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Posted: 7/18/2002 9:40:01 PM EST
[Last Edit: 7/18/2002 10:12:52 PM EST by Sydwaiz]
Well, sorta anyways. I atleast did some of the cooking. You see, there was this party at my wife's work today and it was Hawaiin themed. She works for a major financial corp. here in Los Angeles so there is a lot of racial diversity. A lady that works with her turned 60 today so the office threw her a suprise party. A local restaurant did some of the catering and a few people made dishes to bring in. I don't work there but I had to cook. My specialty is Hawaiin style fried rice with bacon and "char siu" pork. Other items inlcuded Kahlua pig, pork ribs, chicken, etc. Now one of her co-workers is an Egyptian-Muslim who I kinda wonder about. He does all those things that muslims aren't supposed to do like drink and gamble and swear or whatever. But he did make a big deal about not letting the chicken touch the pork or he will go to hell or some BS like that. Well guess what? It seems this guy has never heard the term "PORK, the other white meat." Apparently he ate some of the kahlua pig thinking it was chicken until someone told him otherwise. "But I thought pork was supposed to be pink" he said, "this is white." DUH! He did say it was good, though. [>:/] Now a little later, he steps into my wifes office and starts blaming her for eating pork and telling her it's her fault if he goes to hell. My wife and another lady tell him he's a dumbass for not asking and it's his own damn fault. My wife then proceeds to ask him if he tried the fried rice that I made. "Why? Does that have pork in it too?" he ask worriedly. "No, not at all. I just wanted to see if you liked it since my husband made it" she replied.[;)] He accepts what they say and leaves the office. As soon as he leaves, both my wife and the other lady are in tears laughing so hard. Another strange thing is that there seems to be a lot more Jews eating pork openly these days. Another guy at her work is Jewish and loaded his plate up with pork today and flat out says he loves the stuff. Has anyone else noticed this? I don't have a problem with it, I just find it odd. I personally think all this is funny. How about you? Do you think that I did anything wrong? Oh well. Who can I send to hell next?[}:)]
Link Posted: 7/18/2002 9:46:00 PM EST
Sounds like a lack of respect that goes beyond a dirty trick not to tell the man that the rice was cooked with pork.
Link Posted: 7/18/2002 9:46:07 PM EST
Good Job... Next, 'ya gotta do some of the "72 virgins" ! [:D]
Link Posted: 7/18/2002 9:49:58 PM EST
Originally Posted By IMHO: Sounds like a lack of respect that goes beyond a dirty trick not to tell the man that the rice was cooked with pork.
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Yeah, as evil as I claim to be... not very humorous. What if a similar thing happen to any of these christian folk on this board... they would be crying in their (fiction) bibles; and you would never hear the end of it. No matter what, don't come between a man and his invisible friend in the sky. It's a good excuse to do whacked out things. [rolleyes]
Link Posted: 7/18/2002 9:52:21 PM EST
You didnt do anything wrong at all. The only meats I eat are Chicken and Turkey so if I dont know what the item I am about to eat has in it I always ask,thats MY responsibility not the persons who cooked it, I dont expect everyone to know what I eat and what I dont eat. He should have asked just to be extra sure.
Link Posted: 7/18/2002 9:54:31 PM EST
Originally Posted By IMHO: Sounds like a lack of respect that goes beyond a dirty trick not to tell the man that the rice was cooked with pork.
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Lack of respect? ,i have a deep seated burning desire to feed pork to evey muslim in the world if it will send them to hell. Arab muslims are at the top of the list. I want payback from all arabs so the USA will not ever again be blind sided by them,period. Kill them all and let alah sort em out. And if he ate the pork without knowing it was there then i think the koran lets him off the hook. Hell if it's that easy to shake up muslims lets drop white meat pork to all them starving arabs. And then a week later tell them it was pork.
Link Posted: 7/18/2002 9:57:17 PM EST
Here's what our Lord and Savior, [b]Jesus[/b], says about such nonsense as dietary laws: [b]Matthew 15:11 -[/b] [b][red]'Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.'[/red][/b] Now [u]that[/u] is wisdom, true wisdom, and the kind that is not found even unto this day! Eric The('NeverSpakeManThus')Hun[>]:)]
Link Posted: 7/18/2002 10:04:10 PM EST
i had a chance to change to the muslim religion at a certain point in my life. but when i was told that i couldnt eat pork-chops, fried pork rinds, ham hocks, honey baked ham, baby back ribs, etc...anymore, i told them to kiss my pork fed fat ass. [whacko]
Link Posted: 7/18/2002 10:04:29 PM EST
[Last Edit: 7/18/2002 10:05:43 PM EST by M4_Aiming_at_U]
Originally Posted By IMHO:
Originally Posted By M4_Aiming_at_U: . . . He should have asked just to be extra sure.
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In fact, the man did ask. Granted, this was after the fact, but Sydwaiz lied to the man's face, then laughed behind his back. The wife's question was not one of concern, but an attempt to set the man up for public mockery. [Edited in light of ETH's passage: I wonder if the comment that emerged from Sydwaiz' mouth can be considered a defiling boldface lie. . . ]
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I dont see anywhere in Sydwaiz post that HE told the Arab personally that it wasnt pork. I dont think that Sydwaiz was even there from the way it sounds. It seems that he just cooked the food and his wife took it into work. Sydwaiz ,am I right?
Link Posted: 7/18/2002 10:05:22 PM EST
Originally Posted By IMHO:
Originally Posted By M4_Aiming_at_U: . . . He should have asked just to be extra sure.
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In fact, the man did ask. Granted, this was after the fact, but Sydwaiz lied to the man's face, then laughed behind his back. The wife's question was not one of concern, but an attempt to set the man up for public mockery. [Edited in light of ETH's passage: I wonder if the comment that emerged from Sydwaiz' mouth can be considered a defiling boldface lie. . . ]
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I didn't lie because I wasn't there. I just cooked the food. He should've asked before he ate it, not after. That's like going hunting and not knowing what your target is before you pull the trigger.
Link Posted: 7/18/2002 10:07:10 PM EST
[Last Edit: 7/18/2002 10:16:39 PM EST by Badseed]
Originally Posted By EricTheHun: Here's what our Lord and Savior, [b]Jesus[/b], says about such nonsense as dietary laws: [b]Matthew 15:11 -[/b] [b][red]'Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.'[/red][/b] Now [u]that[/u] is wisdom, true wisdom, and the kind that is not found even unto this day! Eric The('NeverSpakeManThus')Hun[>]:)]
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True.. but this was also said... (I love the hypocrisy of the bible... It's what happens when you construct a volume of word-of-mouth stories)
Originally posted by the Lord Almighty (or those comprising him ([:)])in his book of Leviticus 11.1-47: And the LORD spake unto Moses and to Aaron, saying unto them, Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, These are the beasts which ye shall eat among all the beasts that are on the earth. Whatsoever parteth the hoof, and is cloven-footed, and cheweth the cud, among the beasts, that shall ye eat. Nevertheless, these shall ye not eat of them that chew the cud, or of them that divide the hoof: as the camel, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you. And the coney, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you. And the hare, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you. [b][red]And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be cloven-footed, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you. Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcass shall ye not touch; they are unclean to you..[/red][/b]
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Next. But I get your point... They are good words. Now I shall read another story from Aesop's before I retire [:D]
Link Posted: 7/18/2002 10:09:01 PM EST
[Last Edit: 7/18/2002 10:13:40 PM EST by IMHO]
Originally Posted By M4_Aiming_at_U:
Originally Posted By IMHO:
Originally Posted By M4_Aiming_at_U: . . . He should have asked just to be extra sure.
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In fact, the man did ask. Granted, this was after the fact, but Sydwaiz lied to the man's face, then laughed behind his back. The wife's question was not one of concern, but an attempt to set the man up for public mockery. [Edited in light of ETH's passage: I wonder if the comment that emerged from Sydwaiz' mouth can be considered a defiling boldface lie. . . ]
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I dont see anywhere in Sydwaiz post that HE told the Arab personally that it wasnt pork. I dont think that Sydwaiz was even there from the way it sounds. It seems that he just cooked the food and his wife took it into work. Sydwaiz ,am I right?
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Sorry, you're absolutely right. His wife is the one who lied. Sydwaiz, I'm sorry for suggesting that you lied, or are subject to any heavenly repercussions. [I've deleted the suggestion]
Link Posted: 7/18/2002 10:12:36 PM EST
Originally Posted By Sydwaiz: I didn't lie because I wasn't there. I just cooked the food. He should've asked before he ate it, not after. That's like going hunting and not knowing what your target is before you pull the trigger.
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Again, I'm sorry. As I indicated before, it is your wife, not you, who lied. Not sure that I understand your analogy, though, I think that a better one would be like putting a Mickey Finn in a guy's drink, and laughing while he was on the toilet. A dirty little trick of a mini-minded weenie.
Link Posted: 7/18/2002 10:25:27 PM EST
Originally Posted By IMHO: Sorry, you're absolutely right. His wife is the one who lied. Sydwaiz, I'm sorry for suggesting that you lied, or are subject to any heavenly repercussions. [I've deleted the suggestion]
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Dont sweat it! [beer]
Link Posted: 7/18/2002 10:26:44 PM EST
But technically, the topic of: [b] I fed a muslim pork today![/b] States that you knowingly participat... ahh never mind. I'm just being ridiculous [/time to go to bed]
Link Posted: 7/18/2002 10:32:29 PM EST
Originally Posted By Badseed:
Originally Posted By EricTheHun: Here's what our Lord and Savior, [b]Jesus[/b], says about such nonsense as dietary laws: [b]Matthew 15:11 -[/b] [b][red]'Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.'[/red][/b] Now [u]that[/u] is wisdom, true wisdom, and the kind that is not found even unto this day! Eric The('NeverSpakeManThus')Hun[>]:)]
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True.. but this was also said... (I love the hypocrisy of the bible... It's what happens when you construct a volume of word-of-mouth stories)
Originally posted by the Lord Almighty (or those comprising him ([:)])in his book of Leviticus 11.1-47: And the LORD spake unto Moses and to Aaron, saying unto them, Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, These are the beasts which ye shall eat among all the beasts that are on the earth. Whatsoever parteth the hoof, and is cloven-footed, and cheweth the cud, among the beasts, that shall ye eat. Nevertheless, these shall ye not eat of them that chew the cud, or of them that divide the hoof: as the camel, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you. And the coney, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you. And the hare, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you. [b][red]And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be cloven-footed, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you. Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcass shall ye not touch; they are unclean to you..[/red][/b]
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Next. But I get your point... They are good words. Now I shall read another story from Aesop's before I retire [:D]
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Crud. I have to stop going to A&W for Coney Dogs?
Link Posted: 7/18/2002 10:37:03 PM EST
[Last Edit: 7/18/2002 10:38:43 PM EST by Badseed]
Originally Posted By talbalos: Crud. I have to stop going to A&W for Coney Dogs?
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Fear not! A coney is as follows my friend!
[b][i]Coney[/i][/b] Shaphan, most probably an animal resembling the rabbit, called by Dr. Shaw, daman (probably for ganam) Israel, "Israel's lamb," and by Bruce, ashkoko, which name he imagines is "derived from the singularity of these long herenacious hairs, which, like small thorns, grow about his back, and which an Amhara are called ashok." This curious animal abounds in Judea, Palestine, Arabia, and Ethiopia; and is described as being about seventeen inches when sitting. It has no tail; and at first sight gives the idea of a rat. Its colour is grey, mixed with reddish brown; the belly white, the body covered with strong polished hairs, for the most part about two inches in length; the ears round, and not pointed; the feet round, of a soft, pulpy, tender substance; the toes projecting beyond the nails, which are rather broad than sharp; the upper jaw is longer than the other; it lives upon grain, fruit, and roots, and certainly chews the cud; and it does not burrow like the hare and rabbit, but lives in clefts of the rocks. [red]Psalms 104:18; Proverbs 30:26[/red]
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Edited to add: Thanks ass. Now I need some A&W!!!!!!!!!!! Now where to find one in the Bellevue, WA area.. anyplace besides Kent?
Link Posted: 7/18/2002 11:00:49 PM EST
Originally Posted By Badseed: Edited to add: Thanks ass. Now I need some A&W!!!!!!!!!!! Now where to find one in the Bellevue, WA area.. anyplace besides Kent?
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Don't that suck? There used to be 7 A&W's in a 30 mile radius from where I live. Now there's only 1 and it's barely staying in business. The rest have become taquerias, vietnamese restaurants and even one software company (Imagine an A&W with a second story retrofit, painted butterscotch yellow).
Link Posted: 7/18/2002 11:46:50 PM EST
[Last Edit: 7/18/2002 11:48:36 PM EST by Winston_Wolf]
... Now if I understand you correctly, you fed swine to an unsuspecting Muslim. ... If so you were [b]WRONG[/b]! .. PERIOD I don't really give a fvck what all the cliche-ick trends are, you must realize that a species worth is based on actions, not fundamental religious beliefs unless violent. Do you really not know how closely the Koran preaches the basics that the King James Version of the Bible does? ... I do not give a shit what the "common" belief is here on the board but a GOOD[/b] Muslim is on our side. It's the misguided extremists that are FUCKED up. ... Shame on you!
Link Posted: 7/19/2002 12:04:46 AM EST
[Last Edit: 7/19/2002 12:06:56 AM EST by jsinz]
Originally Posted By Winston_Wolf: ... I do not give a shit what the "common" belief is here on the board but a GOOD[/b] Muslim is on our side. It's the misguided extremists that are FUCKED up. ... Shame on you!
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Why does it seem that there are many more examples of "misguided extremmists" claiming to be MUSLIM than there are "misguided extremists" claiming to be CHRISTIAN or just plain NORMAL? The MUSLIM religion seems to attract the nuts and criminals.
Link Posted: 7/19/2002 12:10:20 AM EST
How many people on death row are finding god? (Besides all of them) At least the muslims have an excuse before they hit the big time.
Link Posted: 7/19/2002 12:14:59 AM EST
Originally Posted By jsinz:
Originally Posted By Winston_Wolf: ... I do not give a shit what the "common" belief is here on the board but a GOOD[/b] Muslim is on our side. It's the misguided extremists that are FUCKED up. ... Shame on you!
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Why does it seem that there are many more examples of "misguided extremmists" claiming to be MUSLIM than there are "misguided extremists" claiming to be CHRISTIAN or just plain NORMAL? The MUSLIM religion seems to attract the nuts and criminals.
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... I don't know, but math has nothing to do with it. Or, should I go shoot my neighbor?
Link Posted: 7/19/2002 12:37:15 AM EST
Originally Posted By jsinz:
Originally Posted By Winston_Wolf: ... I do not give a shit what the "common" belief is here on the board but a GOOD[/b] Muslim is on our side. It's the misguided extremists that are FUCKED up. ... Shame on you!
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Why does it seem that there are many more examples of "misguided extremmists" claiming to be MUSLIM than there are "misguided extremists" claiming to be CHRISTIAN or just plain NORMAL? The MUSLIM religion seems to attract the nuts and criminals.
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A few examples: The Spanish Inquisition Northern Ireland The European persecution of non-mainstream branches of Christianity that led to the settlement of the original 13 colonies. Christianity had a headstart. The Muslims are just trying to catch up. Just a thought. Jesus was born to Jewish parents. Christianity is an offshoot of Judaism. The bible and the Torah share roots in the Old Testament. A few centuries later and a ways to the East, Muhamed is born, accepted as a prophet of God and founds another religion called Islam. The bible, the Torah and the Koran share roots in the Old Testament. Islam spreads to include Jesus' old neighborhood replacing Judaism. Those who wouldn't accept the new religion cut out for the four known corners of the Earth at the time. They set up communities in Europe and try to survive by excelling at what they set thier minds to. The locals get pissed at their success and start persecuting them. Hitler comes to power and takes persecution to a whole new level. Because everyone knows he's evil, persecution of Jews isn't politically correct, but the locals still don't want them in their backyard and urge them to go someplace else. They decide to go back to Israel, where they proceed to set up communities bassed on socialist work ethics. The local Muslims tolerate them. However, these relocated europeans decide they want a sovereign nation to call their own and kick out the Palestinians. The British, who happened to be the colonial power in the area, think about it then decide not to worry about it (Like they did in India, Pakistan and Afghanistan). The new Israelis declare independence, although the UN doesn't recognize them. Somewhere along the line, the US throws it's support behind the Israelis--probably because the Soviets were supplying economic and military aid to most of Israels disgruntled neighbors (It's funny to think that the Soviets thought they could get the Muslims to drop their religion and become good communist atheists). So anyway, here we are today trying to solve problems that the British created in the first place.
Link Posted: 7/19/2002 12:45:22 AM EST
Originally Posted By Winston_Wolf:
Originally Posted By jsinz:
Originally Posted By Winston_Wolf: ... I do not give a shit what the "common" belief is here on the board but a GOOD[/b] Muslim is on our side. It's the misguided extremists that are FUCKED up. ... Shame on you!
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Why does it seem that there are many more examples of "misguided extremmists" claiming to be MUSLIM than there are "misguided extremists" claiming to be CHRISTIAN or just plain NORMAL? The MUSLIM religion seems to attract the nuts and criminals.
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... I don't know, but math has nothing to do with it. Or, should I go shoot my neighbor?
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All I'm saying is that religion does not have alot to do with it, unless you might be in the misguided souls club with Israel and Palestine. Bad people are bad, inherently... Religion is generally just an excuse. I myself would move towards the political-sociological idiosyncrasies. That tells the tale much better. Victims of their upbringing and said Soc.-poly abnormalities. That's all
Link Posted: 7/19/2002 2:34:27 AM EST
Post from Badseed -
True.. but this was also said... (I love the hypocrisy of the bible... It's what happens when you construct a volume of word-of-mouth stories)
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No hypocrisy in the Bible at all, especially not in the New Testament. Jesus was simply 'setting things right' for a new and better way of approaching the Father. The Lord hinted throughout the Old Testament that there would be such a new and better way in which to worship Him, and that these dietary laws and ordinances were only for the time being. So, who's being hypocritical? Eric The(Real,HonestToGod)Hun[>]:)]
Link Posted: 7/19/2002 3:06:26 AM EST
[Last Edit: 7/19/2002 3:11:31 AM EST by Badseed]
Originally Posted By EricTheHun: Post from Badseed -
True.. but this was also said... (I love the hypocrisy of the bible... It's what happens when you construct a volume of word-of-mouth stories)
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No hypocrisy in the Bible at all, especially not in the New Testament. Jesus was simply 'setting things right' for a new and better way of approaching the Father. The Lord hinted throughout the Old Testament that there would be such a new and better way in which to worship Him, and that these dietary laws and ordinances were only for the time being. So, who's being hypocritical? Eric The(Real,HonestToGod)Hun[>]:)]
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Well, I find a small fault... I see it as being told that two seperate entities are telling me to do two different things, in a book that tells me what to do. aka: old - vs - new edited to add (I can't leave well enough alone) If god is perfect, why did he/she find it necessary to revise him/herself in the new testament?
Link Posted: 7/19/2002 3:16:10 AM EST
If god is perfect, why did he/she find it necessary to revise him/herself in the new testament?
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Don't forget the Church of Latter Day Saints and the Book of Mormon. I'm not real familiar with it, but doesn't the Church of LDS consider it some kind of follow up to the New Testament?(Talk about dietary laws)
Link Posted: 7/19/2002 3:48:29 AM EST
Originally Posted By Badseed: What if a similar thing happen to any of these christian folk on this board... they would be crying in their (fiction) bibles; and you would never hear the end of it.
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[rolleyes] One day you will believe in the "fiction". BTW, what foods are off limits to Christians? I think The Hun already covered the answer for you.
Link Posted: 7/19/2002 3:52:38 AM EST
G-d is perfect it is our understanding that needs revision. Religion is just man trying to understand G-D. Much of it is convention. THere are many Jewish customs that have been abandoned by jews. Outside of orthodox and a few coservative jews, we eat pork. It is jokingly called 'red chicken'. My wife always says to me, 'you are the only jew I know that does not eat pork'. I tell her it is too greasy for me and I do not want it as a health reason as much as custom. Pork is not as big an issue as morality and how you treat your fellow human. I don't eat pork but am mean and nasty to others is a bigger sin in my eyes. THe muslim is not guilty of breaking the dietary law as it was unknowingly done. Only that if he kept true to his religion he would not have eaten anything there as it came from an unclean kitchen. A jew that keeps kosher will not eat anywhere that is not kosher. There is much more than no pork or meat and dairy. Yes it is mean to not tell him and laugh about it behind his back, that is disrespect. It is the fuel that fires the hatred and anger. Judiasm at it roots is about life and our relation to G-d. You are to act in a manner that is fair and treats all with respect. THe law covers more than not eating pork. It is how we deal with our neighbors, how fair we are. It even covers weights and measures, to ensure that no one is cheated. Someswhere we have lost sight of the truth. If we let our actions show the muslims, that are not involved with the terrorists, anger and hatred, we fuel the fires of hatred. Want it simple...you follow the 10 commandments, read the first 5 books, you are a jew, you can call yourself a Methodist, Muslim, whatever, you are still following the G-d of the Jews and are my brother.
Link Posted: 7/19/2002 3:55:02 AM EST
i love pork..mmmmhh..yummy..
Link Posted: 7/19/2002 3:56:41 AM EST
The Law was pointing people to Christ. It showed man that he cannot be redeemed by his own works and must rely on God for salvation. God does not change. BTW. The only people who say that the bible is a bunch of unrelated stories are those who fail to study it thoroughly. Try it before you criticize it. Your ignorance is showing.
Link Posted: 7/19/2002 5:01:07 AM EST
If your wife watched him put some on his plate and didn't say anything, then yes, that is wrong. However, it is also his responsibility to know what he's eating. This is not a "no-pork" society, so it is silly to assume that everything will be pork-free. Not only that, but he is just plain stupid for thinking that he may go to hell for making an honest mistake where nobody was harmed. As for the rest, I usually stay out of these threads, but what the hell:
Originally Posted By jrzy: Lack of respect? ,i have a deep seated burning desire to feed pork to evey muslim in the world if it will send them to hell. Arab muslims are at the top of the list. I want payback from all arabs so the USA will not ever again be blind sided by them,period. Kill them all and let alah sort em out. And if he ate the pork without knowing it was there then i think the koran lets him off the hook. Hell if it's that easy to shake up muslims lets drop white meat pork to all them starving arabs. And then a week later tell them it was pork.
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You are an ignorant fool. Sorry for the personal attack, but really, that is just plain idiotic. Hypocritical. Do you know that there are muslims on this board? One's that hate those terroristic fuckheads just as much as the next guy? Oh, but they should die, right? Maybe you're right, mein fuhrer. That'll fix the problem. I'm tired of so called freedom loving people spouting off this ignorance filled dribble. I'm tired of listening to this shit. Dune-coon this, towel-head that. Get a fucking mind and think for yourself.
Originally Posted By jsinz: Why does it seem that there are many more examples of "misguided extremmists" claiming to be MUSLIM than there are "misguided extremists" claiming to be CHRISTIAN or just plain NORMAL? The MUSLIM religion seems to attract the nuts and criminals.
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[insert sheep sound here]. It is amazing to me how many supposedly well informed individuals base their world/cultural views on what they are fed by the media. Maybe I'm out of line here, but I'm going to venture a guess that your conclusion is based on shakey sources at best. Whatever. [b]Winston_Wolf[/b], thank you.
Link Posted: 7/19/2002 5:41:00 AM EST
Originally Posted By jsinz:
Originally Posted By Winston_Wolf: ... I do not give a shit what the "common" belief is here on the board but a GOOD[/b] Muslim is on our side. It's the misguided extremists that are FUCKED up. ... Shame on you!
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Why does it seem that there are many more examples of "misguided extremmists" claiming to be MUSLIM than there are "misguided extremists" claiming to be CHRISTIAN or just plain NORMAL? The MUSLIM religion seems to attract the nuts and criminals.
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Well, Islam is a younger religion. Perhaps it's just their turn now?
Link Posted: 7/19/2002 5:42:00 AM EST
Well, looks like he's going to be pissed when he finds himself in hell because he's going there anyway . So he will blame you guys for all eternity ! So don't feel to bad .My sister married a Jewish doctor . He loves pork. As a matter of fact , he has a recipe for pork roast that will knock your socks off ! I guess it's all how you interpret the religion you believe in . To each his own . But if that guy has a problem with what happened , you may merely point out that this is a free and "DIVERSE" (ha ha ) country and he is FREE TO LEAVE ASAP ! I'm sure he would just love to live in a corrupt Muslim nation somewhere ,after all why is he in the USA ?
Link Posted: 7/19/2002 7:18:35 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Chimborazo: Do you know that there are muslims on this board? One's that hate those terroristic fuckheads just as much as the next guy? Oh, but they should die, right? Maybe you're right, mein fuhrer. That'll fix the problem. I'm tired of so called freedom loving people spouting off this ignorance filled dribble. I'm tired of listening to this shit. Dune-coon this, towel-head that. Get a fucking mind and think for yourself.
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HERE! HERE! Im not a muslim but what you said is 100% right!
Link Posted: 7/19/2002 7:25:23 AM EST
Originally Posted By Teltech: . Try it before you criticize it. Your ignorance is showing.
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You know Teltech....I have had fags tell me the same thing......I think that I will decline both of you.
Link Posted: 7/19/2002 9:50:47 AM EST
Originally Posted By ipschoser1:
Originally Posted By Badseed: What if a similar thing happen to any of these christian folk on this board... they would be crying in their (fiction) bibles; and you would never hear the end of it.
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[rolleyes] One day you will believe in the "fiction". BTW, what foods are off limits to Christians? I think The Hun already covered the answer for you.
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Check my post right behind ETH's, and you will answer your own question.
Link Posted: 7/19/2002 10:07:41 AM EST
Originally Posted By Chimborazo: If your wife watched him put some on his plate and didn't say anything, then yes, that is wrong. However, it is also his responsibility to know what he's eating. This is not a "no-pork" society, so it is silly to assume that everything will be pork-free. Not only that, but he is just plain stupid for thinking that he may go to hell for making an honest mistake where nobody was harmed. As for the rest, I usually stay out of these threads, but what the hell:
Originally Posted By jrzy: Lack of respect? ,i have a deep seated burning desire to feed pork to evey muslim in the world if it will send them to hell. Arab muslims are at the top of the list. I want payback from all arabs so the USA will not ever again be blind sided by them,period. Kill them all and let alah sort em out. And if he ate the pork without knowing it was there then i think the koran lets him off the hook. Hell if it's that easy to shake up muslims lets drop white meat pork to all them starving arabs. And then a week later tell them it was pork.
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You are an ignorant fool. Sorry for the personal attack, but really, that is just plain idiotic. Hypocritical. Do you know that there are muslims on this board? One's that hate those terroristic fuckheads just as much as the next guy? Oh, but they should die, right? Maybe you're right, mein fuhrer. That'll fix the problem. I'm tired of so called freedom loving people spouting off this ignorance filled dribble. I'm tired of listening to this shit. Dune-coon this, towel-head that. Get a fucking mind and think for yourself.
Originally Posted By jsinz: Why does it seem that there are many more examples of "misguided extremmists" claiming to be MUSLIM than there are "misguided extremists" claiming to be CHRISTIAN or just plain NORMAL? The MUSLIM religion seems to attract the nuts and criminals.
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[insert sheep sound here]. It is amazing to me how many supposedly well informed individuals base their world/cultural views on what they are fed by the media. Maybe I'm out of line here, but I'm going to venture a guess that your conclusion is based on shakey sources at best. Whatever. [b]Winston_Wolf[/b], thank you.
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WELL SAID!
Link Posted: 7/19/2002 10:35:51 AM EST
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ROTFLMHO...... Good one Sydwaiz. I needed a good laugh. I myself am Half Hawaiian and Pinoy. And if all you other guys on the board don't know yet, alot I mean alot of the traditional Hawaiian and Filipino dishes incorporate some type of pork product(Ever had Chocolate meat Sydwaiz?lol). At least the guy liked the kahlua pig [:P]. But what else can I say all Hawaiian food is ono [:D]. He knew it was he just couldn't help himself[;)] On another related note my sister's boyfriend is also muslim. He sure ate his fair share of pork, when he was at her party on Molokai [:I]. Oh yeah Sydwaiz who did you get cater the party?
Link Posted: 7/19/2002 11:02:47 AM EST
Oh yeah Sydwaiz who did you get cater the party?
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A new Hawaiian restaraunt called "the Loft" in Torrance right across the street from her office supplied most of the food. King's Hawaiian bakery supplied the cake. I supplied the fried rice. My grandparents and my father are from Hawaii but they are Okinawa Japanese. I'm still refered to as "Hapa Haole" though.
Link Posted: 7/19/2002 11:26:04 AM EST
Eric the Hun , you said Here's what our Lord and Savior, Jesus, says about such nonsense as dietary laws: Matthew 15:11 - 'Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.' Now that is wisdom, true wisdom, and the kind that is not found even unto this day! Brother Eric, you are way off point on your interpretation. You are taking that scripture completely out of context. You need to read the scriptures before and after verse 11 to get the proper edification Mat 15:1-2 "Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying, Why do thy disciples TRANSGRESS THE TRADITION OF THE ELDERS? FOR THEY WASH NOT THEIR HANDS WHEN THEY EAT BREAD". The issue here is not the eating of Pork. The issue is the Pharisees establishing thier own righteousness and adding the Torah, which in of itself is perfect (Psalms 19:7). The Pharisees broke the laws in the Torah, but established thier own codes of conduct in order to appear righteous. For Example Mark 7:7-9 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching [for] doctrines the commandments of men. For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the TRADITION OF MEN, [as] the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do. And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God (TORAH), that ye may keep your own tradition. Now back to Mat 15. You quoted only verse 11 " Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man" You need to read down to verses 18-20 "But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man. For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies: These are [the things] which defile a man: BUT TO EAT WITH UNWASHEN HANDS DEFILETH NOT A MAN". Jesus DID NOT do away with the Torah, which include the dietary laws. Mat 5:17-19 Jesus said "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass( Has heaven and earth passed?), one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these LEAST commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. It is a great error, which originates from the "Catholic Church", to believe and teach that the Torah is done away with. If the Torah did not exist, we could not sin. There is no example in the bible of Jesus, the disciples or prophets eating Pork. It just is not there. I leave you with the words of Solomon. Ecc 12:13" Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this [is] the whole [duty] of man. Peace
Link Posted: 7/19/2002 11:29:31 AM EST
Originally Posted By Chimborazo: If your wife watched him put some on his plate and didn't say anything, then yes, that is wrong. However, it is also his responsibility to know what he's eating. This is not a "no-pork" society, so it is silly to assume that everything will be pork-free. Not only that, but he is just plain stupid for thinking that he may go to hell for making an honest mistake where nobody was harmed. As for the rest, I usually stay out of these threads, but what the hell:
Originally Posted By jrzy: Lack of respect? ,i have a deep seated burning desire to feed pork to evey muslim in the world if it will send them to hell. Arab muslims are at the top of the list. I want payback from all arabs so the USA will not ever again be blind sided by them,period. Kill them all and let alah sort em out. And if he ate the pork without knowing it was there then i think the koran lets him off the hook. Hell if it's that easy to shake up muslims lets drop white meat pork to all them starving arabs. And then a week later tell them it was pork.
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You are an ignorant fool. Sorry for the personal attack, but really, that is just plain idiotic. Hypocritical. Do you know that there are muslims on this board? One's that hate those terroristic fuckheads just as much as the next guy? Oh, but they should die, right? Maybe you're right, mein fuhrer. That'll fix the problem. I'm tired of so called freedom loving people spouting off this ignorance filled dribble. I'm tired of listening to this shit. Dune-coon this, towel-head that. Get a fucking mind and think for yourself.
Originally Posted By jsinz: Why does it seem that there are many more examples of "misguided extremmists" claiming to be MUSLIM than there are "misguided extremists" claiming to be CHRISTIAN or just plain NORMAL? The MUSLIM religion seems to attract the nuts and criminals.
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[insert sheep sound here]. It is amazing to me how many supposedly well informed individuals base their world/cultural views on what they are fed by the media. Maybe I'm out of line here, but I'm going to venture a guess that your conclusion is based on shakey sources at best. Whatever. [b]Winston_Wolf[/b], thank you.
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I would like to thank you for correcting this ignorant fool. I was wondering how long I would have to listen to this before someone said something. I personally believe anyone who harms innocent people, not just terrorists, deserves to be stuffed in a sack and thrown off a cliff (see http://ar15.com/forums/topic.html?id=133468). I am a Muslim and also an American (born and raised in N.Y.C.). It makes me sick that even today there are people who still believe that all Muslims are responsible for the horrible events of 9/11/01. I don't care what you are but every race/religion has some good people and some bad people. Those people who blame everyone for the actions of a handful of people need to grow up. The world is f#cked up because of people like you.
Link Posted: 7/19/2002 1:23:54 PM EST
GCEE33, You are Waaaaaaaaaaay off base sir. When Christ died on the cross, the veil of the temple was torn in two from the top to the bottom, God did it. That signified the end of the Mosaic Law. Christ was the only one to live perfectly under the law and fulfilled his role as the perfect sacrifice for all, for all time. And to follow along with your reasoning, to show the fault in it, you would still have to be a Jew to live according to the Law of Moses. Either all is still in effect or none of it sir. And if you are confused, then read the book of Acts and see that God made clean the Gentiles and showed Peter this very thing in a vision. So, I commend that you study sir, but someone has led you astray from Christ by insisting on keeping the traditions of Moses. They and the burdens of the law, which none might have supported save Christ, are no more. Christ bore them for us all, and that perfectly. Dram out.
Link Posted: 7/19/2002 1:34:41 PM EST
Sydwaiz, I've eaten at The Loft many times. I usually go to the one in Cerritos. Ever try their Island Style Friend Chicken? I usually order the beef kalbi. Have you been to Bruddha's{sp} yet in Gardena? I think there is a gun shop next to them too (Ambrosie Arms?).
Link Posted: 7/20/2002 7:30:48 AM EST
Originally Posted By Dramborleg: GCEE33, You are Waaaaaaaaaaay off base sir. When Christ died on the cross, the veil of the temple was torn in two from the top to the bottom, God did it. That signified the end of the Mosaic Law. Christ was the only one to live perfectly under the law and fulfilled his role as the perfect sacrifice for all, for all time. And to follow along with your reasoning, to show the fault in it, you would still have to be a Jew to live according to the Law of Moses. Either all is still in effect or none of it sir. And if you are confused, then read the book of Acts and see that God made clean the Gentiles and showed Peter this very thing in a vision. So, I commend that you study sir, but someone has led you astray from Christ by insisting on keeping the traditions of Moses. They and the burdens of the law, which none might have supported save Christ, are no more. Christ bore them for us all, and that perfectly. Dram out.
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Greetings. I beg do differ with you. With your comment on "someone led you astray from Christ by insisting on keeping the traditions of Moses", Sir do you realize that the philosophy you are expounding on is straight from the Council of Nicea. It in Gentile Dogma at its best. I take no offense to your opinion personally, but it strikes me odd that anyone who studies the Torah, Prophets, Gospels, and Apostles could come to your conclusion , without "The Church" telling them so. Did you spend any time( I'm not assuming you did not) studying on your own? Or are you a product of attending Sunday churches and believing everything you are told? Brother I would love to carry on this theological discussion with you, but we must prove all things( 1Thes 5:21) according to the scripture. Please re-read my post and refute what i wrote WITH SCRIPTURE. I mean, what do you see when Christ said " Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven". Also Sir, do you adhere to the interpretation of Eric the hun, on Mat 15? I showed very clearly, WITH SCRIPTURE, that within the context, the matter is not eating unclean foods, but the Pharisees establishing their own traditions and customs, which lay outside the bounds of the Torah. Feel free to re-read the original post and comment. I also have a couple of questions for you. Do you feel you are under the New Covenant? Will the laws be kept in the Kingdom of God? What is Sin? i leave you with the words of Christ, Peace be unto you.
Link Posted: 7/20/2002 7:48:23 AM EST
It's his own damn fault, but laughing about it -- and acting as if "tricking" the guy into eating pork was something to be proud of -- is pretty shallow and callous. Shit, you actually think that was something to [i]brag[/i] about? Pathetic.
Link Posted: 7/20/2002 9:45:49 AM EST
[/quote]Originally Posted By GCEE33: Greetings. I beg do differ with you. With your comment on "someone led you astray from Christ by insisting on keeping the traditions of Moses", Sir do you realize that the philosophy you are expounding on is straight from the Council of Nicea. It in Gentile Dogma at its best. I take no offense to your opinion personally, but it strikes me odd that anyone who studies the Torah, Prophets, Gospels, and Apostles could come to your conclusion , without "The Church" telling them so. Did you spend any time( I'm not assuming you did not) studying on your own? Or are you a product of attending Sunday churches and believing everything you are told? Brother I would love to carry on this theological discussion with you, but we must prove all things( 1Thes 5:21) according to the scripture. Please re-read my post and refute what i wrote WITH SCRIPTURE. I mean, what do you see when Christ said " Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven". Also Sir, do you adhere to the interpretation of Eric the hun, on Mat 15? I showed very clearly, WITH SCRIPTURE, that within the context, the matter is not eating unclean foods, but the Pharisees establishing their own traditions and customs, which lay outside the bounds of the Torah. Feel free to re-read the original post and comment. I also have a couple of questions for you. Do you feel you are under the New Covenant? Will the laws be kept in the Kingdom of God? What is Sin? i leave you with the words of Christ, Peace be unto you.[/quote] Galatians 3:17 What I am saying is this: the Law which came four hundred and thirty years later, does not invalidate a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to nullify the promise. For if the inheritance is based on law, it is no longer based on a promise; but God has granted it to Abraham by means of a promise. Why the Law then? It was added because of transgressions, having been ordained through angels by the agency of a mediator, until the seed should come to whom the promise had been made. Now a mediator is not for one party only; whereas God is only one. Is the Law then contrary to the promises of God? May it never be! For if a law had been given which was able to impart life, then righteousness would indeed have been based on law.
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 9:14:47 AM EST
Originally Posted By ar10er: Galatians 3:17 What I am saying is this: the Law which came four hundred and thirty years later, does not invalidate a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to nullify the promise. For if the inheritance is based on law, it is no longer based on a promise; but God has granted it to Abraham by means of a promise. Why the Law then? It was added because of transgressions, having been ordained through angels by the agency of a mediator, until the seed should come to whom the promise had been made. Now a mediator is not for one party only; whereas God is only one. Is the Law then contrary to the promises of God? May it never be! For if a law had been given which was able to impart life, then righteousness would indeed have been based on law.
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I love galatians 3. let me just add verse 24 - For the law was our schoolmaster to bring us to Christ. But now that faith (in Christ) is come, we are no longer under the schoolmaster.
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 9:31:29 AM EST
Originally Posted By RBAD: Good Job... Next, 'ya gotta do some of the "72 virgins" ! [:D]
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