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Posted: 8/11/2011 10:02:36 AM EDT
So what do I buy? I have ruled out the Wasr10. What is the middle step between those and say a KVAR or arsenal gun?
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I have ruled out the Wasr10. That was going to be my suggestion - a good WASR and a shitload of ammo. It just feels wrong somehow to me to pay more than $400 for an AK |
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Acquire a good parts kit, buy a Nodak receiver and pay a good AK builder to put it together for you.
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buy a saiga sporter either convert it yourself or find a smith to do it. This way you get a Kvar quality firearm when you can afford the parts.
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I have ruled out the Wasr10. That was going to be my suggestion - a good WASR and a shitload of ammo. It just feels wrong somehow to me to pay more than $400 for an AK And what does anyone get for paying more? It's an AK, not a work of art, not a precision sniper rifle. |
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Arsenal - get it through AIM and be done with it. In the end, a high quality AK that you'll have no complaints about.
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I have ruled out the Wasr10. That was going to be my suggestion - a good WASR and a shitload of ammo. It just feels wrong somehow to me to pay more than $400 for an AK I feel the same way. Then get one now because you're gonna hate next year. What do you know that we don't? |
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buy a saiga sporter either convert it yourself or find a smith to do it. This way you get a Kvar quality firearm when you can afford the parts. I found a used saga sporter for $350. Move on it? |
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I have ruled out the Wasr10. That was going to be my suggestion - a good WASR and a shitload of ammo. It just feels wrong somehow to me to pay more than $400 for an AK A giant +1 here. It is a crudely made rifle that works well. Why pay anymore than $400 to $500 for one, unless you have a collectible. |
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Quoted: So what do I buy? I have ruled out the Wasr10. What is the middle step between those and say a KVAR or arsenal gun? Blue = Yes |
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buy a saiga sporter either convert it yourself or find a smith to do it. This way you get a Kvar quality firearm when you can afford the parts. I found a used saga sporter for $350. Move on it? How much are they new? You'll have to move the trigger group forward and make it accept ak47 magazines. What does that cost? |
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Seems to be the going rate for them, I'd say get it but try and talk him down a few bucks.
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buy a saiga sporter either convert it yourself or find a smith to do it. This way you get a Kvar quality firearm when you can afford the parts. I found a used saga sporter for $350. Move on it? How much are they new? You'll have to move the trigger group forward and make it accept ak47 magazines. What does that cost? Parts from dinzagarms around 200 something |
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Miles...while I respect what KVAR and Arsenal do, I have to re-suggest going with a carefully selected WASR.
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my buddy just picked up a bulgy AK74 for just under 400.. I got to shoot it this weekend. Great gun.
389 plus shipping http://www.wideners.com/itemdetail.cfm?item_id=10000021&dir=700|701|1028 |
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I have ruled out the Wasr10. That was going to be my suggestion - a good WASR and a shitload of ammo. It just feels wrong somehow to me to pay more than $400 for an AK I agree, I've got a Romy SAR-1 (pre-WASR) and have shot the hell out of it. Never had any problems at all with it and it was $379 when I bought it. |
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So what do I buy? I have ruled out the Wasr10. What is the middle step between those and say a KVAR or arsenal gun? KVAR/arsenal is same same. Kvar is the sales part of Arsenal, same address. |
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I have ruled out the Wasr10. That was going to be my suggestion - a good WASR and a shitload of ammo. It just feels wrong somehow to me to pay more than $400 for an AK First post nailed it. |
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WASR and ammo is the only answer. AKs are supposed to be cheap and crude. It's part of their charm.
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WASR's arn't bad if you can look one over and check for canted front sight and front gas block and can live without the magwell dimples.
Then, some reworking of where they converted the single stack mag opening to a double stack mag opening with a dremel and a file may be needed. it's not difficult to tweak a WASR...it involves some reading on the internet and a little work, but nothing that's terribly difficult. Also, on the cheaper end of the AK spectrum, Tennesee Gun AMD65's can still be had for 400 bucks from Centerfire Systems. Bulgy parts kit built Century AK74's with US barrels for less than 400 (these are nice because surplus ammo is redicululsly cheap, however, the US barrels are not chrome lined, so make sure you clean after shooting). Stay away from the Century polish Tantals in 5.45 though. The Century M70AB2's arn't bad either. There are some Polish underfolders built on NDS receivers with US barrels for about 500 bucks floating around right now that appear to be a much better deal than a 400 buck WASR. If I didn't already have 4 Polish kits set aside, that's what I'd probably snag next. |
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get an amd 65 from centerfire ssystems.
site sponser same quality as an arsenal same price as wasr |
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The only major issue I noticed with the AMD's that TGI is/was putting out that Centerfire is selling is that there is no rear sling swivel.
No biggie though...I got the dimensions for where the slit should be cut in, drilled and filed the opening and installed one. They rear sling swivel can be had for less than 20 bucks if you look around. An added bonus is these are original Hungarian chrome lined barrels on these guns from (at least in my case) matching parts kits and FEG receivers. |
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Find a nice kit. Find a good builder and send them some business......Winning
Seriously though nearly all my ak's have been kit builds and I wouldn't buy any new commercially made ak's....A pre ban yes |
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I have ruled out the Wasr10. That was going to be my suggestion - a good WASR and a shitload of ammo. It just feels wrong somehow to me to pay more than $400 for an AK this |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I have ruled out the Wasr10. That was going to be my suggestion - a good WASR and a shitload of ammo. It just feels wrong somehow to me to pay more than $400 for an AK I feel the same way. Then get one now because you're gonna hate next year. What do you know that we don't? I don't know any secret information, just public information, such as: next year is an election year the economy is getting ready to enter a "second recession" (funny, I didn't know the first one ended) prices of staple commodities like food and fuel are continuing to rise, indicating inflation has begun the feds are desperate to deflect attention away from the BATFE scandal and blame American gun culture for violence in Mexico You know... stuff like that. |
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Come on, WASR? The Romanians are looked upon by all the other Eastern European nations as lazy unskilled scum. Their AKs are the worst and were built like the people in that country hated doing their job and sort of in a saboteur sense as well.
Get a Rifle built from at least a respectable Slavic nation like Yugo, Bulgarian or Polish. |
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Amazingly enough, we have an AK Discussions forum where this question comes up so frequently you can find a dozen threads in the first several pages merely by looking.
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I have ruled out the Wasr10. That was going to be my suggestion - a good WASR and a shitload of ammo. It just feels wrong somehow to me to pay more than $400 for an AK I feel the same way. Then get one now because you're gonna hate next year. What do you know that we don't? I don't know any secret information, just public information, such as: next year is an election year the economy is getting ready to enter a "second recession" (funny, I didn't know the first one ended) prices of staple commodities like food and fuel are continuing to rise the feds are desperate to deflect attention away from the BATFE scandal and blame American gun culture for violence in Mexico You know... stuff like that. I thought you had cool inside information. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I have ruled out the Wasr10. That was going to be my suggestion - a good WASR and a shitload of ammo. It just feels wrong somehow to me to pay more than $400 for an AK I feel the same way. Then get one now because you're gonna hate next year. What do you know that we don't? I don't know any secret information, just public information, such as: next year is an election year the economy is getting ready to enter a "second recession" (funny, I didn't know the first one ended) prices of staple commodities like food and fuel are continuing to rise the feds are desperate to deflect attention away from the BATFE scandal and blame American gun culture for violence in Mexico You know... stuff like that. I thought you had cool inside information. He doesn't, but he is right. AKs are likely about as low as you'll see them again. Keep in mind that the ATF could ban imports as well through any stupid little fiat they want, like the sporting clause, etc. |
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I have ruled out the Wasr10. That was going to be my suggestion - a good WASR and a shitload of ammo. It just feels wrong somehow to me to pay more than $400 for an AK I feel the same way. Then get one now because you're gonna hate next year. What do you know that we don't? There's an election next year. |
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I'm in the Saiga camp... Buy a Saiga, convert it, and you have a Russian made, fantastic quality AK at a great price.
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What about getting a Draco AK pistol, and adding on the tax stamp for a nice little sexy SBR?
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Even if I DID have the super cool inside information, I would keep it to myself. If I posted it here, first nobody would listen, they would call me names and at least two people would vaguely reference OPSEC like its some sort of sacred cow, and then when the price increase actuallly happened they would be mad at ME for it happening, like it was somehow my idea the BATFE banned the importation of AK barrels in 2005.
There's alot of "shoot the messenger" that happens here, and I have a long memory. |
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Quoted: Quoted: I have ruled out the Wasr10. That was going to be my suggestion - a good WASR and a shitload of ammo. It just feels wrong somehow to me to pay more than $400 for an AK Unless it is a VEPR! |
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I'm in the Saiga camp... Buy a Saiga, convert it, and you have a Russian made, fantastic quality AK at a great price. this and you can configure it the way you want. |
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Quoted: my buddy just picked up a bulgy AK74 for just under 400.. I got to shoot it this weekend. Great gun. 389 plus shipping http://www.wideners.com/itemdetail.cfm?item_id=10000021&dir=700|701|1028 Damn you! Must check banking account... |
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Arsenal SGL21 runs about 650 if you watch the EE...
Folks are always saying get the best M1 Garand you can afford from the CMP, the AK is no different. Pay the little extra for something that will hold resale value, and give you quality russian components. |
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Quoted: I'm in the Saiga camp... Buy a Saiga, convert it, and you have a Russian made, fantastic quality AK at a great price. +1 That way you get a REAL DEAL Russian AK and it's not expensive. |
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I have ruled out the Wasr10. That was going to be my suggestion - a good WASR and a shitload of ammo. It just feels wrong somehow to me to pay more than $400 for an AK Same here. My WASR has been fine. |
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Arsenal SGL21 runs about 650 if you watch the EE... Folks are always saying get the best M1 Garand you can afford from the CMP, the AK is no different. Pay the little extra for something that will hold resale value, and give you quality russian components. Sorry, child of the 70's and that struck me as funny. |
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I have 3 yugos.
One pre ban made in Zastava and two Century underfolders. They work great. |
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Look around for a Century Yugo...either a fixed stock or an Underfolder. Both pop up on the EE here from time to time. The Underfolders are the more common of the two.
The Yugo's were built by someone for Century and are of much nicer quality than what Century normally puts out. |
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Arsenal 107F.
I've had a few guns done by companies like Rifle Dynamics and, while Jim does great work, you simply can't beat an out-of-the-box Arsenal in price/quality. |
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I'd try to get a converted saiga. the base 7.62 rifle is $400 new.
That way you have a real izhmash made in russia ak47, not some copy. a 107F is good but about 200 over your budget. http://www.k-var.com/shop/product.php?productid=17040 |
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