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Posted: 12/15/2011 6:01:03 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/15/2011 6:02:23 PM EDT
I bought this scope mount to use on this cheap old bushmaster postban hbar.

My friend and I are gonna do a cheap and old versus expensive and new test.
Link Posted: 12/15/2011 6:03:54 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/15/2011 6:08:04 PM EDT
Ok.........
Link Posted: 12/15/2011 6:11:18 PM EDT
Originally Posted By patchouli:
I bought this scope mount to use on this cheap old bushmaster postban hbar.

My friend and I are gonna do a cheap and old versus expensive and new test.


What sort of tests are you going to do? Try this one.:

1. Zero the scopes on their respective rifles.
2. Shoot 10 shot groups with both rifles.
3. Swap scopes and sight them in on the new rifles and write down the W&E adjustments.
4. Shoot 10 shot groups with both rifles.
5. Swap scopes back to original rifles. Turn turrets back to zero from step 1.
6. Shoot 10 shot groups with both rifles.
7. Swap scopes again. Turn turrets to W&E from step 3.
8. Shoot 10 shot groups with both rifles.
Link Posted: 12/15/2011 6:14:45 PM EDT
Well ok then
Link Posted: 12/15/2011 6:15:25 PM EDT
Originally Posted By sd_norske:
Originally Posted By patchouli:
I bought this scope mount to use on this cheap old bushmaster postban hbar.

My friend and I are gonna do a cheap and old versus expensive and new test.


What sort of tests are you going to do? Try this one.:

1. Zero the scopes on their respective rifles.
2. Shoot 10 shot groups with both rifles.
3. Swap scopes and sight them in on the new rifles and write down the W&E adjustments.
4. Shoot 10 shot groups with both rifles.
5. Swap scopes back to original rifles. Turn turrets back to zero from step 1.
6. Shoot 10 shot groups with both rifles.
7. Swap scopes again. Turn turrets to W&E from step 3.
8. Shoot 10 shot groups with both rifles.


Yeah we will do something like that.

It will be hard to get meaningful results , but will be fun

Link Posted: 12/15/2011 6:16:53 PM EDT
in before the dildos
Link Posted: 12/15/2011 6:17:28 PM EDT
No Dillo?

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Link Posted: 12/15/2011 6:20:34 PM EDT
LOOK AT ME EVERYONE!
Link Posted: 12/15/2011 6:22:44 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/15/2011 6:23:41 PM EDT
Bushy upper. Rra lower.
Link Posted: 12/15/2011 6:23:47 PM EDT
Dillo's are a gift. Appreciate them when you get them. Don't complain when you don't.
Link Posted: 12/15/2011 6:25:01 PM EDT
The scope is also a bottle opener. Sheesh.
Link Posted: 12/15/2011 6:26:41 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Tigers1363:
Dillo's are a gift. Appreciate them when you get them. Don't complain when you don't.



Yeah, well.....

Since that is not a LaRue mount.... I wasn't expecting a "dillo" bottle opener.
Link Posted: 12/15/2011 6:35:41 PM EDT

Originally Posted By patchouli:
Originally Posted By Tigers1363:
Dillo's are a gift. Appreciate them when you get them. Don't complain when you don't.



Yeah, well.....

Since that is not a LaRue mount.... I wasn't expecting a "dillo" bottle opener.
Then I stand corrected.

Link Posted: 12/15/2011 6:37:19 PM EDT
Patch, this thread is retarded.

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Link Posted: 12/15/2011 6:39:36 PM EDT
three posts for 2 sentences and 2 pictures. Have you been drinking, hippy?
Link Posted: 12/15/2011 6:40:13 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Cole2534:
Patch, this thread is retarded.

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Here, Here!!!

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Link Posted: 12/15/2011 6:41:33 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Cole2534:
Patch, this thread is retarded.

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Thanks.


I guess all the "hey I DID get a free bottle opener with my 300$ scope mount" threads are cooler.



Link Posted: 12/15/2011 6:44:23 PM EDT
Originally Posted By patchouli:
Originally Posted By Cole2534:
Patch, this thread is retarded.

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Thanks.


I guess all the "hey I DID get a free bottle opener with my 300$ scope mount" threads are cooler.





No, those are also retarded and borderline homosexual.

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Link Posted: 12/16/2011 6:11:44 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Cole2534:
Originally Posted By patchouli:
Originally Posted By Cole2534:
Patch, this thread is retarded.

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Thanks.


I guess all the "hey I DID get a free bottle opener with my 300$ scope mount" threads are cooler.





No, those are also retarded and borderline homosexual.

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Lol. Okay at least we agree on that.


Link Posted: 12/16/2011 6:16:23 AM EDT
Originally Posted By patchouli:
Originally Posted By Cole2534:
Originally Posted By patchouli:
Originally Posted By Cole2534:
Patch, this thread is retarded.

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Thanks.


I guess all the "hey I DID get a free bottle opener with my 300$ scope mount" threads are cooler.





No, those are also retarded and borderline homosexual.

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Lol. Okay at least we agree on that.




The LaRue Kool aid drinkers are weird bunch.
Link Posted: 12/16/2011 6:18:41 AM EDT


Really...
Link Posted: 12/16/2011 6:21:16 AM EDT
Originally Posted By CWS1911:
Originally Posted By patchouli:
Originally Posted By Cole2534:
Originally Posted By patchouli:
Originally Posted By Cole2534:
Patch, this thread is retarded.

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Thanks.


I guess all the "hey I DID get a free bottle opener with my 300$ scope mount" threads are cooler.





No, those are also retarded and borderline homosexual.

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Lol. Okay at least we agree on that.




The LaRue Kool aid drinkers are weird bunch.


Don't lie. You would chug that Kool-Aid if you could afford it.
Link Posted: 12/16/2011 6:21:34 AM EDT
You also did not get a flash-hider ............. WA a ban state?????
Link Posted: 12/16/2011 6:23:17 AM EDT
Oh yeah, really.


I know. I am pissed too.

A solid mount, with 20moa cant, for 80 dollars and NO free bottle opener.
Link Posted: 12/16/2011 6:25:14 AM EDT
Originally Posted By drfcolt:
You also did not get a flash-hider ............. WA a ban state?????


No, I bought that upper cheap-o after the ban. I have other ar's.
But I am gonna use this one in a test using cheap, not cool stuff against a more expensive upper with all the latest gizmos.

Link Posted: 12/16/2011 6:26:15 AM EDT
Originally Posted By TrojanMan:
Originally Posted By CWS1911:
Originally Posted By patchouli:
Originally Posted By Cole2534:
Originally Posted By patchouli:
Originally Posted By Cole2534:
Patch, this thread is retarded.

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Thanks.


I guess all the "hey I DID get a free bottle opener with my 300$ scope mount" threads are cooler.





No, those are also retarded and borderline homosexual.

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Lol. Okay at least we agree on that.




The LaRue Kool aid drinkers are weird bunch.


Don't lie. You would chug that Kool-Aid if you could afford it.


If you say so..
Link Posted: 12/16/2011 6:27:36 AM EDT
Originally Posted By TrojanMan:
Originally Posted By CWS1911:
Originally Posted By patchouli:
Originally Posted By Cole2534:
Originally Posted By patchouli:
Originally Posted By Cole2534:
Patch, this thread is retarded.

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Thanks.


I guess all the "hey I DID get a free bottle opener with my 300$ scope mount" threads are cooler.





No, those are also retarded and borderline homosexual.

Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile



Lol. Okay at least we agree on that.




The LaRue Kool aid drinkers are weird bunch.


Don't lie. You would chug that Kool-Aid if you could afford it.


It's good Kool Aid, and a good product, but some of these guys take it a little far.
Link Posted: 12/16/2011 7:17:03 AM EDT
Originally Posted By patchouli:
Originally Posted By sd_norske:
Originally Posted By patchouli:
I bought this scope mount to use on this cheap old bushmaster postban hbar.

My friend and I are gonna do a cheap and old versus expensive and new test.


What sort of tests are you going to do? Try this one.:

1. Zero the scopes on their respective rifles.
2. Shoot 10 shot groups with both rifles.
3. Swap scopes and sight them in on the new rifles and write down the W&E adjustments.
4. Shoot 10 shot groups with both rifles.
5. Swap scopes back to original rifles. Turn turrets back to zero from step 1.
6. Shoot 10 shot groups with both rifles.
7. Swap scopes again. Turn turrets to W&E from step 3.
8. Shoot 10 shot groups with both rifles.


Yeah we will do something like that.

It will be hard to get meaningful results , but will be fun



You'll get meaningful results. One of your mounts will hold zero, I'm not so sure about the other one.
Link Posted: 12/16/2011 7:20:09 AM EDT
Originally Posted By patchouli:
I bought this scope mount to use on this cheap old bushmaster postban hbar.

My friend and I are gonna do a cheap and old versus expensive and new test.


IN.

Link Posted: 12/16/2011 7:23:12 AM EDT
Originally Posted By sd_norske:
Originally Posted By patchouli:
Originally Posted By sd_norske:
Originally Posted By patchouli:
I bought this scope mount to use on this cheap old bushmaster postban hbar.

My friend and I are gonna do a cheap and old versus expensive and new test.


What sort of tests are you going to do? Try this one.:

1. Zero the scopes on their respective rifles.
2. Shoot 10 shot groups with both rifles.
3. Swap scopes and sight them in on the new rifles and write down the W&E adjustments.
4. Shoot 10 shot groups with both rifles.
5. Swap scopes back to original rifles. Turn turrets back to zero from step 1.
6. Shoot 10 shot groups with both rifles.
7. Swap scopes again. Turn turrets to W&E from step 3.
8. Shoot 10 shot groups with both rifles.


Yeah we will do something like that.

It will be hard to get meaningful results , but will be fun



You'll get meaningful results. One of your mounts will hold zero, I'm not so sure about the other one.




That is one aspect of the test.

But honestly, how many of you have even removed your scopes since you first attached them and initially tested their repeatability?


Link Posted: 12/16/2011 7:25:01 AM EDT
Originally Posted By patchouli:

But honestly, how many of you have even removed your scopes since you first attached them and initially tested their repeatability?



I've never done a dedicated test, but I have removed an ACOG from a rifle, replaced it, and it shot satisfactorily.

Not scientific, but it rang the gong.
Link Posted: 12/16/2011 7:46:52 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Cole2534:
Originally Posted By patchouli:

But honestly, how many of you have even removed your scopes since you first attached them and initially tested their repeatability?

I've never done a dedicated test, but I have removed an ACOG from a rifle, replaced it, and it shot satisfactorily.

Not scientific, but it rang the gong.

Similar results here with an Armalite mount and a Burris Fullfield II 3-9X scope.

POI might shift a little, but not very much.

Make sure you re-mount in the same position.
Link Posted: 12/16/2011 8:20:24 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/16/2011 8:21:25 AM EDT by Cole2534]
Originally Posted By TerribleTom:

Originally Posted By Cole2534:
Originally Posted By patchouli:

But honestly, how many of you have even removed your scopes since you first attached them and initially tested their repeatability?

I've never done a dedicated test, but I have removed an ACOG from a rifle, replaced it, and it shot satisfactorily.

Not scientific, but it rang the gong.

Similar results here with an Armalite mount and a Burris Fullfield II 3-9X scope.

POI might shift a little, but not very much.

Make sure you re-mount in the same position.


Exactly. Repeatability doesn't mean things don't move, it means things move the same under similar conditions.

A Larue mount's success comes from 2 primary things-
1) It's solidly built from good material. This reduces flex or distortion of the mount under varying conditions.
2) The cam mechanism makes it very easy to put a consistent clamping force on the mounting surface, the picatinny rail. IMO, this is the most important thing.

A good pair of scope rings will be every bit as accurate and repeatable as an LT mount If you install it in the same location and apply the same clamping force; this is why all the precision rifle shooters have special little torque wrenches.

However, this is not quick, and that's where the LT shines like a diamond in goat's ass.

Every material deflects under every load, how you manage this deflection is what matters.

Edit- gall damn, I went and got all technical in GD, hope I don't get banned.
Link Posted: 12/16/2011 8:21:52 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Cole2534:
Originally Posted By patchouli:
Originally Posted By Cole2534:
Patch, this thread is retarded.

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Thanks.


I guess all the "hey I DID get a free bottle opener with my 300$ scope mount" threads are cooler.





No, those are also retarded and borderline homosexual.

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Someone forgot the paper plate...
Link Posted: 12/16/2011 8:24:56 AM EDT
Screw the bottle opener...a camera that takes better pictures is what you need!

Link Posted: 12/16/2011 8:49:49 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/16/2011 8:54:26 AM EDT by 1IV]
So much "fail".

QD LaRue, with verifiable return to zero on/off capability. An American made, waranty protected, respected, and generous to our armed forces members....

-Vs-

Some no name import that you got off eBay.





Stay Classy.
Link Posted: 12/16/2011 9:42:45 AM EDT
Originally Posted By 1IV:
So much "fail".

QD LaRue, with verifiable return to zero on/off capability. An American made, waranty protected, respected, and generous to our armed forces members....

-Vs-

Some no name import that you got off eBay.





Stay Classy.






you fuckin fail




Made In America, Mamma Jamma.





Now, how will I ever figure out how to get liquids from a bottle?


Link Posted: 12/16/2011 10:04:32 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/16/2011 10:06:28 AM EDT by patchouli]





Freeeeeeeeedom Reaper


Coolest name EVER!


Link Posted: 12/16/2011 10:08:30 AM EDT
times are tough, i assume there's a price threshold for what you get? i only got bumper stickers.

years before it was dildo dust, hat, stickers and dildo opener.
Link Posted: 12/16/2011 10:10:01 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/16/2011 10:12:09 AM EDT by Alien]
Originally Posted By patchouli:
Originally Posted By Cole2534:
Patch, this thread is retarded.

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Thanks.


I guess all the "hey I DID get a free bottle opener with my 300$ scope mount" threads are cooler.





I got one with my $600 order for an Aimpoint T-1 + mount. I got a hat and dillo dust too!

Is that mount a LaRue clone? I've never had much want for a magnified optic so I don't know about his scope mounts.
Link Posted: 12/16/2011 10:13:15 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Alien:
Originally Posted By patchouli:
Originally Posted By Cole2534:
Patch, this thread is retarded.

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Thanks.


I guess all the "hey I DID get a free bottle opener with my 300$ scope mount" threads are cooler.





I got one with my $600 order for an Aimpoint T-1 + mount. I got a hat and dillo dust too!



I look forward to your pending thread showing your bottle opener posed in hi-larious poses. Those are the best.




Link Posted: 12/16/2011 10:27:28 AM EDT
I took my aimpoints and my 1-4x accupoint off many times for different reasons and put them back on and never had to rezero. I love how people think that their $80 mount with a cool name will beat a more expensive mount by a better company.
Link Posted: 12/16/2011 10:28:52 AM EDT
Originally Posted By lowonair:
I took my aimpoints and my 1-4x accupoint off many times for different reasons and put them back on and never had to rezero. I love how people think that their $80 mount with a cool name will beat a more expensive mount by a better company.





Excuse me while I go reap some freedom.

Link Posted: 12/16/2011 10:31:15 AM EDT
Originally Posted By patchouli:
Originally Posted By lowonair:
I took my aimpoints and my 1-4x accupoint off many times for different reasons and put them back on and never had to rezero. I love how people think that their $80 mount with a cool name will beat a more expensive mount by a better company.





Excuse me while I go reap some freedom.



Why not reap the benefits of quality?
Link Posted: 12/16/2011 10:57:36 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/16/2011 11:00:17 AM EDT by patchouli]
Here is a rough outline of the test I will do. Anybody see any mistakes or have any better ideas?

I know this is anecdotal, but will be fun.


Upper Test:
Note all weather/time data.
Start with clean/lubed gun
Note upper specs.
Note optics specs.
Note prices.
Note ammo specs.

________________________________________________________________________________
General Accuracy Test: (total rounds each rifle: 60)

55 grain fmj prvi partisan 2008:
-Shoot 10 rounds
-Swap rifles; shoot 10 rounds (different target to compare group size)

68 grain black hills otm:
-Shoot 10 rounds
-Swap rifles; shoot 10 rounds (different target to compare group size)

75 grain black hills otm:
-Shoot 10 rounds
-Swap rifles; shoot 10 rounds (different target to compare group size)
______________________________________________________________________________________
Box Test: Shooter Picks Ammo (total rounds each rifle: 5)
-Shoot 1 round, adjust scope 10 clicks up shoot 1 round, 10 clicks right shoot 1 round, 10 clicks down shoot 1 round, 10 clicks left shoot 1 round (5 rounds total).
-Swap rifles and repeat.
______________________________________________________________________________________
Scope Mount Test: Shooter Picks Ammo (total rounds each rifle: 10)
-Shoot 5 rounds.
-Remove scope mount from upper (scope stays in rings)
-Reattach scope mount to upper
-Shoot 5 rounds.
_________________________________________________________________________________________
Swap Scope Mounts: Shooter Picks Ammo (total rounds each rifle: 20)
-Shoot 10 rounds
-Swap scopes; shoot 10 rounds

(total rounds each rifle: 95)



____________________________________________________________________________________________
_______________________________________________________________________________________________
Supplies Needed:
-ammo (40 fmj, 100 68 grn, 100 75 grn)
-marker
-target and stickers
-calipers/ruler
-camera
-guns/mags
-scope tools
-improved rests (bean bags for front and rear)
-eyes/ears
-bottle openers











Link Posted: 12/16/2011 11:59:32 AM EDT
Originally Posted By lowonair:
Originally Posted By patchouli:
Originally Posted By lowonair:
I took my aimpoints and my 1-4x accupoint off many times for different reasons and put them back on and never had to rezero. I love how people think that their $80 mount with a cool name will beat a more expensive mount by a better company.





Excuse me while I go reap some freedom.




Why not reap the benefits of quality?





Don't get me wrong. It's quality.

If I were fighting with a rifle in battle, I would want and need that kind of quality or better. And I'd gladly pay it.



For 99.995% of us....it isn't necessary except to brag in pictures.
Every sport, every hobby has gear snobs. No biggee.
Link Posted: 12/16/2011 12:02:54 PM EDT
Originally Posted By patchouli:

Don't get me wrong. It's quality.

If I were fighting with a rifle in battle, I would want and need that kind of quality or better. And I'd gladly pay it.

For 99.995% of us....it isn't necessary except to brag in pictures.
Every sport, every hobby has gear snobs. No biggee.


If it turns out to be shit check out Armalite's. They are less than $100.
Link Posted: 12/16/2011 12:04:52 PM EDT
I dont see any LaRue products....Someone explain WTF the OP is talking about
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