $350. Move on it?


How much are they new?

You'll have to move the trigger group forward and make it accept ak47 magazines. What does that cost?


Parts from dinzagarms around 200 something
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 10:49:35 AM EDT
[#16]
Miles...while I respect what KVAR and Arsenal do, I have to re-suggest going with a carefully selected WASR.

Link Posted: 8/11/2011 10:50:52 AM EDT
[#17]
my buddy just picked up a bulgy AK74 for just under 400.. I got to shoot it this weekend. Great gun.


389 plus shipping

http://www.wideners.com/itemdetail.cfm?item_id=10000021&dir=700|701|1028
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 10:51:17 AM EDT
[#18]
Draco AK pistol + tax stamp.
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 10:53:37 AM EDT
[#19]
Quoted:
Quoted:
I have ruled out the Wasr10.


 That was going to be my suggestion - a good WASR and a shitload of ammo.

It just feels wrong somehow to me to pay more than $400 for an AK


I agree, I've got a Romy SAR-1 (pre-WASR) and have shot the hell out of it. Never had any problems at all with it and it was $379 when I bought it.
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 10:53:44 AM EDT
[#20]
Quoted:
So what do I buy? I have ruled out the Wasr10. What is the middle step between those and say a KVAR or arsenal gun?


KVAR/arsenal is same same.  Kvar is the sales part of Arsenal, same address.
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 11:06:38 AM EDT
[#21]
Quoted:
Quoted:
I have ruled out the Wasr10.


 That was going to be my suggestion - a good WASR and a shitload of ammo.

It just feels wrong somehow to me to pay more than $400 for an AK


First post nailed it.
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 11:09:47 AM EDT
[#22]
WASR and ammo is the only answer. AKs are supposed to be cheap and crude. It's part of their charm.
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 11:11:59 AM EDT
[#23]
WASR's arn't bad if you can look one over and check for canted front sight and front gas block and can live without the magwell dimples.

Then, some reworking of where they converted the single stack mag opening to a double stack mag opening with a dremel and a file may be needed.  it's not difficult to tweak a WASR...it involves some reading on the internet and a little work, but nothing that's terribly difficult.

Also, on the cheaper end of the AK spectrum, Tennesee Gun AMD65's can still be had for 400 bucks from Centerfire Systems.  Bulgy parts kit built Century AK74's with US barrels for less than 400 (these are nice because surplus ammo is redicululsly cheap, however, the US barrels are not chrome lined, so make sure you clean after shooting).  Stay away from the Century polish Tantals in 5.45 though.

The Century M70AB2's arn't bad either.

There are some Polish underfolders built on NDS receivers with US barrels for about 500 bucks floating around right now that appear to be a much better deal than a 400 buck WASR.  If I didn't already have 4 Polish kits set aside, that's what I'd probably snag next.



Link Posted: 8/11/2011 11:13:02 AM EDT
[#24]
get an amd 65 from centerfire ssystems.

site sponser
same quality as an arsenal
same price as wasr
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 11:33:50 AM EDT
[#25]
The only major issue I noticed with the AMD's that TGI is/was putting out that Centerfire is selling is that there is no rear sling swivel.  

No biggie though...I got the dimensions for where the slit should be cut in, drilled and filed the opening and installed one.  They rear sling swivel can be had for less than 20 bucks if you look around.

An added bonus is these are original Hungarian chrome lined barrels on these guns from (at least in my case) matching parts kits and FEG receivers.
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 11:35:31 AM EDT
[#26]
Find a nice kit. Find a good builder and send them some business......Winning



Seriously though nearly all my ak's have been kit builds and I wouldn't buy any new commercially made ak's....A pre ban yes
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 11:38:43 AM EDT
[#27]
Quoted:
Quoted:
I have ruled out the Wasr10.


 That was going to be my suggestion - a good WASR and a shitload of ammo.

It just feels wrong somehow to me to pay more than $400 for an AK


this
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 11:40:46 AM EDT
[#28]




Quoted:



Quoted:





Quoted:





Quoted:



Quoted:

I have ruled out the Wasr10.




That was going to be my suggestion - a good WASR and a shitload of ammo.



It just feels wrong somehow to me to pay more than $400 for an AK


I feel the same way.





Then get one now because you're gonna hate next year.




What do you know that we don't?




I don't know any secret information, just public information, such as:



next year is an election year

the economy is getting ready to enter a "second recession" (funny, I didn't know the first one ended)

prices of staple commodities like food and fuel are continuing to rise, indicating inflation has begun

the feds are desperate to deflect attention away from the BATFE scandal and blame American gun culture for violence in Mexico



You know... stuff like that.
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 11:41:40 AM EDT
[#29]
Come on, WASR? The Romanians are looked upon by all the other Eastern European nations as lazy unskilled scum. Their AKs are the worst and were built like the people in that country hated doing their job and sort of in a saboteur sense as well.





Get a Rifle built from at least a respectable Slavic nation like Yugo, Bulgarian or Polish.


 
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 11:41:45 AM EDT
[#30]
Amazingly enough, we have an AK Discussions forum where this question comes up so frequently you can find a dozen threads in the first several pages merely by looking.
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 11:43:24 AM EDT
[#31]
Quoted:

Quoted:
Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
Quoted:
I have ruled out the Wasr10.


That was going to be my suggestion - a good WASR and a shitload of ammo.

It just feels wrong somehow to me to pay more than $400 for an AK

I feel the same way.


Then get one now because you're gonna hate next year.


What do you know that we don't?


I don't know any secret information, just public information, such as:

next year is an election year
the economy is getting ready to enter a "second recession" (funny, I didn't know the first one ended)
prices of staple commodities like food and fuel are continuing to rise
the feds are desperate to deflect attention away from the BATFE scandal and blame American gun culture for violence in Mexico

You know... stuff like that.


I thought you had cool inside information.
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 11:45:42 AM EDT
[#32]



Quoted:



Quoted:




Quoted:


Quoted:




Quoted:




Quoted:


Quoted:

I have ruled out the Wasr10.




That was going to be my suggestion - a good WASR and a shitload of ammo.



It just feels wrong somehow to me to pay more than $400 for an AK


I feel the same way.





Then get one now because you're gonna hate next year.




What do you know that we don't?




I don't know any secret information, just public information, such as:



next year is an election year

the economy is getting ready to enter a "second recession" (funny, I didn't know the first one ended)

prices of staple commodities like food and fuel are continuing to rise

the feds are desperate to deflect attention away from the BATFE scandal and blame American gun culture for violence in Mexico



You know... stuff like that.




I thought you had cool inside information.


He doesn't, but he is right.  AKs are likely about as low as you'll see them again.  Keep in mind that the ATF could ban imports as well through any stupid little fiat they want, like the sporting clause, etc.  



 
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 11:46:29 AM EDT
[#33]
Quoted:
Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
Quoted:
I have ruled out the Wasr10.


That was going to be my suggestion - a good WASR and a shitload of ammo.

It just feels wrong somehow to me to pay more than $400 for an AK

I feel the same way.


Then get one now because you're gonna hate next year.


What do you know that we don't?


There's an election next year.  

Link Posted: 8/11/2011 11:46:45 AM EDT
[#34]
I'm in the Saiga camp... Buy a Saiga, convert it, and you have a Russian made, fantastic quality AK at a great price.
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 11:48:41 AM EDT
[#35]
What about getting a Draco AK pistol, and adding on the tax stamp for a nice little sexy SBR?
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 11:49:12 AM EDT
[#36]
Even if I DID have the super cool inside information, I would keep it to myself.   If I posted it here, first nobody would listen, they would call me names and at least two people would vaguely reference OPSEC like its some sort of sacred cow, and then when the price increase actuallly happened they would be mad at ME for it happening, like it was somehow my idea the BATFE banned the importation of AK barrels in 2005.  



There's alot of "shoot the messenger" that happens here, and I have a long memory.
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 11:49:19 AM EDT
[#37]



Quoted:



Quoted:

I have ruled out the Wasr10.




 That was going to be my suggestion - a good WASR and a shitload of ammo.



It just feels wrong somehow to me to pay more than $400 for an AK


Unless it is a VEPR!

 





Link Posted: 8/11/2011 11:50:24 AM EDT
[#38]
Quoted:
I'm in the Saiga camp... Buy a Saiga, convert it, and you have a Russian made, fantastic quality AK at a great price.


this and you can configure it the way you want.
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 11:53:34 AM EDT
[#39]
MAC 90.

Milled reciever
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 12:00:46 PM EDT
[#40]
MAC 90 or century Bulgarian 74 with lots of ammo.
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 12:08:28 PM EDT
[#41]



Quoted:


my buddy just picked up a bulgy AK74 for just under 400.. I got to shoot it this weekend. Great gun.





389 plus shipping



http://www.wideners.com/itemdetail.cfm?item_id=10000021&dir=700|701|1028


Damn you! Must check banking account...

 
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 12:17:05 PM EDT
[#42]
Arsenal SGL21 runs about 650 if you watch the EE...

Folks are always saying get the best M1 Garand you can afford from the CMP, the AK is no different. Pay the little extra for something that will hold resale value, and give you quality russian components.
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 12:31:34 PM EDT
[#43]
Get the Arsenal.  SGL-20 or SGL-21.
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 12:39:00 PM EDT
[#44]





Quoted:



I'm in the Saiga camp... Buy a Saiga, convert it, and you have a Russian made, fantastic quality AK at a great price.



+1



That way you get a REAL DEAL Russian AK and it's not expensive.





 
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 12:44:59 PM EDT
[#45]
Quoted:
Quoted:
I have ruled out the Wasr10.


 That was going to be my suggestion - a good WASR and a shitload of ammo.

It just feels wrong somehow to me to pay more than $400 for an AK


Same here.  

My WASR has been fine.
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 12:47:58 PM EDT
[#46]
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Arsenal SGL21 runs about 650 if you watch the EE...

Folks are always saying get the best M1 Garand you can afford from the CMP, the AK is no different. Pay the little extra for something that will hold resale value, and give you quality russian components.






Sorry, child of the 70's and that struck me as funny.

Link Posted: 8/11/2011 12:50:30 PM EDT
[#47]
I have 3 yugos.
One pre ban made in Zastava and two Century underfolders.
They work great.
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 12:51:09 PM EDT
[#48]
Look around for a Century Yugo...either a fixed stock or an Underfolder. Both pop up on the EE here from time to time. The Underfolders are the more common of the two.

The Yugo's were built by someone for Century and are of much nicer quality than what Century normally puts out.
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 12:52:22 PM EDT
[#49]
Arsenal 107F.



I've had a few guns done by companies like Rifle Dynamics and, while Jim does great work, you simply can't beat an out-of-the-box Arsenal in price/quality.
Link Posted: 8/11/2011 12:52:49 PM EDT
[#50]
I'd try to get a converted saiga. the base 7.62 rifle is $400 new.


That way you have a real izhmash made in russia ak47, not some copy.

a 107F is good but about 200 over your budget.

http://www.k-var.com/shop/product.php?productid=17040
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