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Posted: 9/7/2004 5:55:22 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/7/2004 5:59:40 PM EST by BigJ491]
Well, I got in trouble at work today for emailing a picture of my AR15 to a coworker. A buddy of mine and I have gone shooting before, and we're both avid shooters. We were emailing back and forth at work today about going shooting again in the near future. I couldn't remember if I had told him about my new AR15 that I had bought and emailed him a picture of it. Turns out, that while he was reading my email, his boss happened by and saw the picture on his screen. His boss asked him who it was from and he told him that it was from me and it was my new rifle. We're both in the same department, but work in different buildings. His boss is also an avid shooter, and almost went shooting with us last time. His boss told him that it's probably not a good idea to be emailing pictures of guns at work and told him to give me a call and let me know to knock it off. Our companies policy allows us to send personal emails, attachments, and even use the internet for personal use, as long as it does not interfere with our productivity. I'm very careful not to violate company policies, as they have a habbit of shit-canning people for small infractions, and our department just so happens to be the department that investigates all of the companies employees.

About an hour later, my buddy gives me a call to let me know what his boss said, and that we probably shouldn't send stuff like that in email. We both understand that it's not a violation of policy to do so, but in the attempt to "appease" the powers that be, we decided that we would restict our firearms emails to our non-work emails.

An hour after that, my boss comes over to my desk and tell me to turn my phone off because we need to talk. I know what's up and know that I didn't violate any policy, so I immediately ask him if it was about the email. He says yes and asked how I knew. I told him about the phone call from my buddy, and that I know it probably wasn't the smartest thing to do. Turns out that my buddies boss called the director of security for our company, my boss's boss, and told him about the email. As luck would have it, the director of security calls my boss and lays into him about the email and how irresponsible it was and how he needs to sit me down and have a talk with me.

Side note: Yesterday, my boss asked me what the number was to the local gun range, cause he wanted to take his son shooting. I showed him their website, and he was all kinds of excited.

Long story short, my boss tells me that I can't be sending emails like that. I then asked him if I had violated a company policy and he said "No, but you shouldn't be doing that." WTF, Over? I love it how my boss never goes to bat for us...really makes for great morale in the work place.

So, I'm on the rocks now for not violating a company policy.
Link Posted: 9/7/2004 5:58:06 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/7/2004 5:58:44 PM EST
Silence and Discretion is golden at work.
Link Posted: 9/7/2004 5:58:46 PM EST
Well at least your company is now safer since your "Security Team" leaped into action and put a stop to your nonsense. Luckly no children were hurt by your email. Consider yourself fortunate.
Link Posted: 9/7/2004 6:00:27 PM EST
Mayhaps you're on the the rocks for fucking off too much.
Link Posted: 9/7/2004 6:01:30 PM EST
Typical boss.
He's just looking out for his own ass.
Link Posted: 9/7/2004 6:02:40 PM EST
What a pile of poop. There's no harm in sending a picture of a gun. In my mind it's like getting in trouble for sending a picture of any new item you brought for a hobby. You can cut people to pieces with a chainsaw, but would you get in trouble sending a picture of you posing with a new chainsaw at work?



Link Posted: 9/7/2004 6:03:51 PM EST

Originally Posted By AR-10:
Mayhaps you're on the the rocks for fucking off too much.



I wish, that would make more sense. I get rave reviews for my performance, so I know it's not that.
Link Posted: 9/7/2004 6:06:37 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/7/2004 6:07:03 PM EST by smokycity]
My guess would be that it was very un-PC to send a picture of an Evil Black Rifle. I mean my gawd man, it might leap of the screen and start shooting itself. You know how those disgruntled e-mails are.
Link Posted: 9/7/2004 6:07:11 PM EST
dude your a pansy, I wouldnt have been so cooperative.
Link Posted: 9/7/2004 6:11:09 PM EST


We live in a world where perception is FAR more important than ACTIONS. We live in a world where what you MIGHT do or THINK is something to fear.

It sickens and disgusts me that people in our so-called "civilization" now run in fear of IMAGES of inanimate objects like some jungle savage and justify it as "just acting to be on the safe side."
Link Posted: 9/7/2004 6:11:20 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/7/2004 6:11:44 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/7/2004 6:11:48 PM EST
Wait, you have a job in ohio?
According to Kerry there are none of those.

Conflicting stories, i am confused.
Link Posted: 9/7/2004 6:13:41 PM EST
When ever a coworker wants to see a pic of one of my gun projects, I always load it on a floppy and show it to them that way. The disk goes back home with me.
Link Posted: 9/7/2004 6:13:50 PM EST
When you got home, was your dog alive?
Link Posted: 9/7/2004 6:17:34 PM EST

Originally Posted By nilatS:
Wait, you have a job in ohio?
According to Kerry there are none of those.

Conflicting stories, i am confused.




Link Posted: 9/7/2004 6:20:51 PM EST
You work for Bill Lumbergh? Who gets it?
Link Posted: 9/7/2004 6:21:53 PM EST
And this is why I hate thwe corporate enviroment and going back in the military
Link Posted: 9/7/2004 6:23:14 PM EST

Originally Posted By repub18:

Originally Posted By nilatS:
Wait, you have a job in ohio?
According to Kerry there are none of those.

Conflicting stories, i am confused.








+1

i have a job in ohio too--amazing
Link Posted: 9/7/2004 6:24:57 PM EST
wow - we bring guns to work and we don't get into that much trouble. Didn't even get into trouble when we compared AR15 parts at the workbench... It was kind of funny when the Canuck consultants jumped a foot into the air when he dropped the bolt on an empty chamber.

It is neat playing grownup show and tell at work.

Our IT guy asks me gun questions, like problems with a 30-03 lever action or broken 25 acp firing pins and stuff like that.
Link Posted: 9/7/2004 6:26:48 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/7/2004 6:27:54 PM EST
I would have come back from lunch with full magazines and unloaded on the office
Link Posted: 9/7/2004 6:30:22 PM EST
Keep your work life and your outside life separate.

You'll survive longer in the world of work that way.

Your boss is not your friend, he is your boss.

Your co-workers are competition when it comes time for promotion or even job retention at layoff time. Any leverage or bad stuff they all can use against anybody else, in order to further their own gains, is considered fair game, and they'll smile while they're stickin' it to ya.

I don't work outside the home now, but I used to see a lot of bizarre corporate backstabbing at companies I used to work at.....
Link Posted: 9/7/2004 6:30:29 PM EST
Was the AR15 a post-ban? If not, then wait until the 14th and then continue your e-mails.

CW
Link Posted: 9/7/2004 6:30:31 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/7/2004 6:32:25 PM EST by Alien]

Originally Posted By repub18:

Originally Posted By nilatS:
Wait, you have a job in ohio?
According to Kerry there are none of those.

Conflicting stories, i am confused.







I too had a job in Ohio once. Then I lost it because of GWB! Makes me glad I've lived in Phoenix, AZ all my life.

On topic though, that's pretty lame. They know I look at this kind of stuff at work. They've never said anything to me about it except for when I was on AR15 a lot because there wasn't any work. I must be doing something right though, because I'm the longest they've had a single receptionist however.
Link Posted: 9/7/2004 6:31:37 PM EST

Originally Posted By twonami:
I would have come back from lunch with full magazines and unloaded on the office



People like you mysteriously come out of the woodwork every time a gun law comes up for a vote.....
Link Posted: 9/7/2004 6:31:40 PM EST
your "boss" is a spineless asshat.

if you didn't violate any COC, take him to HR or a lawyer for harassment!

make sure you have hard copies of all your good reviews and any coc they have.

my 0.01 worth
Link Posted: 9/7/2004 6:33:00 PM EST
was the serial number showing?
Is your workplace very secure?
How easy would it be for someone else to intercept and read your emails back and forth?
Is there anyone there that is anti gun?


Its Probably bull but I know I was taught growing up not to brag about what kind of guns I have. to anyone. At least not in public. And only in privacy to someone I know beyond a doubt that I can trust.
Link Posted: 9/7/2004 6:35:19 PM EST
I agree that this incident was an effort to prevent some dim wit liberal from seeing a picture of a gun on a screen and wetting their pants. Hey wait. Isn't it liberal Hollywood that makes ultra violent movies that include pictures of guns on screen? I guess guns are OK if you're making a buck off them.

In some circles, pictures of real guns are probably reviled as much as kiddy porn.

Any restrictions on artwork at the office? Maybe you should hang a poster from Heat or Blackhawk Down and wait for the PC police to come-a-running.

Link Posted: 9/7/2004 6:36:40 PM EST
sorry to say but your friend is a snitch....he should've just said his uncle mailed him that, he's sorry and he didn't know that the email had that.........case closed
Link Posted: 9/7/2004 6:40:33 PM EST

Originally Posted By 7point62_AssAssin:
sorry to say but your friend is a snitch....he should've just said his uncle mailed him that, he's sorry and he didn't know that the email had that.........case closed



I agree. Talk about a rollover at work. Your buddy is no buddy. Watch you six!

Link Posted: 9/7/2004 6:43:27 PM EST

Originally Posted By shotar:
Perhaps its because he does not want someone walking by who is not sympathetic to see it and raise a stink thereby creating a policy where there was not one before. Your boss, the other boss, and the security boss are using common sense of a fashion that could have well been used to head off gun controls to start with. The fact is if you don't openly do stuff that won't be offensive then you won't have to worry about a policy being made. Does your company have a policy about married employees screwing in the office? I would doubt it. Why? Because they don't do it where others might see it, but it does happen. Discretion is the better part of valor and your boss was really looking out for you whether you understand it or not.



The company has very strict gun policies. I definitely understand discrestion, and yes, it wasn't the smartest thing to do. I guess what really chapped my ass was how they dealt with it.

People wondering into our offices is nothing to worry about. Our areas are very tightly controlled because of the nature of our work. People in my office are all gun friendly shooters, and the same for my buddies. However, I do understand that there is a time and place for certain things and this probably wasn't it.

The problem I have is that they allow for grey areas, yet failed to address this in a rational manner, knowing full well that it was a grey area.
Link Posted: 9/7/2004 6:53:19 PM EST

Originally Posted By Captain_Picard:

Originally Posted By 7point62_AssAssin:
sorry to say but your friend is a snitch....he should've just said his uncle mailed him that, he's sorry and he didn't know that the email had that.........case closed



I agree. Talk about a rollover at work. Your buddy is no buddy. Watch you six!




No, not the case at all. If he would have clammed up about it, they would have probably investigated the emails and tracked it back to me before lunch was over. We've all singed the agreements and company emails aren't protected materials. We can all be fired for not tying our shoes the right way.
Link Posted: 9/7/2004 7:07:01 PM EST

Originally Posted By BigJ491:

Originally Posted By Captain_Picard:

Originally Posted By 7point62_AssAssin:
sorry to say but your friend is a snitch....he should've just said his uncle mailed him that, he's sorry and he didn't know that the email had that.........case closed



I agree. Talk about a rollover at work. Your buddy is no buddy. Watch you six!




No, not the case at all. If he would have clammed up about it, they would have probably investigated the emails and tracked it back to me before lunch was over. We've all singed the agreements and company emails aren't protected materials. We can all be fired for not tying our shoes the right way.



Sounds like a great place to work.
Link Posted: 9/7/2004 7:10:04 PM EST

Originally Posted By BigJ491:

Originally Posted By Captain_Picard:

Originally Posted By 7point62_AssAssin:
sorry to say but your friend is a snitch....he should've just said his uncle mailed him that, he's sorry and he didn't know that the email had that.........case closed



I agree. Talk about a rollover at work. Your buddy is no buddy. Watch you six!




No, not the case at all. If he would have clammed up about it, they would have probably investigated the emails and tracked it back to me before lunch was over. We've all singed the agreements and company emails aren't protected materials. We can all be fired for not tying our shoes the right way.



Damn! Who do you work for? A lot of people there developing ulcers? Hope the Gulag pays well enough to make up for the loss of your soul.

Link Posted: 9/7/2004 7:11:06 PM EST

Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
You work for Bill Lumbergh? Who gets it?





Exactly what I was envisioning.


"Ah...Peter. About your TPS reports..."
Link Posted: 9/7/2004 7:20:03 PM EST
If the company owns the email system, the network and computers, they can tell you to keep your gun pictures to yourself.
Link Posted: 9/7/2004 7:25:09 PM EST
Thats why i am my own boss. Fucking idiots!
Link Posted: 9/7/2004 7:57:09 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/7/2004 8:52:40 PM EST by Rip_Roarin_Wacko]
I have a couple of hundred M-16's just down the hallway from me. And people that take them out and walk around with them on occasion. I wonder if the boss (Major General) who's just up stairs, needs to know about this? Oddly enough, none of the several hundred people that work in the building seem too concerned about it.

Use this picture as your screen saver and tell them you just want to use it for evil rifle identification practice, so you can alert them if you see anything suspicious. Tell 'em I said it was okay.

Link Posted: 9/7/2004 8:50:23 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/7/2004 8:51:41 PM EST by HKgnnr]
I hang my range targets at work (only the good ones ) - hand out gun mags/flyers - have fireside chats over my CDR photos of the range time, etc.

Even pulled two 'closet' gunowners outta the woodwork and got them to openly admit they 'gasp' enjoy shooting. One of the fellas I'd say I even created a monster - applied for his C&R, got his pistol permit and signed up with CMP.

Its now common knowledge, I'm the 'gun nut', married to another 'gun nut' and raising a lil' gun nut too. The lib in the office (only one) - well, she shakes her head, grumbles at me and simply says 'be safe'. Now that she's living in the country, 5 minutes drive from her nearest neighbor - I think we can swing her into owning somesort of critter (biped or otherwise) control piece. Hearts and minds campaign in full swing.

Could it be thrown back in my face by a superior someday - sure, but I'm not to the point I'm going to hide my lifestyle. Theres no doubt where I stand on the issue, and they can ultimately kiss my union due paying ass if they have a problem with it.

I wouldnt worry too much about it BigJ - seems like they just had to cover their ass through the 'reporting' process.....and on the next 'dress down day' - get yer'self a LifeLibertyetc. Molon Labe shirt
Link Posted: 9/7/2004 10:08:26 PM EST
Well, of COURSE they have to act like that.

When you go "postal" and shoot up the place, they can all stare into the television and proclaim how you were a "gun nut" on the edge and that you had sent "violent images" in email before, but that they had warned you and that you stopped.

Apparently, the evil images finally took over and you just snapped!

Shame on you.
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 2:07:49 AM EST

Originally Posted By 95thFoot:
Keep your work life and your outside life separate.

You'll survive longer in the world of work that way.

Your boss is not your friend, he is your boss.

Your co-workers are competition when it comes time for promotion or even job retention at layoff time. Any leverage or bad stuff they all can use against anybody else, in order to further their own gains, is considered fair game, and they'll smile while they're stickin' it to ya.

I don't work outside the home now, but I used to see a lot of bizarre corporate backstabbing at companies I used to work at.....



+1
Shooting is too controversial to bring up in a corporate environment, IMO. Adopt a bland, plastic and vaguely "positive" persona to wear around the office and keep the personal chit-chat focused on things like family and home improvements.
Co-workers are competition and the environment is owned by the company.
Take it from me, I was laid-off in a RIF earlier this year and alot of the backstabbing which finally got back to me as I've been networking has been an eye-opener.
YMMV
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 2:27:48 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/8/2004 2:28:30 AM EST by kindstranger]
1. Watch Office Space.

2. Think about this incident.

3. Repeat as necessary

Soon, this kind of thing will make sense.
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 2:32:38 AM EST
These people are all asshats.

None of them is your friend.

Now you know, just get on with your life.
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 2:42:12 AM EST
Shit allways rolls downhill.
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 3:11:37 AM EST
Password protected .zip files, and self-extracting PGP archives are made for sharing gun porn.

That's what I do.
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 3:26:08 AM EST
Photos of AR-15's are dangerous. They can go off spraying bullets off the hip at any time, with more thrusts per squeeze. They must be banned for the children.
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 3:28:02 AM EST

Originally Posted By 95thFoot:

Originally Posted By twonami:
I would have come back from lunch with full magazines and unloaded on the office



People like you mysteriously come out of the woodwork every time a gun law comes up for a vote.....


never worked at a post office either
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