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Posted: 9/24/2005 4:38:38 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/24/2005 7:24:10 PM EDT by ARnutt]

That I need a new rifle for deer hunting and possibly later big game hunting[elk or antilope]

Yes.....

Ok this is where you guys come in, I need some suggestions about a economicly priced rifle[not much more than $500 or $600 not including a scope.]

I am a farely good shot and want a rifle that is capable of around submoa so that when I miss I know its me and not the rifle I spent so much on

I am looking at a 270 or 308 in a package that can be heavy but not like a varmint rig heavy

I was thinking the Weatherby Vanguard but figured I had better check with the authority in firearms[ You know the motto.........Collectively we know everything].


Thanks a million guys
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 4:46:32 PM EDT
you could get a pretty nice used Winchester md 70 for that. if you want new look at a savage. they are well know for out-of-box accuracy.
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 4:48:00 PM EDT
You can get a Savage 10FP in .308 for around $400, it has a heavy barrel but isn't outrageously heavy. That leaves you with an excellent rifle and a couple hundred bucks left for optics. You can find some more hunting oriented packages from Savage for a little more that include a scope if you don't want a "tactical" style rifle.
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 4:54:16 PM EDT
you should be buying your dad a rifle...........
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 4:56:21 PM EDT

Originally Posted By AROKIE:
you should be buying your dad a rifle...........




Yeah no shit, what kind of kid are you
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 4:57:42 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 4:59:22 PM EDT

Originally Posted By grizzlyarms:
you could get a pretty nice used Winchester md 70 for that. if you want new look at a savage. they are well know for out-of-box accuracy.



Winchester makes about a million different configurations of the mdl 70 please be more specific.
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 5:00:58 PM EDT

Originally Posted By dpmmn:

Originally Posted By AROKIE:
you should be buying your dad a rifle...........




Yeah no shit, what kind of kid are you




Me and my brothers tried to get him to let us by him a handgun for fathersday but he said NO

You can't say we didn't try
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 5:02:06 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ARnutt:

Originally Posted By dpmmn:

Originally Posted By AROKIE:
you should be buying your dad a rifle...........




Yeah no shit, what kind of kid are you




Me and my brothers tried to get him to let us by him a handgun for fathersday but he said NO

You can't say we didn't try




Well you are right you tried ,............good kid

Now get yourself a nice Winchester
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 5:02:43 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Defcon:
If you are going to eventually hunt elk and/or other big game, I would personally go for a 300WM.

Congrads on the upcoming purchase.



I thought about that but ammo cost is an issue and I am looking for a smaller cal. than that
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 5:02:56 PM EDT
A 7mm WSM.
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 5:04:30 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 6:16:05 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Defcon:

Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
A 7mm WSM.



This is good advice if the 300wm is out of the question.



Ok thanks for the advice

One other concern of mine is the recoil[which is another reason why I'm looking for a smaller cal.] how does the recoil on your suggestions compare to eachother and the only gun I'm real familiar with the trusty 12ga
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 6:23:30 PM EDT


tag for any new comers who might want to weigh in


Thanks


carry on
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 6:27:51 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/24/2005 6:28:28 PM EDT by Defcon]
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 6:29:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/24/2005 6:30:25 PM EDT by zer04evr]
I have a Steyr-Mannlicher SBS Pro/Tactical .308 bolt action. Accurate and consistant as a mofo.
4 round removable magazine that hides in the stock.



I love black rifles!
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 6:31:33 PM EDT
Buy one of the new short mags made by your favorite manufacturer. All production grade guns have their own quirks and benefits.
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 6:33:57 PM EDT
I've been looking into the Winchester 70 Classic Featherweight in 300 WSM.

www.winchesterguns.com/prodinfo/catalog/detail.asp?cat_id=535&type_id=004&cat=001C
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 6:41:11 PM EDT


tagged in hope for more comments
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 6:42:45 PM EDT
Tikka.
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 6:54:16 PM EDT
If I was buying a hunting rifle I would buy one made buy Savage and chambered in 30-06. Savage makes a very accurate rifle at a very good price. And 30-06 is the most versatile round that you can buy, it can be found in factory loads with bullets ranging from 55 grs to 220 grs. Also Hornady makes some loads for it that they refer to as "Light Magnum" which are close to 300 Win Mag levels.

www.savagearms.com/centerfire_home.htm
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 6:56:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/24/2005 6:58:18 PM EDT by ARnutt]
Another thought to concider though not a major detail

In all humble honesty I am a good shot and would concider shooting it in a sporting rifle comp or even somehting more advanced



ETA: finally after almost 2 yrs I finally reached a post count of 200
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 6:58:15 PM EDT
I would pick .308 over the ought six. I dont shoot bullets heavier than 175 gr or so anyway. If I need more punch I get the Sako .375 out of the safe. Like the time I cleaned the head off a bird with one .375 at 75 yards.....
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 7:04:48 PM EDT

Take a look at the Remington 700 LTR model in 308. You get a an MOA rifle that weighs the same as a BDL and has a lot better stock on it. It's shorter too so it is handier. It's light enough to carry around no problem.
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 7:06:23 PM EDT
I have seen alot of press about the weatherby vanguard is that worth looking at or not
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 7:25:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/24/2005 7:25:45 PM EDT by ARnutt]
tag for poll


ya i'm that desperate and bored
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 7:32:56 PM EDT
I voted for the Savage.

A few years ago (Before the Accutrigger) I had a 110 .308 and a Remington PSS .308 with detachable mag' that an occifer buddy and I used to shoot 'potato wars" against each other with and my '110 (Even with the 'crappy" trigger) routinely outshot my Remington.

Not saying that the PSS' are 'bad" but, the 110's are VERY underrated!!!
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 9:05:03 PM EDT
LTR, haven't shot them but I have heard praise about them.
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 11:22:43 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Rustygun:
Take a look at the Remington 700 LTR model in 308. You get a an MOA rifle that weighs the same as a BDL and has a lot better stock on it. It's shorter too so it is handier. It's light enough to carry around no problem.



For bigger game hunting, otherwise the Savage 10FP. This is where you get into trade-offs. The Savage has a heavy long barrel, but is probably a little more accurate than the Remmie. The Remmie is smaller and lighter for hunting and the accuracy difference is probably not enough to make a difference on bigger game. Varmints or small game one of the Savage would probably run rings around a Remmie or Winnie for the same total $$.
Link Posted: 9/25/2005 4:53:34 AM EDT
Savage in .308
Link Posted: 9/25/2005 5:27:05 AM EDT
Next question is how long would you recomend getting the barrel

the savage 10fp comes in 20-24-26in barrels what is the best bet
Link Posted: 9/25/2005 8:31:39 AM EDT
LTR in .308 is all you will ever need.
Link Posted: 9/25/2005 8:50:14 AM EDT
Savage is, what we call in hot rod speak, a "sleeper".
Link Posted: 9/25/2005 8:58:00 AM EDT
Damn.....get them ALL!!
Link Posted: 9/25/2005 9:03:29 AM EDT
In order of my personal preference.

Savage
Winchester
Weatherby Vanguard
Remington
Link Posted: 9/25/2005 9:03:52 AM EDT
I bought a Savage 110 for my dad earlier this yr. It is the pre-accutrigger. Honestly, it prints a tight a group as m Sig Blaser, both in .270. The only thing I don't like is the safety, seems like it might be tough to handle with gloves (not that they are needed much here in FL).

The Rem LTR is kinda heavy to carry all day & over kill for hunting in my opinion.

IMHO I'd look for a good used rifle at your local Gun Shop. It's amazing the Rem's/pre-64 winchesters/savages that are traded in near new condition. They just don't seem to rust like the newer guns, I will guess we used better steel 20 yrs ago?

Good luck.
Link Posted: 9/25/2005 9:16:14 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/25/2005 9:20:14 AM EDT by CaptSchofield]
Being a parent is supposed to include, kids getting jobs, moving out on thier own, then buying toys for thier parents to play with.

get the Win. M7O in 308 or even a 300 win mag
Link Posted: 9/25/2005 9:16:46 AM EDT
Looks like the Savage gets the most votes. You shouldn't feel underdressed with it, anyway. I would lean toward a Model 70, but that's just for sentimental reasons.

Recoil? .308, .30-06 never bothered me (average size guy) but I first shot .30-06 when I was about ten so maybe I am used to it. About like a 12 gauge, I would reckon, but with more snap than push. Get yourself a reasonable recoil pad and hold that puppy into your shoulder real well and you shouldn't have a problem. Maybe shoot it from a bench rest a few times so you have more stability and support until you get used to it.
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