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4/1/2020 6:58:51 AM
Posted: 1/9/2005 7:29:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/11/2005 10:05:49 AM EDT by enemy]
Should I stay in the course? I would have the oppertunity to write a paper at the end of this course as a grade. I just feel that I would be too antagonistic to him.
Link Posted: 1/9/2005 7:37:20 PM EDT
Do you mean he is teaching it or in it?
Link Posted: 1/9/2005 7:46:35 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Taxman:
Do you mean he is teaching it or in it?



+1

Makes all the difference

Link Posted: 1/9/2005 7:47:27 PM EDT
Yes, by all means stay in it.............and maybe you can educate him
Link Posted: 1/9/2005 7:47:27 PM EDT
tag
Link Posted: 1/9/2005 7:48:33 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 7:54:42 AM EDT
He is actually teaching the course.
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 7:57:21 AM EDT
How in the FUCK does a guy with that agenda get in the position to TEACH.

I smell a fire mission here, folks.   Someone needs to get LaPierre on the phone, pronto.
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 7:57:57 AM EDT

Originally Posted By enemy:
He is actually teaching the course.



oh, time for some fun, hope you brushed up on your debate skills

I stayed in an anthropology class just to debate with the asshat liberal french immigrant professor.  he was good at spouting rhetoric, but I was much better at debating and kicked his ass in front of the whole class a few times.

and I still got an A, that was a good time
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 7:59:55 AM EDT
I you decide to stay, I would imagine the hive-mind would be more than willing to help with assignments and such.

Link Posted: 1/10/2005 8:04:04 AM EDT
My debate skills are well honed. I've actually heard that there may be two other pro-gun students in the class and I personally know some on the fence students (who I have taken shooting). No need to call LaPiearr(?). I know the deputy general counsel at the NRA. I'll see if I can get some unbiased research materials from him.
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 8:04:30 AM EDT
exactly !
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 8:09:14 AM EDT
Maybe my paper will be an analysis of the constitutional/social contract aspects of private ownership of arms with regard to the Supreme Court's rulings on the availability of police protection.
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 8:10:28 AM EDT
Stay in the class, make him earn his money.
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 8:12:48 AM EDT

Originally Posted By enemy:
My debate skills are well honed. I've actually heard that there may be two other pro-gun students in the class and I personally know some on the fence students (who I have taken shooting). No need to call LaPiearr(?). I know the deputy general counsel at the NRA. I'll see if I can get some unbiased research materials from him.



By all means stay in the class and teach the guy a lesson.  Be calm, collected and ruthlessly logical.
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 8:12:50 AM EDT
I think that I will not tell anyone in the class that I am a NRA member. That way liberal students can't discount my opinions out of hand.
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 8:18:08 AM EDT
WTF school is this?  Thats like making the grand wizard of the klan proffesor of "Race Relations in Contemporary America"
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 8:21:44 AM EDT
Contact the NRA and get that pig fired.
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 8:25:41 AM EDT

Originally Posted By livefreeordieNH:

By all means stay in the class and teach the guy a lesson.  Be calm, collected and ruthlessly logical.



Yep.

I'd have copies and printouts of articles and statistics.  If he starts blabbing on about something, call him on it, and then cite your source.  Get things like the CDC and DOJ reports on the AWB, and the recent DOJ report about the 2nd Amendment being an individual right.

Head over to www.keepandbeararms.com

Be ruthlessly logical and cite your sources.  Make him dance.  
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 8:37:17 AM EDT
I go to the American University Law School. Very Liberal. I'll start priniting thing out from keep- and-bear-arms. Does anyone have a comprehensive list of these resources ans web-sites. I don't want to have to Westlaw every single issue of contention.  
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 8:48:23 PM EDT
Do you care about the grade, or do you care about gaining a better understanding of the law, and your enemy?

Make good arguements.  Be prepared to get screwed on the paper.
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 8:52:33 PM EDT
Guncite.com I think.
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 8:58:57 PM EDT
In my experience, a good way to get shitty grades is to disagree with a liberal professor's biases.  I'd get out.
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 9:04:15 PM EDT
stay in the class and save everything, if you get a crappy drade you didn't deserve, take it to the dean.  Brush up on gun law before you go in.  The Gunfacts PDF is an excellent tool.  There's a lot of us on this board who know federal law well enough to help you.
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 9:04:39 PM EDT

Originally Posted By imposter:
In my experience, a good way to get shitty grades is to disagree with a liberal professor's biases.  I'd get out.



+1
I've gotten my only C's by doing this
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 9:28:16 PM EDT
good place for debate facts..

www.gunfacts.info

fuck this guy over big time
Link Posted: 1/11/2005 10:05:06 AM EDT
Ok. I had my first class. Initial impressions, Barnes will try to be fair. I told him my reservations right from the start. He told me to bring in the people I know at the NRA so that we could have better class discussions. He said it would be great if Chris Cox or one of the General Counsels could talk during the class.

Before I told him anything about my self I asked him a few questions. First I asked him what their prospects looked during the next term. He said that they were awful (obvious). He also stated that the NRA, CCKABA, and GOA are the most powerful lobbies/ activist groups in the pro gun camp. This is important because he followed up with the critique that the NRA's claimed membership is always in doubt and that the actual numbers may be less than their claimed numbers. Everyone should be a member of the NRA; Period.

I know the Marines will hate to hear this but he was a former marine.

Enemy




Link Posted: 1/11/2005 10:11:01 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/11/2005 10:11:23 AM EDT by atrophis]

Originally Posted By enemy:
I know the Marines will hate to hear this but he was a former marine.



ooooohhh...

No suprise here. Even Americas best breed Americas worst.
Link Posted: 1/11/2005 11:40:16 AM EDT



I know the Marines will hate to hear this but he was a former marine.





 He used to be a marine and now he is a lying gun grabbing scumbag.  First to worst.
Link Posted: 1/11/2005 11:43:31 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 1/11/2005 11:50:02 AM EDT

Originally Posted By enemy:
Ok. I had my first class. Initial impressions, Barnes will try to be fair. I told him my reservations right from the start. He told me to bring in the people I know at the NRA so that we could have better class discussions. He said it would be great if Chris Cox or one of the General Counsels could talk during the class.

Before I told him anything about my self I asked him a few questions. First I asked him what their prospects looked during the next term. He said that they were awful (obvious). He also stated that the NRA, CCKABA, and GOA are the most powerful lobbies/ activist groups in the pro gun camp. This is important because he followed up with the critique that the NRA's claimed membership is always in doubt and that the actual numbers may be less than their claimed numbers. Everyone should be a member of the NRA; Period.

I know the Marines will hate to hear this but he was a former marine.

Enemy




We should get an Arfcom membership drive going.
Link Posted: 1/11/2005 11:58:21 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/11/2005 12:21:28 PM EDT by 95thFoot]

Originally Posted By livefreeordieNH:

Originally Posted By enemy:
My debate skills are well honed. I've actually heard that there may be two other pro-gun students in the class and I personally know some on the fence students (who I have taken shooting). No need to call LaPiearr(?). I know the deputy general counsel at the NRA. I'll see if I can get some unbiased research materials from him.



By all means stay in the class and teach the guy a lesson.  Be calm, collected and ruthlessly logical.



You won't teach him a thing. His son died at the hands of dirtbags with guns, so, instead of focussing on the deed, he focuses on the modality. Dead-end reasoning. Good luck.

ETA: whoops- my bad, it was Pete Shields, an ex-CIA guy, whose son died in a mugging. He founded HCI.
Link Posted: 1/11/2005 12:02:58 PM EDT
This guy has no business teaching that class. I don't care how he is sweet-talking you now.

Any ideas on how to get him removed from that position?
Link Posted: 1/11/2005 12:17:45 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/11/2005 12:19:00 PM EDT by 95thFoot]

Originally Posted By enemy:
Ok. I had my first class. Initial impressions, Barnes will try to be fair. I told him my reservations right from the start. He told me to bring in the people I know at the NRA so that we could have better class discussions. He said it would be great if Chris Cox or one of the General Counsels could talk during the class.



 

"As a former member of Congress, I know what it's like to have a public record," said Handgun Control President Michael Barnes. "Governor Bush is going to have a lot of explaining to do to defend his atrocious record on guns to the American people -- the majority of whom overwhelmingly support new common-sense gun control laws."www.commondreams.org/news2000/0504-03.htm

He's roping you in.......




Before I told him anything about my self I asked him a few questions.


Don't tell him you're pro-gun. You will flunk, or worse, have a low passing grade.


First I asked him what their prospects looked during the next term. He said that they were awful (obvious). He also stated that the NRA, CCKABA, and GOA are the most powerful lobbies/ activist groups in the pro gun camp. This is important because he followed up with the critique that the NRA's claimed membership is always in doubt and that the actual numbers may be less than their claimed numbers. Everyone should be a member of the NRA; Period.



Unlike HCI/Brady, the NRA has to tell the truth, because they publish magazines for their members, and the circulation #s have to be revealed to the public. The NRA always says that it has members who pay dues, and many others who do not, much like ARFCOM and its membership program....


I know the Marines will hate to hear this but he was a former marine.


So was the scumbag Marine that deserted in Iraq, ended up in Beirut and is now AWOL in Canada.





Link Posted: 1/11/2005 1:07:03 PM EDT
I'm ok with him knowing my position. He would have figured it out anyway within the first day or two of debate. What I don't want is to have the rest of class pre judge any of my arguments. Now that I think about it, teh first reading assignment was kind of biased. I'll hammer every inconsistancy in the next class.  
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